On point!!!!!!

we can list out so many countries .. from the most welcoming to the least welcoming like Japan which is extreme

kwakudtraveller:

Didn’t Nigerians ask Ghanaians to leave at some point? No one truly likes foreigners, go to Switzerland and see how those ones lift up their noses at their fellow white immigrants. This thing is everywhere and it’s not unique to the UK. After all, SA dey show Nigerians pepper.

kwakudtraveller:

There’s a clear distinction between those who Japa to the US versus the UK. You would never see a financial analyst move to the US and settle as a care worker . They always go into their chosen field and they are a lot more ambitious. Nigerians get remote work from companies in the US, talk more of actually living there. And as for those who had zero experience in Nigeria, some just work part time as a healthcare assistant as a way to pay their way through nursing school. They have a go-getter mindset because all the people around them have that same mindset. You would never hear anyone who moved to the states say being a care worker is better than getting a PSW Lol.

Question; why is it so?

kwakudtraveller:

This is not entirely true, it’s just a mindset that we have. The UK is always hustling for Doctors and people in STEM. Besides, if you have a specialised skillset as a surgeon, physio therapist etc, they will rush you. Some of these "undesirable" roles are the easiest way to get into their system. I mean, why pay for a Master’s degree when I can get a job as a healthcare assistant?! So it just makes sense as a short term plan to get into the UK. As for your HR, be like say she be small winch.

Sponsorship is harder to get outside health and few sectors dominated by global firms like financial consultancy. Outside these areas sponsorship is very hard and the government still raised the bar higher against these sectors (leaving the health related fields that are easier untouched).

Many do not mind from my experience, but I strongly suspect there are a significant proportion not happy that immigrants from Africa came to justle for experienced professional roles with them, particularly at the mid cadre level.

My employer for instance has the license but rarely offers visa sponsorship. We have roles open for many months which with visa sponsorship you would get someone that would probably do it for less than the amount.

Ideally a business that is looking to drive efficiency and bring down cost should be open to sampling the entire pool of talent, but many UK firms are not really into the immigrant thing for experienced role except when it is very tight for them. Which is why many have the license but would not even consider applicants requiring sponsorship who claim to have the requisite skill.

kwakudtraveller:

This is not entirely true, it’s just a mindset that we have. The UK is always hustling for Doctors and people in STEM. Besides, if you have a specialised skillset as a surgeon, physio therapist etc, they will rush you. Some of these "undesirable" roles are the easiest way to get into their system. I mean, why pay for a Master’s degree when I can get a job as a healthcare assistant?! So it just makes sense as a short term plan to get into the UK. As for your HR, be like say she be small winch.

from the recent immigration stats, it's not true, check the number of visas given, what's the rush there

Resurgent2016:


Sponsorship is harder to get outside health and few sectors dominated by global firms like financial consultancy. Outside these areas sponsorship is very hard and the government still raised the bar higher against these sectors (leaving the health related fields that are easier untouched).

Many do not mind from my experience, but I strongly suspect there are a significant proportion not happy that immigrants from Africa came to justle for experienced professional roles with them, particularly at the mid cadre level.

My employer for instance has the license but rarely offers visa sponsorship. We have roles open for many months which with visa sponsorship you would get someone that would probably do it for less than the amount.

Ideally a business that is looking to drive efficiency and bring down cost should be open to sampling the entire pool of talent, but many UK firms are not really into the immigrant thing for experienced role except when it is very tight for them. Which is why many have the license but would not even consider applicants requiring sponsorship who claim to have the requisite skill.

That is why I keep asking who are they giving visas to which warrants all the noise, that's why when Zahra said easier access to foreign workers, I kept wondering which access.

profemebee:
On point!!!!!!

we can list out so many countries .. from the most welcoming to the least welcoming like Japan which is extreme

Japan is so unique, you can visit but can’t live there. To work for them, you have to learn business Japanese which is entirely different from regular Japanese. Even at that, there’s only a certain level that you can get to. That’s why a large chunk of black people who move there work as teachers. UK is friendly o, imagine a man born to Pakistani parents as the PM. An Igbo man can’t even run for governor in Lagos state Lol

Goke7:


Question; why is it so?

The answer is in the comment 😊

kwakudtraveller:

The answer is in the comment 😊

so folks in the UK are not ambitious and don't have a go-getter mindset, with due respect, you're wrong

Goke7:


from the recent immigration stats, it's not true, check the number of visas given, what's the rush there

I’m lost, this is the data and work visas went up by 95%. So what figures are you comparing it to?

Overview
The Home Office granted 2,836,490 visas in 2022 – 11% fewer or -335,239 than pre-pandemic grants of leave in 2019. The breakdown of categories is as follows:
Visit visas – 49%
Study visas – 22%
Work visas – 15% (267,670, +95% from 2019)
Family visas – 3%
Other reasons – 11%, including Ukraine Schemes and BN(O) route

Goke7:


there was never easier access Zahra, the problem has always been people getting into the cross-fire of UK immigration even when they are in legally and just doing their work and taking care of their families, the Uk always use the excuse of those fraudulently gaining access and cheap labour to disrupt the lives of those already gaining a foothold in the system and abiding lawfully. The Uk seems to always fail to protect such people. So many Nurses work in care homes and how many of them will get a chance to work in the NHS, that's where the problem lies. It's okay to say they should get lost, no problem. And excuse me, talking about the unemployed British, are we saying there are no jobs at all for them with the purported job vacancies of over a million? It's not that companies are sponsoring so many foreign workers that much to undercut locals, I always find this so boggling.

Re the bolded, is there more behind why these nurses are working in care homes?
I know a lady who was a qualified doctor in Nigeria. She moved here but could not pass her medical exams, so she had to get work in a care home instead. This was many years ago. However even if she was British she still would not have been able to work as a doctor without passing the relevant exams.

Of course a lot of immigrants are affected when policies change and disrupt their plans. But it's not an agenda against immigrants per se.The bottom line is that the UK in general does not like high levels of migration and will always make moves to limit it.

Ticha:


It is incredibly hard to remove a tenant who knows the process and tenants do have more rights than landlords and rightly so. It is the tenants home and the right to have a suitable roof over a human's head trumps another human's want to make money for services rendered. After all, they're the perceived underdogs in that relationship. It's only the tenant or a court that can end the tenancy. When the landlord says I want my house back, tenant has to say yes, otherwise Oga landlord has to wait. It currently takes about 12 - 14 months to go through the whole court process of removing a tenant.

A S21 is a catch all eviction notice. Most landlords will use it so the tenant has a lower chance of challenging it as they they just want their house back rather than explicitly stating what the issue is and then it being drawn out further. A section 8 is easier to take through court as the landlord/ agent so when an agent does use it, you know they're serious about getting you out.


Although, all eviction notices are 2 months, the tenants can choose not to leave, can choose to stop paying rent and can choose to frustrate the landlord every step of the way through the court system and there is absolutely nothing the landlord can do other than wait out the process and apply for a CCJ against the tenant at the end.

The notices also expire and all need certain conditions to be met which is where it catches out DIY landlords. If those conditions are not met when it gets to court - however long it takes - it'll be thrown out and the landlord needs to issue the notice again and wait 2 month before starting the court process. If you win the case, then you need to instruct and pay bailiffs and hope that they are available soon as waiting times for bailiffs is now also between 2 to 6 months across the country.

Going to court also costs money - of course costs can be charged back to either the landlord or tenant but the willingness to pay nko? One of our tenants paid back £3800 at £5 a week. Of course we could have done a financial disclosure but again, it means going back to court, then paying to have their payslips and bank statements collected so the financial disclosure can be done. In the meantime, they can resign, move away, change names, go self employed, declare a reduction in earnings and frustrate that process.

A landlord can be banned from landlording, they can be forced to sell properties to meet requirements and regulations and sometimes spurious ones too. If you own a HMO, then your name and address is on a public register that all and sundry can access. In Scotland and Wales, rents are capped, and every landlord is on a register. Rent increases can be challenged and often won when done according to stats. Direct payments can be stopped and other than these notices which totally relies on the goodwill on the tenant, court is likely the only option to get your property back if that goodwill is not there.

With all that you have said, does it mean the lady that brought up the issue originally can choose not to leave the house until about a year when the landlord would have been through with the court process, however the landlord can charge back everything to her yeah?

And in situations where the landlord does not follow court process, it is the tenant that should go to court just like the guy that the landlady removed his door?

Goke7:


so folks in the UK are not ambitious and don't have a go-getter mindset, with due respect, you're wrong

Okay.

kwakudtraveller:

I’m lost, this is the data and work visas went up by 95%. So what figures are you comparing it to?

Overview
The Home Office granted 2,836,490 visas in 2022 – 11% fewer or -335,239 than pre-pandemic grants of leave in 2019. The breakdown of categories is as follows:
Visit visas – 49%
Study visas – 22%
Work visas – 15% (267,670, +95% from 2019)
Family visas – 3%
Other reasons – 11%, including Ukraine Schemes and BN(O) route

These numbers do not tell the story.

-Go to any job website, apply to 50 companies on the sponsorship list.

-Pick the lower end of the salary scale, just to be sure you are not outpricing yourself and you are potentially offering them cost savings

-Insist on visa sponsorship as a condition to joining.

Let us know how many offers you get or even second interviews.

Exclude medical, NHS, big accounting or other firms where the culture is different for various reasons.

Come back and tell us the stats.

Resurgent2016:


Sponsorship is harder to get outside health and few sectors dominated by global firms like financial consultancy. Outside these areas sponsorship is very hard and the government still raised the bar higher against these sectors (leaving the health related fields that are easier untouched).

Many do not mind from my experience, but I strongly suspect there are a significant proportion not happy that immigrants from Africa came to justle for experienced professional roles with them, particularly at the mid cadre level.

My employer for instance has the license but rarely offers visa sponsorship. We have roles open for many months which with visa sponsorship you would get someone that would probably do it for less than the amount.

Ideally a business that is looking to drive efficiency and bring down cost should be open to sampling the entire pool of talent, but many UK firms are not really into the immigrant thing for experienced role except when it is very tight for them. Which is why many have the license but would not even consider applicants requiring sponsorship who claim to have the requisite skill.

Interesting take. However, from what you have said, it sounds more like a company problem and not a government problem. The companies are hostile towards hiring immigrants because of sponsorship as it’s a cost that they are not willing to bear or a hoop they are not willing to jump over.

Zahra29:


Re the bolded, is there more behind why these nurses are working in care homes?
I know a lady who was a qualified doctor in Nigeria. She moved here but could not pass her medical exams, so she had to get work in a care home instead. This was many years ago. However even if she was British she still would not have been able to work as a doctor without passing the relevant exams.

Of course a lot of immigrants are affected when policies change and disrupt their plans. But it's not an agenda against immigrants per se.The bottom line is that the UK in general does not like high levels of migration and will always make moves to limit it.

are they not the ones more qualified to work there than folks with no skill or experience? some also say they earn way more there so are they not at liberty to make such a decision? No country likes high levels of migration but if the UK is a strong advocate of family safeguarding, the current policies negate such which comes as a huge surprise to many. We'll see how it goes sha

Resurgent2016:


These numbers do not tell the story.

-Go to any job website, apply to 50 companies on the sponsorship list.

-Pick the lower end of the salary scale, just to be sure you are not outpricing yourself and you are potentially offering them cost savings

-Insist on visa sponsorship as a condition to joining.

Let us know how many offers you get or even second interviews.

Exclude medical, NHS, big accounting or other firms where the culture is different for various reasons.

Come back and tell us the stats.

You are asking me to go do my own practical research when the figures are glaring. You can’t use hear say and non existent data as a benchmark for your argument.

For home insurance, going directly to the insurer's site, I got a quote of £471/year, going to the same insurer's site from compare the market I got £271/year, going from confused.com I got £152/year. This is for all the extras selected etc.

I want to go for the cheapest quote but I'm kind of worried if all is not what it seems.

Is there a difference or will there be an issue if I buy using the quote I'm getting from comparison sites?

How won't it tell the story bro??

You're arguing with stats from uk gov

Not hear say stats.. official stats?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2022/summary-of-latest-statistics

We should go by hear say? or daddy freeze? or vibes ? or beer parlor gist??

C'mon .. lets be logical

Resurgent2016:


These numbers do not tell the story.

-Go to any job website, apply to 50 companies on the sponsorship list.

-Pick the lower end of the salary scale, just to be sure you are not outpricing yourself and you are potentially offering them cost savings

-Insist on visa sponsorship as a condition to joining.

Let us know how many offers you get or even second interviews.

Exclude medical, NHS, big accounting or other firms where the culture is different for various reasons.

Come back and tell us the stats.

profemebee:
How won't it tell the story bro??

You're arguing with stats from uk gov

Not hear say stats.. official stats?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2022/summary-of-latest-statistics

We should go by hear say? or daddy freeze? or vibes ? or beer parlor gist??

C'mon .. lets be logical

Lol at this point, it’s getting quite silly.

like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you should go do research when the government body that gives the visa has shown you data.. lol

Mehnnnn.. i don't understand again

kwakudtraveller:

You mentioned visa stats and I showed you the stats and now you are asking me to go and do my own practical research? What figures were you referring to in your initial comment about visas granted? I would like to see those numbers as you can’t use hear say and non existent data as a benchmark for your argument.

tbh.. it is disappointing.. very disappointing

kwakudtraveller:

Lol at this point, it’s getting quite silly.

profemebee:
then tell that to those who started the conversation of comparing to other english speaking western nations

I only reacted to someone saying UK isn't immigration-friendly

Also, you can't compare the average income of USA with the UK...

The cost of living is higher in the States than UK, and people are one sickness away from being financially bankrupt.. because of the healthcare ish we all know

...and paycheck

kwakudtraveller:

Interesting take. However, from what you have said, it sounds more like a company problem and not a government problem. The companies are hostile towards hiring immigrants because of sponsorship as it’s a cost that they are not willing to bear or a hoop they are not willing to jump over.

Not necessarily a cost issue. With 3-5k, you can sponsor a candidate for 3-5 years (amortized, that is 1k per year or thereabout). Most of these candidates would accept an offer at the lower end of the pay band, potentially saving the company up to 10k a year.

If the government is looking to truly improve productivity and drive cost competitiveness in the economy, it should be removing the bottlenecks keeping immigrants out of these sectors. Rather then government threw another spanner into the wheel leaving the field (healthcare and NHS) that is likely responsible for most of the work visas.

I have experienced it firsthand, so its not much about the stats this is the reality on the ground.

See how many immigrants are making waves in innovative sectors in the USA and compare it to the UK. In the UK, you would probably need to be at least in your first generation or have spent decades to have that kind of opportunity.

toughest007:


So sorry for the stress you are experiencing.

Why not try and weigh the possible risks of having to continue living with that stranger against the stress of moving out. I would go for the former. I'd recommend you ask for more time to enable you sort yourself out and leave.

possible risks of having to continue living with that stranger against the stress of moving out

possible risks of having to continue living with that stranger = former
the stress of moving out = later.

The thing dey confuse me too before.

kwakudtraveller:

I’m lost, this is the data and work visas went up by 95%. So what figures are you comparing it to?

Overview
The Home Office granted 2,836,490 visas in 2022 – 11% fewer or -335,239 than pre-pandemic grants of leave in 2019. The breakdown of categories is as follows:
Visit visas – 49%
Study visas – 22%
Work visas – 15% (267,670, +95% from 2019)
Family visas – 3%
Other reasons – 11%, including Ukraine Schemes and BN(O) route

good you are here, from the stats, can't you see it's student and visit visas that are way more than work visas?

Let me also break down work visas for you, they comprise healthcare visas, skilled worker visas, Global talent visas, post-study visas, and Innovator visas. Both Global Talent, post-study, and innovator visas do not need sponsorship. For healthcare, the majority is care visas.

In the last year outside of healthcare visas, only 66,000 skilled worker visas, and when you factor in again the different categories like the breakdown I did above, how many of your so-called STEM visas do you think are being issued? For healthcare in the last year, just over 114,000 visas were given of which care visas are the majority so please tell me where these STEM visas are being rushed and given. Ghosts?

profemebee:
How won't it tell the story bro??

You're arguing with stats from uk gov

Not hear say stats.. official stats?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2022/summary-of-latest-statistics

We should go by hear say? or daddy freeze? or vibes ? or beer parlor gist??

C'mon .. lets be logical

so you think for a country with 5th largest economy in the world, this is much? Jesus, 22,000 decisions on sponsorship licenses, My God!

Resurgent2016:


Not necessarily a cost issue. With 3-5k, you can sponsor a candidate for 3-5 years (amortized, that is 1k per year or thereabout). Most of these candidates would accept an offer at the lower end of the pay band, potentially saving the company up to 10k a year.

If the government is looking to truly improve productivity and drive cost competitiveness in the economy, it should be removing the bottlenecks keeping immigrants out of these sectors. Rather then government threw another spanner into the wheel leaving the field (healthcare and NHS) that is likely responsible for most of the work visas.

I have experienced it firsthand, so its not much about the stats this is the reality on the ground.

See how many immigrants are making waves in innovative sectors in the USA and compare it to the UK. In the UK, you would probably need to be at least in your first generation or have spent decades to have that kind of opportunity.

the stats say the story bruv, folks are just looking at the thousands not minding the GDP size of this country. I laugh in Spanish

but i already shared the % of immigrants to population and it is just 1% behind the world's largest economy... 15% to 14%... soooooo

Goke7:


so you think for a country with 5th largest economy in the world, this is much? Jesus, 22,000 decisions on sponsorship licenses, My God!

Viruses:


possible risks of having to continue living with that stranger against the stress of moving out

possible risks of having to continue living with that stranger = former
the stress of moving out = later.

The thing dey confuse me too before.

Thanks for this mate!

Can be confusing, but I can bet my 1cent that my brain and eyes coordinated and read the latter, but my silly fingers were typing the former...

Gone back to modify it to avoid confusion.

Please, who has travelled with Kenyan Airlines? How much was charged for an extra luggage (23kg)?

Goke7:


good you are here, from the stats, can't you see it's student and visit visas that are way more than work visas?

Let me also break down work visas for you, they comprise healthcare visas, skilled worker visas, Global talent visas, post-study visas, and Innovator visas. Both Global Talent, post-study, and innovator visas do not need sponsorship. For healthcare, the majority is care visas.

In the last year outside of healthcare visas, only 66,000 skilled worker visas, and when you factor in again the different categories like the breakdown I did above, how many of your so-called STEM visas do you think are being issued? For healthcare in the last year, just over 114,000 visas were given of which care visas are the majority so please tell me where these STEM visas are being rushed and given. Ghosts?

You should read this detailed report. https://www.lauradevine.com/news/home-office-publishes-latest-immigration-statistics-2/

I believe that we have established that Healthcare visas are the easiest to get hence the reason why people are rushing to it, so ofcause the numbers would be high. But it doesn’t take away from the actual fact that other visas are equally being granted. It’s this misinformation of "companies are not offering sponsorship” that’s causing people to go through the presumed easiest route.

https://aviationmetric.com/foreign-airlines-at-breaking-point-over-792million-stuck-funds-expansion-threatened-may-cease-operations-to-nigeria/

sad stuff... they can't get their money..