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jaephoenix:
Let me be very honest here.
I am not 100% sure about the scientific theories out there. Many of them make sense like abiogenesis. Some don't. Evolution is 100% correct and easily backed by science and logic.
Creationism has its issues. Example, there many gods laying claim to it but none providing evidence whatsoever apart from 'My favorite book says so'. And the said favorite book isn't even historically correct

Please be serious for once.
Abiogenesis is a joke with respect to creation: why? Abiogenesis came billions of years after the initiation of Creation about 13.8 billion years ago.

To talk creation, you have to go to time t=zero.

Unfortunately, at time t=zero ALL the physical laws are inexistent, time , space and matter doesn't even exist.

Don't worry for now if Athe worshippers of Allah and Yahweh claim that their own God created the Universe: the key is , WAS THE UNIVERSE CREATED or had it always existed!


Philosophical Questions:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?

triplechoice:
In ' Things Fall Apart' by chinua Achebe, Okonkwo killed himself by commiting suicide.

After killing one of the colonial government's messenger, he hung himself to prevent the shame and embarrassment that would follow from a trial in the colonial court.

The chatgpt was talking about a different thing.

TenQ:
Please be serious for once.
Abiogenesis is a joke with respect to creation: why? Abiogenesis came billions of years after the initiation of Creation about 13.8 billion years ago.

To talk creation, you have to go to time t=zero.

Unfortunately, at time t=zero ALL the physical laws are inexistent, time , space and matter doesn't even exist.

Don't worry for now if Athe worshippers of Allah and Yahweh claim that their own God created the Universe: the key is , WAS THE UNIVERSE CREATED or had it always existed!


Philosophical Questions:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?

1. Do you think creation happened 13.8m years ago?
2. Hey, I'm worried about the particular god that did the job. If you argue the universe was created, then provide the evidence of your god

Maynman:
The chatgpt was talking about a different thing.

SirTee15 left the chat

How can a book full of errors, contradictions & gaffes b taken as d word of an ominoknowest, ominiperfect god

jaephoenix:
1. Do you think creation happened 13.8m years ago?

According to Science everything in the universe has its origin 13.8billion years ago. If you dispute this, let's have your arguments

jaephoenix:
2. Hey, I'm worried about the particular god that did the job. If you argue the universe was created, then provide the evidence of your god

No!
You provide your Own evidence that the Universe was NOT created!

It is two equal proposition!


Simple Questions you can't answer (the question has nothing to do with any DEITY)!
Philosophical Questions:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?

TenQ:
According to Science everything in the universe has its origin 13.8billion years ago. If you dispute this, let's have your arguments



No!
You provide your Own evidence that the Universe was NOT created!

It is two equal proposition!


Simple Questions you can't answer (the question has nothing to do with any DEITY)!
Philosophical Questions:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?

1. Why are you quoting science, why don't you quote your Bible?
2. Like I said, there are many scientific theories. One of them is abiogenesis. Prolly a better one would come up tomorrow. Truth is, we aint very sure. And I cannot tell you which theory is the best.
3. So talk about your creation story, lets hear it

jaephoenix:
Hello everyone.
So apparently I was involved in a discourse with this good dude in a thread about the best argument for the existence of god. So during the debate, he challenged me to post the errors, lies, contradictions, miseducations etc in the bible. So I promised him I'm gon raise a thread and invite peeps to share their views and throw more lights about such gaffes
Now this isn't by any chance all of them, but the ones I can get my hands on in short notice. I'll post more gaffes as I run my rule over this book. I'll try to make them genealogical, that is from Genesis to Revelation, but sometimes I may jump the gun. Do bear with me. I may miss some, so y'all can chip in. Some may also not be errors but misjudgment on my part, so y'all can correct too.
Please lets keep this as insult-free as possible.
So here goes…
The bible is supposedly a book written or inspired by a supreme being. Obviously it has to be perfect as theists tell us.

CHAPTER 1
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19

9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14

10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28

14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8

16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12

18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31

19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13

20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9

21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21

22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28

23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7


Moral Precepts

24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39


Historical Facts

58. Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19
59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15
61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9
62. Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27
63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8
64. John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21
65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23
66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36
67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6
68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16
69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39
70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
and sandals
Mark 6:8,9
Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
staffs nor sandals.
Matt 10:9,10
74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
Matt 15:22
It was a Greek woman who besought Him
Mark 7:26
75. Two blind men besought Jesus
Matt 20:30
Only one blind man besought Him
Luke 18:35,38
76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
Mark 15:25
Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
John 19:14,15
77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
Luke 23:39,40
78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
John 13:27
Satan entered into him before the supper
Luke 22:3,4,7
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
Matt 27:5
Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
Acts 1:18
80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
Acts 1:18
The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
Matt 27:6,7

81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
John 20:1
There were two women who came to the sepulchre
Matt 28:1
82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:1
There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
Luke 24:10

83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:2
It was some time before sunrise when they came.
John 20:1

84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
they were standing up.
Luke 24:4
There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
Matt 28:2,5
85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
John 20:11,12
There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
Mark 16:5

86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
Acts 1:8,5
Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
John 20:22
88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51
91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
speechless
Acts 9:7
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
Acts 26:14
92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
Gen 12:5
Abraham went not knowing where
Heb 11:8
93. Abraham had two sons
Gal 4:22
Abraham had but one son
Heb 11:17
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
Gen 25:1
Keturah was Abraham's concubine
1 Chron 1:32
95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
interposition of Providence
Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
old without any interposition of providence
Gen 25:1,2
96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
Josh 24:32
Abraham bought it of Hamor
Acts 7:16
97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
forever
Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
1 Chron 20:5
99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
2 Kings 8:25
Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
2 Kings 9:29
100. Michal had no child
2 Sam 6:23
Michal had five children
2 Sam 21:8



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I don't normally like to respond to any thread like this however,
What do you suppose over 1 billion Christian devotees not agree with you on any or all of these?

MightySparrow:
I don't normally like to respond to any thread like this however,
What do you suppose over 1 billion Christian devotees not agree with you on any or all of these?

They can choose not to agree or agree. But what you cannot do is run away from the truth.
By the way, you're trying to commit fallacy of appeal to popularity. Which is poor.
Are you aware christianity was a minority religion years ago, it was polytheism that was in vogue. Imagine someone say because many people subscribe to Thor etc, then they are right

jaephoenix:
1. Why are you quoting science, why don't you quote your Bible?
2. Like I said, there are many scientific theories. One of them is abiogenesis. Prolly a better one would come up tomorrow. Truth is, we aint very sure. And I cannot tell you which theory is the best.
3. So talk about your creation story, lets hear it

1. Do you believe the bible? No!
And it seems logical to you for me to present an evidence you don't even subscribe to!

I have QUOTED science for you except you are claiming for the record that you don't believe in the sciences!


2. Abiogenesis is a far recent event. Can Abiogenesis happen before the creation of atoms? No! Atoms of elements are more fundamental in creation that even simple molecules.

3. Fear of exposure!!
Simple question you are quivering!

Simple Questions you can't answer (the question has nothing to do with any DEITY)!
Philosophical Questions:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?

TenQ:
1. Do you believe the bible? No!
And it seems logical to you for me to present an evidence you don't even subscribe to!

I have QUOTED science for you except you are claiming for the record that you don't believe in the sciences!


2. Abiogenesis is a far recent event. Can Abiogenesis happen before the creation of atoms? No! Atoms of elements are more fundamental in creation that even simple molecules.

3. Fear of exposure!!
Simple question you are quivering!

Simple Questions you can't answer (the question has nothing to do with any DEITY)!
Philosophical Questions:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?

1. I told you ab initio that there are many theories, didn't I? Even told you I aint sure which one is the correct one.
So what do you mean i am having fear of exposure?
I think you are the one with the fear of exposure. If you tell me the Bible creation series and point out historical, scientific and archeological backup, why wouldn't I believe you?

jaephoenix:
1. I told you ab initio that there are many theories, didn't I? Even told you I aint sure which one is the correct one.
So what do you mean i am having fear of exposure?
I think you are the one with the fear of exposure. If you tell me the Bible creation series and point out historical, scientific and archeological backup, why wouldn't I believe you?

Simple Questions you can't answer
(the questions has nothing to do with any DEITY)!
Philosophical Questions:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?

2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?

TenQ:
Simple Questions you can't answer
(the questions has nothing to do with any DEITY)!
Philosophical Questions:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?

2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?

Okay. Lemme humor you
1. No.
2. No

jaephoenix:
Okay. Lemme humor you
1. No.
2. No

Your response in 1 conflicts with your response in 2

jaephoenix:
They can choose not to agree or agree. But what you cannot do is run away from the truth.
By the way, you're trying to commit fallacy of appeal to popularity. Which is poor.
Are you aware christianity was a minority religion years ago, it was polytheism that was in vogue. Imagine someone say because many people subscribe to Thor etc, then they are right

Not really, do you realize that the Bible is the most criticized scriptures? The Bible is more than philosophical book. I have been trying to put a thread on the Bible, which by the grace of God, I would do soon.

However, you must understand that the word directly from God is minimal which are prophecies and direct commandments of Moses books and Jesus'.
The rest are history, songs, poetry based on history and personal or national perception of God taking the Bible as reference.. However, all these have acts of God.
The mistakes and differences in reports are pardonable. The word of God is like a nation's constitution which we are striving to comply it as a guide. So, so many writers, especially the chroniclers, write the Acts of God from their viewpoints.
The Acts of our God still continues in signs and wonders and fulfilment of prophecies all over the globe.

Why Academics are rationalizing words and semantics, believers see these things through different spectacles. Evidences are there for whoever cares to know them.

Christianity is a development from Eden to the New age to come. In between, God made His people to pass through all civilizations confirming and enforcing His supremacy.

Until you read with open mind, you will remain a critic . Believers watch the word fulfilled in personal life and global fulfillment of prophecies. These are beyond scientific explanations.

TenQ:
Your response in 1 conflicts with your response in 2

Did it occur to you that the force behind creation could be of this world, and not other-worldly

jaephoenix:
Did it occur to you that the force behind creation could be of this world, and not other-worldly

My questions were:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?


What you need to do:
1. Confirm if matter had always existed.
2. Then ask if the laws of Physics and Chemistry can exist without matter
THEN
3. If matter at a point in time never existed
AND
The laws of physics and chemistry was not in existence
CONCLUSION:
Whatever Initiated the formation of Matter and the laws of nature must be OUT of this Universe (Not subject to the Physical or Natural Laws).

MightySparrow:
Not really, do you realize that the Bible is the most criticized scriptures? The Bible is more than philosophical book. I have been trying to put a thread on the Bible, which by the grace of God, I would do soon.

However, you must understand that the word directly from God is minimal which are prophecies and direct commandments of Moses books and Jesus'.
The rest are history, songs, poetry based on history and personal or national perception of God taking the Bible as reference.. However, all these have acts of God.
The mistakes and differences in reports are pardonable. The word of God is like a nation's constitution which we are striving to comply it as a guide. So, so many writers, especially the chroniclers, write the Acts of God from their viewpoints.
The Acts of our God still continues in signs and wonders and fulfilment of prophecies all over the globe.

Why Academics are rationalizing words and semantics, believers see these things through different spectacles. Evidences are there for whoever cares to know them.

Christianity is a development from Eden to the New age to come. In between, God made His people to pass through all civilizations confirming and enforcing His supremacy.

Until you read with open mind, you will remain a critic . Believers watch the word fulfilled in personal life and global fulfillment of prophecies. These are beyond scientific explanations.

Sorry, I'm replying late.
1. Even the direct quote from Yahweh are horrific. From telling people to murder non-virgins to promoting slavery, misogyny, xenophobia etc
2. No. The mistakes aren't pardonable. Some of them are just plain misleading and some are plain misleading. Like the genealogy of Jesus, the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John gave different names to Jesus ancestors. Some gave wrong geography like how the earth is. Etc etc. Have you read Numbers 22? It looked like a drunk wrote it.
3. Exactly which prohesies are coming to pass?
4. What evidence are you talking about?

TenQ:
My questions were:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?


What you need to do:
1. Confirm if matter had always existed.
2. Then ask if the laws of Physics and Chemistry can exist without matter
THEN
3. If matter at a point in time never existed
AND
The laws of physics and chemistry was not in existence
CONCLUSION:
Whatever Initiated the formation of Matter and the laws of nature must be OUT of this Universe (Not subject to the Physical or Natural Laws).

Okay. Assuming, its out of this world. Don't you think it may be an alien? And if an alien, may not obey OUR own laws of physics

I actually find it amusing that many atheists are willing to believe that aliens exist somewhere in our universe probably breathing in Ammonia instead of Oxygen and made from Silicon rather than Carbon.
LOL!!

Notwithstanding, let's have a go with your comment

jaephoenix:
Okay. Assuming, its out of this world. Don't you think it may be an alien? And if an alien, may not obey OUR own laws of physics

Any Intelligent Being not from our planet earth is referred to as an Alien!

If this is true:
Then there could be two classes of Aliens
1. Aliens who are subject to our physical laws who are from within our Universe
2. Aliens who are NOT subject to our physical laws who are not from within our Universe

According to these definitions, God, His Angels, Demons could be loosely referred by humans to be aliens
However,
Any Alien subject to our physical laws or made of materials must have been created!

@ advocatejare

See your friends, they've refused to comment since yesterday

https://www.nairaland.com/7774998/where-quran-mohammed-it-permanently

OJODEL10:
we needed to respond to these questions
at a point i discover it does not worth it

"Answer the stupid one according to his foolishness, So that he does not think he is wise" Proverbs 26:5

After seeing chapters of epistles coming from a self-proffesed atheist instead of arguing with him just throw a thought provoking question that will soil all his ego:

Apart from the online arguments they are throwing from their individual rooms can any atheist present a gathering or assembly of atheists where LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns?

This question is vital because religion or faith in God is the one and only concept that can do this and mankind need LOVE, JOY and PEACE to cohabit as a family that's why mankind keep searching for God!

Kez11:
Bros, you really want to annihilate these people... Please have mercy.

He knows where to direct his blows because he is fully aware that true Christians will easily render him silent.
But it's OK let him continue dancing around his misinformed churchgoer victims!

TenQ:
@ advocatejare

See your friends, they've refused to comment since yesterday

https://www.nairaland.com/7774998/where-quran-mohammed-it-permanently

Lukuluku69 come and answer simple questions

MaxInDHouse:
He knows where to direct his blows because he is fully aware that true Christians will easily render him silence.
But it's OK let him continue dancing around his misinformed churchgoer victims!

Dindinrin n din robo. True Christians indeed, so called true Christians whose founder and his wife divorced against the teaching of Christ, whose wife exposed as subjecting her to mental torture, who was notorious for giving false prophecies.

True Christians indeed! Just dey play

advocatejare:
Dindinrin n din robo. True Christians indeed, so called true Christians whose founder and his wife divorced against the teaching of Christ, whose wife exposed as subjecting her to mental torture, who was notorious for giving false prophecies.

True Christians indeed! Just dey play

Bolded is your problem true Christianity is not founded by any human but humans participated in the restoration of pure worship. Can you see true Christians today celebrating birthdays? Christmas and smoking?

Well that's to show you that true Christianity has no human founder but each participator was used according to his capacity! Matthew 25:15

But one thing is sure true Christians have the same line of thought globally {John 17:22} as they continue to progress in knowledge and wisdom! Proverbs 4:18

MaxInDHouse:
Bolded is your problem true Christianity is not founded by any human but humans participated in the restoration of pure worship. Can you see true Christians today celebrating birthdays? Christmas and smoking?


Well that's to show you that true Christianity has no human founder but each participator was used according to his capacity! Matthew 25:15

But one thing is sure true Christians have the same line of thought globally {John 17:22} as they continue to progress in knowledge and wisdom! Proverbs 4:18

You mean Charles Taze Russell founder Christianity?


Does true Christianity teaches divorce, subjecting one’s wife to mental torture and dishing out fake prohecies like Russel?

advocatejare:
You mean Charles Taze Russell founder Christianity? Does true Christianity teaches divorce, subjecting one’s wife to mental torture and dishing out fake prohecies like Russel?

Why are you this disturbed to the point you're running to conclusions without reading with understanding.

Jesus is the founder of Christianity so whoever comes into the foundation must know that the Christian faith doesn't allow for interfaith where different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines will claim they belong to the same faith.

Charles Taze Russell participated in the restoration of pure worship so just like John the baptist who prepared the way for Christ he is not the founder of true Christianity today.
His level of understanding determined what happened back then and you can't find any group during his time that objected to divorce so gradual understanding of the truth is what you must acknowledge! Proverbs 4:18

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you this disturbed to the point you're running to conclusions without reading with understanding.

Jesus is the founder of Christianity so whoever comes into the foundation must know that the Christian faith doesn't allow for interfaith where different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines will claim they belong to the same faith.

Charles Taze Russell participated in the restoration of pure worship so just like John the baptist who prepared the way for Christ he is not the founder of true Christianity today.
His level of understanding determined what happened back then and you can't find any group during his time that objected to divorce so gradual understanding of the truth is what you must acknowledge! Proverbs 4:18

So the founder of JW sect’s level of understanding at the time he found his sect didn’t know that it’s written in the scriptures that God hates divorce?

So he didn’t know that the scriptures says that husband to love their wives before he started subjecting her to mental torture?

advocatejare:
So the founder of JW sect’s level of understanding at the time he found his sect didn’t know that it’s written in the scriptures that God hates divorce? So he didn’t know that the scriptures says that husband to love their wives before he started subjecting her to mental torture?

Guy it's not how far but how well i told you that C.T. is not the founder of true Christianity but just a partaker in the restoration of pure worship.
The point is whenever you think of righteousness members of pure worship stands taller than the rest {Matthew 5:14-16} so as at the time Russell was alive himself and his group knows best just as Jehovah's Witnesses knows best today.

The path of the righteous keeps getting brighter and no false religion can stand beside it that's why you can't mention the name of your sect because you know that they can never ever meet up with the achievements of Jehovah's Witnesses!

So instead of talking about the past ọmọ talk about the present can you talk about your own sect and how rough their past?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy it's not how far but how well i told you that C.T. is not the founder of true Christianity but just a partaker in the restoration of pure worship.
The point is whenever you think of righteousness members of pure worship stands taller than the rest {Matthew 5:14-16} so as at the time Russell was alive himself and his group knows best just as Jehovah's Witnesses knows best today.

The path of the righteous keeps getting brighter and no false religion can stand beside it that's why you can't mention the name of your sect because you know that they can never ever meet up with the achievements of Jehovah's Witnesses!

So instead of talking about the past ọmọ talk about the present can you talk about your own sect and how rough their past?

We must examine the character of the person that founded your JW cult sect

He went against the Christ’s teaching on divorce, he divorced his wife

He subjected his wife to mental torture.

He never followed Christ.


What is your sect’s stance on divorce today? Tell us


Do you also subject your wives to mental torture like your founder?

advocatejare:
We must examine the character of the person that founded your JW cult sect
He went against the Christ’s teaching on divorce, he divorced his wife
He subjected his wife to mental torture.
He never followed Christ.
What is your sect’s stance on divorce today? Tell us Do you also subject your wives to mental torture like your founder?

You're just a clown walahi talahi!

I said "true Christians" and instead of you to talk about what you know regarding true Christians you want to attribute it to a group whereas there are over 41,000 different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming Christians.

So if you're sincere with yourself why not mention your own group after all we all know that there is great confusion among those claiming Christians as Catholics, Deeper life, Mountain of fire, Christ Embassy, Synagogues, Celestial, Cherubim and Seraphim, Chosen, C.A.C, Apostolic Faith, The Apostolic Church, Methodist Church, African Church, Jehovah's Witnesses and many more aren't in agreement.
So if i say "true Christians" and you single out only Jehovah's Witnesses what about your own church?