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gisevak:
We are talking about supernatural. The question is why do we dream?

You dream because your brain says so. When you sleep some part of your brain like RAS(Reticular Activating System) switches off and some other parts take over

gisevak:
Is this your scientific proof or explanation on why we dream?
Do you know that supernatural is a concept that is attributed to some forces that is beyond scientific proofs or laws?

Are you aware rain, thunder, flood, sickle cell disease, Infertility etc were at one point attributed to supernatural causes?

gisevak:
Don't you think we lack of appropriate information to reject supernatural does not exits?

Consciousness is supernatural and metaphysical by virtue of it existing outside the natural and physical world.
does science has scientific proof for conciousness?
Can you prove that conciousness is natural?

What do you mean by 'consciousness'? I have my own definition based on my profession and it may be different from your own definition. So define 'consciousness'

Knowledge23:
in the world? There are about 3700 religions and Gods out there being worshipped but yours happen to be the correct one, how lucky of you. Do you know how many denominations the Christian faith has? I bet you don’t, it about 40,000 denominations (go Google it). So being born a Christian isn’t enough you still have to push your luck further and make sure you’re born into the right denomination or you risk hell fire (more fiction). I hope you’re in the right sect otherwise this would have been for nothing.

It’s all superstition to believe a man was made of mud, the whole world was created from nothing but the incoming woman had to be cloned from a rib bone and a talking snake (seriously?) deceived this woman to eat some fruit which made us all sinners … the story is out rightly comical, might as well have been written by a circus clown, that’s how funny it is if you had grown to the age of 19 and this story was presented to you for the first time. But since it was told to you since infancy you take it as true. If you step outside your dogma you might even notice how silly it is even right now.

If I told you that a donkey spoke to me you would instantly conclude that I’m crazy or you’ll ask to see the donkey yourself for evidence, hence you dismissed me on some rational grounds. But the minute you read it from the bible, rationality goes straight out the window and you believe in talking snakes and donkeys. So you believe in an ancient book written by ancient goat herders without evidence rather than your own critical reasoning.

It’s also superstition when washing of sins needs a human sacrifice (I’m talking of human ritual), nailing someone to a cross to remove sins is actually human ritual, which is what your God practices. Also it’s stupid to feel that one act can affect the other, how can the death of someone on a cross affect the cleansing of sin? What’s the correlation? This requires ignorant gullible people to believe, as a rational mind cant process the depth of foolishness involved to accept this as fact.

You called me gullible. Biggest laugh I’ve had in a long while. How is it that I’m the gullible one? You’re the one who believes ridiculous things like a girl supposedly a virgin magically delivers a baby boy by way surrogacy, this baby happens to be the son of God, this son also happens to be God himself also (talking about trinity, do you know the whole trinity thing and resurrection was only recently added to the bible by some monks less than a thousand years ago, it wasn’t there before). He died to wash away sin yet people still sin till this very day, how pathetic. How else do you define gullibility other than a bunch of people giving their money to a self-acclaimed minister of God for him to read from a book you all have a copy of once a week.

Nigeria loses over 20 percent of its internally and externally generated revenue to pastors who fleece more than 40 percent of the population with tax-free returns. Imagine billions of naira being lost all around the nation every Sunday, if these monies were diversified elsewhere we would be in the same league with irreligious countries like Japan, Sweden, Denmark etc. all their monies circulates within the economy and they just keep prospering. Our economy is being raped in the guise of religion.

Religion is make-believe.

Science is evidence-based.

Why don’t we see pastors in hospitals healing people in droves and emptying clinics off their patients? We see only doctors there using equipment and apparatuses provided by science because prayers won’t heal (forget the show you see on TV) you need drugs provided by science despite having faith as huge as a mountain in your choice deity. Since you like make-believe so much then just remain encased in your cocoon called religion and dream on. Zero advantage to be derived from it in the real world.

I don’t blame people like you and how you view the world because science is hard so why not believe the most simplistic tailor-made answer; Genesis 1:1 God create the heavens and the earth. Period. Ponder no more. Now, you don’t need to bother about finding out about “Abiogenesis” which is a tougher story to digest, no need to read heaps of science books, rather stick to that book written to keep you deluded for life.

God didn’t create man.

Man created God.

Man created god to explain away all the difficult questions.

Imagine 5000 years ago, a prehistoric man sees lightning zipping across the sky and even this lightning to his bewilderment strikes trees and causes fire. He had no explanation for this, so he begins to revere lightning, next he begins to worship trees struck by lightning, he worships rivers, rocks, sculptures and calls it God. Now, he passes this practice his sons and daughters, who also passes it on to their sons and daughters and now it has been passed to you through the ages (it has gone through many, reformations, reinterpretations, customizations, diversification etc.) and now you are going to pass it on to your sons and daughters too, they’re also going to pass it on too and it goes on like that. It’s the oldest running scam in history ever since medieval politicians understood the massive gains and benefit they could acquire from people’s gullibility (Read about: “East meets West” Greeks and Roman politicians partner up to form the biggest religion, Christianity)

Also, whenever you catch yourself quoting the bible like you did earlier, just know it’s all “circular reasoning”, the worse of its kind.

How do you know the bible is true?
Because it’s the word of God.
How do you know it’s the word of God?
Because it’s written in the bible.
How do you know the bible is true?
Because it’s the word of God.
How do you know it’s the word of God?
Because it’s written in the bible.

Circular reasoning because each need the other to prove the other and can’t be proven independently. Both of which, God and the bible has no irrefutable evidence to back its claim of existence and infallibility respectively. Since God has been camera shy for the last 2000 years and only resides in peoples heart it would be pretty tough to prove if he exists.

And as for the slavery thing you spoke about, you don’t want to get me started on that slavery write-up you made which was riddled with erroneous assumptions, it would only open up a different can of worms unfavorable to your argument.

Enough has been said.

Rise above superstition!

Nice article. Where did u copy it from?

gisevak:
Don't you think we lack of appropriate information to reject supernatural does not exits?

Do you lack appropriate information to reject the fact that I'm sitting beside you now?

incredible2017:
Have you seen someone that was perfectly ok before turn mad

Lol. Happens regularly. Many things can cause that from somatic diseases to psychoses. Even drugs can cause that. I hope you know the typhoid you Nigerians like treating can cause psychosis.
You see what we are talking about. You see a perfectly 'normal' person turn mad. You don't know how it happened . Therefore its demonic, thus spiritual. Lets all cast it out.
Thousands of years ago, your ancestor saw rain fall from the sky. He doesn't know how it happened. Therefore its spiritual and a god must be behind it. Lets all bow and worship it.
Seem familiar?

LikeAking:
Why you never born any shrine since?

People burn it on the regular. Where I live they don't have it. And I rarely see any in my village cos people have burned most of them. But I just can't see a shrine and burn it. Remember its someone's personal property. Respect it. Same way you expect the person to respect your property. I hear people tell me to go slap an old priest in my village, and I'm like, "Are you retarded? How can you walk up to an old man and slap him? If his children beat you to a pulp, then you deserve it"
Nigerians really have no brains

Knowledge23:
The problem with people is that they have instilled fear that you people will rather not talk about it because it's like something is going to happen to you nothing is going to happen to you.

I have faced some of this juju or herbalist, they have absolutely no powers, as far as you don't come near me do whatever you want it doesn't work.

Go on TikTok, Facebook and so on, people are now claiming to be traditionalist and herbalist which before never happens because people taught they are real, that the gods will kill them if they are not real but as people began to realize that all these people are actually powerless that nothing will happen to them so they started doing it since it's lucrative.

That's why many pastors do whatever they like because they know that no one is going to hold them accountable.

You have not encountered juju
What you see on tiktok is just for views
Just de play

gisevak:
My position on the supernatural is not tied to any religious notion. My position about supernatural is that there are forces or things that humans or scientists cannot explain or prove. You only see religious definition of supernatural but there is more to it.
Check the following questions:

How did life begin?
It is clear in anthropology that this is a universal question that every culture and religion has attempted to answer. Scientists show that life began as simple chemicals that came together and became the first molecules to replicate. However, scientists still debate how these early chemicals were arranged, how DNA was created, and so on.Scientists also debate the circumstances surrounding the creation of these first chemicals. Some believe they formed in hot pools, while others believe they began with a meteor collision with water. This is still a beyond explanation.

What is the universe made of?
Astronomers still cannot answer 95% of the universe. It has been discovered that the atoms that make up the world around us appear to make up only 5% of the composition of the universe.In recent years, astronomers have speculated that much of the remaining 95% could be some kind of dark matter or energy, but the question remains unanswered. What is this dark matter?



We do not currently have the equipment, skills or information to explore them. It's still supernatural.

So to you, anything unknown automatically becomes supernatural?

Kobojunkie:
Why do I need to believe you? Is it my experience or yours?

Its your experience, not mine. So please answer the question

jaephoenix:
■ Its your experience, not mine. So please answer the question

How can it be my experience when I have never experienced such? Are you high?

Kobojunkie:
Stop asking stupid questions abeg! The subject , which you brought up, is of the supernatural-- non physical, immeasurable space which is still on a subjective level on the most part.

Can you trust subjective data?

jaephoenix:
■ Can you trust subjective data?

Why in the world would you need to trust subjective data?

Aemmyjah:
You have not encountered juju
What you see on tiktok is just for views
Just de play

So tell us about the juju u encountered sir

Kobojunkie:
How can it be my experience when I have never experienced such? Are you high?

When you have never experienced what?

Kobojunkie:
Why in the world would you need to trust subjective data?

Good. Have you experienced any 'supernatural' phenomena?

jaephoenix:
When you have never experienced what?

Are you seriously asking me this? Go back to your first comment to me to see.

jaephoenix:
■ Good. Have you experienced any 'supernatural' phenomena?

Yes, I have!

jaephoenix:
People burn it on the regular. Where I live they don't have it. And I rarely see any in my village cos people have burned most of them. But I just can't see a shrine and burn it. Remember its someone's personal property. Respect it. Same way you expect the person to respect your property. I hear people tell me to go slap an old priest in my village, and I'm like, "Are you retarded? How can you walk up to an old man and slap him? If his children beat you to a pulp, then you deserve it"
Nigerians really have no brains

If I carry you go shrine you go burn am?

Dem go allow u…

No worry..

correctguy101:
Avian dey...

Emphasis on the bolded. But these werey oversabi stiff-necked blockheaded children won't listen...


But no guardian of said knowledge would take the useless challenge serious. If they did, what was the use of hoarding and keeping such knowledge secret and hidden in the first place?

Imagine a Yoruba man was quoted as the challenger. An insult to awon Omo Luwabi.... Omo jati jati ni bobo yen o..

Don't blame these adults joor they are still small children, who feel the supernatural does not exist, they have not had an experience yet that will make them to believe.

Kobojunkie:
Yes, I have!

Care to share?

jaephoenix:
Care to share?

Share what exactly?

LikeAking:
If I carry you go shrine you go burn am?

Dem go allow u…

No worry..

I would. And we'll publicize it and add a wager, say #50,000 for wasting my time and for teaching you a lesson that juju things are rubbish

MindHacker9009:
Don't blame these adults joor they are still small children, who feel the supernatural does not exist, they have not had an experience yet that will make them to believe. I was like them too before till many years after I was with a jezebel that my eyes were finally opened that the events I was seeing and experiencing were not natural. When I first met this jezebel she told me she goes to a white garment church and that they go to the bar beach to pray, to me I just thought these women with they stories, also she told me they have woleys (not sure about the spelling) now I have realised they are their fortune tellers in their white garment church. If I did not have the experience I had with this jezebel I too will be saying here too that people don't have access to the supernatural.

You keep on babbling about your experiences and yet you haven't said anything despite being prompted. The thread is in its 3rd page, you still dey talk gibberish

Kobojunkie:
Share what exactly?

Your 'supernatural' experience?

MindHacker9009:
Don't blame these adults joor they are still small children, who feel the supernatural does not exist, they have not had an experience yet that will make them to believe. I was like them too before till many years after I was with a jezebel that my eyes were finally opened that the events I was seeing and experiencing were not natural. When I first met this jezebel she told me she goes to a white garment church and that they go to the bar beach to pray, to me I just thought these women with they stories, also she told me they have oleys (not sure about the spelling) now I have realised they are their fortune tellers in their white garment church. If I did not have the experience I had with this jezebel I too will be saying here too that people don't have access to the supernatural.

Since you have experience it why do still need to believe it?
You only believe what you lack knowledge on.

From the supernatural video you posted.

jaephoenix:
■ Your 'supernatural' experience?

What good would reading it do for you or to you though since it is subjective?

jaephoenix:
I would. And we'll publicize it and add a wager, say #50,000 for wasting my time and for teaching you a lesson that juju things are rubbish

We’re ever you are there must be a shrine or powerful occultic men or women..

Try them and see first…

jaephoenix:
You keep on babbling about your experiences and yet you haven't said anything despite being prompted. The thread is in its 3rd page, jaephoenix still dey talk gibberish

Okay if you are not in a serious relationship right now and you want to experience it go and befriend a jezebel from a garment or born again to know you are the one talking gibberish.

Maynman:
Since you have experience it why do still need to believe it?
You only believe what you lack knowledge on.

From the supernatural video you posted.

Two of the vodeos with a seconds timer on the video may be real but still we are not 100% sure

MindHacker9009:
Two of the vodeos with a seconds timer on the video may be real but still we are not 100% sure

I see, Out of 20, 2 may be real.

If it was real it will all over the news and not on someone's youtube channel looking for views.

Maynman:
I see, Out of 20, 2 may be real.

If it was real it will all over the news and not on someone's youtube channel looking for views.

The video of the Irish school is on this American News station and it shows it at the to left corner of the video. Still no one is sure if it's real or a prank. If it a prank then those behind it deserves an award.

Planty of news sites on google new has it on their news: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22ghost+on+camera+in++irish+school%22&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=563750832&biw=1920&bih=995&tbm=nws&ei=t377ZNX0DsGAhbIPiZCcsAY&ved=0ahUKEwiVrJ6S6JuBAxVBQEEAHQkIB2YQ4dUDCAw&uact=5&oq=%22ghost+on+camera+in++irish+school%22&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LW5ld3MiIiJnaG9zdCBvbiBjYW1lcmEgaW4gIGlyaXNoIHNjaG9vbCJIwMgCUJkEWIDFAnADeACQAQCYAYgBoAGqDKoBBDE4LjG4AQPIAQD4AQGoAgDCAgoQIRigARjDBBgKwgIIECEYoAEYwwSIBgE&sclient=gws-wiz-news


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2OJrKVx8WE