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Are there verses in the Quran where prostration (sujud) is done when recited?

The prostration in Surah Najm (52) is at the 62nd verse.


فَٱسۡجُدُواْ لِلَّهِ وَٱعۡبُدُواْ
"So prostrate to Allah and worship [Him]."

I doubt you considered this.

Read and translate.

اَفَرَءَيۡتُمُ اللّٰتَ وَالۡعُزّٰىۙ‏ ﴿53:19﴾ وَمَنٰوةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الۡاُخۡرٰى‏ ﴿53:20﴾ اَلَـكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الۡاُنۡثٰى‏ ﴿53:21﴾ تِلۡكَ اِذًا قِسۡمَةٌ ضِيۡزٰى‏ ﴿53:22﴾ اِنۡ هِىَ اِلَّاۤ اَسۡمَآءٌ سَمَّيۡتُمُوۡهَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ وَاٰبَآؤُكُمۡ مَّاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰهُ بِهَا مِنۡ سُلۡطٰنٍ​ؕ اِنۡ يَّتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَمَا تَهۡوَى الۡاَنۡفُسُ​ۚ وَلَقَدۡ جَآءَهُمۡ مِّنۡ رَّبِّهِمُ الۡهُدٰىؕ‏ ﴿53:23﴾

TenQ:
Even though this is your preferred Narrative, your early Islamic Scholars such as
Ibn Ishaq,
Al-Jalalyn,
At-Suyuti
Al-Tabari
Ibn Sa'd,
Ibn Hisham
Al Waqidi et al. say quite the opposite.

Even Imam Bukhari's hadith say opposite

Sahih Bukhari 6:60:385
Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.






Who do you advise I believe?

Please let's close this chapter. I appreciate your input sir.

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Read and translate.

اَفَرَءَيۡتُمُ اللّٰتَ وَالۡعُزّٰىۙ‏ ﴿53:19﴾ وَمَنٰوةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الۡاُخۡرٰى‏ ﴿53:20﴾ اَلَـكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الۡاُنۡثٰى‏ ﴿53:21﴾ تِلۡكَ اِذًا قِسۡمَةٌ ضِيۡزٰى‏ ﴿53:22﴾ اِنۡ هِىَ اِلَّاۤ اَسۡمَآءٌ سَمَّيۡتُمُوۡهَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ وَاٰبَآؤُكُمۡ مَّاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰهُ بِهَا مِنۡ سُلۡطٰنٍ​ؕ اِنۡ يَّتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَمَا تَهۡوَى الۡاَنۡفُسُ​ۚ وَلَقَدۡ جَآءَهُمۡ مِّنۡ رَّبِّهِمُ الۡهُدٰىؕ‏ ﴿53:23﴾

Qur'an 53:19-23
"Have you then considered Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza, and Manat, the third - the other one? Is the male for you and for Him the female? That then is an unjust division. They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance."

1. Can you show me from the Qur'an alone who Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza, and Manat are?
2. From the Qur'an alone, what is the interpretation of " Is the male for you and for Him the female? "

Without these other books you are throwing under the bus, is it possible to understand this Qur'an?

Again:
Even though this is your preferred Narrative, your early Islamic Scholars such as
Ibn Ishaq,
Al-Jalalyn,
At-Suyuti
Al-Tabari
Ibn Sa'd,
Ibn Hisham
Al Waqidi et al. say quite the opposite.

Who do you advise I believe?

Please let's close this chapter. I appreciate your input sir.

.

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With regard to Tafseer al-Jalaalayn (by Jalaal ad-Deen as-Suyooti and Jalaal ad-Deen al-Muhalli), it is a good tafseer and summary, but it is not free of some shortcomings, especially with regard to the attributes of Allah and matters of ‘aqeedah (belief), in which it follows the madhhab of the Ash‘aris.

The tale of Gharaniq was mentioned by many scholars of Tafsir (explanation of the meanings of the Qur’an) in their interpretation of Allah’s Saying (the meanings of which are translated as), Never did We send a Messenger or a Prophet before you but when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke, Shaitân (Satan) threw (some falsehood) in it. (Surah Al-Hajj, 22: 52), and in the Tafsir of Allah’s Saying, Have you then considered Al-Lât, and Al-‘Uzzâ (two idols of the pagan Arabs) And Manât (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third? It was narrated through many chains of narration with different wordings.However, all of them are Mursal (with no Companion of the Prophet in the chain of narration), and were never reported through authentic chains of narration, as mentioned by Al-Hafizh ibn Kathir (may Allah be merciful to him) in his Tafsir. After he mentioned this tale through all its chains of narration, he said, “However, all of them are Mursal and disconnected.”

Ibn Khuzaymah said that this tale was fabricated by the Zanadiqah (Heretics); it was also denied by Abu Bakr ibn Al-‘Araby, Al-Qadi ‘Iyad and others, who disapproved of both its Sanad (chain of narrators) and Matn (the text). As for the Sanad, it is due to the above-mentioned reasons. As for the Matn, it is due to what was stated by Ibn Al-‘Araby that when Allah (Exalted be He) sends the Angel to His Messenger, He instills in him (His Messenger) the knowledge that it is the Angel who sends down Wahy (Revelation) to him; Satan can never put on his lips words, which throw him into confusion, and so he recites them as Qur’an. As there is Ijma‘ (unanimous consensus) on the infallibility of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and the impossibility of his committing Shirk (associating others with Allah in His Divinity or worship), he could not have said these words by mistake, or thinking that they were Qur’an. He could not have preferred pleasing his people over pleasing his Lord, which made him wish that Allah would not reveal anything to him that might displease them. Moreover, the evidence used to prove the authenticity of this tale, which is inferred from Allah’s saying, Verily, they were about to tempt you away from that which We have revealed (the Qur’ân) unto you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم), to fabricate something other than it against Us (Surah Al-Isra’, 17: 73) certainly does not prove its authenticity. Rather, it proves the innocence of the Prophet (peace be upon him) of the accusation of reciting these polytheistic words, as the Ayah indicates denial and negation, not affirmation.It is also evident that Satan merely threw some falsehood into his recitation, but he did put such polytheistic words on his tongue nor inspired these words inside him, which he actually recited, read, or uttered, whether inattentively, by mistake or on purpose, until Jibril (Gabriel) came and corrected him, and he (peace be upon him) grieved over what happened. It was not also proven that the Ayah was revealed to console the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) for what he was afflicted with according to this tale, to prop up such an interpretation with all the errors that it contains.

The Jumhur (dominant majority) of Ahl-ul-Sunnah (those adhering to the Sunnah) agreed with Ibn Al-‘Araby on what he said. They stated that the meaning of the Ayah is: Never did Allah send a Messenger or a Prophet before you (O Muhammad) but when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke, a devil from among mankind or jinn would throw during his recitation or speech some false words spoken by that devil and heard by the attendants. Or the devil would whisper evil thoughts to the Kafirs (disbelievers) and hypocrites who thought them to be part of the Wahy, while they are not so. Allah then abolishes whatever words, whisperings or deception which Satan throws in and completely eliminates them, to establish the truth by His Words, for the Perfection of His Knowledge and Profound Wisdom. This is the Way of Allah with His Messengers, Prophets and their enemies, to fulfill the purpose of trying and testing mankind, so that the wicked is distinguished from the good; so that the Kafirs and hypocrites who are to be destroyed through their following the falsehood that Satan casts may be destroyed after a clear evidence, and the people of unwavering faith, whose hearts rest secure in Iman (belief), who are guided to the Straight Path, may live after clear evidence.

Thus, it becomes clear through the previously mentioned that the tale of Gharaniq is false. Satan does not have the power to thrust some falsehood into the mouth of the Prophet (peace be upon him) which he then recites or utters. Satan might have thrown some false words while the Prophet (peace be upon him) was reciting; words which were uttered by Satan and heard by the attendants, or Satan might have whispered some evil inspirations in the soul of the disbelievers and hypocrites, which they thought them to be part of the Wahy, while they are not. Allah then abolishes such Satanic sayings, eliminates misconception and establishes His revelations.

It also becomes clear that the opinion of Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abdul-Wahab (may Allah be merciful to him) is the same of the Jumhur (dominant majority) of scholars, which holds that Satan has thrown some falsehood or evil whispering during recitation, but certainly not on the tongue of the Prophet (peace be upon him), or in his soul, or in the souls of the true believers. It was only in the ears of Kafirs, or inside their souls, which they thought to be part of the Qur’an. The wisdom of Allah entails that He destroys falsehood and establishes His revelations, so that the truth triumphs out of His Mercy to the people. Allah is All-Knowledgeable, All-Wise. The scholars of Islam are unanimously agreed on the infallibility of Messengers in all and everything that they convey from Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) to mankind.

You know Surah 22 is Surah Hajj?
22:52
Whenever We sent a messenger or a prophet before you ˹O Prophet˺ and he recited ˹Our revelations˺, Satan would influence ˹people’s understanding of˺ his recitation. But ˹eventually˺ Allah would eliminate Satan’s influence. Then Allah would ˹firmly˺ establish His revelations. And Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
22:53
All that so He may make Satan’s influence a trial for those ˹hypocrites˺ whose hearts are sick and those ˹disbelievers˺ whose hearts are hardened. Surely the wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition.


If the first meaning is taken, it will imply: Satan tried to prevent the fulfillment of his desire. If the second meaning is taken, it will imply: When the Prophet recited the Revelations, Satan created different sorts of doubts about its truth and meanings in the minds of the people.

* If the first meaning is adopted, it will imply: Allah fulfills the Prophet’s desire and makes his mission successful in spite of the obstacles of Satan and confirms the truth of His revelations by fulfilling His promises to the Prophet. In case of the second meaning, it will imply: Allah eradicates all the doubts and objections inspired by Satan in the hearts of the people and clarifies the confusion created about any verse of the Quran in subsequent revelations.
“Allah is All-Knower” and has full knowledge of the mischief worked by Satan and of its effects, and being All- Wise, He counteracts every mischief of Satan.*

You referred this to Quran 53 to prove your point or Jalalyn did? Even so, read Quran 53 and understand what is going on there for yourself please.

TenQ:
What of if I quote you a Tafsir by no other than Al-Jalalyn?

At least this is not hadith: and Imam Al-Jalalyn is not a novice in Islamic doctrines.


Al-Jalalayn Quran 22:52-53
And We did not send before you any messenger (rasūl) — this is a prophet who has been commanded to deliver a Message — or prophet (nabī) — one who has not been commanded to deliver anything — but that when he recited [the scripture] Satan cast into his recitation, what is not from the Qur’ān, but which those to whom he [the prophet] had been sent would find pleasing. The Prophet (s) had, during an assembly of the [men of] Quraysh, after reciting the [following verses from] sūrat al-Najm, Have you considered Lāt and ‘Uzzā? And Manāt, the third one? [53:19-20] added, as a result of Satan casting them onto his tongue without his [the Prophet’s] being aware of it, [the following words]: ‘those are the high-flying cranes (al-gharānīq al-‘ulā) and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for’, and so they [the men of Quraysh] were thereby delighted. Gabriel, however, later informed him [the Prophet] of this that Satan had cast onto his tongue and he was grieved by it; but was [subsequently] comforted with this following verse that he might be reassured [of God’s pleasure]: thereat God abrogates, nullifies, whatever Satan had cast, then God confirms His revelations. And God is Knower, of Satan’s casting of that which has been mentioned, Wise, in His enabling him [Satan] to do such things, for He does whatever He will.

That He may make what Satan has cast a trial, a test, for those in whose hearts is a sickness, dissension and hypocrisy, and those whose hearts are hardened, namely, the idolaters, [hardened] against acceptance of the truth. For truly the evildoers, the disbelievers, are [steeped] in extreme defiance, [in] a protracted feud with the Prophet (s) and the believers, for his tongue uttered mention of their gods in a way that pleased them, and yet this was later nullified.



Is Al-Jalalayn also a liar?
Do you modern Muslims know Islam better than him?

Rain, snow and hailstones fall from the clouds.

Precipitation are all liquid and solid water particles that fall from clouds and reach the ground.

TenQ:
Just note how each verse is consistent: objects are either real or figurative.
Not in the case of your verse where everything are physical objects except the mountain.

By the way: If you say the mountain mean cloud,
Are hails cut from the clouds?

Refuting Idolatry, Al-Lat and Al-`Uzza
Allah the Exalted rebukes the idolators for worshipping idols and taking rivals to Him. They built houses for their idols to resemble
(Have you then considered Al-Lat,) Al-Lat was a white stone with inscriptions on. There was a house built around Al-Lat in At-Ta'if with curtains, servants and a sacred courtyard around it. The people of At-Ta'if, the tribe of Thaqif and their allies, worshipped Al-Lat. They would boast to Arabs, except the Quraysh, that they had Al-Lat. Ibn Jarir said, "They derived Al-Lat's name from Allah's Name, and made it feminine. Allah is far removed from what they ascribe to Him.

Ibn Kathir

TenQ:
What of if I quote you a Tafsir by no other than Al-Jalalyn?

At least this is not hadith: and Imam Al-Jalalyn is not a novice in Islamic doctrines.


Al-Jalalayn Quran 22:52-53
And We did not send before you any messenger (rasūl) — this is a prophet who has been commanded to deliver a Message — or prophet (nabī) — one who has not been commanded to deliver anything — but that when he recited [the scripture] Satan cast into his recitation, what is not from the Qur’ān, but which those to whom he [the prophet] had been sent would find pleasing. The Prophet (s) had, during an assembly of the [men of] Quraysh, after reciting the [following verses from] sūrat al-Najm, Have you considered Lāt and ‘Uzzā? And Manāt, the third one? [53:19-20] added, as a result of Satan casting them onto his tongue without his [the Prophet’s] being aware of it, [the following words]: ‘those are the high-flying cranes (al-gharānīq al-‘ulā) and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for’, and so they [the men of Quraysh] were thereby delighted. Gabriel, however, later informed him [the Prophet] of this that Satan had cast onto his tongue and he was grieved by it; but was [subsequently] comforted with this following verse that he might be reassured [of God’s pleasure]: thereat God abrogates, nullifies, whatever Satan had cast, then God confirms His revelations. And God is Knower, of Satan’s casting of that which has been mentioned, Wise, in His enabling him [Satan] to do such things, for He does whatever He will.

That He may make what Satan has cast a trial, a test, for those in whose hearts is a sickness, dissension and hypocrisy, and those whose hearts are hardened, namely, the idolaters, [hardened] against acceptance of the truth. For truly the evildoers, the disbelievers, are [steeped] in extreme defiance, [in] a protracted feud with the Prophet (s) and the believers, for his tongue uttered mention of their gods in a way that pleased them, and yet this was later nullified.



Is Al-Jalalayn also a liar?
Do you modern Muslims know Islam better than him?

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You know Surah 22 is Surah Hajj?
22:52
Whenever We sent a messenger or a prophet before you ˹O Prophet˺ and he recited ˹Our revelations˺, Satan would influence ˹people’s understanding of˺ his recitation. But ˹eventually˺ Allah would eliminate Satan’s influence. Then Allah would ˹firmly˺ establish His revelations. And Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
22:53
All that so He may make Satan’s influence a trial for those ˹hypocrites˺ whose hearts are sick and those ˹disbelievers˺ whose hearts are hardened. Surely the wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition.


If the first meaning is taken, it will imply: Satan tried to prevent the fulfillment of his desire. If the second meaning is taken, it will imply: When the Prophet recited the Revelations, Satan created different sorts of doubts about its truth and meanings in the minds of the people.

* If the first meaning is adopted, it will imply: Allah fulfills the Prophet’s desire and makes his mission successful in spite of the obstacles of Satan and confirms the truth of His revelations by fulfilling His promises to the Prophet. In case of the second meaning, it will imply: Allah eradicates all the doubts and objections inspired by Satan in the hearts of the people and clarifies the confusion created about any verse of the Quran in subsequent revelations.
“Allah is All-Knower” and has full knowledge of the mischief worked by Satan and of its effects, and being All- Wise, He counteracts every mischief of Satan.*

You referred this to Quran 53 to prove your point or Jalalyn did? Even so, read Quran 53 and understand what is going on there for yourself please.

I have asked you this question several times now,
Are you a Qur'an-Only Muslim?

I am Muslim.

I don't do enough study of Islam but am still learning

Stages of Hail Formation
Hail is formed through a complex process that involves strong updrafts in thunderstorms and the presence of supercooled water droplets in the atmosphere. Here's a simplified explanation of how hail is formed:

1. Updrafts in Thunderstorms
Thunderstorms contain powerful updrafts, which are strong vertical winds that carry warm, moist air upward. As this warm air rises, it cools down due to the decreasing atmospheric pressure at higher altitudes.

2. Condensation and Freezing:
As the warm air rises, it cools down to the point where it reaches its dew point. At the dew point, water vapor in the air condenses into water droplets around tiny particles called condensation nuclei. These nuclei can be dust, pollen, or other particles present in the atmosphere. If the temperature continues to drop, these water droplets can further freeze into small ice pellets called graupel.

3. Growth of Hailstones:
In strong updrafts, the graupel is lifted back into the upper, colder part of the cloud. There, it encounters supercooled water droplets, which are liquid water droplets that remain in a liquid state below the freezing point due to the absence of nucleation sites. These supercooled water droplets freeze upon contact with the graupel, causing it to grow into a hailstone.

4. Layers of Ice:
The hailstone can be carried up and down multiple times within the storm by the updrafts and downdrafts. During each trip through the supercooled water region, more layers of ice form on the hailstone, making it larger and heavier.

5. Hailstone Falls:
When the hailstone becomes too heavy for the updrafts to support, it falls to the ground as hail. The size of the hailstone can vary, ranging from small pellets to large, golf-ball-sized or even larger hailstones.

The formation of hail requires specific conditions within a thunderstorm, and not every thunderstorm produces hail. The process of hail formation can lead to severe weather events, causing damage to crops, vehicles, and buildings if the hailstones are large and numerous.

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Rain, snow and hailstones fall from the clouds.

Precipitation are all liquid and solid water particles that fall from clouds and reach the ground.

Qur'an 24:43
Seest thou not that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? - then wilt thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And He sends down from the sky mountain wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases, the vivid flash of His lightning well-nigh blinds the sight.


1. Did the Qur'an say that in the Cloud mountain is hail?
2. Does every thick and tall clouds result in the hail falling ?

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir as said in the Quran A combination of low temperature and water condescension that freezes supercooled water into hail that fall when the updrafts of air cannot lift it up again.


Layman Sequence of Hail Formation
When the warm water vapour of the earth rises into the clouds precipitate, it forms rain.
As the rain fall, if the temperature of air is cold enough to freeze the water coming down as rain, it freezes and coagulates.
This frozen water is called hail sir.


The more you press this, the more difficult it becomes.

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir.
It is water condensate that freezes that becomes hail and only in special circumstances

Please let's stop this sir

Or I will also force you to explain how the sun daily prostrate under the throne of Allah?!

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Refuting Idolatry, Al-Lat and Al-`Uzza
Allah the Exalted rebukes the idolators for worshipping idols and taking rivals to Him. They built houses for their idols to resemble
(Have you then considered Al-Lat,) Al-Lat was a white stone with inscriptions on. There was a house built around Al-Lat in At-Ta'if with curtains, servants and a sacred courtyard around it. The people of At-Ta'if, the tribe of Thaqif and their allies, worshipped Al-Lat. They would boast to Arabs, except the Quraysh, that they had Al-Lat. Ibn Jarir said, "They derived Al-Lat's name from Allah's Name, and made it feminine. Allah is far removed from what they ascribe to Him.

Ibn Kathir

Did Allah explain all these in the Qur'an or you are referring to your scholars hadiths and commentries of the Qur'an.

If your answer is yes!
Please quote the verses.
If your answer is no!
Then why do you throw your scholars under the bust when the speak bitter truths to you?

Are you a Qur'an-Only Muslim?

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I am Muslim.

I don't do enough study of Islam but am still learning

I know you are a Muslim : Qur'an-Only Muslims are a special class of Muslims.

This is the Question I ask!

Are you a Qur'an-Only Muslim?

I know only Muslim and do not know of these classification

Clouds are formed when air contains as much water vapor (gas) as it can hold. This is called the saturation point, and it can be reached in two ways. First, moisture accumulates until it reaches the maximum amount the volume of air can hold. The other method reduces the temperature of the moisture filled air, which in turn lowers the amount of moisture it can contain. Saturation, therefore, is reached through evaporation and condensation, respectively. When saturation occurs, moisture becomes visible water droplets in the form of fog and clouds.

What Causes Hail?
Hail starts as liquid droplets of water that are pushed up, by an updraft, to a high enough elevation to begin freezing. There is a balance of forces at work - gravity and the updraft. As the hail stones become larger, they become too heavy for the updraft to support and gravity pulls them down to the surface.
The pushing up is done where or rather where are the clouds?

How Does Hail Form?
Hailstones begin as tiny ice nuclei when liquid droplets become frozen as the updraft of a thunderstorm forces them high enough into the atmosphere to freeze. The hailstones have to refreeze several times to grow large enough for gravity to pull them down to the surface.


Hail is associated with high, vertical cumulonimbus clouds, the kind of clouds that produce severe thunderstorms.

TenQ:
Qur'an 24:43
Seest thou not that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? - then wilt thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And He sends down from the sky mountain wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases, the vivid flash of His lightning well-nigh blinds the sight.


1. Did the Qur'an say that in the Cloud mountain is hail?
2. Does every thick and tall clouds result in the hail falling ?

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir as said in the Quran A combination of low temperature and water condescension that freezes supercooled water into hail that fall when the updrafts of air cannot lift it up again.


Layman Sequence of Hail Formation
When the warm water vapour of the earth rises into the clouds precipitate, it forms rain.
As the rain fall, if the temperature of air is cold enough to freeze the water coming down as rain, it freezes and coagulates.
This frozen water is called hail sir.


The more you press this, the more difficult it becomes.

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir.
It is water condensate that freezes that becomes hail and only in special circumstances

Please let's stop this sir

Or I will also force you to explain how the sun daily prostrate under the throne of Allah?!

Mr! what is the Water cycle?

The higher you go the cooler it becomes isn't it?

TenQ:
Qur'an 24:43
Seest thou not that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? - then wilt thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And He sends down from the sky mountain wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases, the vivid flash of His lightning well-nigh blinds the sight.


1. Did the Qur'an say that in the Cloud mountain is hail?
2. Does every thick and tall clouds result in the hail falling ?

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir as said in the Quran A combination of low temperature and water condescension that freezes supercooled water into hail that fall when the updrafts of air cannot lift it up again.


Layman Sequence of Hail Formation
When the warm water vapour of the earth rises into the clouds precipitate, it forms rain.
As the rain fall, if the temperature of air is cold enough to freeze the water coming down as rain, it freezes and coagulates.
This frozen water is called hail sir.


The more you press this, the more difficult it becomes.

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir.
It is water condensate that freezes that becomes hail and only in special circumstances

Please let's stop this sir

Or I will also force you to explain how the sun daily prostrate under the throne of Allah?!

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Mr! what is the Water cycle?

The higher you go the cooler it becomes isn't it?

I asked two Scientific questions

1. Did the Qur'an say that in the Cloud mountain is hail?
2. Does every thick and tall clouds result in the hail falling ?


Does the clouds contain hail according to the words of Allah ?

Explore2xmore:
Clouds are formed when air contains as much water vapor (gas) as it can hold. This is called the saturation point, and it can be reached in two ways. First, moisture accumulates until it reaches the maximum amount the volume of air can hold. The other method reduces the temperature of the moisture filled air, which in turn lowers the amount of moisture it can contain. Saturation, therefore, is reached through evaporation and condensation, respectively. When saturation occurs, moisture becomes visible water droplets in the form of fog and clouds.

What Causes Hail?
Hail starts as liquid droplets of water that are pushed up, by an updraft, to a high enough elevation to begin freezing. There is a balance of forces at work - gravity and the updraft. As the hail stones become larger, they become too heavy for the updraft to support and gravity pulls them down to the surface.
The pushing up is done where or rather where are the clouds?

How Does Hail Form?
Hailstones begin as tiny ice nuclei when liquid droplets become frozen as the updraft of a thunderstorm forces them high enough into the atmosphere to freeze. The hailstones have to refreeze several times to grow large enough for gravity to pull them down to the surface.


Hail is associated with high, vertical cumulonimbus clouds, the kind of clouds that produce severe thunderstorms.

Just respond to the question and everything will be clear

Does the clouds contain hail according to the words of Allah ?

Some clouds contain hail.


Have you not seen that God drives the clouds, then joins them together and puts them fold on fold. Then you see the rain fall through them; and He sends down hail from the sky where there are mountains of it, and strikes those with it whom He will, and wards it off from whomsoever He please. His lightning could snatch away their eyes.

TenQ:
Just respond to the question and everything will be clear

Does the clouds contain hail according to the words of Allah ?

Explore2xmore:
Some clouds contain hail.


Have you not seen that God drives the clouds, then joins them together and puts them fold on fold. Then you see the rain fall through them; and He sends down hail from the sky where there are mountains of it, and strikes those with it whom He will, and wards it off from whomsoever He please. His lightning could snatch away their eyes.

Some clouds contain hail!?
What is the percentage?

And is the superstition that hail wards off enemies of Allah true or is it also figurative?




If you check, this superstition is very similar to shooting stars warding off Jinn: is it not?

Never heard.
What village or tribe has this myth? Yours?

Break it down.

TenQ:
Have I ever claimed to know Islam more than Muslims?
No Sir!

The difference between us is that when I read the Qur'an or Hadith or Tafsir, I ask Questions BUT you don't ask Questions.

When I ask you these same Questions, you get angry and think it is pride.

According to Islamic theology, What is the meaning of the title Messiah!

The Jews know the meaning, this is why they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. The Christian's know who the Messiah is and that's why they can say Jesus is the Messiah.

Now, for you Muslims, what does the title Messiah mean?

Channel that energy into finding the truth about whatever religion you belong to. If you are a Christian I'm sure you would have seen many changes, mistakes, inconsistencies and so in it.

Perhaps you wish Islam was like that too and read fabricated things just to prove it. Well good luck while at it but our time on Earth is very short before we would meet God for judgement and our differences would be settled.

Explore2xmore:
Never heard.
What village or tribe has this myth? Yours?

Break it down.

Qur'an s it not true according to your religion that shooting stars are missiles thrown at the Jinn for eavesdropping the words of Allah in Heaven?


Shooting stars are massively big physical structures, shaitan (non physical being) and the Jinn is so small that shaitan can urinate in the noses of Muslims : does this not sound like a myth to you?

If it is not a myth, is it REAL occurence?

Seems you have deep issues staying on a subject. Were you not referring to a verse on clouds, rain and hail?
Either way it's my religion. Mind yours!

TenQ:
Qur'an s it not true according to your religion that shooting stars are missiles thrown at the Jinn for eavesdropping the words of Allah in Heaven?


Shooting stars are massively big physical structures, shaitan (non physical being) and the Jinn is so small that shaitan can urinate in the noses of Muslims : does this not sound like a myth to you?

If it is not a myth, is it REAL occurence?

4islam:
Channel that energy into finding the truth about whatever religion you belong to. If you are a Christian I'm sure you would have seen many changes, mistakes, inconsistencies and so in it.

Perhaps you wish Islam was like that too and read fabricated things just to prove it. Well good luck while at it but our time on Earth is very short before we would meet God for judgement and our differences would be settled.

Speaking about fabrications:
Who fabricated ALL the Evidences I gave you from your hadiths?
Is it me or you Muslims?

These are your respected religious books my dear and I quote them as evidence.

I am afraid that when you find out after death, it would be too late for you. Haven't you noticed that Islam is purely against EVERYTHING that has to do with salvation from Hell in Christianity?

Have you not read that ALL Muslims will enter the Fire of hell (but later Christians will be put in hell as a ransome for you Muslims)?

The best of the deceivers have executed his Taqqiya on you, but just like a person being 419'd, you don't know. You think the document of Islam in your hands is genuine!

God know that I care about you Muslims and all I am doing is to make you ASK Questions about Islam. When you ask Questions, you will receive answers that will save your soul.

Have you ever wondered WHY God sent the Messiah to the Earth?
Did God fail in His mission for sending the Messiah?

I beg you to slow down and think. Ask Questions! Don't just accept whatever they've told you as true: as there are too many lies embedded in them.

If the Qur'an was directly from God, it would be perfect. Unfortunately, it isn't as it bears the signature of a 6th century Arabian man.

Explore2xmore:
Seems you have deep issues staying on a subject. Were you not referring to a verse on clouds, rain and hail?
Either way it's my religion. Mind yours!

There is not one single Religion in this whole world that saves sir.

Only the Messiah saves and I from my heart invite you to ask God about Him and be saved.

Your conviction. Stand for yourself and get off the Superman saving fable. You ain't living make belief

TenQ:
There is not one single Religion in this whole world that saves sir.

Only the Messiah saves and I from my heart invite you to ask God about Him and be saved.

Explore2xmore:
Your conviction. Stand for yourself and get off the Superman saving fable. You ain't living make belief

There is a way that looks RIGHT to a man but the end is destruction!

I still appreciate you my guy. Have a good night rest and I wish you the best in life and in eternity!

Shalom!

Hope you have taken your own advice before giving it out

TenQ:
There is a way that looks RIGHT to a man but the end is destruction!

I still appreciate you my guy. Have a good night rest and I wish you the best in life and in eternity!

Shalom!

Explore2xmore:
Hope you have taken your own advice before giving it out

It wasn't my advice sir. It was the advice of the Suleiman


.Pro 14:12:
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end only leads to death."

I discovered .....most Muslims don't many things about Islam or something written in the Quran

It's your book and should first apply to you. Why did you give an arabic name when that isn't how you and your book recognise him.

It's been a lengthy waste of time; glad you now know some truths though you will not accept.

Bye

TenQ:
It wasn't my advice sir. It was the advice of the Suleiman


.Pro 14:12:
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end only leads to death."

TenQ:
Speaking about fabrications:
Who fabricated ALL the Evidences I gave you from your hadiths?
Is it me or you Muslims?

These are your respected religious books my dear and I quote them as evidence.

I am afraid that when you find out after death, it would be too late for you. Haven't you noticed that Islam is purely against EVERYTHING that has to do with salvation from Hell in Christianity?

Have you not read that ALL Muslims will enter the Fire of hell (but later Christians will be put in hell as a ransome for you Muslims)?

The best of the deceivers have executed his Taqqiya on you, but just like a person being 419'd, you don't know. You think the document of Islam in your hands is genuine!

God know that I care about you Muslims and all I am doing is to make you ASK Questions about Islam. When you ask Questions, you will receive answers that will save your soul.

Have you ever wondered WHY God sent the Messiah to the Earth?
Did God fail in His mission for sending the Messiah?
I beg you to slow down and think. Ask Questions! Don't just accept whatever they've told you as true: as there are too many lies embedded in them.

If the Qur'an was directly from God, it would be perfect. Unfortunately, it isn't as it bears the signature of a 6th century Arabian man.

Quran was revealed into the heart of a man and it's accurate descriptions of everything is perfect especially for something written thousands of years ago. For thousands of years we have been memorizing so it stays in our heart so if there was changes many others who knows it would state the authentic one (how many chapters of the Bible do you know by heart?).

If we start talking about Christianity we won't finish and I can't waste my time.

Glory be to God who has been guiding His final book.