Ritchiee:

Are you saying that the people..Yorubas...that were doing movies,films,cinemas before the video cassettes arrived were not doing it for commercial purposes?
You mean they are doing it without making money from it by selling them in one form or the other.
Hubert Ogunde,Afolayan,Moses Olaiya etc did not do any other work except producing movies,films,cinemas and they were making enough money for themselves,family and nation from it.They were professionals.

When video cassettes came and Igbos recorded movies into them,it means that they pioneered the movie industry in Nigeria which is called Nollywood,.abi?

Is that not dumb?

Okay,where are your video cassettes now?


Does that mean that your video cassettes Nollywood is dead remaining the Yoruba cinema,films etc Nollywood?

By streaming now,Yorubas have pioneered another Nollywood

Dumbness at its peak!

Very very dumb!

Irony1:


Oga how many copies were produced and sold you claimed one was produced in 1981 the same time rhat VHS cassettes were existing so clearly there was data on the number of copied sold and who were the marketers. You don't go to imdb, which is a database to catalog movies whether motion picture or not and use them as a statement. Please answer these my questions, if house don't have any answer then you have nothing to back your argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8t8Ap5L0e8&pp=ygULSWphIG9taW5pcmE%3D

Was this a stage play?

Waoooo. Can't believe this post can get to page 20.

I don't think we need all these unnecessary arguements. There are better things we still need to explore.

With my little knowledge in history. In entertainment; yorubas are the pioneers while my Igbo brothers are modifiers.

Pa Awolowo established the first TV station in the whole of West Africa known as WNTV in Ibadan.

I'm not sure most of us are aware that the pioneer of Cable TV in Nigeria is a Northerner. And that was in 1991.

Hubert Ogunde popularised Theater arts in Nigeria.
The "first Nigerian home video" Oorun Moru. It was produced in 1982. And during this era I'm not sure there is any movie or artists from the eastern or northern part of Nigeria like Baba sale, Ogunde, ishow pepper, pa ogunmola etc.
For some of us arguing about nollywood, movies have been produced before that word 'nollywood'.

Living in bondage actually changed the movie industry in Nigeria due to its wide distribution. And that was the point Aisha actually mentioned that the yorubas didn't get it at some point.

To my Igbo brothers like Igbokwe, Lagos prince et al arguing over commercialisation or popularity. This is the point you actually missed which I will explain below:
Now we all agreed that Yorubas pioneer acting in Nigeria. But the igbos commercialised and popularised the movie industry in Nigeria through consistent production and distribution. This is what helped and what helped was 'English Language'. Igbos and sout South dominated the VHS era just as a poster mentioned the three eras of the movie industry in Nigeria.
The pioneers who were yorubas were actually projecting the Yoruba cultures. They told our stories in yorubas even the whites who didn't understand our language then were entertained.

The yorubas couldn't dominate the VHS era due to language barrier. And then yorubas and the few hausas in entertainment back then don't really do it
to get rich but just because they have the passion for it.
In summary , yorubas are the pioneers of the Nigeria movie industry right from the theatre era but the igbos popularise Nollywood in Nigeria and beyond. Even the first movie on Netflix was produced by an Igbo lady.

And currently Yorubas are dominating the movie industry in this era of video streaming.

Irony1:


Dude stop being stupid abeg. These guys were only doing movies for the TV stations and for theater and stage plays it was never commercial motion pictures. I have been asking you these questions and no one seems to answer at least from late 70s we had video cassettes please name one Yoruba movie that was a block buster, name the year it was released and the number of copies sold and the marketers of this video. None of you so far have been able to provide this answer. You guys are jumping everywhere.

Was this also a stage play?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KodSVGzqlQ?si=WakenpUYT_bASSRe

yahoodetector:


What year did Television technology enter your yorubaland? I patiently await your answer!

Entered Yoruba land or the whole of Nigeria or even the whole of West Africa?

HBB1:


So Hollywood started before VHS, yeah?

With Cinema right?

So who started cinemas in Nigeria and who even made the first films?

Yes, but what you understand as cinemas today wasn't what cinemas were back in the 70s. Back then, cinemas were venues for watching stage plays and theatrical performances. I'm not saying that there were no motion pictures at the time but these films were typically owned and controlled by TV networks. Hollywood revolutionized this space and started broadcasting films on reels nationwide in cinemas.

There have always been motion pictures like Charlie Chaplin's shows broadcasted on network TVs, however, these were not Hollywood movies. Hollywood's ingenuity lay in the commercialization of the movie industry, which gave rise to independent motion-picture studios across Hollywood, LA. They established a production and distribution network capable of global scalability.

This same innovation is what led to the birth of Nollywood. Fortunately, the advent of VHS cassettes made the commercialization of production and distribution of Nigerian movies more accessible.

Freethinker87:


Yes, but what you understand as cinemas today wasn't what cinemas were back in the 70s. Back then, cinemas were venues for watching stage plays and theatrical performances. I'm not saying that there were no motion pictures at the time but these films were typically owned and controlled by TV networks. Hollywood revolutionized this space and started broadcasting films on reels nationwide in cinemas.

There have always been motion pictures like Charlie Chaplin's shows broadcasted on network TVs, however, these were not Hollywood movies. Hollywood's ingenuity lay in the commercialization of the movie industry, which gave rise to independent motion-picture studios across Hollywood, LA. They established a production and distribution network capable of global scalability.

This same innovation is what led to the birth of Nollywood. Fortunately, the advent of VHS cassettes made the commercialization of production and distribution of Nigerian movies more accessible.

Sorry, this is not making sense.

There is Theatre-- for plays.

There is also Cinema-- for films.

It has been so for at least a 100 years.

It has also been so in Nigeria.

You have mentioned TV networks owned Cinemas...

Can you give examples?

...and you say Charlie Chaplin's films were not Hollywood movies?
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Even though his films were in Cinemas?

So what was it?

Commercialization, commercialization that?

What do you mean by commercialization?

Wasn't Hollywood commercialized when they had films only in Cinemas


Again I say, you are not making sense

HBB1:



Was this also a stage play?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KodSVGzqlQ?si=WakenpUYT_bASSRe

Oga stop being dense this film was never a commercial motion picture and it is a stage plays adaptation dude

HBB1:


Sorry, this is not making sense.

There is Theatre-- for plays.

There is also Cinema-- for films.

It has been so for at least a 100 years.

It has also been so in Nigeria.

You have mentioned TV networks owned Cinemas...

Can you give examples?

...and you say Charlie Chaplin's films were not Hollywood movies?
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Even though his films were in Cinemas?

So what was it?

Commercialization, commercialization that?

What do you mean by commercialization?

Wasn't Hollywood commercialized when they had films only in Cinemas


Again I say, you are not making sense

Oga they were not bro. Of they were Charlie chaplain would have gotten an Oscar nomination.

akpumping7720:
Waoooo. Can't believe this post can get to page 20.

I don't think we need all these unnecessary arguements. There are better things we still need to explore.

With my little knowledge in history. In entertainment; yorubas are the pioneers while my Igbo brothers are modifiers.

Pa Awolowo established the first TV station in the whole of West Africa known as WNTV in Ibadan.

I'm not sure most of us are aware that the pioneer of Cable TV in Nigeria is a Northerner. And that was in 1991.

Hubert Ogunde popularised Theater arts in Nigeria.
The "first Nigerian home video" Oorun Moru. It was produced in 1982. And during this era I'm not sure there is any movie or artists from the eastern or northern part of Nigeria like Baba sale, Ogunde, ishow pepper, pa ogunmola etc.
For some of us arguing about nollywood, movies have been produced before that word 'nollywood'.

Living in bondage actually changed the movie industry in Nigeria due to its wide distribution. And that was the point Aisha actually mentioned that the yorubas didn't get it at some point.

To my Igbo brothers like Igbokwe, Lagos prince et al arguing over commercialisation or popularity. This is the point you actually missed which I will explain below:
Now we all agreed that Yorubas pioneer acting in Nigeria. But the igbos commercialised and popularised the movie industry in Nigeria through consistent production and distribution. This is what helped and what helped was 'English Language'. Igbos and sout South dominated the VHS era just as a poster mentioned the three eras of the movie industry in Nigeria.
The pioneers who were yorubas were actually projecting the Yoruba cultures. They told our stories in yorubas even the whites who didn't understand our language then were entertained.

The yorubas couldn't dominate the VHS era due to language barrier. And then yorubas and the few hausas in entertainment back then don't really do it
to get rich but just because they have the passion for it.
In summary , yorubas are the pioneers of the Nigeria movie industry right from the theatre era but the igbos popularise Nollywood in Nigeria and beyond. Even the first movie on Netflix was produced by an Igbo lady.

And currently Yorubas are dominating the movie industry in this era of video streaming.

Oga the argument is that the commercial motion picture which we know as nollywood is pioneered by Yoruba which is a big lie. It was pioneered by igbos with Living in Bondage. Theater and stage plays were pioneered by Yorubas.

HBB1:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8t8Ap5L0e8&pp=ygULSWphIG9taW5pcmE%3D

Was this a stage play?

Oga this is a stage play adaptation, it doesn't have to be set in a theater
Also note this was not a commercial movie. So you people should stop twisting facts. I have asked countless times since these movies were produced as you claim in the 70s and 80s at the time when VHS cassettes were in vogue, how many copies were sold and who were the marketers? These are the questions none of you can answer. Also please stop confusing Yoruba movies shown on NTA channel 7 as commercial movies

Irony1:


Oga this is a stage play adaptation, it doesn't have to be set in a theater
Also note this was not a commercial movie. So you people should stop twisting facts. I have asked countless times since these movies were produced as you claim in the 70s and 80s at the time when VHS cassettes were in vogue, how many copies were sold and who were the marketers? These are the questions none of you can answer. Also please stop confusing Yoruba movies shown on NTA channel 7 as commercial movies

You are not making any sense and I only feel sorry for you.


So if Macbeth is made into Film, it is no longer a Movie?

Or a film like the King's Horseman is not a movie because Wole Soyinka wrote it?

How can this make sense to you?

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My Gawd!

...and why is it not a commercial movie ( or whatever that term means)?

Was it done for free?
Did people pay money to see it?

'Commercial movies?'

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Where did the guy come from?


Again, how am I supposed to know how many copies a Nigerian film made in the 70s sold or who distributed it?

How many copies did Fela's Songs sell?
Or Oliver de Coque or Epo Akara?

Who cares!

Irony1:


Oga they were not bro. Of they were Charlie chaplain would have gotten an Oscar nomination.

I thought I was arguing with someone sensible...

Charlie Chaplin did not make films?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I give up now, I will only lose more brain cells.


...about Oscars, what is this then?

FreeStuffsNG:


https://tribuneonlineng.com/yorubas-started-nollywood-own-it-aisha-lawal-actress-and-scriptwriter/

Yes correct! But the p*tnstars later hijacked it and make it look like a p*rn movie

Geminiivory:


Most educated murons you mean. Nonsense.. Tribe wey no get sense at all.. Others ve seen you all in your foolishness. So keep that fake slogan to yourself. Sophisticated mumu people

Your descendants will never have sense. I’m sure you came from a family of retardedd family members. You Stink, your whole tribesmen stink. You father should have used withdrawal method rather than produce an idiot like himself into the world.

HBB1:


I thought I was arguing with someone sensible...

Charlie Chaplin did not make films?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I give up now, I will only lose more brain cells.


...about Oscars, what is this then?

You are very stupid. Even at that Charlie chaplains awards were honorary name the films which he received an Oscar. See don't divert the topic, igbos are the pioneers of nollywood if it is too much for you swallow you can swim in the lagoon.

HBB1:



You are not making any sense and I only feel sorry for you.


So if Macbeth is made into Film, it is no longer a Movie?

Or a film like the King's Horseman is not a movie because Wole Soyinka wrote it?

How can this make sense to you?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

My Gawd!

...and why is it not a commercial movie ( or whatever that term means)?

Was it done for free?
Did people pay money to see it?

'Commercial movies?'

🤣🤣🤣🤣


Where did the guy come from?


Again, how am I supposed to know how many copies a Nigerian film made in the 70s sold or who distributed it?

How many copies did Fela's Songs sell?
Or Oliver de Coque or Epo Akara?

Who cares!

Oga once again you don't have sense and you are plain daft. Nollywood is commercial motion picture and it is igbos that are the pioneers if it is too much for you jump into the lagoon. See I can do this all day with you.

Read this so that you will be cured of your dense behavior

https://www.legit.ng/1190518-brief-history-nollywood.html

HBB1:


I thought I was arguing with someone sensible...

Charlie Chaplin did not make films?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I give up now, I will only lose more brain cells.


...about Oscars, what is this then?

https://www.legit.ng/1190518-brief-history-nollywood.html
You had no brain cells in the first place not to talk of losing them. The crux of the matter is that Nollywood is classed as commercial motion picture where people pay and buy rental copies to watch them. I have told you guys to present data on the number of copies sold for the Yoruba films you claim preceeded Living in Bondage and up till now you have no answer, you want to play smart man when you have no brain cells ..
I 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

HBB1:


I thought I was arguing with someone sensible...

Charlie Chaplin did not make films?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I give up now, I will only lose more brain cells.


...about Oscars, what is this then?

Read this and stop being dense. Maybe you need supplements to have brain cells created for you.


https://www.legit.ng/1190518-brief-history-nollywood.html

Irony1:


Oga once again you don't have sense and you are plain daft. Nollywood is commercial motion picture and it is igbos that are the pioneers if it is too much for you jump into the lagoon. See I can do this all day with you.

Read this so that you will be cured of your dense behavior

https://www.legit.ng/1190518-brief-history-nollywood.html

Alaye go bring excerpt from blog to form argument..!

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My Gawd!

You daft o!


'Commercial motion picture?'

Did you cram that somewhere too?


Which motion picture was not commercial before?
Where they doing it for free?

You don drop Hollywood and Charlie Chaplin too?

This your reasoning is quite concerning sha--No aim, no sense, no point.

Irony1:


Read this and stop being dense. Maybe you need supplements to have brain cells created for you.


https://www.legit.ng/1190518-brief-history-nollywood.html

What is there to read?

Irony1:


You are very stupid. Even at that Charlie chaplains awards were honorary name the films which he received an Oscar. See don't divert the topic, igbos are the pioneers of nollywood if it is too much for you swallow you can swim in the lagoon.

I did not divert the topic, you brought up Chaplin, didn't you?

You said he never made films and never got any nominations?

Why would I jump in a lagoon?

You are the one acting like who wants to?

You are the one who jumped on this thread and has gone beserk, abi no be so?

HBB1:


I did not divert the topic, you brought up Chaplin, didn't you?

You said he never made films and never got any nominations?

Why would I jump in a lagoon?

You are the one acting like who wants to?

You are the one who jumped on this thread and has gone beserk, abi no be so?

How? Bro calm down and read the link i gave you, why you dey fear?

Freethinker87:


Yes, but what you understand as cinemas today wasn't what cinemas were back in the 70s. Back then, cinemas were venues for watching stage plays and theatrical performances. I'm not saying that there were no motion pictures at the time but these films were typically owned and controlled by TV networks. Hollywood revolutionized this space and started broadcasting films on reels nationwide in cinemas.

There have always been motion pictures like Charlie Chaplin's shows broadcasted on network TVs, however, these were not Hollywood movies. Hollywood's ingenuity lay in the commercialization of the movie industry, which gave rise to independent motion-picture studios across Hollywood, LA. They established a production and distribution network capable of global scalability.

This same innovation is what led to the birth of Nollywood. Fortunately, the advent of VHS cassettes made the commercialization of production and distribution of Nigerian movies more accessible.

lol
I am beginning to get down to your understanding now.
Either it is due to brain or pretense,I cannot really decipher.
Let me remind you that it is not the day a baby is born that it begins to walk or even crawl.It takes stages.
If you give birth to a child and train him up to when he begins to crawl.
Your relative later takes him and trains him up to when he begins to walk and even does what adults can do.Does it mean that it is that relative that gave birth to him?
No,of course not.
It is you.You pioneered him.
Not your relative but he helped in bringing him up.

When movies started in Nigeria,it was only the Yorubas....maybe 20 million people...that were involved as Nigerians but later the Igbos joined in the 80s...maybe another 20 million people,making it 40 million.
The meaning of this is that the commercial market of movies has expanded.
Hausas later joined and the market became larger that it was before.It is now valued at around 6.4 billion dollars this 2023.

It was not even up to 1 million dollar when the Yorubas started it then and a lot of Nigerians involved now we're not participating because it was new.

The understanding is that Yorubas pioneered the movie industry in Nigeria.... Nollywood (it was a US movie analyst that gave our movie industry Nollywood just in tandem with Hollywood and Bollywood).
They were making money according to the period.


Igbos later joined by massively putting the movies on video cassettes thereby greatly enlarging the commercial power of the movie industry.

Hausa later joined thereby making it the second highest movie industry in the world.

All thanks to the number.The population of Nigeria...the 3 major tribes and our other hardworking minority tribes brought Nigeria movie industry to the level it is now and it is going to be better,larger and we will surely be the best in the world.

Adjovi:


Nollywood is growing kudos to both Yorubas and Igbos and hausas and other people in the industry. Nollywood is a Nigerian thingy, we are Nigerians so why are we trying to segregate each other ? It's not necessary really

so is Nigeria just hausa Igbo Yoruba?? Or u don't know we have over 400 tribes??... The Lady gave a comment why are some Igbos acting like steal their heritage insulting pple...?? Has anyone denied nollywood being a Nigerian thing... But what the lady Said is 100 percent ok...

Adjovi:




I'm a Yoruba boy by the way. I'm just perplexed by the comments of people both Yoruba and Igbos.

u should be perplexed by those arrogant Igbos trying to shade a honest comment... No need trying to be neutral here some ll still insult u especially how they insulted Yorubas cos their cheap Peter Obi didn't win president when it was clear it's either tinubu APC or Atiku PDP that had a greater chance to win... Pple who assume na Dem gud pass everyone...

akpumping7720:

Entered Yoruba land or the whole of Nigeria or even the whole of West Africa?

You saw my question clearly and you are still asking me...

I asked when did television enter yorubaland?

The person the question is meant for is now as silent as a Love Machine

Padipadi:

Look I m not here to play with you, Almiron the morøn, WritersNG, WritersNig, Racoon, AntiChristian (that one na janjaweêd that needs deliverance), Llordspy and co. If I remember anyone, I ll update.
Make una take time!

Na me be that right?

Omoawoke2:

Your descendants will never have sense. I’m sure you came from a family of retardedd family members. You Stink, your whole tribesmen stink. You father should have used withdrawal method rather than produce an idiot like himself into the world.

😆.. Sophicated morons cum bunch of hypocrites/ chameleons

Geminiivory:


😆.. my father is a useless Sophicated slowpoke. My family members are cum bunch of hypocrites/ chameleons. I am half imbecilee half normal. A total failure in life and disgrace to my entire lineage

It is well

yahoodetector:


You saw my question clearly and you are still asking me...

I asked when did television enter yorubaland?

The person the question is meant for is now as silent as a Love Machine

Bros television entered the whole of West Africa in 1959. And the first television station was established in Yoruba land. So the yorubas who can afford a TV set has been watching television before other regions in Nigeria.

Irony1:


Oga the argument is that the commercial motion picture which we know as nollywood is pioneered by Yoruba which is a big lie. It was pioneered by igbos with Living in Bondage. Theater and stage plays were pioneered by Yorubas.

Commercialisation didn't start with Living in Bondage. Get your facts right please. Movies have been produced and sold on VHS before Living in Bondage.
The first movie produced on video in Nigeria was Soso Meji by Ade Ajiboye. But below is an excerpt from the internet:
"Living in Bondage was released in 1992 and is credited as revolutionizing the distribution model of Nigerian films."
Movies have been produced and sold in Nigeria before Living in Bondage. But living in bondage birthed the distribution model of Nigerian films.