Emusan:


Funny how you keep jumping around.

Why did you run away from Prov 8?

John 1:1 never said the WORD WAS CREATED in the BEGINNING, is English your problem?

Why did you run away from KJV?

This is the reason I told your brother to stick to one translation.

KJV John 1:1 says the WORD WAS GOD. God can't be created.

Micah 5:2 “But thou, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall come forth unto Me He that is to be ruler in Israel, [b]whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”[/b]

Micah 5:2 I'd about the operation of the eternal Word of God.

What does going forth mean?
Check the Hebrew meaning
All verses I quoted did not contradict one another
Even when Jesus was described as the earliest of God's creation and the beginning of the creation of God, you de cap nonsense... You're still suffering from pain cos of one woman... Eeyah

Emusan:


He was never created in the first place.

But if you agree that Jesus was created, then based on John 1:3 it means Jesus created Himself.

because Bible is so straight that "WITHOUT HIM, NOTHING was created"

He was not created but he's the firstborn of all creatures lol

Emusan:


After all, I'm not like you.



Who created ALL THINGS?



Then if he is the first,

Why must HE still need to "BE THE ONE WHO might BECOME FIRST in ALL THINGS(which included creation?"

I know you lack simple comprehension, the key phrase her is "Might BECOME FIRST"

Being the first to be created is just one of the instances where Jesus is the first just like he's first among those that will be raised to spirit being.

cornelboy:

He was not created but he's the firstborn of all creatures lol

I've told you what that means.

“I also shall make him My firstborn,
The highest of the kings of the earth." I quoted this before.

So FIRSTBORN isn't about FIRST CREATED

cornelboy:

Being the first to be created is just one of the instances where Jesus is the first just like he's first among those that will be raised to spirit being.

You didn't get it or you did but still living in your delusion.

The text says "He MIGHT BE THE ONE WHO BECOME FIRST IN ALL THINGS"

All things already included creation.

And even the first is about SUPERIORITY Paul made it clear in his own writing

Aemmyjah:


The WORD had a beginning

The WORD in which John made us to understand as Jesus Christ does not have a beginning. Paul, in his writings, and even John made it known in the book of Revelation (and other prophets in the Old Testament times: Isaiah, Moses, . . .) that Jesus is eternal. He has been existing from eternity. We don't know the origin of God: the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Isaiah 9:6; John 5:18 (Compare it with Exodus 3:14 & Isaiah 41:4); Matthew 1:23; John 1:1, 14, 18; Titus 2:13; Revelation 1:8.

emmnprince:


The WORD in which John made us to understand as Jesus Christ does not have a beginning. Paul, in his writings, and even John made it known in the book of Revelation (and other prophets in the Old Testament times: Isaiah, Moses, . . .) that Jesus is eternal. He has been existing from eternity. We don't know the origin of God: the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Isaiah 9:6; John 5:18 (Compare it with Exodus 3:14 & Isaiah 41:4); Matthew 1:23; John 1:1, 14, 18; Titus 2:13; Revelation 1:8.

The highlighted is your own addition to contradict John

Aemmyjah:


The highlighted is your own addition to contradict John

No! It's Watchtower who added "OTHER" to their own translation in Col 1:16-17

No where John ever said the Word had a beginning.

In fact, scripture called Him THE BEGINNING just as the FATHER was also called THE BEGINNING.

Emusan:


No! It's Watchtower who added "OTHER" to their own translation in Col 1:16-17

No where John ever said the Word had a beginning.

In fact, scripture called Him THE BEGINNING just as the FATHER was also called THE BEGINNING.

Who did John wrote that describe himself as the beginning of the creation of God?

Emusan:


You didn't get it or you did but still living in your delusion.

The text says "He MIGHT BE THE ONE WHO BECOME FIRST IN ALL THINGS"

All things already included creation.

And even the first these is about SUPERIORITY

If it's just about superiority, what does firstborn among the dead [/b]mean?

Colossians 1:15 KJV
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, [b]the firstborn of every creature:

Even if it's about superiority alone, the verse still shows that Jesus is part of creation.

Emusan:


I've told you what that means.

“I also shall make him My firstborn,
The highest of the kings of the earth." I quoted this before.

So FIRSTBORN isn't about FIRST CREATED

Lol firstborn as used in that psalm is very different from the firstborn Paul used at Colossians 1:15,18.

I never said firstborn means first created.
As you can see the whole phrase "firstborn of all creation".
This shows the status of Jesus among every other creation.
Jesus was first to be created and first in preeminence

My interpretation for firstborn is; first regarding the order of time and first in preeminence or superiority.

Aemmyjah:
Who did John wrote that describe himself as the beginning of the creation of God?

The @color is your own misunderstanding.

The word translated as THE BEGINNING means SOURCE.

I showed you how another translation put it, didn't I?

I asked you, why did you abandoned your Prov 8?

You must see something bigger than you there

cornelboy:

If it's just about superiority, what does firstborn among the dead [/b]mean?

Colossians 1:15 KJV
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, [b]the firstborn of every creature:

Even if it's about superiority alone, the verse still shows that Jesus is part of creation.

I've already explained this also.

Stop blocking your brain when you're reading people post.

Emusan:


I've already explained this also.

Stop blocking your brain when you're reading people post.

I didn't see it.

What does firstborn from the dead mean?

cornelboy:

Lol firstborn as used in that psalm is very different from the firstborn Paul used at Colossians 1:15,18.

That's why I do say you people are evil

Now, the firstborn is different in Psalm.

I never said firstborn means first created.

But that's your conclusion.

As you can see the whole phrase "firstborn of all creation".
This shows the status of Jesus among every other creation.

And He was never created.

Jesus was first to be created and first in preeminence

First in PREEMINENCE again

When the mouth is full of much lies.

My interpretation for firstborn is; first regarding the order of time and first in preeminence or superiority.

Which is different from Paul interpretation.

because Paul explained what he MEANT BY that phrase in the very passage.

cornelboy:

I didn't see it.

What does firstborn from the dead mean?

That's why I said don't block your brain when reading post. So you can go back and read it.

Emusan:


The @color is your own misunderstanding.

The word translated as THE BEGINNING means SOURCE.

I showed you how another translation put it, didn't I?

I asked you, why did you abandoned your Prov 8?

You must see something bigger than you there

I did not abandon any verse you failed to understand


Did you check the Hebrew context or meaning of what was written in Revelation?
If you like, use beginning, use source, use going forth
Note that the same person wrote John 1:1 and Revelation... Oya, use same translation for beginning to run away na

Emusan:


That's why I said don't block your brain when reading post. So you can go back and read it.

I can't go back

Aemmyjah:
I did not abandon any verse you failed to understand

I failed to understand.

When you didn't even address my points.

Did you check the Hebrew context or meaning of what was written in Revelation?

HEBREW in Revelation

I didn't know Revelation was written in Hebrew

Anyways, you can show me now. Or did I forbid you of doing so?

If you like, use beginning, use source, use going forth

Am I the one using it?

KJV you used earlier used GOING FORTH not me.

Note that the same person wrote John 1:1 and Revelation... Oya, use same translation for beginning to run away na

John 1:1 says IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD.

I never see where it says in THE BEGINNING THE WORD was created.

cornelboy:

I can't go back

Very lazy.

Emusan:


That's why I do say you people are evil

Now, the firstborn is different in Psalm.



But that's your conclusion.



And He was never created.



First in PREEMINENCE again

When the mouth is full of much lies.



Which is different from Paul interpretation.

because Paul explained what he MEANT BY that phrase in the very passage.

Lol no where in the Bible says Jesus was never created
"Firstborn of all creation/creatures" means out of every creation/creatures, Jesus has a firstborn status, that is, he's first to be created and first in preeminence or most preeminent.

Emusan:


Very lazy.

Lol
Or you can't explain what firstborn from the dead means

Emusan:


I failed to understand.

When you didn't even address my points.



HEBREW in Revelation

I didn't know Revelation was written in Hebrew

Anyways, you can show me now. Or did I forbid you of doing so?



Am I the one using it?

KJV you used earlier used GOING FORTH not me.



John 1:1 says IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD.

I never see where it says in THE BEGINNING THE WORD was created.

What is the Greek translation of what John wrote?

cornelboy:

Lol
Or you can't explain what firstborn from the dead means

If I've not done that, it means I can't.

But for me to explain something then you didn't read it then expect me to explain again.

Shows your brain is blocked.

Aemmyjah:
What is the Greek translation of what John wrote?

Provide the Greek translation.

Imagine, am I the one who talk about Hebrew Greek?

Aemmyjah:


The highlighted is your own addition to contradict John

If you read those Bible passages stated you won't say they are my own addition because they (and more other Bible references) affirmed it.

Emusan:


Provide the Greek translation.

Imagine, am I the one who talk about Hebrew Greek?

Instead of studying to check the context, you were Looking for another translation
Use the same translation of SOURCE for John 1 na

Aemmyjah:


Instead of studying to check the context, you were Looking for another translation
Use the same translation of SOURCE for John 1 na

Ah ah see drama

Who told you I'm looking for ANOTHER TRANSLATION?

Those brain cells have started malfunction again

cornelboy:

I didn't see it.
What does firstborn from the dead mean?

He won't give you a definite answer so that you won't expose his ignorance that's how i got to know that he is achorladey.
Both monikers don't answer direct questions but they will be provoked if you refuse to answer them YES or NO!

MaxInDHouse:

He won't give you a definite answer so that you won't expose his ignorance that's how i got to know that he is achorladey.
Both monikers don't answer direct questions but they will be provoked if you refuse to answer them YES or NO!

He started speaking from his hiding place.

Go straight to the point, stop giving yourself unnecessary headache.

Emusan:


Ah ah see drama

Who told you I'm looking for ANOTHER TRANSLATION?

Those brain cells have started malfunction again

Another translation use ruler

Best way is to understand the context in the original language written

Aemmyjah:
Another translation use ruler

Good!

Which means it's not about FIRST CREATED

Best way is to understand the context in the original language written

Do you mean the translations that used Ruler, source e.t.c don't understand the context in the original Lang?