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Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Masterviolence(m): 11:31am On Jul 10, 2023 |
Minjim:To think this war began last year sheer ignorance. 3 Likes |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Karnice600: 11:48am On Jul 10, 2023 |
Myer: Can you imagine how much US is making from this Russia-Ukraine war? Lolz. Please tell me how they're making the money? Oh, you think Ukraine buy weapons from the US? What's the meaning of 'aid' in your dictionary? Please check and revert. When I throw jabs at some of you anti- America fans here who claim pan Africans , claim to know their history and try hard to sound woke or smart , its because you lack substance for educative or beneficial discussions. Please look up the meaning of 'aid' in your dictionary and get back to me. Shalom. |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Karnice600: 12:20pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
Onucs:Hushhh.. You're too loud Sir and you know nothing about what you're saying. I mean absolutely nothing. US is suppressive on her neighbours na e Mexicans influx into US as if na heaven. What do you think made Trump sarcastically talk about building a wall between them? Smh. I no know how e come reach this level sha. How una go just open mouth waah dey talk wetin una no even understand. You, Pansophist, lhordspy, seuny4life, etc.. Una suppose follow the ongoing trend, try set new records on GWR for stupidity. |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by DaTruths: 12:23pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
[quote author=Masterviolence post=124330349][/quote] No country can invade Russia with Artillery, Adolf Hitler couldn't. |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by juman(m): 1:02pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
The foolish ukrainian people MUST stop listening to america and nato. They are their biggest enemies. |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by pansophist(m): 1:11pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
God1000: One of the requirements every potential member must meet before joining NATO is that it must not be in territorial dispute with any other country. Given this reality, Ukraine can never join Nato. So unless Ukraine defeats the Russians and kicks them out of Crimea, Kherson, Donetsk, Bakhmut, and other occupied territories amounting to over 145,000km Sq, (the size of Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg x2), I don't see any hope for Ukraine joining Nato. And even if Ukraine successfully reclaimed back all its territories, the fact that Russia still considers such territories theirs, Ukraine will still not join. Don't take my word for it, look at what happened to Georgia. Before the Ukrainian War, Georgia wanted to join Nato and Russia helped Abkhazia and Ossetia get independence and recognized them as a country. These countries are occupied by the Russian army as a peacekeeping force. That act destroyed Georgia's qualification to join Nato unless Georgia recognize them as independent countries, or go fight them, and in this case, they will be fighting the Russians. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by pansophist(m): 1:33pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
Masterviolence: Putin is not lenient, what Putin (and Xi) are doing is killing Western imperialism slowly. Within a space of one year, look at what has happened to the US empire. 1. Global de-dollarisation has been kick-started. The more the war prolongs, the West will act completely irrationally and break its own rule (eg supplying cluster bombs to Ukraine), deplete its weapon reserves (which already happened), and waste money on a war that further destroys its empire. 2. Chinese needed American hands tied for a long time, so they can focus on destroying Western hegemony in Asia. You already see it with the China-Saudi romance, the peace brokered between Iran and Saudi, the Central Asia Summit that took place in Xian, and all the countries that have started trading in their own currencies, and it will get worse as the war prolongs. 3. The US is officially broke now. Jellen just landed in China to beg the Chinese to buy US bonds. A few weeks ago it was Blinken that traveled to China, and a few weeks before that it was Lloyd Austin begging China to open military communication Channels. 4. China has started flexing its diplomatic muscle, and the world has recognized it as a fair power. They are in the process of establishing peace between Israel and Palestine, just like they did with Saudi and Iran. 5. BRICS have been strengthened, and seen by the global south as a safe bloc to join, away from Western imperialism. Iran just officially became a member of SCO. So, bros, war is not just winning on the battlefield. Ukraine was just a symptom. The real war this world faces is Western imperialism, and that is what has to be destroyed. The Chinese are working. Give them time. The world has changed for good. You see that Chinese political slogan of ¨common prosperity¨, it will reach all of us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_prosperity 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by royalfly(m): 1:48pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
maasoap: Please how fid he provoke Russia? I hope the provocation you talking about is not the one mentioned in your comment. A sovereign nation can do what ever it likes, as long as it's not in contrast with any international laws. When Russia did not like Ukraines politics all they would have done is play a good regional politic and not this outright bully, the world has gone past this type of diplomatic tool being used by Russia. |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 5:17pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
pansophist:What of Nigerian case nko? Do you really think her situation will get better if she is eventually freed from the iron grip of Imperialism? |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by pansophist(m): 5:40pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
VeeVeeMyLuv: Nigeria and most underdeveloped countries have been defeated by imperialism, and are unable to free themselves unless the international order changes. Presently, the world is under the "international rule base order" Imposed by the West on all. This order will never see countries in the global South develop, and even the develop ones paid with the loss of their sovereignty. For Nigeria and the global South to escape the grip of imperialism, a new global order has to emerge, and that's what China and Russia are working hard to create. Smaller countries are powerless in this game of global politics, they can only align to a bloc, not create one for themselves. Any country that doesn't have nuclear weapons have no choice but to fall under western imperialism. Nuclear weapon is your only guarantee to sovereignty. If you notice, the West have problems with all countries that are truly independent. And if you also notice, all these countries have nuclear weapons. So North Korea, China, Russia and India to some extent. Nigeria fate has been sealed already, the country is too powerless to do anything. If you know how many CIA operatives are scattered inside Nigeria, or the US airbase 201 in Agadez, Niger, that overseas everything that happens in the region, to counter any attempts that will undermine their hegemony. Make I stop here. The more you know about the sad situation of the black race, the more you'll understand that there is a kind of sadness that tears cannot reveal. And in such sadness, you can't cry because crying makes it worse. 16 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Ebony2King: 7:30pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
Masterviolence: Shut up and stop talking trash my fren! When were u born? Who told u Russia can win a conventional war? How many conventional wars has Russia won without use of WMDs?? U think a conventional war is just about ammunition? There’s logistics, man power, sea power of which the US has the highest number of aircraft carrier, there’s also finance which means the economy has to be so good to maintain the war for a very long time The only way Russia keeps maintaining her dominance is nuclear threats and that’s because they know they can’t win a conventional war. Even China without any war experience will drill them in a conventional warfare? |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Ebony2King: 7:36pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
Masterviolence: You’re really a whack analyst. Your Pro-Putin mindset has made u not to think rationally Who told u Russia is Ukraine’s older brother? For Pete’s sake Ukraine is older than Russia and then latter originated from the former Gosh! Where do all these cut and join analysts get their facts? |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by seguno2: 8:12pm On Jul 10, 2023 |
VeeVeeMyLuv: How did the Yoruba vassal kingdoms eventually free themselves from the iron grip of Alaafin’s imperialism |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Gerrard59(m): 2:50am On Jul 11, 2023 |
pansophist: You have done a good job in teaching/informing folks about Western hegemony on Nairaland. Well done. That said, what do you think about the proposal? Why China, why not India Or Japan? What are the implications should China buy US bonds? What happens if China refuses to buy them? Any similarity with the Plaza Accord that decimated Japan's economy? |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Abascoh: 7:41am On Jul 11, 2023 |
Omicron007:Honestly, any time I see his posts about democrats or the US, it's always looking like someone who has been seriously brainwashed by CNN and other liberal media. |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Masterviolence(m): 9:20am On Jul 11, 2023 |
Ebony2King:I don't have time to lecture you on anything, i thank God that the rus didn't suffer millions of losses in WW2 without matching into Berlin. The last time i checked, Russia has fought many wars and has never used WMD's on any nation. All this emotionally dysregulated people. The joke is on you. 2 Likes |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Masterviolence(m): 9:24am On Jul 11, 2023 |
Gerrard59:It was because of China that made the u.s and the world at large recover from the 2008 financial crisis. Now the u.s economy is about to hit a stumbling block so they need a bailout for the Chinese just like in 2008, i bet this time it'll not come. |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Masterviolence(m): 9:28am On Jul 11, 2023 |
pansophist:pansophist i understood the context you were driving at, i have said similar things like this several times, I'm only responding to those low level thinkers in a method that expresses a sense of reality if event unfolds. |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by pansophist(m): 9:39am On Jul 11, 2023 |
Gerrard59: With the plaza accord, the US was in the driver's seat. With the bonds issue, the Chinese are in the driver's seat. It's not the same thing. Buying US bonds in layman's terms is like your meat seller begging you to buy meat that you don't need. Plaza Accord was a laser focus economic policy imposed on the Japanese that destroyed their economy, leading to what is known as the lost decade. China will not buy US bonds this time. In Chinese views, the US cannot be trusted. No matter the agreement China has with these leaders in Beijing, they will revert back to their normal hate when they arrive in the US. Also, why should China give its enemies that are bent on killing her the finances to do so? I mean if you are going to kill me, then you better work hard for my death. I won't give you the bullet you will shoot me with. May I bring to your attention that in the 2008 financial crisis, China helped the US out of the crisis. When going to beg China then, just like now, the US offer some concessions and pledge not to poke China and harm its interests. After the US was bailed out by China, what did the US do? They ganged up with Asia in the TPP agreement to disenfranchise China from the Asian market. That was under Obama. Then Trump came in and launched a series of trade wars, tech wars, economic wars, and 24/7 media slandering. If you are China, what would you do? keep giving the US bullet to shoot you with? Like manipulators, the US has no strength of its own to defeat China. It can only defeat China if China plays its own game. China should just ignore the US and let them do their worse. So if China does not buy US bonds, the implication would be, as usual, constant media bashing, amplifying the China threat to the world, especially East Asian countries, and seeking to create a bloc of military confrontation. But the key issue here is this. Buying US bonds won't prevent this, it will only postpone it, give the dragon more blood to be stronger, and become more ferocious. All in all, I can always trust the Chinese to make a good decisions. They are master strategists, and China is led by competent leaders, not colored flag-waving mofos that are so hegemonic, to the point of stupidity. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Bbbwings: 9:43am On Jul 11, 2023 |
pansophist:Guy you sabi how he dey go. Most people are not aware of Chinas role in tempering the effect of the 2008 financial crises https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45493147 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-investment-idUSTRE54I2H620090519 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-06-20/china-backs-obama-with-u-s-treasury-securities-rising-3-to-900-billion |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Otobong3374(m): 9:53am On Jul 11, 2023 |
thesicilian:African Maggot With Stupid Reasoning. |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by thesicilian: 10:41am On Jul 11, 2023 |
Otobong3374: 1 Like
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Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by frog12: 1:56pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
only a foolish person will believe anything this man says. these US presidents are first-class LIARS !! |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Ebony2King: 2:56pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
Masterviolence: What wars did Russia fight conventionally and won? Don’t even mention Afghanistan because they left with terrible losses The joke is more on u because u aren’t aware that wars are kept going by a powerful economy and consistent sea power 😂 |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Stoplying: 3:11pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
Ebony2King:Ottoman Sweden (carving out Finland) French empire (Napoleon) Germany WW2 Just to name a few |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Kingsnairaland(m): 3:42pm On Jul 11, 2023 |
Watch USA president Biden Farting In Public And Sniffing A Little Girls body https://youtube.com/shorts/I7l32yQYZx4 |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Otobong3374(m): 6:10pm On Jul 16, 2023 |
[quote author=thesicilian post=124350404][/quote] Mad man |
Re: Ukraine's Bid To Join NATO Is Premature - Joe Biden by Gaskiya77: 10:18am On Aug 21, 2023 |
Why should Russia attack a sovereign nation, Ukraine without provocation? President Biden did not say Ukraine will not join NATO it is just that it is not mature for now. The annoying thing about this the war is that Russia army is bombing civilian residential homes and cities which is totally wrong. Those who think Zelensky is a coward for fighting a war of injustice against an aggressor should know that a leader must not be taken for granted by any order leader. NATO is a united umbrella of peace on planet Earth more so than a sovereign single nation. Russia is more secure with NATO than anything. This is just Putin war born out of hate and envy on Western countries. |
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