ChristoBam:
Maybe it's because we once almost signed Grealish. Maybe it's because we got our own flop around the same time. Maybe because it's a form of coping mechanism for the flop we're stuck with.

But for whatever reason so many United fans are so excited with the idea that Grealish's been a flop and will hold on to that thought till death.

And it should be pretty easy. Just like it was with Hazard then before he had the season he had crazy stats(not comparing them). It's easy to downplay the achievements of the ones not dropping crazy stats.

so has he justified his fee in your opinion?

ChristoBam:


I'm not able to post pictures from sites. But Goal has Grealish rated as number 2. Onevone has him rated as number 3. Those are the 2 I even checked.

You can try to shame the sources(I don't rate goal.com either). Doesn't change the fact that he was in the conversation for so many people, me included.

So many like Bernado entered the conversation because of the last 3 games of the UCL. I actually based my ratings from what I watched all season.

I don't even have time for whether he flop last season. You watch man city last season and you left gudogan of all people out of top 3 players in man city last season. Gudogan!!!. Abeg no talk this for outsideoooo....

Nobody predicated Arsenal who finished 5th the upper season to challenge for the title and we saw how close they went last season. I don't know why any of you will think we are far away from a title challenge.

Englishisamust:


I don't even have time for whether he flop last season. You watch man city last season and you left gudogan of all people out of top 3 players in man city last season. Gudogan!!!. Abeg no talk this for outsideoooo....

Few goals towards the end of the season and all of a sudden Gundogan was top 3 lol. This your opinion shows how stats have spoilt football. Take note am not saying grealish was top 3.

Bombblacks:

What makes you believe we are a long way from a title winning squad? A good transfer window and we should be aiming for top 2 this season and deep runs in the Cups.

First off, we finished second under Ole a couple of seasons back and I asked, did we finish second because we are the second best team in the league or is it because others top teams had a disastrous season altogether? I pose the same question again, if Chelsea and Liverpool hit top gear, can we keep pace?

Talking about the transfer window, does it remotely look like we will fare any better? We still have bums like Maguire, Sancho, Martial in our team yet you want me to dream. No bro, I'm awake.

Bombblacks:

Few goals towards the end of the season and all of a sudden Gundogan was top 3 lol. This your opinion shows how stats have spoilt football. Take note am not say grealish was top 3.

U dey smoke Igbo!!! .

Grealish was very important for that City side last season. He didn't lose the ball too often unless fouled. He may not have exciting goal returns but he was a very important play in that treble winning side. The worst part is that he can only get better unless he suffers some serious injury. Even without the ball, he was always closing down spaces and tracking back to intercept/defend.

Bombblacks:
Nobody predicated Arsenal who finished 5th the upper season to challenge for the title and we saw how close they went last season. I don't know why any of you will think we are far away from a title challenge.

You don't even have a keeper

eph12:
Grealish was very important for that City side last season. He didn't lose the ball too often unless fouled. He may not have exciting goal returns but he was a very important play in that treble winning side. The worst part is that he can only get better unless he suffers some serious injury. Even without the ball, he was always closing down spaces and tracking back to intercept/defend.

Not like im saying grealish did not try last season. But saying grealish perform well than gudogan last season is not acceptable!!

patrickmuf:
I reckon even for 60m they'll sell...No club has gone in with a serious bid yet.

because he's worth no where near the club's valuation.

ChristineC:
because he's worth no where near the club's valuation.

He will be sold regardless and for the cheap.

patrickmuf:
Kane can come in and score 25-30 goals and it wouldn't make any difference because the squad is a long way off a title winning squad however, with Muani and Hojlund we are sorted in attack for a good number of years enough time for our slow-paced board to fix all the gaping holes in our team.

I find this difficult to swallow.

It's like saying we will still be battling for top 4 had Martial scored 25-30 goals last season.

Impossicant.

ChristineC:
so has he justified his fee in your opinion?

What do you mean by justify his fee?

I wonder why you guys want to put the tag of flop on Grealish. We all know Pep to take no nonsense when it comes to performance. The guy was involved in their games last season.

Pep has his own system. And the guy fits in.
Pep wey dey use fullbacks play midfield.

For those that love stats, Onana had a 72% save percentage in the league last season. So where's all the 'he's an average shot stopper' coming from.
Just because a GK is a beast at playing out from the back doesn't mean he's average at other aspects.

Englishisamust:


Not like im saying grealish did not try last season. But saying grealish perform well than gudogan last season is not acceptable!!

I understand why a United fan would say this.(PTSD from that FA cup final).

Comparing Grealish with Sancho is what even annoyed me.

Sancho wey dey rehab when people dey play ball. Someone that Garnacho even has more level than in this team.

Please let's be guided.

Weghourst even get more impact for this team pass flopcho

patrickmuf:
Kane can come in and score 25-30 goals and it wouldn't make any difference because the squad is a long way off a title winning squad however, with Muani and Hojlund we are sorted in attack for a good number of years enough time for our slow-paced board to fix all the gaping holes in our team.

I don't even accept paying 100m for someone we can realistically get for free next summer. The only reason I'll see sense in this is if Qatar actually becomes successful with the bid this summer. Then all that money won't mean much.

Englishisamust:


Not like im saying grealish did not try last season. But saying grealish perform well than gudogan last season is not acceptable!!

I agree with you

You rate a player based on what his role was and how he executed it. It is futile using your own basis for the assessment as it will not make sense.

Similar to the way Keepers and Defenders are not rated based on their number of assists or goals scored as important as those are. They are rated on the specific role meted to them by the manager. If Ederson has a 95% save rate but did not help with the build up of play, you can bet your bottom dollar that Pep will seek a replacement because Pep expects those of his keepers sometimes maybe even more than making saves.

To that end, Grealish was actually more important to City's success last season than both Gundogan and Bernardo Silva put together. I'll even say Pep trusted him much more than KDB but that is talk for another day. His role was not to rack up assists and goals - City scored a ton of them the season prior. He was to provide vent and control for a team that was transitioning into a different playing style than previous seasons. One in which, City could not afford to be overly chaotic in attack like Pep had dictated in the past. He also helped alot in tracking back and making life difficult for opposing wingers and fullbacks alike, something Mahrez could never do regardless of his goal or assists tally.

How did Grealish fair compared to his RnRs? He scored a solid A and would have been A+ if he had chipped in more goals or assists. That is about it. Unlike some other players who overdribble because they have no where to go or due to the fact that they never see the whole field at play, Grealish needed to dribble in and out of channels as a pressure relief system for City. You either fouled him or he went past you and that was instrumental to how City played.

Some people may need to rewatch Bayern Munich and Real Madrid against City to understand the impact Jack made. In the 2nd leg of the Bayern tie in particular, Pep specifically asked him to dribble City out of Bayern's press and he never missed a beat. As soon as the ball was given to him we knew Bayern would either foul or Grealish would have his way. Trust me, you may never appreciate his role until you are supporting the team he is doing it for.

I hate to quote the man but Mourinho put it best when he said football has been ruined by people who judge every single player on stats. Some aspects of the game are intangible. End of.

eph12:
Grealish was very important for that City side last season. He didn't lose the ball too often unless fouled. He may not have exciting goal returns but he was a very important play in that treble winning side. The worst part is that he can only get better unless he suffers some serious injury. Even without the ball, he was always closing down spaces and tracking back to intercept/defend.

In other words, Jesse Lingard pro max

afrodoc:


The way teams now quote 80m and 100m for strikers with 10-15 league goals these days actually amazes me.

First season of 15 goals you start hearing 90m while guys here dey price a proven scorer Harry Kane like tomato

patrickmuf:
I reckon even for 60m they'll sell...No club has gone in with a serious bid yet.

It's the same Frankfurt that rinsed Madrid for Luka Jovic

patrickmuf:
Kane can come in and score 25-30 goals and it wouldn't make any difference because the squad is a long way off a title winning squad however, with Muani and Hojlund we are sorted in attack for a good number of years enough time for our slow-paced board to fix all the gaping holes in our team.

This time last season you probably will say Arsenal squad is a long way off top 4 never mind winning the league yet they topped the table and mounted a decent challenge

Android22:
You rate a player based on what his role was and how he executed it. It is futile using your own basis for the assessment as it will not make sense.

Similar to the way Keepers and Defenders are not rated based on their number of assists or goals scored as important as those are. They are rated on the specific role meted to them by the manager. If Ederson has a 95% save rate but did not help with the build up of play, you can bet your bottom dollar that Pep will seek a replacement because Pep expects those of his keepers sometimes maybe even more than making saves.

To that end, Grealish was actually more important to City's success last season than both Gundogan and Bernardo Silva put together. I'll even say Pep trusted him much more than KDB but that is talk for another day. His role was not to rack up assists and goals - City scored a ton of them the season prior. He was to provide vent and control for a team that was transitioning into a different playing style than previous seasons. One in which, City could not afford to be overly chaotic in attack like Pep had dictated in the past. He also helped alot in tracking back and making life difficult for opposing wingers and fullbacks alike, something Mahrez could never do regardless of his goal or assists tally.

How did Grealish fair compared to his RnRs? He scored a solid A and would have been A+ if he had chipped in more goals or assists. That is about it. Unlike some other players who overdribble because they have no where to go or due to the fact that they never see the whole field at play, Grealish needed to dribble in and out of channels as a pressure relief system for City. You either fouled him or he went past you and that was instrumental to how City played.

Some people may need to rewatch Bayern Munich and Real Madrid against City to understand the impact Jack made. In the 2nd leg of the Bayern tie in particular, Pep specifically asked him to dribble City out of Bayern's press and he never missed a beat. As soon as the ball was given to him we knew Bayern would either foul or Grealish would have his way. Trust me, you may never appreciate his role until you are supporting the team he is doing it for.

I hate to quote the man but Mourinho put it best when he said football has been ruined by people who judge every single player on stats. Some aspects of the game are intangible. End of.

A+

Double promotion for you.

odizeey:

What do you mean by justify his fee?

I wonder why you guys want to put the tag of flop on Grealish. We all know Pep to take no nonsense when it comes to performance. The guy was involved in their games last season.

Pep has his own system. And the guy fits in.
Pep wey dey use fullbacks play midfield.

I think this is a very subtle way of taking a holistic view, which is not a bad thing. Grealish is no flop, he was nothing special either.

same can be said of Jordan Henderson or Roberto Firminho under Klopp - good fit and all in the SYSTEM. the team's collective success meant he had some worth because he was actively involved for specific duty. every team needs this to function. still will not worth 100m in anybody's books. when you get to the fulcrum of that success, you beam flashlights at Salah, Mane, VVD, Alison Becker, TAA, Andrew Robertson; before glancing at the periphery.

Henderson and Firminho are no flops. when you look at the system in unitary mode, you appreciate their roles; yet they are no difference makers or elites of the game.

Android22:
You rate a player based on what his role was and how he executed it. It is futile using your own basis for the assessment as it will not make sense.

Similar to the way Keepers and Defenders are not rated based on their number of assists or goals scored as important as those are. They are rated on the specific role meted to them by the manager. If Ederson has a 95% save rate but did not help with the build up of play, you can bet your bottom dollar that Pep will seek a replacement because Pep expects those of his keepers sometimes maybe even more than making saves.

To that end, Grealish was actually more important to City's success last season than both Gundogan and Bernardo Silva put together. I'll even say Pep trusted him much more than KDB but that is talk for another day. His role was not to rack up assists and goals - City scored a ton of them the season prior. He was to provide vent and control for a team that was transitioning into a different playing style than previous seasons. One in which, City could not afford to be overly chaotic in attack like Pep had dictated in the past. He also helped alot in tracking back and making life difficult for opposing wingers and fullbacks alike, something Mahrez could never do regardless of his goal or assists tally.

How did Grealish fair compared to his RnRs? He scored a solid A and would have been A+ if he had chipped in more goals or assists. That is about it. Unlike some other players who overdribble because they have no where to go or due to the fact that they never see the whole field at play, Grealish needed to dribble in and out of channels as a pressure relief system for City. You either fouled him or he went past you and that was instrumental to how City played.

Some people may need to rewatch Bayern Munich and Real Madrid against City to understand the impact Jack made. In the 2nd leg of the Bayern tie in particular, Pep specifically asked him to dribble City out of Bayern's press and he never missed a beat. As soon as the ball was given to him we knew Bayern would either foul or Grealish would have his way. Trust me, you may never appreciate his role until you are supporting the team he is doing it for.

I hate to quote the man but Mourinho put it best when he said football has been ruined by people who judge every single player on stats. Some aspects of the game are intangible. End of.

You sabi book.

raumdeuter:


This time last season you probably will say Arsenal squad is a long way off top 4 never mind winning the league yet they topped the table and mounted a decent challenge

Thing is Arteta was already at an advanced stage of building a working system and a definite style of play at Arsenal. It was already obvious from the previous season before they imploded and lost out on top 4 in the final stretch of games.

We never even sabi wetin we wan play next season. Some believe it's transitional football. Some like me still hope it's possession based football. Whatever style of play we utilize next season, we'll be just above average at it. Thats the truth.

ChristineC:
I think this is a very subtle way of taking a holistic view, which is not a bad thing. Grealish is no flop, he was nothing special either.

same can be said of Jordan Henderson or Roberto Firminho under Klopp - good fit and all in the SYSTEM. the team's collective success meant he had some worth because he was actively involved for specific duty. every team needs this to function. still will not worth 100m in anybody's books. when you get to the fulcrum of that success, you beam flashlights at Salah, Mane, VVD, Alison Becker, TAA, Andrew Robertson; before glancing at the periphery.

Henderson and Firminho are no flops. when you look at the system in unitary mode, you appreciate their roles; yet they are no difference makers or elites of the game.

Grealish was pivotal to City winning the treble. Just like a lot of other City players as well. He played a very important role.

That alone makes him worth the 100m. They fvcking won the treble lmao. Who are y'all kidding?

Leyqute:


In other words, Jesse Lingard pro max

Lol which of the Jesse lingard?

odizeey:
Comparing Grealish with Sancho is what even annoyed me.

Sancho wey dey rehab when people dey play ball. Someone that Garnacho even has more level than in this team.

Please let's be guided.

Ley.qute sabi drop weird takes no be today 😁, him/they can write crazy stuffs to defend their fav players or Manager.

raumdeuter:


It's the same Frankfurt that rinsed Madrid for Luka Jovic

Boy. I will never forget this deal. Madrid signed the guy before transfer window open proper but they took a big L in the end.