basilico:


Show one thing I wrote above that's not correct.
Or forever hold your peace..

wirinet:

Video and audio evidence of your intentions to commit crime is admissible in court.

budaatum:


Everything you write is not correct!

wirinet:


MAGAs are conclusive proof that Homo Sapiens have an insatiable urge to worship. They started by worshipping the sun and the planets, they moved to worshipping animals, trees and inanimate objects like stone, statues, mountains, rivers, etc. Finally they ended up worshipping mere mortals - powerful men including evil ones.

MAGAs make every excuse to justify their worship of him. Steve Bannon had hinted us long before the elections that Trump will never concede the elections. (He had never conceded any election he lost or thought he lost). The plan for holding onto power illegally has been in place even before the elections. The plan was to cause chaos during the certification and have the Vice President either recognise Trump's selected electors or have him delay the certification by sending the electors back to the states. What foiled the coup was Pence refusal to go along, and for that MAGAs were ready to hang Mike Pence. Imagine a whole US vice president running for his life from MAGAs and a section of the secret service.
The ppan failed, and instead of Trump to face prosecutions, MAGAs are minimising the coup (some call it Insurrection) and calling it a mere tour of the Capitol.

bemeruca:


So this happened in 2020 abi 2021. Why haven't you given them the evidence so they can lock him up?

basilico:


More credence that the indictment of Trump is a complete sham. Jack Smith files a motion preventing trump from.introducing additional evidence to what Jack ha gathered. How rich. You are charged, exculpatory evidence is kept from the jury. The court ivit grants him this effort means only that Jack's evidence is the only one to be considered.
If there is evidence that feds were active in the crowd formenting chaos , then he does not want the jury to see that..
As one example Jack' an Colorado quote Trump saying " fight like hell' as evidence he told the crowd to be violent. They skip a major thing he exhorted his supporters to march and protest peacefully. Again fight like hell never means go rough things up.
At the same time Twitter deleted a tweet from Trump telling his supporters to go home once the chaos got out of hand.

bemeruca:


The one Maga that was caught asking people to storm the building on video was the one Budaatum CNN and you guys were defending 🤣 he was putting on a Maga hat but you guys love him nonetheless

bemeruca:


but you are talking about trump, Zendi is talking about trump. he does not have issues with lawbreakers facing the music.

bemeruca:


So this happened in 2020 abi 2021. Why haven't you given them the evidence so they can lock him up?

wirinet:

This is because Trump has been employing his famed delay tactics in slowing the legal process. He has employed his enormous influence to stall every process of the investigations and trial. Even up till now his lawyers are fighting a quick resolution of the various court trials. He is hoping to stall the trials until after the elections and then claim immunity if he wins the presidency.

wirinet:

I hope you are aware that the one Maga that was caught asking people to storm the building whom you Ultra Magas accuse of being an FBI mole has filed a defamation lawsuits against Fox News. So fox news is being provided with opportunity to prove the allegations in court.

LordReed:


He didn't start with Trump and as I demonstrated Trump does have a case to answer.

On J6, Trump organized a Rally, not a Riot. However, a number of lawbreakers turned a part of the lawful Rally to Riots and Trespassing. Those who took part in the lawbreaking should be held accountable.
But molehils should be prosecuted as molehills, not as mountains.
Secondly, the organizer of the officially authorized Rally should not be roped into the Riot and Trespassing, modified into Insurrection and/or Coup making.

LordReed:


So why do you have problem with the lawbreakers being made to face the music?

If you organize a party in the Hilton and your party invitees trash the hotel, who do you think the hotel management will hold responsible?

bemeruca:

this is what you responded to with a bad analogy:


Zendi made clear that those who took part in breaking the law should be held accountable. This is your response:


then your bad analogy started.

even if trump organised a rally, he asked them to peacefully make their voice heard, He did not ask them to storm the building or fight with the guards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UILCtm_ALMI

LordReed:


You understand what aquestion is right?


He asked them to stop a lawful process, he has a case to answer. You calling it a bad analogy won't change the facts.

bemeruca:


I am calling your Party analogy bad because it does not apply to this situation.
He asked them to make their voices heard and be peaceful. You cannot peacefully stop a process where there are guards. He never asked them to stop any process.

So provide evidence where he asked them to stop the process.

bemeruca:


Why are you guys supporting him? He was caught, right? People called him what he is. Is he a fed? They ask! Why is he the one that you guys are defending? Was his hat abamade?

Filing a defamation lawsuit does not mean he did not do what he was doing. The question I am putting to you is: If people are locked up for asking people to riot and storm the building, something Trump did not do but you're claiming he did because of Trump Derangement Syndrome, yet the one man who was on video doing it is the one man y'all are supporting, then Zendi is 100% correct.

wirinet:


No one is supporting him. Most people had not even heard of him until you guys brought up his name.
In am desperate attempt to defend trump and exonerate him from planing and executing the January 6 coup, you guys spawn all sorts of conspiracy theories. First it was antifa that organized and carried out the Riots. When there was no iota of evidence, you guys switched to FBI. Fox news and Tucker Carlson then brought up a certain Ray Epps as an FBI mole as being responsible for the violent attack on the Capitol.
All these claim without an iota of evidence. The only evidence Tucker Carlson presented were video clips of Ray Epps urging rioters to go into the Capitol, even though he himself did not enter the Capitol building. Now the same Ray Epps has taken Fox News to court to prove he is an FBI mole and he is responsible for the attack on the Capitol.

Trump on the other hand is being charged for being responsible for January 6 Riots and 3 other illegal efforts to over turn the 2019 elections which he lost. He has the opportunity to defend himself, but instead he and his MAGA worshipers whining like cry babies.

bemeruca:


I am calling your Party analogy bad because it does not apply to this situation.
He asked them to make their voices heard and be peaceful. You cannot peacefully stop a process where there are guards. He never asked them to stop any process.

So provide evidence where he asked them to stop the process.

wirinet:

Lies. You guys can lie even in the face of clear video and audio evidence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh3cbd7niTQ?si=qKZ0bcv2WGSg0j32

bemeruca:


No, he is a living proof that the feds was behind what was happening. They charged grandma tom for trespassing but the FBI is doing everything they can to hide evidence about a man who is believed to be a plant in the crowd. Everyone started talking about him when the FBI had no interest in going after the man who was on video asking people to storm the capitol building.

Ray eps does not deflect from trump, he is only an evidence of actors in the crowd.

TDS does not make you think straight.

If the left wing media and you and your TDS friends are defending the most prominent figure asking people to storm the building, then he is a fed. People who took photos at the steps of the building got charged. As long as the media is saying leave a MAGA alone who was part of the riot tells you all you have to know

wirinet:


Ray Epps did not step into the Capitol building. He only trespassed on the grounds of the Capitol. That's why his own charge was a lesser degree than others that actually broke into the Capitol building itself and started vandalising the legislative chambers. If the FBI should charge all those that trespassed on the Capitol grounds, the figures would be in the thousands, possibly close to 10,000.

bemeruca:


Smh

bemeruca:


Sure... But was part of the riot. A lot of people who were not close to the capitol building was arrested. Keep supporting a maga and claiming you are not supporting him tds

As of October 13, 2021, more than 100 defendants—of the over 630 individuals charged thus far—had entered guilty pleas.[35] By the end of July 2023, 629 defendants had pleaded guilty, and 129 others went to trial. Of those that went to trial, 87 defendants were convicted of all charges, 40 defendants received mixed verdicts (convicted of at least one charge, and acquitted or a hung jury on at least one charge), and two were acquitted of all charges.[36] Hundreds were still awaiting trial or sentencing.[37]

In February 2021, federal officials estimate that about ten thousand rioters entered the Capitol grounds;[38] in December, the Secret Service and FBI have estimated that about 1,200 ultimately entered the building.[39] As of that October, approximately 250 people were still wanted for assaulting police officers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_proceedings_in_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

bemeruca:


Sure... But was part of the riot. A lot of people who were not close to the capitol building was arrested. Keep supporting a maga and claiming you are not supporting him tds

Obrigardo:


You are not making sense anymore.
Got news for you, though as a natural antiblack maga cultist you are this will be a bitter news for you.

wirinet:

About 10,000 people entered (trespassed) the Capitol grounds, of this number only about 1200 that entered the capitol building itself were prosecuted.
See more details here.


Ray Epps case was nothing extra ordinary or special.

basilico:


You get paid to lie I think. Or you are simply brainwashed.

Ray Epps violently ushed a sign towards capitol police.
As the sign passed over people's heads, several people touched it.
FBI charged several with aiming an enormous battering ram at law enforcement.Ray Epps is the guy who pushed it ,others were jailed for his actions.



Trump supporters are serving prison sentences for touching a massive Trump sign that was moved toward police at a barricade. Several video angles show Epps holding the signshing this sign directly at police and then pushing the crowd as the sign moved toward the police line."

Anyone who touched the sign — an enormous battering ram,” according to prosecutors — was denied bond and subject to lengthy prison sentences. With the exception of Epps.

basilico:


More credence that the indictment of Trump is a complete sham. Jack Smith files a motion preventing trump from.introducing additional evidence to what Jack ha gathered. How rich. You are charged, exculpatory evidence is kept from the jury. The court ivit grants him this effort means only that Jack's evidence is the only one to be considered.
If there is evidence that feds were active in the crowd formenting chaos , then he does not want the jury to see that..
As one example Jack' an Colorado quote Trump saying " fight like hell' as evidence he told the crowd to be violent. They skip a major thing he exhorted his supporters to march and protest peacefully. Again fight like hell never means go rough things up.
At the same time Twitter deleted a tweet from Trump telling his supporters to go home once the chaos got out of hand.

As the special counsel’s motion put it, Trump’s defense should be barred from “raising irrelevant political issues or arguments in front of the jury. … In addition to being wrong, these allegations are irrelevant to the jury’s determination of the defendant’s guilt or innocence, would be prejudicial if presented to the jury, and must be excluded.”

What counts as “irrelevant political issues or arguments”? Well, Smith wants the judge to bar Trump from offering 10 different forms of evidence at the trial, virtually all of them foreshadowed by Trump’s messaging to the public.

For example, Smith noted that “the defendant has signaled his intention to blame the events of January 6 on the Capitol Police, National Guard, and the District’s Mayor.” He asked Judge Chutkan to bar Trump from doing so during his trial.
As Smith writes: A bank robber cannot defend himself by blaming the bank’s security guard for failing to stop him … and the defendant cannot argue that law enforcement should have prevented the violence he caused and obstruction he intended.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/12/trump-special-counsel-jack-smith-january-6-trial-motion.html

wirinet:
I won't be surprised if you crazies also accuse the whole US judiciary of being part of the deep state against Trump.

basilico:


I think that's propaganda about gun laws reducing homicide rates.
The reduction in homicides could have been as a result of criminals also dying of COVID-19 and not gun laws.
A pathetic attempt to help democrats by lying media selling a feel good story.
P/S :I also saw a story about drug overdoses t, they fell in 2023. While in reality
"the first time in U.S. history, fatal overdoses peaked above 112,000 deaths, with young people and people of color among the hardest hit."