Kayberg:

It's quite funny you guys claim to inherit an earth that is going to pass away.
Is it that you don't believe GOD will terminate this earth or it is too precious to terminate, or that GOD is not capable or powerful enough to terminate it?

Whoever did these to you guys is of the Devil.

Let me quote God's word for you to consider:
And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground (earth) any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.Genesis 8:21

And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever. Psalms 78:69

Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Psalms 104:5
One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. Ecclesiastes 1:4

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite

@ Genesis 8:21 God promised never to destroy the things on the earth again so think about the SYMBOLIC TERMS you're taking literally!

MaxInDHouse:
Let me quote God's word for you to consider:
[b]And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground (earth) any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.Genesis 8:21

But Armageddon will happen that will destroy everything except JWs according to your organisation.

MaxInDHouse:


Let me quote God's word for you to consider:
And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground (earth) any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.Genesis 8:21

And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever. Psalms 78:69

Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Psalms 104:5
One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. Ecclesiastes 1:4

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite

@ Genesis 8:21 God promised never to destroy the things on the earth again so think about the SYMBOLIC TERMS you're taking literally!

Thank you sir

Emusan:

But Armageddon will happen that will destroy everything except JWs according to your organisation.

Armageddon will destroy only evildoers while the beautiful planet, trees and all the animals are preserved.
That's what Peter meant:

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7

So only the UNGODLY will be destroyed the planet did nothing evil against God!

cornelboy:

Thank you sir

Just help me thank Jehovah's Witnesses!

MaxInDHouse:
Armageddon will destroy only evildoers while the beautiful planet, trees and all the animals are preserved.
That's what Peter meant:

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7

So only the UNGODLY will be destroyed the planet did nothing evil against God!

You quoted 2 Peter 3:7 you still cherry pick what you quoted

I guess this part "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire..." is symbolic as usual, right?

This doesn't support your point Oga Ade

MaxInDHouse:


Armageddon will destroy only evildoers while the beautiful planet, trees and all the animals are preserved.
That's what Peter meant:

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7

So only the UNGODLY will be destroyed the planet did nothing evil against God!

Imagine how you quoted a passage and translated it to something else entirely!
Who are you trying to deceive and mislead?

Do you even understand what you quoted in 2 Peter 3:7 at all?
You see there that it was written the heavens and the earth, which are still existing now, which are kept in store by the same word are reserved unto fire!
You guys can't even deceive me. Only fools will believe your explanation of that verse you contorted.

See what you're finding it very very difficult to understand!

2 Peter 3 (KJV)
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⁷ But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

…
¹⁰ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
¹¹ Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
¹² Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

The Bible repeatedly said they shall be burned up and dissolved!

You sound so Satanic with your misinterpretations.

Kayberg:

Do you even understand what you quoted in 2 Peter 3:7

I don't have to respond to the other man he's not interested in God's word.

Now this is what Peter said:
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:5-7

So Peter isn't talking about the destruction of this planet because the heavens and earth of old was mentioned.
Did God destroy heaven and earth back then?
NO!
Only evil people were destroyed but out of anger other creatures were affected, Peter now said by the same pronouncement both the heavens (rulers now in control) and the earth (faithless miscreants troubling the world) will be utterly destroyed, that's the import of ungodly men mentioned in the verse.

For your information the HEAVENS means human rulers that people are looking forward to for relief just as the earth looks forward to the heavens for rainfall and sunshine {Isaiah 55:10} but they always promise and fail. Ecclesiastes 8:9
The EARTH are faithless miscreants troubling the planet and making life unbearable for both their own rulers and their neighbours. Isaiah 57:20

That's why your understanding of the scriptures totally negates what God said in the old testament about the earth made to last forever! Genesis 8:21; Ecclesiastes 1:4

MaxInDHouse:
I don't have to respond to the other man he's not interested in God's word.

When he didn't even talk about OTHER MAN in his post, yet you still find a way to brought the OTHER MAN in as the other man isn't interested in God's Word.

So which word does this other man interested in?

Emusan:


When he didn't even talk about OTHER MAN in his post, yet you still find a way to brought the OTHER MAN in as the other man isn't interested in God's Word.

So which word does this other man interested in?

And ended up completely ignoring the passage where the guy quoted which says the earth shall be dissolved 😂😂😂😂 a true clown is maxindhouse

TrumpBiden:

earth shall be dissolved

It's not the literal earth otherwise that will make God a liar for making a vow and breaking His own vow! Genesis 8:22

The earth here refers to faithless miscreants making up the largest population of the planet!

MaxInDHouse:


It's not the literal earth otherwise that will make God a liar for making a vow and breaking His own vow! Genesis 8:22

The earth here refers to faithless miscreants making up the largest population of the planet!

😂😂😂😂 It's your pride and ego for me.

Your sound like a dunce 🤣🤣🤣.

Anyways, the GB has released new guidelines, so go and read, you have a lot of work to do.

MaxInDHouse:


It's not the literal earth otherwise that will make God a liar for making a vow and breaking His own vow! Genesis 8:22

The earth here refers to faithless miscreants making up the largest population of the planet!

So, the watch tower with their speculations programmed you to believe that the earth in that passage is not the world but human being, ofcourse your Jehovah is a lier. 🤣🤣🤣

The same Jehovah that said the earth is going to end in 1975. He's such a lier.

Careful if not the Satan you believe is the ruler of your world and life will kill you soon 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Such a fool

A totally new account registered on October 2 and very aggressive one indeed.
Please try another means this one has been exposed!

TrumpBiden:

😂😂😂😂 It's your pride and ego for me.
Your sound like a dunce 🤣🤣🤣.
Anyways, the GB has released new guidelines, so go and read, you have a lot of work to do.

TrumpBiden:

So, the watch tower with their speculations programmed you to believe that the earth in that passage is not the world but human being, ofcourse your Jehovah is a lier. 🤣🤣🤣
The same Jehovah that said the earth is going to end in 1975. He's such a lier.
Careful if not the Satan you believe is the ruler of your world and life will kill you soon 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Such a fool

MaxInDHouse:
A totally new account registered on October 2 and very aggressive one indeed.
Please try another means this one has been exposed!

And the sore loser ran 😂😂

MaxInDHouse:
It's not the literal earth otherwise that will make God a liar for making a vow and breaking His own vow! Genesis 8:22

The earth here refers to faithless miscreants making up the largest population of the planet!

The day you people will stop using the word "literally" is the day your salvation draws near.

The same 2 Peter 3:10 mentioned the "ELEMENTS" which means it's not about human but the very elements that make up the heavens and the Earth.

"But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment"


Your own translation put it this way "But Jehovah’s* day+ will come as a thief,+ in which the heavens will pass away+ with a roar,* but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed."

That's why Watchtower teaches that it'll be a miracle for JWs to survive the event.

When you don't even understand your own organisation teachings

MaxInDHouse:


I don't have to respond to the other man he's not interested in God's word.

Now this is what Peter said:
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:5-7

So Peter isn't talking about the destruction of this planet because the heavens and earth of old was mentioned.
Did God destroy heaven and earth back then?
NO!
Only evil people were destroyed but out of anger other creatures were affected, Peter now said by the same pronouncement both the heavens (rulers now in control) and the earth (faithless miscreants troubling the world) will be utterly destroyed, that's the import of ungodly men mentioned in the verse.

For your information the HEAVENS means human rulers that people are looking forward to for relief just as the earth looks forward to the heavens for rainfall and sunshine {Isaiah 55:10} but they always promise and fail. Ecclesiastes 8:9
The EARTH are faithless miscreants troubling the planet and making life unbearable for both their own rulers and their neighbours. Isaiah 57:20

That's why your understanding of the scriptures totally negates what God said in the old testament about the earth made to last forever! Genesis 8:21; Ecclesiastes 1:4

You're openly rejecting the truth of the Word of GOD.
How can you change what has been written to make it suit your delusions?

You read plainly they were reserved for the burning but you said it's not true!

We're done…
Enemy of the truth spotted.

Kayberg:

You're openly rejecting the truth of the Word of GOD. How can you change what has been written to make it suit your delusions? You read plainly they were reserved for the burning but you said it's not true!
We're done…
Enemy of the truth spotted.

There's no problem go and preach what you understand while i preach what i understand it's not a Boko Haram case where someone will insist that others shouldn't preach what they believe.
So you're free to express yourself just as i'm also free to express myself.

Thanks for your time!

MaxInDHouse:


There's no problem go and preach what you understand while i preach what i understand it's not a Boko Haram case where someone will insist that others shouldn't preach what they believe.
So you're free to express yourself just as i'm also free to express myself.

Thanks for your time!

This is not about preaching what you understand, this is about preaching the truth!
Stop misleading souls!

cornelboy
You said Jesus spent the next three days unconscious in hell and God raised him up the third day.

How can you say JESUS CHRIST was unconscious for three days in Hell when the Bible said otherwise?

1 Peter 3 (KJV)
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¹⁸ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
¹⁹ By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
²⁰ Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Can someone unconscious preach to the souls in Hell?

Why are you guys so full of lies and deception?

Kayberg:

This is not about preaching what you understand, this is about preaching the truth!
Stop misleading souls!

Good!

Go and preach your truth to those that will take it i will also preach my truth to those that will accept it.
There is FREEDOM of SPEECH, EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION so nobody can stop anyone from preaching whatever they UNDERSTAND as truth or are you Boko Haram?

Kayberg:

cornelboy
You said Jesus spent the next three days unconscious in hell and God raised him up the third day.
How can you say JESUS CHRIST was unconscious for three days in Hell when the Bible said otherwise?
1 Peter 3 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¹⁸ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
¹⁹ By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
²⁰ Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Can someone unconscious preach to the souls in Hell? Why are you guys so full of lies and deception?

Guy Jesus was UNCONSCIOUS for 3 days and 3 nights he was nowhere to be found until God raised him from his UNCONSCIOUS state. Act 2:32; 3:15

The preaching simply means his death sounds a warning to all rebellious angels that God can send them to non-existence.

Jesus was one of the angels before his earthly mission and they have all been alive since their creation till today so for Jesus to have been in a state of UNCONSCIOUSNESS means they can also be sentenced to non-existence.

That's what Peter meant not that dead Jesus was somewhere preaching to anyone the dead are conscious of nothing at all! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

MaxInDHouse:


Guy Jesus was UNCONSCIOUS for 3 days and 3 nights he was nowhere to be found until God raised him from his UNCONSCIOUS state. Act 2:32; 3:15

The preaching simply means his death sounds a warning to all rebellious angels that God can send them to non-existence.

Jesus was one of the angels before his earthly mission and they have all been alive since their creation till today so for Jesus to have been in a state of UNCONSCIOUSNESS means they can also be sentenced to non-existence.

That's what Peter meant not that dead Jesus was somewhere preaching to anyone the dead are conscious of nothing at all! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

You claim He was unconscious but He was in Hell, preaching to those there!. That does not rhyme with your description of being unconscious in Hell.
The body might be unconscious, but never the souls.

He was nowhere to be found, but His body was in the sepulchre!
How far are you still going to go with your deception?

JESUS CHRIST was never an Angel… mind you. I know you're gonna yell He's Angel Michael, but still not true, but just another heretic doctrine of you JWs.

You just keep rejecting the truth of the Word of GOD over what you have been fed in your Kingdom Halls.

Do you even understand anything about the way of the Spirit at all?

MaxInDHouse:


Good!

Go and preach your truth to those that will take it i will also preach my truth to those that will accept it.
There is FREEDOM of SPEECH, EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION so nobody can stop anyone from preaching whatever they UNDERSTAND as truth or are you Boko Haram?

But your truth is all lies, mistakes, heresy, deception and contorted doctrines which is holding souls down for condemnation!!!

Kayberg:
cornelboy
You said Jesus spent the next three days unconscious in hell and God raised him up the third day.

How can you say JESUS CHRIST was unconscious for three days in Hell when the Bible said otherwise?

1 Peter 3 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹⁸ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
¹⁹ By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
²⁰ Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Can someone unconscious preach to the souls in Hell?

Why are you guys so full of lies and deception?

Acts 2:31-32
[31]He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
[32]This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

What would have happened if Jesus' soul was left in hell and wasn't raised by God?
Don't you see that when Jesus died, he was lifeless, helpless and unconscious in hell (grave) untill God raised him the third day?

Even if he was conscious in hell, is hell the same as paradise lol? Did he promise the thief hell that day?

cornelboy:

Acts 2:31-32
[31]He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
[32]This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

What would have happened if Jesus' soul was left in hell and wasn't raised by God?
Don't you see that when Jesus died, he was lifeless, helpless and unconscious in hell (grave) untill God raised him the third day?

Even if he was conscious in hell, is hell the same as paradise lol? Did he promise the thief hell that day?

How do you always read your Bible to interpret it upside down?

Who told you JESUS CHRIST was helpless when He died on the cross?
Have you not read?:

John 10 (KJV)
¹⁷ Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
¹⁸ No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

How then was He helpless?

Most of you who go about trying to teach still need being taught!

Kayberg:



How do you always read your Bible to interpret it upside down?

Who told you JESUS CHRIST was helpless when He died on the cross?
Have you not read?:

John 10 (KJV)
¹⁷ Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
¹⁸ No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

How then was He helpless?

Most of you who go about trying to teach still need being taught!

Did Jesus go to paradise that day with the thief?

Did Jesus raised himself up or God raised him?

Why was he praying to God to take the cup away from his head that night before his arrest if he wasn't depending on God lol?

The power Jesus was depending on was his Father's

cornelboy:

Did Jesus go to paradise that day with the thief?

Did Jesus raised himself up or God raised him?

Why was he praying to God to take the cup away from his head that night before his arrest if he wasn't depending on God lol?

The power Jesus was depending on was his Father's

JESUS CHRIST lived a life that teaches us to rely on GOD when we are in need/trouble… And I know you can't know that…

John 10 (KJV)
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¹⁷ Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
¹⁸ No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Kayberg:



JESUS CHRIST lived a life that teaches us to rely on GOD when we are in need/trouble… And I know you can't know that…

John 10 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹⁷ Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
¹⁸ No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus was literally dead for three days before God raised him.
Jesus was depending on God for his resurrection.
He was in an unconscious and helpless state, he could never have raised himself up.

The thief and Jesus never went to paradise that same day did they?

You keep dodging my question lol

Kayberg:

But your truth is all lies, mistakes, heresy, deception and contorted doctrines which is holding souls down for condemnation!!!

That is exactly what Boko Haram says before they start killing people so leave that to God preach your own you're not God to judge if you say mine is lies i also believe yours is lies so it's only God that can judge that.

The only evidence to know who is saying the truth you will not accept it Jesus said:

"By their FRUITS you will know" Matthew 7:16-18

Real disciples of Christ preach and teach from house to house {Matthew 10:11-13} they are not protesters against the government {Matthew 5:41} they don't join military to kill people {Matthew 26:52} they love neighbours {Mark 12:31} they have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} they don't think of killing their enemies but always pray for them! Luke 6:27-28

All these you can't present any group practicing it yet the one and only organization teaching their members to continue observing all these things as commanded by Christ Jesus {Matthew 28:20} you say they're teaching is wrong! John 16:2

So if all these evidences means nothing to you then there's no reason to continue arguing blindly!

MaxInDHouse:


I don't need it the topic of discussion here is Trump and his supporters aren't Christians going by the words of Jesus of Nazareth.

Trump can be a member of any so called churches but the fact remains that what Jesus taught about his disciples and their activities totally negates what Trump and his supporters are doing so if you say the man is not a Christian does that mean you're demeaning his church?

I'm not sure I fully understand your point in the bolded part.

IjeBos:

I'm not sure I fully understand your point in the bolded part.

If you say Trump is not a Christian does that mean you're condemning his church (religion)?

Most people misconstrued the group name CHRISTIANS for nice people so if a person has questionable character they will conclude that all those worshiping in the same place with him are guilty of the same offense it's like saying "Jesus' disciples are a symbol of betrayal" since Judas and Peter both betrayed him but is that the truth? NO!
So what disqualifies Trump from being one of the disciples of Christ?
It's his character which he is not ready to stop therefore those hailing him aren't Christians because they're hailing bad behavior.
Paul said LOVE does not rejoice with unrighteousness! 1Corinthians 13:6


So when i said Trump and those hailing him are not Christians it doesn't mean i'm talking about his religion but himself as a person and those hailing him.