justlove91:

And I hope we will evolve further past needing legal laws to put us on leash.

Oh we will. Adam, we read, was on a leash, believing he'd die if he nourished himself with knowledge, then along came evolved Eve with her ability to consider the words of a serpent.

She nourished herself with knowledge that opened her eyes so she could unleash Adam from his naked slavish bondage, and see now how far humans have since evolved.

In my short lifetime alone, I've seen us place father's bible on the mantelpiece not to be touched by anyone, to every Bola, Musa and Chukwudi now having their own copy and now we, or at least many, are evolving into unbelievers. Evolution is a descriptively inevitable, I think. It is just so slow that it's not often noticed.

Thanks for this thoughtful thread by the way. I've only read you but will find time to consider others.

budaatum:


Oh we will. Adam, we read, was on a leash, believing he'd die if he nourished himself with knowledge, then along came evolved Eve with her ability to consider the words of a serpent.

She nourished herself with knowledge that opened her eyes so she could unleash Adam from his naked slavish bondage, and see now how far humans have since evolved.

In my short lifetime alone, I've seen us place father's bible on the mantelpiece not to be touched by anyone, to every Bola, Musa and Chukwudi now having their own copy and now we, or at least many, are evolving into unbelievers. Evolution is a descriptively inevitable, I think. It is just so slow that it's not often noticed.

Thanks for this thoughtful thread by the way. I've only read you but will find time to consider others.

Yes, it is annoyingly slow, lol.
I've enjoyed our conversation.

I've you heard or read anything about physical mediumship?? It is an interesting read if you got the patience and time.

justlove91:

Yes, it is annoyingly slow, lol.
I've enjoyed our conversation.

I've you heard or read anything about physical mediumship?? It is an interesting read if you got the patience and time.

Yes I have read about physical mediumship. Some have claimed it's part of my occultism, though my study of it was more psychological.

"The psychical researcher Thomson Jay Hudson in The Law of Psychic Phenomena (1892) and Théodore Flournoy in his book Spiritism and Psychology (1911) wrote that all kinds of mediumship could be explained by suggestion and telepathy from the medium and that there was no evidence for the spirit hypothesis". And I've found that to be true.

That said, I'm not averse to it's use since it works on some. It's psychological effect on those who believe in it that is.

budaatum:


Yes I have read about physical mediumship. Some have claimed it's part of my occultism, though my study of it was more psychological.

"The psychical researcher Thomson Jay Hudson in The Law of Psychic Phenomena (1892) and Théodore Flournoy in his book Spiritism and Psychology (1911) wrote that all kinds of mediumship could be explained by suggestion and telepathy from the medium and that there was no evidence for the spirit hypothesis". And I've found that to be true.

That said, I'm not averse to it's use since it works on some. It's psychological effect on those who believe in it that is.

You're probably taking about trance mediumship, physical mediumship is different, read this small book to get an idea of what it is https://www.ghostcircle.com/free_book/gambier-bolton-ghosts-solid-form/ The book is titled "Ghosts in solid form"

@bolded
So science now believe in telepathy?

justlove91:

What kind of a God are you serving dude?? Do you even hear youself?
Your God will find me guilty of all the crimes committed in the history of mankind just because I don't believe in Jesus.

YES! Because that's the role model He gave all humankind so no matter who you are as long as you're not ready to believe in Jesus' teachings you have no future with my God.
So do whatever you like now and make all you can {Ecclesiastes 11:9} because without faith in Jesus your name can never enter into the citizenship of God's kingdom! Revelations 20:15

justlove91:

I'm not taking of mankind, but the individual sinner.

There's no individuality in this because no one can stand before my God as righteous {Isaiah 64:6; Romans 3:23} so it's a conventional case where we need to be in the midst of God's people so as to continue encouraging one another in doing our best to imitate Jesus Christ! Hebrews 10:24-25
So nobody can fight it alone we need our fellow believer's support and backing to survive this system of things!

justlove91:

He is not the first to be accused wrongly and not the last.

Jesus is the first and last person accused wrongly regarding allegation levelled against him, there has never been any of such and never can such be again.
If you want to know the details i'm with you!

justlove91:

What was the message of Jesus?

He is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} who came to teach us how we can cohabit peacefully by following the best line of thought from the one and only true God. You can prove me wrong by presenting any global group that has uprooted the use of weapons from the hearts of all their members in millions throughout the earth. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Only Jehovah's Witnesses has successfully done that in Jesus name! Act 1:8

justlove91:

You're probably taking about trance mediumship, physical mediumship is different, read this small book to get an idea of what it is https://www.ghostcircle.com/free_book/gambier-bolton-ghosts-solid-form/ The book is titled "Ghosts in solid form"

And lastly, we require about twelve to sixteen earnest and really sympathetic men and women—persons trained on scientific lines for choice—all in the best of health: men and women who, whilst strictly on their guard against anything in the shape of fraud, are still so much in sympathy with the person who is acting as the Sensitive that they are all the time sending out kindly thoughts towards him; for if, as has been said, "thoughts are things," it is possible that hostile thoughts would be sufficient not only to enfeeble, but actually to check demonstrations of physical phenomena of all kinds in the presence of such specially organised, highly developed individuals as the Sensitives through whom materialisations can be produced. I shall refer to these men and women as THE SITTERS. https://www.globalgreyebooks.com/ghosts-in-solid-form-ebook.html#downloads

On a cursory look, it's hardly the sort of book I'd read nowadays, having read similars in the past and found them equally wanting. His claim to doing science is not science at all, and his sitters are no different to me hiring fake people to shout they are healed when I slap their heads so others can shower me with money. Besides, how does it differ from those who claim they saw crucified Jesus resurrect?

justlove91:

@bolded
So science now believe in telepathy?

One does not believe anything where science is concerned, because science itself is the testing of the validity of beliefs so one may actually know.

As for telepathy. Guess that's not a thing I test further than my own limited abilities.

MaxInDHouse:


YES! Because that's the role model He gave all humankind so no matter who you are as long as you're not ready to believe in Jesus' teachings you have no future with my God.
So do whatever you like now and make all you can {Ecclesiastes 11:9} because without faith in Jesus your name can never enter into the citizenship of God's kingdom! Revelations 20:15

Thank God this your god only exist in your head (and other JW).

There's no individuality in this because no one can stand before my God as righteous {Isaiah 64:6; Romans 3:23} so it's a conventional case where we need to be in the midst of God's people so as to continue encouraging one another in doing our best to imitate Jesus Christ! Hebrews 10:24-25
So nobody can fight it alone we need our fellow believer's support and backing to survive this system of things!

So I need to present another person's certificate (righteousness) as my own? This your believe is fu*ck up man.

Jesus is the first and last person accused wrongly regarding allegation levelled against him, there has never been any of such and never can such be again.
If you want to know the details i'm with you!

So, he is the only one in human history to be accused wrongly? Be kidding youself.

He is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} who came to teach us how we can cohabit peacefully by following the best line of thought from the one and only true God. You can prove me wrong by presenting any global group that has uprooted the use of weapons from the hearts of all their members in millions throughout the earth. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Only Jehovah's Witnesses has successfully done that in Jesus name! Act 1:8

If JW are this perfect sort of lads, why are there rape cases in the "Kingdom".

budaatum:




On a cursory look, it's hardly the sort of book I'd read nowadays, having read similars in the past and found them equally wanting. His claim to doing science is not science at all, and his sitters are no different to me hiring fake people to shout they are healed when I slap their heads so others can shower me with money. Besides, how does it differ from those who claim they saw crucified Jesus resurrect?

It is different nah, the writer of the book was a psychic researcher investigating the medium/sensitive, so why would he hire fake sitters to deceive himself?

One does not believe anything where science is concerned, because science itself is the testing of the validity of beliefs so one may actually know.

True, let me rephrase the question
"Does science now have evidence to support the claim of telepathy"

As for telepathy. Guess that's not a thing I test further than my own limited abilities.

Does this mean you find telepathy to be true?

justlove91:

It is different nah, the writer of the book was a psychic researcher investigating the medium/sensitive, so why would he hire fake sitters to deceive himself?

He was also a photographer too and might have wanted to sell his photos or raise money to build a hospital to cure others, who knows. But why have any sitters at all who's sole purpose is to show others they are convinced so those others could join in?

justlove91:
True, let me rephrase the question
"Does science now have evidence to support the claim of telepathy"

Not to the best of my knowledge, no.

justlove91:
Does this mean you find telepathy to be true?

No I don't. But if a person insists it to be true when dealing with me I am not averse to using it to take advantage of them if I so desire.

budaatum:

He was also a photographer too and might have wanted to sell his photos or raise money to build a hospital to cure others, who knows. But why have any sitters at all who's sole purpose is to show others they are convinced so those others could join in?

Seems you don't know much about seance. The purpose of the sitters is to supply(together with the medium) a substance called Ectoplasm which is then used in turn by spirits to cloth themselves in other to appear physically to the eye and touch of human.

That the scientific community sees telepathy as pseudoscience doesn't mean it is. Remember it took them many years to establish the truth of hypnosis and lucid dream, even when people have been reporting them for years.

justlove91:

Thank God this your god only exist in your head (and other JW).

Haaa! Atheist thanking God?
Well better to know that if you're advocating for atheism stand well well for it and know that my own God doesn't count any faithless person as part of His plans. Whenever He is ready to bring His government all unbelievers are to be exterminated.

justlove91:

So I need to present another person's certificate (righteousness) as my own? This your believe is fu*ck up man.

Hold your certificate very well and let the god of evolution prepare a place for you in it's kingdom but if it's the kingdom of my own God then ọmọ you need a Visa from Jesus o!

justlove91:

So, he is the only one in human history to be accused wrongly? Be kidding youself.

I said: "ask why it's so" but if you feel it's a joke then keep your opinion and wait until then.

justlove91:

If JW are this perfect sort of lads, why are there rape cases in the "Kingdom".

Who told you JWs are perfect?
This is how you people misconstrue everything instead of reasoning intelligently.
I said there is no individual righteousness with the true God because all humans have fallen short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so we need to be in the congregation of those having the same hope so that we can continue using what Jesus laid down to TEACH, REPROOF, DISCIPLINE and SET MATTERS STRAIGHT among us, that's what will make us fully competent and completely equiped for salvation! 2Timothy 3:16-17

So whoever is not part of such organized setting can never ever meet up with the requirements while isolating himself from the congregation of God. Hebrews 10:24-25
How does that translate to saying those watching their brother's backs have become perfect?

MaxInDHouse:

Haaa! Atheist thanking God?

I'm a Spiritist.

Well better to know that if you're advocating for atheism stand well well for it and know that my own God doesn't count any faithless person as part of His plans.

I'm not advocating for atheism.

Whenever He is ready to bring His government all unbelievers are to be exterminated.

You mean his military government?

Hold your certificate very well and let the god of evolution prepare a place for you in it's kingdom but if it's the kingdom of my own God then ọmọ you need a Visa from Jesus o!

So, one can use "wuruwuru" to enter your God's kingdom.

I said: "ask why it's so" but if you feel it's a joke then keep your opinion and wait until then.

The details doesn't matter, that he was accuse wrongly is all that matters.

Who told you JWs are perfect?
This is how you people misconstrue everything instead of reasoning intelligently.
I said there is no individual righteousness with the true God because all humans have fallen short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so we need to be in the congregation of those having the same hope so that we can continue using what Jesus laid down to TEACH, REPROOF, DISCIPLINE and SET MATTERS STRAIGHT among us, that's what will make us fully competent and completely equiped for salvation! 2Timothy 3:16-17

So whoever is not part of such organized setting can never ever meet up with the requirements while isolating himself from the congregation of God. Hebrews 10:24-25
How does that translate to saying those watching their brother's backs have become perfect?

Sorry, I taught you guys are now perfect since you've taken upon yourselves the righteousness of Jesus and thus became a new creature.
I didn't know this new creature still has to struggle with sin.

justlove91:

I'm a Spiritist.

Ọmọ you know NOTHING about spirits so stop deceiving yourself.
No spirit will tell you that there is no supreme being who has authority over the central unit of control in the spirit realms.

justlove91:

I'm not advocating for atheism.
You mean his military government?

The true God is not a democrats nah that's why the Bible refer to Him as "Jehovah of armies"
So it's humans that has been fooled with what Satan cooked up called democracy my God is a military ruler.

justlove91:

So, one can use "wuruwuru" to enter your God's kingdom.

In the world it's called "AMNESTY" for those who have realized they're wrong and are ready to retrace their steps

justlove91:

The details doesn't matter, that he was accuse wrongly is all that matters.

OK so you're now saying you don't want to know how the case goes you just want to rap it all up on the same page.
If so why all these stories about cause and effect if the ends justify the means?

justlove91:

Sorry, I taught you guys are now perfect since you've taken upon yourselves the righteousness of Jesus and thus became a new creature.
I didn't know this new creature still has to struggle with sin.

That is where your former pastors failed!
Becoming a new creature in Christ Jesus simply means you now have another family in the house of faith that you can always lean on with whatever troubles your mind and they will rub minds with you using Jesus' words not just any kind of opinion or ideas.

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ you know NOTHING about spirits so stop deceiving yourself.
No spirit will tell you that there is no supreme being who has authority over the central unit of control in the spirit realms.

When did I mention they say there is no God? Some of them believe and some still do not believe but what both group agreed on is that none of them had seen God.

The true God is not a democrats nah that's why the Bible refer to Him as "Jehovah of armies"
So it's humans that has been fooled with what Satan cooked up called democracy my God is a military ruler.

Toh!! I see.

In the world it's called "AMNESTY" for those who have realized they're wrong and are ready to retrace their steps.

It's called using LONG LEG.

OK so you're now saying you don't want to know how the case goes you just want to rap it all up on the same page.
If so why all these stories about cause and effect if the ends justify the means?

How does his story relate to the law of cause and effect??

That is where your former pastors failed!

I'm an Ex Muslim, you can read my deconversion post here https://www.nairaland.com/2183239/cant-wait-free-story

Becoming a new creature in Christ Jesus simply means you now have another family in the house of faith that you can always lean on with whatever troubles your mind and they will rub minds with you using Jesus' words not just any kind of opinion or ideas.

This your interpretation get K-leg o.

justlove91:

When did I mention they say there is no God? Some of them believe and some still do not believe but what both group agreed on is that none of them had seen God.

So evolutionists believe in the existence of God. OK o!

justlove91:

Toh!! I see.

The true God doesn't need human opinion in choosing who should rule neither does He bother about contrary opinions whoever doesn't agree with His standard is free to go and establish another planet and live there.

justlove91:

It's called using LONG LEG.

You once said people can be redeemed instead of exterminating them.
The true God also doesn't want any to be destroyed but you give him no other options if you refuse to repent once you're ready to make a U-turn He is also ready to give you the Visa no matter what you've done in the past it's within His domain and He can restore whatever you destroy in the past.
Have killed people? He has the ability to bring them back in Paradise where no one can harm them again so if you turn a new leaf today He is ready to forgive all your trespasses.

justlove91:

How does his story relate to the law of cause and effect??

If you think cause and effect matters then you should know that the only way forward is to stop the cause by giving all involved a model to follow so as to erase all future negative cause.

justlove91:

I'm an Ex Muslim, you can read my deconversion post here https://www.nairaland.com/2183239/cant-wait-free-story

I am also an ex-muslim who never believe in any new personality until it happened to me.
Now instead of reacting the old ways i now use the new line of thought i learned from Jesus.

justlove91:

This your interpretation get K-leg o.

That's what a new personality means it's not magical but a change of heart instead of reacting the way i do before i now do things differently that doesn't mean i can't make mistakes but i'm ever ready to make amendments and also say sorry even though i know i might not be wrong just to make peace with my prospective Bible student who may become one of those i will preach to or teach Bible truth tomorrow.

justlove91:

Seems you don't know much about seance. The purpose of the sitters is to supply(together with the medium) a substance called Ectoplasm which is then used in turn by spirits to cloth themselves in other to appear physically to the eye and touch of human.

As in, the spirits clothe themself in ectoplasm to appear to be there? And séances? What next? Reincarnation? Resurrection of the dead?

I'll tell you a story. Na. I'll search for and post it at the end for I have told it many times before I'm sure. It would help you know where I have evolved from perhaps.

Trust me, if I don't doubt those clothed spirits, I definitely will doubt my own eyes and moreso my mind for being so easily fooled, and I will check I have not been drinking or that someone spiked my drink. And I'll check the brand of my dope in case it's been swapped for one that don't work for me. After then will I yank the cloth off the spirit to see for myself and with my own eyes and with out sitters influence, what the spirit in the ectoplasm is.

I'm like that see. If Moses told buda God said I should wait at the bottom of the mountain only he should go up, I will tell Moses and his god to go ef themselves, and if god put me in some garden and forbids me his fruits of knowledge, not only will I eat god's knowledge fruit, I'd steal the seeds and plant my own and share it with humanity.

justlove91:
That the scientific community sees telepathy as pseudoscience doesn't mean it is. Remember it took them many years to establish the truth of hypnosis and lucid dream, even when people have been reporting them for years.

The "scientific community"? Why don't I scientifically peruse the evidence myself with my own senses instead of waiting for the high priests of science to come and tell me what I should consider pseudoscience or not, especially if it's a thing that has been claimed to exist for thousands of years with copious written records to consider and still hasn't been scientifically proven?

Science is after all the use of one's own senses to peruse the available data and analyse it for information so one can derive knowledge from it, as opposed to being told what to believe, which is more like religion.

Sorry, but even you here advocating for telepathy have not provided evidence of it's existence yet, so why should I who's read extensively on the subject be thinking contrary to what I've learnt?

Just think. If sprits can cloth themselves, then why can't God have created the heaven and earth and hell?

Anyway. The story.

budaatum:
Let me tell you a story.

Ma once took buda to see Oshofa because buda would not believe what buda was told. On arrival, a woli told everyone present to shut their eyes and let us pray, but buda, stubborn, did no such thing. When the woli finished praying, he said while everyone's eyes were shut, the throne like chair on which Oshofa would sit had swayed from left to right and had been lifted up to touch the ceiling. buda, who had been watching, said, "arh! That's a lie" and got a dirty look from the woli and a slap on the head from ma.

Ma and buda were the first people called up to meet Oshofa when he eventually came out. He looked at buda and said, "you don't believe what people tell you, do you. Continue that way. There are a lot of fake wolis out there". He then gave buda a bottle of water and told ma that she and buda should both sit down everyday and slowly drink a cup each and refill the bottle afterwards. Ma should also buy a crate of eggs and cook one for buda everyday. buda's family were seven at the time, and usually had five fried eggs with bread and porridge for breakfast on Sundays only, so you might understand that an egg a day was quite a lot of egg!

MaxInDHouse:

So evolutionists believe in the existence of God. OK o!

I don't understand this your comment.

The true God doesn't need human opinion in choosing who should rule neither does He bother about contrary opinions whoever doesn't agree with His standard is free to go and establish another planet and live there.

We don't need him to consider our opinion either but his decrees should make sense not "if you don't believe in Jesus, I will find you guilty of all crimes committed through humanity's history"

You once said people can be redeemed instead of exterminating them.
The true God also doesn't want any to be destroyed but you give him no other options if you refuse to repent once you're ready to make a U-turn He is also ready to give you the Visa no matter what you've done in the past it's within His domain and He can restore whatever you destroy in the past.
Have killed people? He has the ability to bring them back in Paradise where no one can harm them again so if you turn a new leaf today He is ready to forgive all your trespasses.

@bolded
That's is like Jamb saying "we don't want you to fail but if you believe X, we can still give you certificate that says you passed"

If you think cause and effect matters then you should know that the only way forward is to stop the cause by giving all involved a model to follow so as to erase all future negative cause.

We have the model already, which is the Golden Rule.

I am also an ex-muslim who never believe in any new personality until it happened to me.
Now instead of reacting the old ways i now use the new line of thought i learned from Jesus.

You now use a new line of thought you learnt from Jesus, I now use new line of thought I learnt from stoicism and spiritism.

That's what a new personality means it's not magical but a change of heart instead of reacting the way i do before i now do things differently that doesn't mean i can't make mistakes but i'm ever ready to make amendments and also say sorry even though i know i might not be wrong just to make peace with my prospective Bible student who may become one of those i will preach to or teach Bible truth tomorrow.

And I tell you people can still have your new personality without believing in Jesus or God.

budaatum:

As in, the spirits clothe themself in ectoplasm to appear to be there? And séances? What next? Reincarnation? Resurrection of the dead?

I'll tell you a story. Na. I'll search for and post it at the end for I have told it many times before I'm sure. It would help you know where I have evolved from perhaps.

Trust me, if I don't doubt those clothed spirits, I definitely will doubt my own eyes and moreso my mind for being so easily fooled, and I will check I have not been drinking or that someone spiked my drink. And I'll check the brand of my dope in case it's been swapped for one that don't work for me. After then will I yank the cloth off the spirit to see for myself and with my own eyes and with out sitters influence, what the spirit in the ectoplasm is.

I'm like that see. If Moses told buda God said I should wait at the bottom of the mountain only he should go up, I will tell Moses and his god to go ef themselves, and if god put me in some garden and forbids me his fruits of knowledge, not only will I eat god's knowledge fruit, I'd steal the seeds and plant my own and share it with humanity.

I hope you don't think of me as some simpleton ready to just believe in anything. You see, after I left Islam, I became very cautious with holding any position until I've thoroughly gone through available data on the subject.

When I first heard of Mediumship, I was skeptical also at first (WTF do you mean spirits can materialise), but after going through copious amount of data on the subject, I now believe (remember, not know) in it's claim.

The "scientific community"? Why don't I scientifically peruse the evidence myself with my own senses instead of waiting for the high priests of science to come and tell me what I should consider pseudoscience or not, especially if it's a thing that has been claimed to exist for thousands of years with copious written records to consider and still hasn't been scientifically proven?

My use of "scientific community" was in response to the picture you attached to that your reply.

@bolded
I love that attitude, and you can go through the evidence available yourself (with is alot) just as I did and come to your own conclusion on the subject.
But I tell you buddy, Wikipedia is not the place to go. If you need material on the subject, I'm happy to help.

Science is after all the use of one's own senses to peruse the available data and analyse it for information so one can derive knowledge from it, as opposed to being told what to believe, which is more like religion.

On point.

Just think. If sprits can cloth themselves, then why can't God have created the heaven and earth and hell?

Don't go overboard on me buddy, put God, heaven and hell aside.
The claim now is "spirit can cloth themselves in physicality such that people can now see, hear and touch them" investigate the available copious written data on that.

justlove91:

I don't understand this your comment.
We don't need him to consider our opinion either but his decrees should make sense not "if you don't believe in Jesus, I will find you guilty of all crimes committed through humanity's history"

You and all your cohorts are free to establish your own place of dwelling when the owner of this planet comes with His government!

justlove91:

@bolded
That's is like Jamb saying "we don't want you to fail but if you believe X, we can still give you certificate that says you passed"

The grade is Jesus Christ any other form of grade is complete failure. That's what the owner of this planet says but if you feel you know better it's OK you can challenge Him when he comes with His government.

justlove91:

We have the model already, which is the Golden Rule.

Can you present a global group making the best use of your (golden rule) so everyone can learn it's application from the group.

justlove91:

You now use a new line of thought you learnt from Jesus, I now use new line of thought I learnt from stoicism and spiritism.

And I tell you people can still have your new personality without believing in Jesus or God.

Present a global group using stoicism and spiritism so we can all see the result!

MaxInDHouse:

You and all your cohorts are free to establish your own place of dwelling when the owner of this planet comes with His government!

The grade is Jesus Christ any other form of grade is complete failure. That's what the owner of this planet says but if you feel you know better it's OK you can challenge Him when he comes with His government.

Can you present a global group making the best use of your (golden rule) so everyone can learn it's application from the group.


Present a global group using stoicism and spiritism so we can all see the result!

Let's put this conversation aside, I can't convince you and you definitly cannot convince me. I have a question to ask you.

A group of Jw once came to my house, I let them in, they gave me bible, I told them I don't know how to look for passages, they offered to do that.

They kept throwing bible passages at me to read. After some minutes I told them I don't believe in the bible and it's therefore pointless to ask me to read all those verses.

They asked if I was a Muslim, I said no, that I'm irreligious. Immediatly I told them that, they began packing their load saying they will send someone later.
They didn't come to my house after that though I often see them in my neighborhood.

My question now is "Do you guys only preach to religious people?"

justlove91:

"Do you guys only preach to religious people?"

NO, We preach to all kinds of people otherwise they won't have told you someone will come that simply means you've taken all their time.
This is how we go about our preaching activity.

Formal witnessing: We are organized from our place of meeting and we move in pairs to make brief presentation that will lead to a return visit. At our first coming we are not to spend more than 3 minutes with you since you weren't expecting us but if you pick interest in our discussion and want us to come back then we will keep you in mind.

Informal witnessing: A JW meet you anywhere and during a friendly conversation you noticed that he has a lot to share so he follows the interest and continue contacting you for more information about pure worship.

Now if you proved to be heady witnesses won't waste their time with you since you know better our conclusion is that you will find those with whom you can relate with your line of thought we are searching for those with whom we can relate. Many Atheists, Agnostics, Judaists, Buddhists, Hindus, Traditionalists, Muslims and Churchgoers have found a happy family with Jehovah's Witnesses so we believe you too will find a happy family of like minds one day but if you can't we are here.

justlove91:

I hope you don't think of me as some simpleton ready to just believe in anything. You see, after I left Islam, I became very cautious with holding any position until I've thoroughly gone through available data on the subject.

When I first heard of Mediumship, I was skeptical also at first (WTF do you mean spirits can materialise), but after going through copious amount of data on the subject, I now believe (remember, not know) in it's claim.

So basically, you do not know. You just believe despite not having evidence the claim is true.

That, I tend not to do, since I can continue to seek evidence that will prove it true or not. And then will I know.

justlove91:

@bolded
I love that attitude, and you can go through the evidence available yourself (with is alot) just as I did and come to your own conclusion on the subject.
But I tell you buddy, Wikipedia is not the place to go. If you need material on the subject, I'm happy to help.

You are funny thinking buda thinks Wikipedia is the place to go, but I guess you'd say that because you don't know buda.

As a rule I do not provide books to prove my point because they are like Bible verses where a contrary verse (book) can be provided that contradicts any I provide, especially since each understanding of the same book may differ too. I after all would have considered many sides of a subject before I claim to have knowledge of it.

What Wikipedia gives is a very short snapshot of what is generally agreed upon about a topic, and for here it serves its purpose, which is for those interested to have a kind of syllabus on which to start their own search for information so they may know what is already known and build on from there for themselves.

I rely on the minds of those I engage with to separate the wheat of knowledge from the chaff of ignorance and determine for themself what they want to believe or not or know instead. And I do enjoy finding out how people reason and see how they evolve over time.

justlove91:

The claim now is "spirit can cloth themselves in physicality such that people can now see, hear and touch them" investigate the available copious written data on that.

And waste my time on nonsense? Now why would I do something so stupid when I can instead be investigating how to make the million pounds I dreamt I had last night appear in my bank account?

Surely, before clothing themselves, I'd need to convince myself spirits exist, don't you think? And after having investigated the existence of the super spirit gods and found they only exist in the minds of those in whom they are created, why wouldn't I investigate your mind and how you think and reason instead since you are presenting here and real before me in spirit and all?

It is you who have chosen to believe, justlove91. I have done enough work to know that the spirits many have claimed exist do not exist, so there's nothing to be clothed. The only thing that would convince me is a spirit, presented before me that I have tested and confirmed to be a spirit, clothing itself. And please know that my test might include and would not be limited to sticking a knife in the spirit to ensure it is a real spirit, along with the previous mentioned tests of my own senses and it's so called ectoplasma.

This I must say. I find it odd that you would be trying to convince me to accept your belief as valid without you providing any evidence. It is like asking me to believe in a god that you do not know exists, or me trying to convince you to accept my dream million pounds for a spanking brand new red Ferrari. That said, I plead guilty to trying to convince you of what I know, or at least compelling you to continue researching until you stop believing, and instead know.

MaxInDHouse:


NO, We preach to all kinds of people otherwise they won't have told you someone will come that simply means you've taken all their time.
This is how we go about our preaching activity.

Formal witnessing: We are organized from our place of meeting and we move in pairs to make brief presentation that will lead to a return visit. At our first coming we are not to spend more than 3 minutes with you since you weren't expecting us but if you pick interest in our discussion and want us to come back then we will keep you in mind.

Informal witnessing: A JW meet you anywhere and during a friendly conversation you noticed that he has a lot to share so he follows the interest and continue contacting you for more information about pure worship.

Now if you proved to be heady witnesses won't waste their time with you since you know better our conclusion is that you will find those with whom you can relate with your line of thought we are searching for those with whom we can relate. Many Atheists, Agnostics, Judaists, Buddhists, Hindus, Traditionalists, Muslims and Churchgoers have found a happy family with Jehovah's Witnesses so we believe you too will find a happy family of like minds one day but if you can't we are here.

OK o, I still don't like that they lied they will send somone else and they never did.

justlove91:

OK o, I still don't like that they lied they will send somone else and they never did.

You call it a LIE we call it SMARTNESS.

Have you ever seen any religious organization that sent people to come visiting you in your house?

That's a sign of LOVE so if they never come back and you've seen many others coming to show interest in you there will be no reason to remember them but now you feel they should come back to come and do what?
Just to continue arguing with you?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
You can continue enjoying your leisure with spiritists like you!

budaatum:

So basically, you do not know. You just believe despite not having evidence the claim is true.

That, I tend not to do, since I can continue to seek evidence that will prove it true or not. And then will I know.


You are funny thinking buda thinks Wikipedia is the place to go, but I guess you'd say that because you don't know buda.

As a rule I do not provide books to prove my point because they are like Bible verses where a contrary verse (book) can be provided that contradicts any I provide, especially since each understanding of the same book may differ too. I after all would have considered many sides of a subject before I claim to have knowledge of it.

What Wikipedia gives is a very short snapshot of what is generally agreed upon about a topic, and for here it serves its purpose, which is for those interested to have a kind of syllabus on which to start their own search for information so they may know what is already known and build on from there for themselves.

I rely on the minds of those I engage with to separate the wheat of knowledge from the chaff of ignorance and determine for themself what they want to believe or not or know instead. And I do enjoy finding out how people reason and see how they evolve over time.


And waste my time on nonsense? Now why would I do something so stupid when I can instead be investigating how to make the million pounds I dreamt I had last night appear in my bank account?

Surely, before clothing themselves, I'd need to convince myself spirits exist, don't you think? And after having investigated the existence of the super spirit gods and found they only exist in the minds of those in whom they are created, why wouldn't I investigate your mind and how you think and reason instead since you are presenting here and real before me in spirit and all?

It is you who have chosen to believe, justlove91. I have done enough work to know that the spirits many have claimed exist do not exist, so there's nothing to be clothed. The only thing that would convince me is a spirit, presented before me that I have tested and confirmed to be a spirit, clothing itself. And please know that my test might include and would not be limited to sticking a knife in the spirit to ensure it is a real spirit, along with the previous mentioned tests of my own senses and it's so called ectoplasma.

This I must say. I find it odd that you would be trying to convince me to accept your belief as valid without you providing any evidence. It is like asking me to believe in a god that you do not know exists, or me trying to convince you to accept my dream million pounds for a spanking brand new red Ferrari. That said, I plead guilty to trying to convince you of what I know, or at least compelling you to continue researching until you stop believing, and instead know.

I hear you.

You want to make million pounds?? It's okay, just know Hedonic adaptation will be waiting for you.

MaxInDHouse:

You call it a LIE we call it SMARTNESS

Lolz, they could have just said the truth nah instead of leaving man hanging.

Have you ever seen any religious organization that sent people to come visiting you in your house?

Yes nah, the Muslim sect called Teblig, they do "Ijade".

That's a sign of LOVE so if they never come back and you've seen many others coming to show interest in you there will be no reason to remember them but now you feel they should come back to come and do what?
Just to continue arguing with you?

Love nwantintin
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I could convert them to fellow Spiritists nah.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
You can continue enjoying your leisure with spiritists like you!

I haven't met another Spiritist in Nigeria nah that's why I hope I could convert them so we can hold seance together.

justlove91:

Lolz, they could have just said the truth nah instead of leaving man hanging.

We often feel indebted to anyone who loves the truth but once we notice you don't value it we walk away and continue our search.

justlove91:

Yes nah, the Muslim sect called Teblig, they do "Ijade".

Well i was born a Muslim and throughout the days i spent in that religion i never met any sect coming to visit people in their homes except Jehovah's Witnesses.

justlove91:

Love nwantintin
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I could convert them to fellow Spiritists nah.
I haven't met another Spiritist in Nigeria nah that's why I hope I could convert them so we can hold seance together.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Your god should have ORGANIZED it's friends so that you guys can reach out to people the same way JWs are doing if truly you have something worthwhile to share with your neighbours.
I made my own Bible study conductor sign an agreement that i will only study and know what they believe but as for going out to preach with them i will never join them doing it but by the time my heart was full of life saving informations i myself cancelled the agreement even begging my conductor to help me plead with Jehovah that i never knew the value of what i was learning now i'm zealously preaching from house to house.
So if what you have really worths sharing you will search diligently for your fellow spiritists so you can work together!

MaxInDHouse:

We often feel indebted to anyone who loves the truth but once we notice you don't value it we walk away and continue our search.

Many irreligious people had converted to religion before nah, they didn't bother to ask why I made that decision, what if I made that decision because I grew up with parents that didn't take religion serious therefore I don't either.

Well i was born a Muslim and throughout the days i spent in that religion i never met any sect coming to visit people in their homes except Jehovah's Witnesses.

You may not have seen them but you know Teblig do Ijade.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Your god should have ORGANIZED it's friends so that you guys can reach out to people the same way JWs are doing if truly you have something worthwhile to share with your neighbours.
I made my own Bible study conductor sign an agreement that i will only study and know what they believe but as for going out to preach with them i will never join them doing it but by the time my heart was full of life saving informations i myself cancelled the agreement even begging my conductor to help me plead with Jehovah that i never knew the value of what i was learning now i'm zealously preaching from house to house.
So if what you have really worths sharing you will search diligently for your fellow spiritists so you can work together!

The core of our message is the Golden Rule and very few people would deny not having heard of it, they just don't live by it.

justlove91:

Many irreligious people had converted to religion before nah, they didn't bother to ask why I made that decision, what if I made that decision because I grew up with parents that didn't take religion serious therefore I don't either.

Being irreligious totally differs from lack of deep thoughts, my own parents were Muslims but not that religious unlike my uncle who spent all his life studying about Islam yet when i met Jehovah's Witnesses i said to myself:

"This one totally differs from all the religions i've known all my life"

justlove91:

You may not have seen them but you know Teblig do Ijade.
The core of our message is the Golden Rule and very few people would deny not having heard of it, they just don't live by it.

No religious organization got the liver to go into people's homes except Jehovah's Witnesses.
WHY?
Because they have what it takes to win souls.
That's why i'm telling you to present a group of people using your so called GOLDEN RULE let's see what they're able to achieve with it!

MaxInDHouse:

Being irreligious totally differs from lack of deep thoughts, my own parents were Muslims but not that religious unlike my uncle who spent all his life studying about Islam yet when i met Jehovah's Witnesses i said to myself:

"This one totally differs from all the religions i've known all my life"

No religious organization got the liver to go into people's homes except Jehovah's Witnesses.
WHY?
Because they have what it takes to win souls.
That's why i'm telling you to present a group of people using your so called GOLDEN RULE let's see what they're able to achieve with it!

You still haven't answered the question. Do you know Teblig leave their wives and children to go to Ijade or not ?

justlove91:

You still haven't answered the question. Do you know Teblig leave their wives and children to go to Ijade or not ?

Do they visit people in their homes?

If not their ÌJÁDE can't yield anything positive because when you speak one on one with your audience that's when you're able to prove you know better not when you're moving in groups. The reason why Jesus sent his disciples out in pairs is to avoid being accused wrongly but if you speak one on one with a TRUE Christian you will bow to wisdom from the most wonderful counselor who ever lived: Jesus of Nazareth!

So let your Tebliq ìjáde present the disciples they've made and let's see the impact of their teachings in the lives of their disciples.

Remember i told you that Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so his disciples have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 9:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare Act 1:8} so anywhere on this planet today when people talk of WARS and killings Jehovah's Witnesses are there but none of us will raise a weapon against his fellow man.

I am confidently telling you that today.
You can tell me what your GOLDEN RULE has achieved or the other Tebliq ìjáde!

MaxInDHouse:

Do they visit people in their homes?

Are you special because you visit people in their homes??

Remember i told you that Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so his disciples have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 9:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare Act 1:8} so anywhere on this planet today when people talk of WARS and killings Jehovah's Witnesses are there but none of us will raise a weapon against his fellow man.

Does this mean war lords in the bible eg Moses are not Jehovah witness?