Maynman:

I thought we trashed this before?

https://biblehub.com/greek/1672.htm

Where and when did we thrash? That I choose to ignore u doesn't mean whatever u paste makes sense
U are a pest and deserves to be ignored.

Anyway, take a good look at what u brought here.
It supports my assertion here that use of greek as medium of communication was widespread in Judea province.

SIRTee15:


See Cognitive dissonance on display.
Is this not u. What shall we believe from your mouth?

Are you that desperate and lack common sense?
You mean the screenshot proves that I said your Jesus Christ was real?
What fact did you show me?

Iron man is dead and gone 😂😂

SIRTee15:

Where and when did we thrash? That I choose to ignore u doesn't mean whatever u paste makes sense
U are a pest and deserves to be ignored.

Anyway, take a good look at what u brought here.
It supports my assertion here that use of greek as medium of communication was widespread in Judea province.

Where is Judea province mentioned there?
They were just giving the definition of the word 😂😂

SIRTee15:


The verse proved some of Jesus disciples could communicate in greek. So the anonymous authorship claim of the gospel is nonsense.

But the anonymous claim still stands because ability of people to communicate in Greek doesn’t mean that the authors are known talkless of them being the disciples in the same stories.

SIRTee15:


The verse proved some of Jesus disciples could communicate in greek. So the anonymous authorship claim of the gospel is nonsense.

You must be kidding.
The gospels are ANONYMOUS, you only need a working brain to see it.

The people that wrote the gospels wasn't just communicating in greek, there were literate and very sound in use of Greek.

Mention a place where the disciples were writing anything down, only in book of john, did the disciple whom Jesus love wrote things down, and he was the only person that wrote anything. This person is Judas.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_reliability_of_the_Gospels#:~:text=Most%20scholars%20agree%20that%20they,than%20the%20testimony%20of%20eyewitnesses.

jaephoenix:

Aha!
You're not denying it. Awesome.
So such event where a horde of people got resurrected and yet it wasn't recorded in history?

Read this article. It highlight scientific evidence of the earthquake described by Mathew on the night Jesus was crucified.


A geological study based on sediments near the Dead Sea indicate that an earthquake occurred around 31 AD ± 5 years, which plausibly coincides with the earthquake reported by Matthew 27 near the time of the crucifixion of Christ

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/An-early-first-century-earthquake-in-the-Dead-Sea-Williams-Schwab/037fc20bee7296e7722f1037f2d2e738aab456c0

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00206814.2011.639996

Thallus on the other hand described both the darkness at 3pm and also the earthquake.

On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Saviour falls on the day before the passover;
cited by sextus Julius africanus

SIRTee15:


Read this article. It highlight scientific evidence of the earthquake described by Mathew on the night Jesus was crucified.


A geological study based on sediments near the Dead Sea indicate that an earthquake occurred around 31 AD ± 5 years, which plausibly coincides with the earthquake reported by Matthew 27 near the time of the crucifixion of Christ

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/An-early-first-century-earthquake-in-the-Dead-Sea-Williams-Schwab/037fc20bee7296e7722f1037f2d2e738aab456c0

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00206814.2011.639996

Thallus on the other hand described both the darkness at 3pm and also the earthquake.

On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Saviour falls on the day before the passover;
cited by sextus Julius africanus

The earthquake could have exposed buried bodies in graves and tombs. Some could have seen their dead brought back to life by way of miracle which u don't believe in anyway.

😂😂
When Mary went to check the tomb, there was another earthquake, don't forget to add that 😂😂

According to Mathew, 3 extraordinary events occured the night Jesus was crucified.
Darkness at noon without eclipse, earthquake and dead bodies coming to life.

We already have extra biblical evidence- both scientific and historical for 2.
So then should we believe the 3rd account or simply say it was garnished.

Let's remember earthquake disturbs earth's movement. The quake could have exposed
buried bodies in graves and tombs. Some people could have seen their dead brought back to life by way of miracle which u don't believe in anyway.
Or the relatives thought they were alive and reported it as such. Mathew never said the bodies spoke or communicated to anybody. Instead the report said the bodies of saints were seen to be alive.
It's possible the bodies of these saints never decomposed and looked very much like a living
person which the relatives reported.

Why did it not make headline news in ancient Rome?
Same way the resurrection of Lazarus, the widow's son in Capernaum and jarius daughter didn't make headline news in ancient Rome.

The darkness at noon and earthquake didn't make headlines either and if thallus had not reported it, scholars would have claimed it was all a myth/forgery.

SIRTee15:
According to Mathew, 3 extraordinary events occured the night Jesus was crucified.
Darkness at noon without eclipse, earthquake and dead bodies coming to life.

We already have extra biblical evidence- both scientific and historical for 2.
So then should we believe the 3rd account or simply say it was garnished.

Let's remember earthquake disturbs earth's movement. The quake could have exposed
buried bodies in graves and tombs. Some people could have seen their dead brought back to life by way of miracle which u don't believe in anyway.
Or the relatives thought they were alive and reported it as such. Mathew never said the bodies spoke or communicated to anybody. Instead the report said the bodies of saints were seen to be alive.
It's possible the bodies of these saints never decomposed and looked very much like a living
person which the relatives reported.

Why did it not make headline news in ancient Rome?
Same way the resurrection of Lazarus, the widow's son in Capernaum and jarius daughter didn't make headline news in ancient Rome.

The darkness at noon and earthquake didn't make headlines either and if thallus had not reported it, scholars would have claimed it was all a myth/forgery.

Is the unknown author of Matthew not copying from Mark, and the resurrection story is just a later addition? 😂😂

Let's talk about the authorship of Luke which is from SECOND CENTURY, same with book of Act.
Is your present Luke from Marcion?
Why did Marcion call Jesus, isu chrestos which is also the name found in the oldest church.


Boy, you are worshipping a lie.

SIRTee15:


Read this article. It highlight scientific evidence of the earthquake described by Mathew on the night Jesus was crucified.


A geological study based on sediments near the Dead Sea indicate that an earthquake occurred around 31 AD ± 5 years, which plausibly coincides with the earthquake reported by Matthew 27 near the time of the crucifixion of Christ

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/An-early-first-century-earthquake-in-the-Dead-Sea-Williams-Schwab/037fc20bee7296e7722f1037f2d2e738aab456c0

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00206814.2011.639996

Thallus on the other hand described both the darkness at 3pm and also the earthquake.

On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Saviour falls on the day before the passover;
cited by sextus Julius africanus

1. Obviously you didn't read any of those trash 'evidence' you posted. If you did you would have seen this…

This article examines a report in the 27th chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament that an earthquake was felt in Jerusalem on the day of the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth. We have tabulated a varved chronology from a core from Ein Gedi on the western shore of the Dead Sea between deformed sediments due to a widespread earthquake in 31 BC and deformed sediments due to an early first-century earthquake. The early first-century seismic event has been tentatively assigned a date of 31 AD with an accuracy of ±5 years. Plausible candidates include the earthquake reported in the Gospel of Matthew, an earthquake that occurred sometime before or after the crucifixion and was in effect ‘borrowed’ by the author of the Gospel of Matthew, and a local earthquake between 26 and 36 AD that was sufficiently energetic to deform the sediments at Ein Gedi but not energetic enough to produce a still extant and extra-biblical historical record. If the last possibility is true, this would mean that the report of an earthquake in the Gospel of Matthew is a type of allegory
A. The excerpt said it happened in 31 AD and also 31BC. So which one we go take? Different dates depict confusion and uncertainty.
B. Only Matthew reported an earthquake. Mark, Luke and John didn't. So an earthquake that big was ignored by 3 people and reported by one? Dey play! Lol 😆
C. Your 'evidence' wasn't sure if the earthquake happened before or after the crucifixion. Lol 😆
D. Finally the bolded part shows your 'evidence' is just bullshit. Its suggesting the earthquake was an allegory(much like what many modern day christians attribute the Bible)
2. In your usual dishonest way, you ignored the the main topic of discussion. We were discussing the 'mass resurrection' that happened on the death of Jesus and not any earthquake
Nice try

SIRTee15:

Mathew never said the bodies spoke or communicated to anybody. Instead the report said the bodies of saints were seen to be alive.

How low can you go for your God?
Just lying shamelessly.

Matthew 27:53
They came out of the tombs after Jesus' resurrection and WENT INTO THE HOLY CITY AND APPEARED TO MANY PEOPLE.


Jesus death was his resurrection, go and read apocalypse of peter.

jaephoenix:

1. Obviously you didn't read any of those trash 'evidence' you posted. If you did you would have seen this…

This article examines a report in the 27th chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament that an earthquake was felt in Jerusalem on the day of the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth. We have tabulated a varved chronology from a core from Ein Gedi on the western shore of the Dead Sea between deformed sediments due to a widespread earthquake in 31 BC and deformed sediments due to an early first-century earthquake. The early first-century seismic event has been tentatively assigned a date of 31 AD with an accuracy of ±5 years. Plausible candidates include the earthquake reported in the Gospel of Matthew, an earthquake that occurred sometime before or after the crucifixion and was in effect ‘borrowed’ by the author of the Gospel of Matthew, and a local earthquake between 26 and 36 AD that was sufficiently energetic to deform the sediments at Ein Gedi but not energetic enough to produce a still extant and extra-biblical historical record. If the last possibility is true, this would mean that the report of an earthquake in the Gospel of Matthew is a type of allegory
A. The excerpt said it happened in 31 AD and also 31BC. So which one we go take? Different dates depict confusion and uncertainty.
B. Only Matthew reported an earthquake. Mark, Luke and John didn't. So an earthquake that big was ignored by 3 people and reported by one? Dey play! Lol 😆
C. Your 'evidence' wasn't sure if the earthquake happened before or after the crucifixion. Lol 😆
D. Finally the bolded part shows your 'evidence' is just bullshit. Its suggesting the earthquake was an allegory(much like what many modern day christians attribute the Bible)
2. In your usual dishonest way, you ignored the the main topic of discussion. We were discussing the 'mass resurrection' that happened on the death of Jesus and not any earthquake
Nice try

The scientific evidence placed the earthquake at 31 +/- 5 AD.
You asking if the earthquake was b4 or after cruxifixion just expose your ignorance of archeological dating.
The magnitude and the after effect of the
earthquake is a matter subjective opinion. They
were not there to determine the damage of the
local earthquake.
But what we know is there was definitely an earthquake around the period of Christ cruxifixion.
Your highlighted only suggested the local earthquake wasn't serious enough to leave extant evidence or extra biblical record. Then they concluded Mathew inserted the story into the gospel.
However, Thallus who lived in the 30s AD and witnessed the event confirmed the earthquake happened on the eve of the Passover.

I already gave plausible explanation to the 3rd
event of that night - resurrection of saints.

SIRTee15:



Thallus who lived in the 30s AD and witnessed the event confirmed the earthquake happened on the eve of the Passover.

LIES, EVERYTHING we know of thallus comes from Christian apologists.
We don't even know when thallus lived or if he even wrote anything.
That's why NO historian consider that statement as factual.

Can't you see the fraud you are basing your life on?

SIRTee15:


I already gave plausible explanation to the 3rd
event of that night - resurrection of saints.

By attempting to give a “plausible explanation”, are you admitting that dead bodies coming to life is an extraordinary yarn that needs to be rationalized?

SIRTee15:


The verse proved some of Jesus disciples could communicate in greek. So the anonymous authorship claim of the gospel is nonsense.

This is a non sequitor, I can speak a language doesn't make me the author of a book in that language. I don't even need to know the language to be the author of a book in that language since anything I write in one language can be translated to another.

kimco:


You must have evidence beyond reasonable doubt. Sight is one way but even our senses can be deceptive. So you need to scrutinize it. Example if I see Chris Angel walking on water, my skeptical brain would like to know how he did it. How did he defy the laws of physics? I cannot just believe it just because I saw it. You understand me?

You do not believe Chris because you know he is like you man. But from the beginning Jesus was not man like you. For like you and Chris were born by the sex and sperm of man Jesus was not.

Even before the arrival of Jesus, we were forewarned that He would come avisiting. Who announce say you or i or chris or Obi dey come?

So the proof is already there if anyone indeed wanted to have them.

Maynman:


LIES, EVERYTHING we know of thallus comes from Christian apologists.
We don't even know when thallus lived or if he even wrote anything.
That's why NO historian consider that statement as factual.

Can't you see the fraud you are basing your life on?

I will starve of u that attention u crave for this year.
U will chase me like a deer thirst after water but
u will be ignored.
Get a life out of nairaland.

SIRTee15:


I will starve of u that attention u crave for this year.
U will chase me like a deer thirst after water but
u will be ignored.
Get a life out of nairaland.

You are a nobody, so I don't understand why you think your attention is of any importance.
I'm not here for you that but to bust your lies for those reading now and in the future.

Stop basing you miserable life on only what you read in Jewish books.

Maynman:

You are a nobody, so I won't understand why you think you attention is of any importance.
I'm not here for you that but to bust your lies for those reading now and in the future.

Stop basing you miserable life on only what you read in Jewish books.

I'm not important but u begging me to discuss Paul with u
U not chasing me, but u begging me to discuss Luke with u.
U even imagined we concluded on a matter when I practically ignored u. U can imagine that hallucination.
It's like u desire and watch out for my posts on nairaland religious section because that's the only thing that adds meaning and joy to your life.
It's just too obvious by the speed u respond to
them.
You desperately crave for my attention, but in 2024 u getting none.
Get a life.

It's ok to reminiscent on our previous discussions if u miss talking to me in 2024. That's allowed.

SIRTee15:


I'm not important but u begging me to discuss Paul with u
U not chasing me, but u begging me to discuss Luke with u.
U even imagined we concluded on a matter when I practically ignored u. U can imagine that hallucination.
It's like u desire and watch out for my posts on nairaland religious section because that's the only thing that adds meaning and joy to your life.
It's just too obvious by the speed u respond to
them.
You desperately crave for my attention, but in 2024 u getting none.
Get a life.

It's ok to reminiscent on our previous discussions if u miss talking to me in 2024. That's allowed.

All this are nonsense.
Let's discuss Paul, if Dem born your papa well, im not begging, i want to expose your IGNORANCE.
How did Paul become an apostle?

Maynman:

All this are nonsense.
Let's discuss Paul, if Dem born your papa well, im not begging, i want to expose your IGNORANCE.
How did Paul become an apostle?

What ignorance do you wish to expose about Paul? Paul didn't write about himself, someone else did.

Maynman:

All this are nonsense.
Let's discuss Paul, if Dem born your papa well, im not begging, i want to expose your IGNORANCE.
How did Paul become an apostle?

He be like say u no want peace but trouble this new year.
Mention your father's name again in a shameless manner and see if the mods will not eventually shut this thread down.
Sebi u want to talk to me, I will give it to u....10 straight pages, na u go tire.
U this degenerate.

SIRTee15:


Ok let's test this claim of 'Jesus is God's is a greek-roman philosophy.

Do Jews in the 2nd temple period believe the word of God called logos is an existence on its own.
Have u heard of philo? What did he say about logos.
Do u know the book called Didache? It's a catechist used by jewish- Christians in the first century AD. What does it say about trinity?

Did any of the apostolic fathers in the first century AD confirmed Jesus is God.

Point me to Hebrew scriptures that clearly demonstrated the Trinity. Please stop directing me to your Greeko-roman aka European Fathers..

ItShallPass:


What ignorance do you wish to expose about Paul? Paul didn't write about himself, someone else did.

Schoary consensus is that Paul did write, or at least, narrated most of the letters bar the book of Hebrews. Other letters/Epistles had been updated by anonymous folks too though. So, no one knows for sure.

SIRTee15:


The verse proved some of Jesus disciples could communicate in greek. So the anonymous authorship claim of the gospel is nonsense.

What's nonsense is you claiming that your claims of authorship of the gospels are credible. How did you arrive at such conclusions?

SIRTee15:

Where and when did we thrash? That I choose to ignore u doesn't mean whatever u paste makes sense
U are a pest and deserves to be ignored.

Anyway, take a good look at what u brought here.
It supports my assertion here that use of greek as medium of communication was widespread in Judea province.

Of course, because most part of the new testament were written at least 60 -150 years post Jesus' death bro. And by individuals who were most likely heavenly influenced by Greek/Roman.

SIRTee15:
According to Mathew, 3 extraordinary events occured the night Jesus was crucified.
Darkness at noon without eclipse, earthquake and dead bodies coming to life.

We already have extra biblical evidence- both scientific and historical for 2.
So then should we believe the 3rd account or simply say it was garnished.

Let's remember earthquake disturbs earth's movement. The quake could have exposed
buried bodies in graves and tombs. Some people could have seen their dead brought back to life by way of miracle which u don't believe in anyway.
Or the relatives thought they were alive and reported it as such. Mathew never said the bodies spoke or communicated to anybody. Instead the report said the bodies of saints were seen to be alive.
It's possible the bodies of these saints never decomposed and looked very much like a living
person which the relatives reported.

Why did it not make headline news in ancient Rome?
Same way the resurrection of Lazarus, the widow's son in Capernaum and jarius daughter didn't make headline news in ancient Rome.

The darkness at noon and earthquake didn't make headlines either and if thallus had not reported it, scholars would have claimed it was all a myth/forgery.

What da actual Fvck, bro?

kkins25:


Point me to Hebrew scriptures that clearly demonstrated the Trinity. Please stop directing me to your Greeko-roman aka European Fathers..

Schoary consensus is that Paul did write, or at least, narrated most of the letters bar the book of Hebrews. Other letters/Epistles had been updated by anonymous folks too though. So, no one knows for sure.

In most of the writings, Paul alludes to himself in greetings at the beginning and end of the epistles. And when you look at the language and styles of the letters, they all rhyme. I do not even need to see a name on a book before I'll know that Paul wrote it because I'm familiar with hhs writings because of the rhyme.

However, the guy wasn't actually talking about Paul's writings. He was questioning who made Paul an apostle.

SIRTee15:


He be like say u no want peace but trouble this new year.
Mention your father's name again in a shameless manner and see if the mods will not eventually shut this thread down.
Sebi u want to talk to me, I will give it to u....10 straight pages, na u go tire.
U this degenerate.

You have done the same and mentioned my parents, wetin con dey do you?
I said if Dem born your papa well...
Moro.n

ItShallPass:


What ignorance do you wish to expose about Paul? Paul didn't write about himself, someone else did.

Who is the someone?

Maynman:

You have done the same and mentioned my parents, wetin con dey do you?
I said if Dem born your papa well...

You this slowpoke.

Of course u dont mind seeing your father in the mud potopoto. All because u want to discuss Paul and Luke.
I'm sure if I promise to discuss Paul and Luke with u if we first rain insults on top your parents, u will instantly jump 🦘 at the offer.
Ode, attention thirst dog.

Get out of here, shameless son. Ready to throw his parents under the bus just to gist about Paul and Luke...as if he will choke if he doesn't.
See someone else has called your attention to discuss Paul
Go and satisfy your cravings and be bloated.
Bye.

SIRTee15:


Of course u dont mind seeing your father in the mud potopoto. All because u want to discuss Paul and Luke.
I'm sure if I promise u of discussing Paul and Luke if we rain insults on top your parents, u will instantly jump 🦘 at it.
Ode, attention thirst dog.

Get out of here, shameless son. Ready to throw his parents under the bus just to gist about Paul and Luke...as if he will choke if he doesn't.
See someone else has called your attention to discuss Paul
Go and satisfy your cravings and be bloated.
Bye.

Shameless Hypocrite, you are dishing what you can't take, you are now crying now.

If you had home training, I mean if your parents had home training to train you, you won't throw a stone and shout back when they stone it back at you and it blinds you 😂

Like I said you are a nobody, I'm here to expose your ignorance and I'm enjoying every moment.

if Dem born your papa well......

Maynman:

Who is the someone?

The Book called the Acts of Apostles which majorly featured Paul was not written by him.