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Samantha124:
So far there's no law that stipulates that spreading HIV is a criminal offence, I've never heard of someone being arrested for it.

Illegal abortion is the worst thing that could happen to a person because most of them don't turn out to be successful and as a result, the woman will end up with a damaged womb.

I've only seen stories here on nairaland of girls doing multiple abortions for their boyfriends, not because of rape.

No law would grant her any legal adoption and surrogacy can be expensive, not everyone can afford it, but ARVs are free of charge.

The truth hurts, so I understand what you mean... You'd do anything to defend your country even though you know it's the truth.

So in your warped myopic mind people that do abortions doesn't turn out to be successful.

And who told u, managing HIV is free, you must be joking . You're definitely not as educated on the disease as you think you are. Do u know how much viral load is test cost? This test monitors the rate of the load of the virus and you CD4 count test and all. So in your country, what they tell u is that if u have HIV, you can be taking ARV only, no wonder it keeps spreading .
Does it even make sense to you that you are taking drugs to treat something and you are not monitoring the thing to see if it is working fine or not?. The test is f*cking expensive, what about other drugs you will take combined with ARV?
Surrogacy is just a one time thing and that is all, but HIV you keep spending money to monitor it for the rest of your lives. do not also forget you might be applying for a particular kind of jobs and once you run a test that shows you are positive, you might be unfit for the job, isn't that a setback?, but it is absurd for a company to ask you for womb check when taking up a job.

Also please tell me when last someone was arrested for consensual abortion. Also abortion you are talking about here is in it's worst case, for it to have damaged the womb, once or twice abortion doesn't mean you cannot conceive again. If we are to talk about HIV in it's worst case is not only womb damage but the entire body damage which is AIDS. So you want to tell someone with AIDS is better than someone with womb damage or what are you saying Miss Lady? Unless you want to cap.

I am not defending but telling you the facts. Talk of abortion in it's worst case scenario it is better and less than HIV in its worst case scenario. it is a fact.

You keep forgetting to add the word illegal in your statement because I'm talking about illegal abortions, which are considered as murder in your country.

Doing a viral load and cd4 count tests here are free of charge in all public clinics and hospitals... This is not Nigeria where you have to pay for almost everything.

bercarray:
So in your warped myopic mind people that do abortions doesn't turn out to be successful.

And who told u, managing HIV is free, you must be joking . You're definitely not as educated on the disease as you think you are. Do u know how much viral load is test cost? This test monitors the rate of the load of the virus and you CD4 count test and all. So in your country, what they tell u is that if u have HIV, you can be taking ARV only, no wonder it keeps spreading .
Does it even make sense to you that you are taking drugs to treat something and you are not monitoring the thing to see if it is working fine or not?. The test is f*cking expensive, what about other drugs you will take combined with ARV?
Surrogacy is just a one time thing and that is all, but HIV you keep spending money to monitor it for the rest of your lives. do not also forget you might be applying for a particular kind of jobs and once you run a test that shows you are positive, you might be unfit for the job, isn't that a setback?, but it is absurd for a company to ask you for womb check when taking up a job.

Also please tell me when last someone was arrested for consensual abortion. Also abortion you are talking about here is in it's worst case, for it to have damaged the womb, once or twice abortion doesn't mean you cannot conceive again. If we are to talk about HIV in it's worst case is not only womb damage but the entire body damage which is AIDS. So you want to tell someone with AIDS is better than someone with womb damage or what are you saying Miss Lady? Unless you want to cap.

I am not defending but telling you the facts. Talk of abortion in it's worst case scenario it is better and less than HIV in its worst case scenario. it is a fact.

EDOSBROWN:
Na we help u give am belle, why u come dey inform us, when u dey do steady straffing, u no inform us ,u come dey disturb us for here, abeg go carry your cross....

Na Fuel matter I dey reason now...

nobody forced u to comment brother...

I make sure I don't release inside her buh as God may have it, we found out she was pregnant and I wanted to keep the bby

As God may have what?? Your fornication or your shared murder of an innocent soul?? You people are funny. You weren't calling God when you were practicing your bedroom skills, but you are now involving God in the natural result of actions.

Maybe you should take time to read what God has said about people like you

shege45:
swear that you have never don anything illegal in your life before. Remember say if you do expo for waec, it’s illegal oooo

Do South Africans enroll for WAEC?

Just 22 and 18 you guys were having sex like dogs..suffer your suffer alone

Whether it's consensual or not, it's still illegal in your country because it's regarded as murder, get it into your thick skull... ... You can't keep comparing something that's not illegal to something that's illegal, even in your country HIV is not illegal.

The problem with you is that you're judging everything with your wayward Nigerian mentality... People here don't get discriminated because of their HIV statuses when applying for jobs, that kind of a thing would only suit your country Nigeria whereby you guys still like stigmatizing people for having certain conditions.

What about those unfortunate young women who also later die from complications caused by those illegal abortions

bercarray:
So in your warped myopic mind people that do abortions doesn't turn out to be successful.

And who told u, managing HIV is free, you must be joking . You're definitely not as educated on the disease as you think you are. Do u know how much viral load is test cost? This test monitors the rate of the load of the virus and you CD4 count test and all. So in your country, what they tell u is that if u have HIV, you can be taking ARV only, no wonder it keeps spreading .
Does it even make sense to you that you are taking drugs to treat something and you are not monitoring the thing to see if it is working fine or not?. The test is f*cking expensive, what about other drugs you will take combined with ARV?
Surrogacy is just a one time thing and that is all, but HIV you keep spending money to monitor it for the rest of your lives. do not also forget you might be applying for a particular kind of jobs and once you run a test that shows you are positive, you might be unfit for the job, isn't that a setback?, but it is absurd for a company to ask you for womb check when taking up a job.

Also please tell me when last someone was arrested for consensual abortion. Also abortion you are talking about here is in it's worst case, for it to have damaged the womb, once or twice abortion doesn't mean you cannot conceive again. If we are to talk about HIV in it's worst case is not only womb damage but the entire body damage which is AIDS. So you want to tell someone with AIDS is better than someone with womb damage or what are you saying Miss Lady? Unless you want to cap.

I am not defending but telling you the facts. Talk of abortion in it's worst case scenario it is better and less than HIV in its worst case scenario. it is a fact.

Agozskey:
Hi guys, I know u guys will banter me... I accept any form of insult tnx...
My girlfriend and I have been together for a year now and the relationship has been great, so we usually have unprotected sex buh I make sure I don't release inside her buh as God may have it, we found out she was pregnant and I wanted to keep the bby buh she didn't want to keep the pregnancy, so we decided to abort it, which we did with the help of one of our friends (girl). The first week wasn't okay, because she was experiencing pains everyday, due to the abortion, the second week seemed perfect no issues, she wasn't feeling anything at all.
This week now all of a sudden she's exhibiting symptoms again... And she has not seen her period, meanwhile we've not had sex since... I don't understand again, I'm not really ready financially yet, buh I'm a bit okay buh the problem is her family, She's just 19 and I'm 22, pls any advice... Thank you

U are 22 and already having having unprotected sex. Do u hv the financial ability to chest the outcome? Did u guys do necessary test to check compatibility? Wat if ur Rh factor is + and hers - do u knw u hv breached a compatibility settings in her life. If she eventually marries one that his Rh is + the tendency of her having miscarriages is there. Nawa for una o

Samantha124:
Whether it's consensual or not, it's still illegal in your country because it's regarded as murder, get it into your thick skull... ... You can't keep comparing something that's not illegal to something that's illegal, even in your country HIV is not illegal.

The problem with you is that you're judging everything with your wayward Nigerian mentality... People here don't get discriminated because of their HIV statuses when applying for jobs, that kind of a thing would only suit your country Nigeria whereby you guys still like stigmatizing people for having certain conditions.

What about those unfortunate young women who also later die from complications caused by those illegal abortions

You will be big liar if you come here to tell me spreading of HIV intentionally amongst you guys is legal as well, because if i have HIV and i go ahead to allow innocent people to have sex with me or in the case of a guy; i go into the street to start having sex with innocent girls. What can we likened that to? Is it not synonymous to a criminal case? Or you want to tell me you guys give trophy to such people in your country?

If you are talking about illegal abortion, i am talking about intentional spreading of HIV too. Mind you if we are to do the ratio of people dying from abortion to people surviving it, the ratio is like 2:20. Can the same thing be said about HIV? 10 out 20 people that has it eventually dies of it.

Spreading of HIV intentionally like you guys do in my country is 100% illegal and in your country you can declare HIV spreading spree one day and see if you will get award for it or be detained.

Na me send u ! ! !

Agozskey:
Hi guys, I know u guys will banter me... I accept any form of insult tnx...
My girlfriend and I have been together for a year now and the relationship has been great, so we usually have unprotected sex buh I make sure I don't release inside her buh as God may have it, we found out she was pregnant and I wanted to keep the bby buh she didn't want to keep the pregnancy, so we decided to abort it, which we did with the help of one of our friends (girl). The first week wasn't okay, because she was experiencing pains everyday, due to the abortion, the second week seemed perfect no issues, she wasn't feeling anything at all.
This week now all of a sudden she's exhibiting symptoms again... And she has not seen her period, meanwhile we've not had sex since... I don't understand again, I'm not really ready financially yet, buh I'm a bit okay buh the problem is her family, She's just 19 and I'm 22, pls any advice... Thank you

Samantha124:
Whether it's consensual or not, it's still illegal in your country because it's regarded as murder, get it into your thick skull... ... You can't keep comparing something that's not illegal to something that's illegal, even in your country HIV is not illegal.

The problem with you is that you're judging everything with your wayward Nigerian mentality... People here don't get discriminated because of their HIV statuses when applying for jobs, that kind of a thing would only suit your country Nigeria whereby you guys still like stigmatizing people for having certain conditions.

What about those unfortunate young women who also later die from complications caused by those illegal abortions

We are not trying to discriminate we are just trying to curb it's spread for a better tomorrow. When corona hits the world people were being asked to stay apart from each other, every country requires a thorough corona screening before they allow you into their country and if you fail, you wll not be given access into their country. Would you then say the whole world was discriminating? Afterall, corona when detected on time is not deadly too.
It is not discriminating it is called curbing, If you don't know, now you know.

You comparing covid19 with HIV is the same way as comparing flu with HIV.

HIV is not contagious like covid19, in case you don't know.

See how ignorant you are?🤣🤣🤣

bercarray:
We are not trying to discriminate we are just trying to curb it's spread for a better tomorrow. When corona hits the world people were being asked to stay apart from each other, every country requires a thorough corona screening before they allow you into their country and if you fail, you wll not be given access into their country. Would you then say the whole world was discriminating? Afterall, corona when detected on time is not deadly too.
It is not discriminating it is called curbing, If you don't know, now you know.

So far I don't know any law that stipulates that people who spread HIV should be arrested, maybe in Nigeria you guys have that kind of law in your constitution... And don't forget that it takes two to tango, it's the responsibility of everyone to have safe sex.

Maybe in Nigeria 10 out of 20 people die because they don't have easy access to the HIV treatment and have to pay for it... Like I said, you're judging everything with your wayward Nigerian mentality, but in my country we're not like that... People with HIV live longer into old age.

Those who die are the irresponsible ones and you know that every irresponsibility comes with consequences, whether you're HIV or not.

Whether the spreading is intentional or not, it doesn't change the fact that abortion is illegal in your country, your ladies keep doing it in numbers and you guys are supporting it, but immediately they start struggling to conceive, you run away from them and bash them...

bercarray:
You will be big liar if you come here to tell me spreading of HIV intentionally amongst you guys is legal as well, because if i have HIV and i go ahead to allow innocent people to have sex with me or in the case of a guy; i go into the street to start having sex with innocent girls. What can we likened that to? Is it not synonymous to a criminal case? Or you want to tell me you guys give trophy to such people in your country?

If you are talking about illegal abortion, i am talking about intentional spreading of HIV too. Mind you if we are to do the ratio of people dying from abortion to people surviving it, the ratio is like 2:20. Can the same thing be said about HIV? 10 out 20 people that has it eventually dies of it.

Spreading of HIV intentionally like you guys do in my country is 100% illegal and in your country you can declare HIV spreading spree one day and see if you will get award for it or be detained.

Agozskey:
she did suction abortion, she bled 4 5days

every successful abortion would have the woman bleed for 7 days straight.

Samantha124:
You comparing covid19 with HIV is the same way as comparing flu with HIV.

HIV is not contagious like covid19, in case you don't know.

See how ignorant you are?🤣🤣🤣

Young lady you are the ignorant one here, i am not comparing them in terms of how it can be contacted, i am comparing them in term of curbing and prevention. If a country decided to take a proper measure to curb a spread of a particular disease, it is not discrimination it is called curbing. You can use your phone to google that.

Samantha124:
So far I don't know any law that stipulates that people who spread HIV should be arrested, maybe in Nigeria you guys have that kind of law in your constitution... And don't forget that it takes two to tango, it's the responsibility of everyone to have safe sex.

Maybe in Nigeria 10 out of 20 people die because they don't have easy access to the HIV treatment and have to pay for it... Like I said, you're judging everything with your wayward Nigerian mentality, but in my country we're not like that... People with HIV live longer into old age.

Those who die are the irresponsible ones and you know that every irresponsibility comes with consequences, whether you're HIV or not.

Whether the spreading is intentional or not, it doesn't change the fact that abortion is illegal in your country, your ladies keep doing it in numbers and you guys are supporting it, but immediately they start struggling to conceive, you run away from them and bash them...

Then you do not know anything about law as regards your first statement. Hence, i see the reason why all i have been saying has been difficult for u to understand.

South Africa does not have a standard health care compared to america. Eazy E, Freddie Mercury and the likes of them were very rich famous and they can any kind of treatment but guess what killed them, HIV. Would you say they were ignorant or they can't afford a good health care system? So girl, it has nothing to do with healthcare or not. Many rich people in your country still dies of it.

So in other words, you'll be curbing the spread of HIV by refusing to give those HIV positive people who take good care of themselves certain employments?

bercarray:
Young lady you are the ignorant one here, i am not comparing them in terms of how it can be contacted, i am comparing them in term of curbing and prevention. If a country decided to take a proper measure to curb a spread of a particular disease, it is not discrimination it is called curbing. You can use your phone to google that.

Agozskey:
Hi guys, I know u guys will banter me... I accept any form of insult tnx...
My girlfriend and I have been together for a year now and the relationship has been great, so we usually have unprotected sex buh I make sure I don't release inside her buh as God may have it, we found out she was pregnant and I wanted to keep the bby buh she didn't want to keep the pregnancy, so we decided to abort it, which we did with the help of one of our friends (girl). The first week wasn't okay, because she was experiencing pains everyday, due to the abortion, the second week seemed perfect no issues, she wasn't feeling anything at all.
This week now all of a sudden she's exhibiting symptoms again... And she has not seen her period, meanwhile we've not had sex since... I don't understand again, I'm not really ready financially yet, buh I'm a bit okay buh the problem is her family, She's just 19 and I'm 22, pls any advice... Thank you

Go and find out how much they are selling Pampers

bercarray:
Then you do not know anything about law as regards your first statement. Hence, i see the reason why all i have been saying has been difficult for u to understand.

South Africa does not have a standard health care compared to america. Eazy E, Freddie Mercury and the likes of them were very rich famous and they can any kind of treatment but guess what killed them, HIV. Would you say they were ignorant or they can't afford a good health care system? So girl, it has nothing to do with healthcare or not. Many rich people in your country still dies of it.

Back then drugs that cure HIV/Aids isn't much around back then and now people are now seeing the light in weed. Weed cures everything even .....

advanceDNA:
Strong head baby.....
..baby be like..."una dey craze...una wan abort me abi....Abortion kii una there"

just name the baby tinubu or subsidy.....weda boy or girl...

. u suppose carry am go hospital shaa ..make e no go be case of ectopic pregnancy

Forget it, the child might not be his or it could be the lady rebanged another dude then makes the pregnancy surface again. I have stopped trusting women.

Last time I checked, we were talking about SA and Nigeria, not American.

Dude, those people that you mentioned died in the 90s when a lot of people were still in denial of the illness, that's what also killed Fela Kuti, denialism of the existence of HIV/AIDS.

The same way some people didn't believe that covid19 was real.

bercarray:
Then you do not know anything about law as regards your first statement. Hence, i see the reason why all i have been saying has been difficult for u to understand.

South Africa does not have a standard health care compared to america. Eazy E, Freddie Mercury and the likes of them were very rich famous and they can any kind of treatment but guess what killed them, HIV. Would you say they were ignorant or they can't afford a good health care system? So girl, it has nothing to do with healthcare or not. Many rich people in your country still dies of it.

Stoicful:
Forget it, the child might not be his or it could be the lady rebanged another dude then makes the pregnancy surface again. I have stopped trusting women.

Lol....them don show u shégé bánzá

Samantha124:
Last time I checked, we were talking about SA and Nigeria, not American.

Dude, those people that you mentioned died in the 90s when a lot of people were still in denial of the illness, that's what also killed Fela Kuti, denialism of the existence of HIV/AIDS.

The same way some people didn't believe that covid19 was real.

Yes if u talked about fela, i agree that we don't have enough health care system, so if he dies it is fine. But you guys claimed to have a good health care system but every year more than 50,000 keeps dying from the so called country that has good health care system with lower population compared to Nigeria that has more population. According to you Nigeria lacks good health care system but they still have lower HIV/AIDS death. Are you guys not suppose to be shameful?

Also according to you Nigeria has higher abortion rate but we do not have a record of abortion death rate compared to your own country's HIV/AID's death rate even with your do called good health care system.

Stoicful:
Back then drugs that cure HIV/Aids isn't much around back then and now people are now seeing the light in weed. Weed cures everything even .....

So does that mean people don't die of it now? keep deceiving yourself

Samantha124:
So in other words, you'll be curbing the spread of HIV by refusing to give those HIV positive people who take good care of themselves certain employments?

Yes if need be, but that does not mean we do not offer them another type of job that pays better

That's discrimination, how will the person afford his or her treatment since it's not free in Nigeria?

That's why they don't live long in your country, you deny them certain employments instead of employing them and focus on dealing with the increase in the illegal abortion rates happening in Nigeria.

bercarray:
Yes if need be, but that does not mean we do not offer them another type of job that pays better

Every country has irresponsible people and I repeat, having HIV is not illegal... Whether 1000 000 people die, it's still not illegal... You guys are breaking the law in your country... You're supporting illegal abortions the same way you support yahoo yahoo.

You can't compare HIV with something that's regarded as murder in your country, you're murderers.

How will you have a record of abortion deaths when they're being done in backdoors?

And Nigeria is known to be very poor in keeping records, I've learned that from nairalanders here on nairaland.

bercarray:
Yes if u talked about fela, i agree that we don't have enough health care system, so if he dies it is fine. But you guys claimed to have a good health care system but every year more than 50,000 keeps dying from the so called country that has good health care system with lower population compared to Nigeria that has more population. According to you Nigeria lacks good health care system but they still have lower HIV/AIDS death. Are you guys not suppose to be shameful?

Also according to you Nigeria has higher abortion rate but we do not have a record of abortion death rate compared to your own country's HIV/AID's death rate even with your do called good health care system.

Samantha124:
Every country has irresponsible people and I repeat, having HIV is not illegal... Whether 1000 000 people die, it's still not illegal... You guys are breaking the law in your country... You're supporting illegal abortions the same way you support yahoo yahoo.

You can't compare HIV with something that's regarded as murder in your country, you're murderers.

How will you have a record of abortion deaths when they're being done in backdoors?

And Nigeria is known to be very poor in keeping records, I've learned that from nairalanders here on nairaland.

Spreading HIV is illegal and I repeat spreading HIV is illegal and that is what you people do in your country and keep killing yourself with it, but you're here defending it with your life. Whether 1million people dies of abortion or we do it back door also, it not illegal to have consensual abortion.
If every country has irresponsible, then does that not mean your country has more compared to Nigeria? considering the fact you guys are not even large in numbers. Give us some credit baby

By the way, you keep talking about having HIV, i never said it was a crime, but all i've been talking about, which is the genesis of this argument right from the start is SPREADING IT!, which is what you people do.

Samantha124:
That's discrimination, how will the person afford his or her treatment since it's not free in Nigeria?

That's why they don't live long in your country, you deny them certain employments instead of employing them and focus on dealing with the increase in the illegal abortion rates happening in Nigeria.

Did u pretend to see the part i said "but that does not mean we do not offer them another type of job that pays better" or you forgot you read something like that when you're typing your response. Someone with HIV cannot be denied the job of a graphic designer, software engineers teaching and the likes, most times it is all these factory workers and house-maid that gets denied this job due to their status.

But you still discriminate them from getting other jobs.

Discrimination is discrimination.

bercarray:
Did u pretend to see the part i said "but that does not mean we do not offer them another type of job that pays better" or you forgot you read something like that when you're typing your response. Someone with HIV cannot be denied the job of a graphic designer, software engineers teaching and the likes, most times it is all these factory workers and house-maid that gets denied this job due to their status.

TheRealOwner:
As God may have what?? Your fornication or your shared murder of an innocent soul?? You people are funny. You weren't calling God when you were practicing your bedroom skills, but you are now involving God in the natural result of actions.

Maybe you should take time to read what God has said about people like you

and are u a saint, or are u without sin as well...

advanceDNA:
Lol....them don show u shégé bánzá

Honestly, this times when 9 out of 10 ladies be hook-up. I just pray make the guy wise up