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MaxInDHouse:
NO!
We can't skip anything until we both agree first that's how to settle issues.
So what is your understanding of the idiom "FRUIT"?

I know you're not neutral as you claim but i'm not going to drag that with you, you're not discussing with churchgoer my guy you're discussing with one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

So let's agree on what Jesus meant by "FRUIT"

Since you're accusing me of not being neutral, I leave you to your device.
By the way, advocatejare's question needs an answer

jaephoenix:
Since you're accusing me of not being neutral, I leave you to your device. By the way, advocatejare's question needs an answer

He is deceiving himself, that's why i ignored him.
First of all he needs to tell me the founder of his own church, then the life history of the person in question then his questions will be answered satisfactorily.

Of course you're not neutral as you claim since you're not interested in knowing who the founder of his own religion is rather you're just interested in rumours.

The founder of any group means someone on whose thoughts, words and deeds a group is formed so even after such a person has died the legacy will remain as the foundation of the group but in this case your friend is saying something and i want to help you all to see that he's mistaking just to discover that you're not sincere in your findings.

Charles Taze Russell was a member of a group formed in the late 19th century this group was dedicated to finding out how Christianity supposed to be practiced since there are countless religious sects all claiming they're Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. He became the president or Chairman of that group because the American government doesn't recognize any group without a spokesman and ever since then the group kept making research on the lifestyle, ministry, thoughts, words and actions of a first century Jewish young carpenter named Jesus of Nazareth whatever they discovered or concluded after a thorough research on the scriptures will lead to adjustments in their beliefs.

That's why i keep asking advocatejare to tell us the founder of his own church because i know for sure that he doesn't understand the meaning of that word "FOUNDER" he's just following whatever people say.

So if the teachings and doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses organization keep changing based on what we found in the scriptures regarding the life history, ministry, thoughts, words and actions of Jesus of Nazareth then how do you think Charles Taze Russell who was just a member or spokesperson of the research group the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Are the teachings and doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses based on the life history, ministry, thoughts words and actions of Charles Taze Russell or that of Jesus of Nazareth?

For your information Charles Taze Russell do celebrate his birthday, he was bearing the title PASTOR, he also celebrates Christmas and used the image of cross until his death in 1916 whereas all these have become unscriptural practices among Jehovah's Witnesses today.

So in what way is Charles Taze Russell the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses organization?

Thanks for your time!

MaxInDHouse:
Followers of Russell who don't celebrate birthdays, who don't bear Pastor titles, who don't celebrate Christmas like Russell shey?

Continue deceiving yourself!

Are you guys wife abusers like Russel?

Do you people of JW cult subject your wives to mental torture like Russel founder of your cult did his wife?

Or you people have realized that Russel’s lifestyle is not worth emulating?

Are you JW cult members failing in the simple task of keeping your home together like Russel?

Are you following Jesus’ stance on divorce or you’re divorcing your wives like Russel your founder did?

MaxInDHouse:
He is deceiving himself, that's why i ignored him.
First of all he needs to tell me the founder of his own church, then the life history of the person in question then his questions will be answered satisfactorily.

Of course you're not neutral as you claim since you're not interested in knowing who the founder of his own religion is rather you're just interested in rumours.

The founder of any group means someone on whose thoughts, words and deeds a group is formed so even after such a person has died the legacy will remain as the foundation of the group but in this case your friend is saying something and i want to help you all to see that he's mistaking just to discover that you're not sincere in your findings.

Charles Taze Russell was a member of a group formed in the late 19th century this group was dedicated to finding out how Christianity supposed to be practiced since there are countless religious sects all claiming they're Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. He became the president or Chairman of that group because the American government doesn't recognize any group without a spokesman and ever since then the group kept making research on the lifestyle, ministry, thoughts, words and actions of a first century Jewish young carpenter named Jesus of Nazareth whatever they discovered or concluded after a thorough research on the scriptures will lead to adjustments in their beliefs.

That's why i keep asking advocatejare to tell us the founder of his own church because i know for sure that he doesn't understand the meaning of that word "FOUNDER" he's just following whatever people say.

So if the teachings and doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses organization keep changing based on what we found in the scriptures regarding the life history, ministry, thoughts, words and actions of Jesus of Nazareth then how do you think Charles Taze Russell who was just a member or spokesperson of the research group the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Are the teachings and doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses based on the life history, ministry, thoughts words and actions of Charles Taze Russell or that of Jesus of Nazareth?

For your information Charles Taze Russell do celebrate his birthday, he was bearing the title PASTOR, he also celebrates Christmas and used the image of cross until his death in 1916 whereas all these have become unscriptural practices among Jehovah's Witnesses today.

So in what way is Charles Taze Russell the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses organization?

Thanks for your time!

You’ve not answered my questions and you are asking me questions. Something is wrong with your brain!

Answer all the questions I have been asking you since and I’ll answers yours. You think you can use diversion technique?

Be a man, answer my questions

advocatejare:
You’ve not answered my questions and you are asking me questions. Something is wrong with your brain! Answer all the questions I have been asking you since and I’ll answers yours. You think you can use diversion technique? Be a man, answer my questions

Whose brain is disturbed now?

Is it me who is substantiating what FOUNDER means or you who is irrationally agitating over what you don't grasp?

Ọmọ keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

Instead of humbly learning from Jehovah's Witnesses you're crying all over Nairaland.

Most of you people are worshipers of the gods of the founders of your different religions that's why your teachings and doctrines always contradicts one another yet you people are claiming believers in one man Jesus who prayed for all his disciples to have the same line of thought on doctrines! John 17:22

WHY?

Because all of you have human founders not Jesus so instead of readjusting your beliefs and practices to conform to Jesus' thoughts words and actions you people are focusing on the lifestyles of your human founders. So you think Jehovah's Witnesses are doing the same!

MaxInDHouse:
He is deceiving himself, that's why i ignored him.
First of all he needs to tell me the founder of his own church, then the life history of the person in question then his questions will be answered satisfactorily.

Of course you're not neutral as you claim since you're not interested in knowing who the founder of his own religion is rather you're just interested in rumours.

The founder of any group means someone on whose thoughts, words and deeds a group is formed so even after such a person has died the legacy will remain as the foundation of the group but in this case your friend is saying something and i want to help you all to see that he's mistaking just to discover that you're not sincere in your findings.

Charles Taze Russell was a member of a group formed in the late 19th century this group was dedicated to finding out how Christianity supposed to be practiced since there are countless religious sects all claiming they're Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. He became the president or Chairman of that group because the American government doesn't recognize any group without a spokesman and ever since then the group kept making research on the lifestyle, ministry, thoughts, words and actions of a first century Jewish young carpenter named Jesus of Nazareth whatever they discovered or concluded after a thorough research on the scriptures will lead to adjustments in their beliefs.

That's why i keep asking advocatejare to tell us the founder of his own church because i know for sure that he doesn't understand the meaning of that word "FOUNDER" he's just following whatever people say.

So if the teachings and doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses organization keep changing based on what we found in the scriptures regarding the life history, ministry, thoughts, words and actions of Jesus of Nazareth then how do you think Charles Taze Russell who was just a member or spokesperson of the research group the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Are the teachings and doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses based on the life history, ministry, thoughts words and actions of Charles Taze Russell or that of Jesus of Nazareth?

For your information Charles Taze Russell do celebrate his birthday, he was bearing the title PASTOR, he also celebrates Christmas and used the image of cross until his death in 1916 whereas all these have become unscriptural practices among Jehovah's Witnesses today.

So in what way is Charles Taze Russell the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses organization?

Thanks for your time!

Did he come here proclaiming his denomination/sect/organization etc is the best? No. Since you made that declaration then you should defend it. Its very simple. If he comes and says so, my sect is da bomb, then we'll have to examine his claim

MaxInDHouse:
Whose brain is disturbed now?

Is it me who is substantiating what FOUNDER means or you who is irrationally agitating over what you don't grasp?

Ọmọ keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

It is you who is ashamed of the life your useless founder lived that is not worthy of emulating

jaephoenix:
Did he come here proclaiming his denomination/sect/organization etc is the best? No. Since you made that declaration then you should defend it. Its very simple. If he comes and says so, my sect is da bomb, then we'll have to examine his claim

What has this got to do with the fact that the man he's referring to is not the founder of our group?

Ọmọ sincerity is required to solve this matter not just trying to be biased simply because we are saying what our founder said in the first century {John 14:6} which led all Jewish sects back then to hate him and his disciples! John 17:14

We are the one and only true Christian group as FOUNDED by Jesus who is called CHRIST.

That's what your friend is trying really hard to dodge by raising irrelevant questions about a 19th century man (Charles Taze Russell) who isn't the founder of our group!

advocatejare:
It is you who is ashamed of the life your useless FOUNDER lived that is not worthy of emulating

Funny churchgoer!

Russell who never knew about the name of our group is the founder shey?

Kumuyi founded Deeperlife, Akindayomi founded RCCG, Oyedepo founded Winners Chapel, Olukoya founded MFM, Oyakilome founded Christ Embassy, TB Joshua founded Synagogue, Babalola founded C.A.C., Oshoffa founded Cele, Orimolade founded Cherubim and Seraphim, Mouka founded Lord chosen.
All these founders named their foundation but in the case of Charles Taze Russell he didn't even know about the name Jehovah's Witnesses.
So can he be the founder?

MaxInDHouse:
What has this got to do with the fact that the man he's referring to is not the founder of our group?

Ọmọ sincerity is required to solve this matter not just trying to be biased simply because we are saying what our founder said in the first century {John 14:6} which led all Jewish sects back then to hate him and his disciples! John 17:14

We are the one and only true Christian group as FOUNDED by Jesus who is called CHRIST.

That's what your friend is trying really hard to dodge by raising irrelevant questions about a 19th century man (Charles Taze Russell) who isn't the founder of our group!

Ok. I found this online.

Jehovah's Witnesses started in 1870 when Charles Taze Russell led Bible studies in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The Jehovah's Witnesses movement came out of the Bible Student movement, also founded by Russell. When he started to dispute some traditional Christian views, the Jehovah's Witnesses were born.
Now if you claim, your group was founded by Jesus Christ, can we have proof to that effect?
Hope you know many denominations claim their groups were founded by the same Jesus Christ dude, yet they haven't provided any evidence to that effect.
Now if you declare he founded yours, then we need evidence since he was rumored to have died centuries ago

MaxInDHouse:
Funny churchgoer!

Russell who never knew about the name of our group is the founder shey?

Kumuyi founded Deeperlife, Akindayomi founded RCCG, Oyedepo founded Winners Chapel, Olukoya founded MFM, Oyakilome founded Christ Embassy, TB Joshua founded Synagogue, Babalola founded C.A.C., Oshoffa founded Cele, Orimolade founded Cherubim and Seraphim, Mouka founded Lord chosen.
All these founders named their foundation but in the case of Charles Taze Russell he didn't even know about the name Jehovah's Witnesses.
So can he be the founder?

Actually, you're wrong.
A dude named Rutherford took over from Taze after years of a 'bloody civil war' and named it.
At a convention at Columbus, Ohio on July 26, 1931, Rutherford made a psychological break with the large number of disaffected Bible Students by proposing the adoption of the name Jehovah's witnesses, based on the scripture at Isaiah 43:10, "Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord"
So you see, your organization was founded and named by a human, unlike your claim

jaephoenix:
Ok. I found this online.
Jehovah's Witnesses started in 1870 when Charles Taze Russell led Bible studies in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The Jehovah's Witnesses movement came out of the Bible Student movement, also founded by Russell. When he started to dispute some traditional Christian views, the Jehovah's Witnesses were born.
Now if you claim, your group was founded by Jesus Christ, can we have proof to that effect?
Hope you know many denominations claim their groups were founded by the same Jesus Christ dude, yet they haven't provided any evidence to that effect.
Now if you declare he founded yours, then we need evidence since he was rumored to have died centuries ago

Now you're talking!

Charles Taze Russell was a member of that research group called International Bible Students Association (IBSA) he was made their spokesperson and president because he declared all his assets and gave it all for the work the group was doing that's what led to the trouble he had with his wife who thought it supposed to be a money making venture to enrich the family!

Now back to the matter of founder!

There are many religions all claiming followers of Jesus of Nazareth but Jesus himself said it's by their FRUITS that you will IDENTIFY them {Matthew 7:16} note that the human founders of each sect stands in position of the prophet whose legacy those groups are following {Matthew 7:15} therefore if any group claims they are following Jesus of Nazareth all you need to do is find out what was the aim and objective of Jesus the founder of Christianity?

Some 600 years before the birth of Jesus two Jewish prophets foretold God's plans which will lead to the destruction of all evildoers on this planet {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} through this plan a global family of peace loving worshipers will emerge as adherents of the God of Abraham, they will all speak in harmony as if they're speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9

So when Jesus walked this planet he commissioned a movement that will go throughout the earth in gathering peace loving people {Act 1:8} by teaching them all what he commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} regarding love for humanity in general: LOVE
For neighbours! Mark 12 31
For fellow believers! John 13:34-35; 15:12-13
For haters! Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-28

Therefore if any sect or religion claims they are practicing what Jesus taught they should be able to PRODUCE this FRUIT everywhere they go to prove that Jesus is truly working with them! Matthew 28:20

Since 1914 the IBSA has been declaring that Jesus has returned as a mighty spirit King and is now working with them.

Where is the proof?

They were practicing Christianity the same way all other groups were doing until that year but from then they began making adjustments as if someone is making corrections in what they believe and gradually many who can't cope with all the adjustments started leaving to form their own religions claiming they belong to the popular American Pastor Russell.
So there are many groups that came out from the IBSA but those who stood firm during the adjustments became another religion totally different from all the others and by the year 1931 they adopted that new group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Only this group has achieved what Jesus said regarding his future disciples today in line with what God planned as written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3


That's why i keep saying only Jehovah's Witnesses are truly following Jesus Christ!

jaephoenix:
Actually, you're wrong.
A dude named Rutherford took over from Taze after years of a 'bloody civil war' and named it.
At a convention at Columbus, Ohio on July 26, 1931, Rutherford made a psychological break with the large number of disaffected Bible Students by proposing the adoption of the name Jehovah's witnesses, based on the scripture at Isaiah 43:10, "Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord"
So you see, your organization was founded and named by a human, unlike your claim

Ọmọ God has never spoken to unbelievers about how his worshipers should be called nah!

It's from the mouth of His worshipers that you should find out what they're to be called not the other way around.

So Joseph Rutherford pronounced it but it's JEHOVAH that put it in his mouth that's why only this group has been able to achieve what God promised regarding His worshipers in the last days! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

MaxInDHouse:
Funny churchgoer!

Russell who never knew about the name of our group is the founder shey?

Kumuyi founded Deeperlife, Akindayomi founded RCCG, Oyedepo founded Winners Chapel, Olukoya founded MFM, Oyakilome founded Christ Embassy, TB Joshua founded Synagogue, Babalola founded C.A.C., Oshoffa founded Cele, Orimolade founded Cherubim and Seraphim, Mouka founded Lord chosen.
All these founders named their foundation but in the case of Charles Taze Russell he didn't even know about the name Jehovah's Witnesses.
So can he be the founder?

Hehehehe, it has gotten to the point where you will disown your founder.

Now tell us who is your founder ?

Who is Russel?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ God has never spoken to unbelievers about how his worshipers should be called nah!

It's from the mouth of His worshipers that you should find out what they're to be called not the other way around.

So Joseph Rutherford pronounced it but it's JEHOVAH that put it in his mouth that's why only this group has been able to achieve what God promised regarding His worshipers in the last days! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

the people he meant where those obeying his commandments...

not those worshipping an idol...

so you are way off the mark..

advocatejare:
Hehehehe, it has gotten to the point where you will disown your founder.
Now tell us who is your founder ?
Who is Russel?

Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

sonmvayina:
the people he meant where those obeying his commandments... not those worshipping an idol... so you are way off the mark..

And what's the essence of COMMANDMENTS?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ God has never spoken to unbelievers about how his worshipers should be called nah!

It's from the mouth of His worshipers that you should find out what they're to be called not the other way around.

So Joseph Rutherford pronounced it but it's JEHOVAH that put it in his mouth that's why only this group has been able to achieve what God promised regarding His worshipers in the last days! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Same way 'Jehovah' gave Kumuyi, Adekoya etc the inspiration to name their churches. You claim the same shit every 'churchgoer' says, all without a shred of evidence

MaxInDHouse:
Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

The chief of denials

jaephoenix:
Same way 'Jehovah' gave Kumuyi, Adekoya etc the inspiration to name their churches. You claim the same shit every 'churchgoer' says, all without a shred of evidence

So it's Kumuyi who named his own Deeperlife as founder nah!
How is Charles Taze Russell the founder when he knew nothing about the name we bear now?

advocatejare:
The chief of denials

OK nah you're tired typing of long story shey?

Funny people!

An atheist posted almost 14 lengthy epistles to disqualify the Bible and rubbish all it's adherents, no member of Christendom churches has come to address the issue but he no longer have interest in his own topic only to start worrying over the rumor a member of Christendom brought up against another group.

Ọmọ wahala dey for Okpoko!

MaxInDHouse:
OK nah you're tired typing of long story shey?

No. I’m only tired of dignifying a dishonorable nincompoop with long write up, we shall continue when you have answered my questions

MaxInDHouse:
So it's Kumuyi who named his own Deeperlife as founder nah!
How is Charles Taze Russell the founder when he knew nothing about the name we bear now?

Rutherford named your denomination just like Kumuyi named his.
By the way, change of name doesn't mean its a different organization. International Bible Students changed its name to Jehovah Witness. And both names were given by mere mortals. You'll have to do better, bro

MaxInDHouse:
Funny people!

An atheist posted almost 14 lengthy epistles to disqualify the Bible and rubbish all it's adherents, no member of Christendom churches has come to address the issue but he no longer have interest in his own topic only to start worrying over the rumor a member of Christendom brought up against another group.

Ọmọ wahala dey for Okpoko!

Nobody was interested in addressing the topic. Even you weren't interested in addressing it. I just got disinterested in the thread. Instead you theists have derailed it so I had mo choice than to follow suit. But if u r still interested in discussing it, by all means do

MaxInDHouse:
Funny people!An atheist posted almost 14 lengthy epistles to disqualify the Bible and rubbish all it's adherents, no member of Christendom churches has come to address the issue but he no longer have interest in his own topic only to start worrying over the rumor a member of Christendom brought up against another group.
Ọmọ wahala dey for Okpoko!

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

Christendom. / (ˈkrɪsəndəm) / noun. the collective body of Christians throughout the world or throughout history. an obsolete word for Christianity.


lost false jw mad max

no member of the Christian churches/of Christianity, have come to address the issue,
but you false jw have come to address the issue

non christian false jw's
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

Christendom. / (ˈkrɪsəndəm) / noun. the collective body of Christians throughout the world or throughout history. an obsolete word for Christianity.


lost false jw mad max

no member of the Christian churches/of Christianity, have come to address the issue,
but you false jw have come to address the issue

non christian false jw's
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

But Yahweh said he created evil. Or haven't you read it?
Isaiah 45:7
King James Version
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

MaxInDHouse:
lifestyle, ministry, thoughts, words and actions of a first century Jewish young carpenter named Jesus of Nazareth m

Lol, this just makes me laugh the way it’s written.

jaephoenix:
But Yahweh said he created evil. Or haven't you read it?
Isaiah 45:7
King James Version
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

and what has that to do with my post on the meaning of the word "Christendom"

johnw47:
and what has that to do with my post on the meaning of the word "Christendom"

You said this…
You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
… implying non christians and JWs behave like the devil who possesses evil characteristics like lying, murdering etc.
So I just reminded you that Yahweh actually created evil.
No hard feelings bro

jaephoenix:
You said this…
You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
… implying non christians and JWs behave like the devil who possesses evil characteristics like lying, murdering etc.
So I just reminded you that Yahweh actually created evil.
No hard feelings bro

if Yahweh bought evil on non christians and false jw's, then good,
He will eventually destroy them to, and not too soon