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Kukutenla:
You are the one who is not ok. In all cultures of normal human beings, an adopted son is also a son with all the rights and priviledges including taking the father's name.
So to say only adopted as if he is less of a son shows how crooked you Muslims are. Why will a man take his son's wife adopted or not?
I ask you again, if it were a Pastor, will you be making these excuses for him?

The Qur’anic evidence lies in the few verses of Sūrat al-Aḥzāb that directly address the Prophet’s ﷺ marriage with Zaynab (rA):
[37] And [remember] when you were saying to the one who was favored by Allah and favored by you, “Hold fast to your wife and fear Allah.” And you were concealing in your heart what Allah was going to reveal and you were fearing people, while Allah is more entitled to be feared by you. So when Zayd concluded his union with her, We married you to her, so that there may not be any hindrance for the Believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons when they have divorced them. And Allah’s mandate had to be carried out.

[38] There is no harm for the Prophet in doing what Allah has obligated for him; [that has been] the way of Allah with those who have preceded him. And Allah’s command is an absolutely settled decree.
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[39] [That is the way] of those who convey the messages of Allah and fear him, fearing none other than Allah. And Allah is sufficient to take account.

[40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men; rather he is a Messenger of Allah and the Last of the Prophets. And Allah has full knowledge of all things.

ahmedio2017:
The Qur’anic evidence lies in the few verses of Sūrat al-Aḥzāb that directly address the Prophet’s ﷺ marriage with Zaynab (rA):
[37] And [remember] when you were saying to the one who was favored by Allah and favored by you, “Hold fast to your wife and fear Allah.” And you were concealing in your heart what Allah was going to reveal and you were fearing people, while Allah is more entitled to be feared by you. So when Zayd concluded his union with her, We married you to her, so that there may not be any hindrance for the Believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons when they have divorced them. And Allah’s mandate had to be carried out.

[38] There is no harm for the Prophet in doing what Allah has obligated for him; [that has been] the way of Allah with those who have preceded him. And Allah’s command is an absolutely settled decree.
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[39] [That is the way] of those who convey the messages of Allah and fear him, fearing none other than Allah. And Allah is sufficient to take account.

[40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men; rather he is a Messenger of Allah and the Last of the Prophets. And Allah has full knowledge of all things.

How does this prove your lie that she was widowed?

Kukutenla:
How does this prove your lie that she was widowed?

Dissolved

Kukutenla:
Which verse talks about Zaynab being a widow. Do you have problem with english? The verse clearly shows that the marriage was dissolved and afterwards Zayd was disowned so Muhammad could marry his divorced wife. How do you disown someone who is dead? Are you sure you're normal?

Lolzzzzzz the marriage is sha dissolved

ahmedio2017:
Dissolved

You claimed she was widowed. Why did you lie? Is it second nature to you as a Muslim to lie on behalf of Muhammad?

ahmedio2017:
Lolzzzzzz the marriage is sha dissolved

So that's enough reason to marry a woman your son already married?

Leviticus 18 vs 15

“‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.

Your prophet dishonoured himself according to Moses' laws

[quote author=Kukutenla post=128422473]You claimed she was widowed. Why did you lie? Is it second nature to you as a Muslim to lie on behalf of Muhammad?[/




Widow

informal in combination A woman whose
husband is often away pursuing a sport, etc.
Check your dictionary.

Kukutenla:
So that's enough reason to marry a woman your son already married?

Leviticus 18 vs 15
Your prophet dishonoured himself according to Moses' laws

Did he talks about adopted son?
Don't you know the difference between a biological son and an adopted son ?

You have a problem o.

[quote author=ahmedio2017 post=128422570][/quote]

Taqiyya!! Where is the evidence she was widowed because her husband is always away and what sport zayd pursuing?

I never knew English is the language in use in the Quran and not Arabic. I thought you said Quran was written in Arabic so no one will distort it. How come you are using English dictionary to explain Quran all of a sudden. Chai!! Muslims and lying. Taqiyya has fried your brain

Kukutenla:


Taqiyya!! Where is the evidence she was widowed because her husband is always away and what sport zayd pursuing?

I never knew English is the language in use in the Quran and not Arabic. I thought you said Quran was written in Arabic so no one will distort it. How come you are using English dictionary to explain Quran all of a sudden. Chai!! Muslims and lying. Taqiyya has fried your brain

A biological or "real" son is born to his parents and shares their genetic material, while an adopted son is legally and socially recognized as a member of a family through the process of adoption. an adopted son does not share dna.

Moses was talking about biological son ok

Kukutenla:
■ I don't get your point for a. above. Do you by any chance imply that the Ten commandments are "doctrines and traditions of men"?
■ The national constitution as you term it was given by God not man. So it is simple logic that observing it means practicing a religion except you mean religion does not imply obeying the commandments of a Supreme being
■ Jesus asked the Rich young man to follow the commandments. Do you by any chance mean Jesus had a separate rule for the man and a separate rule for his followers?
■ Do you mean there are double standards to making God's kingdom since that was the intent of the question the rich young man asked Jesus?
■ I don't know what you mean by "my religion" but you have not been able to make any distinctions between "my religion" and the religion of Jesus.

First and foremost, God gave to His Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan about 613 statutes and commandments, not just 10. Second, what God gave to the country was a Constitutional Law, and not a religion. This much is made abundantly clear in Scripture.

2. I did not term it a "Rational" constitution rather, God constituted the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan and the Law of Moses was the Constitutional agreement He made when them. Your logic that claims obeying the Law of the land is of religion is severely twisted. Does being a Law abiding citizen of Nigeria ----one who obeys the Law as set in the National Constitution equally make you an adherent of a Nigerian religion or a religion that is Nigeria?

3..

The rich young man, much like Jesus Christ were both Israelites and were subject to the Law of the Land in which they lived. Since the rich young man was not His follower, ofcourse the rich young man had to be urged to follow/abide by the Law which ruled in the land to which he belonged.

4. God's Kingdom? The rich young man asked Jesus Christ how he could obtain eternal life, not God’s Kingdom - Matthew 19 vs 16 - 19. . What he asked for was Eternal Life was those of old could obtain by way of Righteousness in the Law of Moses - Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 31 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20. It wasn't only until after the rich young man claimed he had obeyed all of the Law. The rich young man's claim that he had obeyed it all was ofcourse not true given he still had all his riches to himself.

4. There is no "religion of Jesus Christ" as Jesus Christ instead also gave His followers an agreement, a Constitutional Law for living in the Kingdom of God, God's special Nation of priests which He constituted of the Lost sheep of Israel -- Exodus 19 vs 6. Jesus Christ never gave His followers religion. In fact He warned them against the doctrines and traditions of men aka religion. So you should probably need to answer why you think that God's agreements/Constitutional Laws amount to religion.

ahmedio2017:
Did he talks about adopted son?
Don't you know the difference between a biological son and an adopted son ?

You have a problem o.

There is no distinction between an adopted son and a biological son as far as Moses was concerned. It was Muhammad out of lust for his son's wife that started the shenanigan of making such silly distinction. As a matter of fact, any child adopted is treated as one's own child such as we had with Mordecai and Esther

ahmedio2017:
A biological or "real" son is born to his parents and shares their genetic material, while an adopted son is legally and socially recognized as a member of a family through the process of adoption. an adopted son does not share dna.

Moses was talking about biological son ok

Moses never made such distinction. As far as Jews were concerned. Son na son. No difference. Muhammad's lust made him start fishing for revelations so he could corner his son's wife. Abomination!!

Kukutenla:


Taqiyya!! Where is the evidence she was widowed because her husband is always away and what sport zayd pursuing?

I never knew English is the language in use in the Quran and not Arabic. I thought you said Quran was written in Arabic so no one will distort it. How come you are using English dictionary to explain Quran all of a sudden. Chai!! Muslims and lying. Taqiyya has fried your brain

I won't tell lies I'm not like you guys

Who is a widow according to the Bible?
The Greek word for “widow” in the Bible is χήρα (pronounced like khay-rah). It means deprived, cut off, “stripped bare,” or abandoned. In the Bible, a widow is a woman “bereft of the full provision or flourishing that could be provided by a husband or a family,” according to K. A.

You see your life? Zayd wife is abandoned, divorced or which terms do you want me to use again hummm

Kobojunkie:
First and foremost, God gave to His Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan about 613 statutes and commandments, not just 10. Second, what God gave to the country was a Constitutional Law, and not a religion. This much is made abundantly clear in Scripture.

2. I did not term it a "Rational" constitution rather, God constituted the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan and the Law of Moses was the Constitutional agreement He made when them. Your logic that claims obeying the Law of the land is of religion is severely twisted. Does being a Law abiding citizen of Nigeria ----one who obeys the Law as set in the National Constitution equally make you an adherent of a Nigerian religion or a religion that is Nigeria?

3..

The rich young man, much like Jesus Christ were both Israelites and were subject to the Law of the Land in which they lived. Since the rich young man was not His follower, ofcourse the rich young man had to be urged to follow/abide by the Law which ruled in the land to which he belonged.

4. God's Kingdom? The rich young man asked Jesus Christ how he could obtain eternal life, not God’s Kingdom - Matthew 19 vs 16 - 19. . What he asked for was Eternal Life was those of old could obtain by way of Righteousness in the Law of Moses - Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 31 & Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20. It wasn't only until after the rich young man claimed he had obeyed all of the Law. The rich young man's claim that he had obeyed it all was ofcourse not true given he still had all his riches to himself.

4. There is no "religion of Jesus Christ" as Jesus Christ instead also gave His followers an agreement, a Constitutional Law for living in the Kingdom of God, God's special Nation of priests which He constituted of the Lost sheep of Israel -- Exodus 19 vs 6. Jesus Christ never gave His followers religion. In fact He warned them against the doctrines and traditions of men aka religion. So you should probably need to answer why you think that God's agreements/Constitutional Laws amount to religion.

Stop rambling. What is religion? Simply a system of beliefs and laws about a Supreme Being.
Nigerian laws are not given by God so they cannot constitute a religion. Mosaic laws are given by God so they constitute a religion. That you are arguing this shows how shallow you are.
There is a religion of Jesus Christ because he declared himself "The way, truth and life". By that, he showed a need to accept and practice his commandments as a way of being acceptable to God.
Doctrines and commandments of men does not necessarily constitute religion. The constitution of Nigeria is a doctrine and commandment of men but it is not a religion is it?

Kukutenla:
There is no distinction between an adopted son and a biological son as far as Moses was concerned. It was Muhammad out of lust for his son's wife that started the shenanigan of making such silly distinction. As a matter of fact, any child adopted is treated as one's own child such as we had with Mordecai and Esther

Your biological son is not the same as adopted son, it is visible the blind and audible to the deaf...

ahmedio2017:
I won't tell lies I'm not like you guys

Who is a widow according to the Bible?
The Greek word for “widow” in the Bible is χήρα (pronounced like khay-rah). It means deprived, cut off, “stripped bare,” or abandoned. In the Bible, a widow is a woman “bereft of the full provision or flourishing that could be provided by a husband or a family,” according to K. A.

You see your life? Zayd wife is abandoned, divorced or which terms do you want me to use again hummm

More lies typical of a Muslim. Was the Old Testament written with Greek? Was your quran written in Greek? Why are you now using Greek to explain Arabic in the quran.
I understand you. Such a despicable act must irk even you and you must find a way to justify your prophet

ahmedio2017:
Your biological son is not the same as adopted son, it is visible the blind and audible to the deaf...

It is visible to those who want to snatch their son's wife. Shame!!

Kukutenla:
■ Stop rambling. What is religion? Simply a system of beliefs and laws about a Supreme Being. ...

Which "God" gave to you the system of beliefs and laws you currently pretend you live by? You lot pretend it is the God of Israel but He only gave His Law to the children of Israel. He equally made clear that His Law is everlasting. I.e. unchanging. So tell us, how did you come about your religion?

Jesus Christ equally gave His Law only to the Lost sheep of Israel just as His father commanded Him, making clear His Word was also everlasting, again, UNCHANGING. So where does your claim to follow Him come from ?

Kukutenla:
■ There is a religion of Jesus Christ because he declared himself "The way, truth and life". By that, he showed a need to accept and practice his commandments as a way of being acceptable to God.
■ Doctrines and commandments of men does not necessarily constitute religion. The constitution of Nigeria is a doctrine and commandment of men but it is not a religion is it?

How does the statement made by Jesus Christ in John 14 vs 6 amount to religion?

A need to accept His Commandments yet only moments ago you proclaimed that what you obeyed instead were the 10 commandments written in the first part of Exodus 20, commandments handed down to the Israelites by Moses and not Jesus Christ?

3. Jesus Christ considered the doctrines and traditions of men spewed using the name of God as nothing but lies. Are you saying Jesus Christ got it wrong then?

Kobojunkie:
How does the statement made by Jesus Christ in John 14 vs 6 amount to religion?

A need to accept His Commandments yet only moments ago you proclaimed that what you obeyed instead were the 10 commandments written in the first part of Exodus 20, commandments handed down to the Israelites by Moses and not Jesus Christ?

3. Jesus Christ considered the doctrines and traditions of men spewed using the name of God as nothing but lies. Are you saying Jesus Christ got it wrong then?

I still don't get the reason for your haggling. It was Jesus who asked the rich young man to follow the commandments of Moses. So what is your grouse exactly?
You seem confused at what religion means. You think it means something bad or that's what you want it to mean. Well, no. Religion is simply a way of worshipping a Supreme being. There are religion that worship cows, water or even a fellow man as their supreme deity. It does not make their practice less of a religion.
The doctrine and commandments of men does not mean religion neither does it mean non-religion. It is simpy what it is. Doctine and commandment of men. Now does Jesus view the laws of Moses as one of such?

Kukutenla:
■ I still don't get the reason for your haggling. It was Jesus who asked the rich young man to follow the commandments of Moses. So what is your grouse exactly? You seem confused at what religion means. You think it means something bad or that's what you want it to mean. Well, no. Religion is simply a way of worshipping a Supreme being. There are religion that worship cows, water or even a fellow man as their supreme deity. It does not make their practice less of a religion. The doctrine and commandments of men does not mean religion neither does it mean non-religion. It is simpy what it is. Doctine and commandment of men. Now does Jesus view the laws of Moses as one of such?

Again, 1. How does the statement made by Jesus Christ in John 14 vs 6 amount to religion? In Jesus Christ's own words, He gave to men a Contract/agreement, God's Truth and Law in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 26 vs 26 - 30. He condemned all other ideas as the doctrines and traditions of men aka Religion — lies - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13. Did Jesus Christ get it wrong?

2. A need to accept His Commandments yet only moments ago you proclaimed that what you obeyed instead were the 10 commandments written in the first part of Exodus 20, commandments handed down to the Israelites by Moses and not Jesus Christ?

3. Jesus Christ considered the doctrines and traditions of men spewed using the name of God as nothing but lies. Are you saying Jesus Christ got it wrong then?

Kobojunkie:
Which "God" gave to you the system of beliefs and laws you currently pretend you live by? You lot pretend it is the God of Israel but He only gave His Law to the children of Israel. He equally made clear that His Law is everlasting. I.e. unchanging. So tell us, how did you come about your religion?

Jesus Christ equally gave His Law only to the Lost sheep of Israel just as His father commanded Him, making clear His Word was also everlasting, again, UNCHANGING. So where does your claim to follow Him come from ?

Well, the same God declared Himself God of all flesh in Jeremiah 32 vs 27.
Jesus Christ also said he came to save the world and not only Israel. John 3vs 16-17 and even extended invitation to all in Matt 11vs28
It makes no sense to cherrypick God's word. God is the God of Israel becasue he chose Israel as the people to bear his covenant for all the earth not becsue he wants to be exclusively for Israel alone.

Kobojunkie:
Again, 1. How does the statement made by Jesus Christ in John 14 vs 6 amount to religion? In Jesus Christ's own words, He gave to men a Contract/agreement, God's Truth and Law in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 26 vs 26 - 30. He condemned all other ideas as the doctrines and traditions of men aka Religion — lies - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13. Did Jesus Christ get it wrong?

2. A need to accept His Commandments yet only moments ago you proclaimed that what you obeyed instead were the 10 commandments written in the first part of Exodus 20, commandments handed down to the Israelites by Moses and not Jesus Christ?

3. Jesus Christ considered the doctrines and traditions of men spewed using the name of God as nothing but lies. Are you saying Jesus Christ got it wrong then?

John 14vs6 shows the way to reach God through his Son. Is that not what religion is all about or is there another purpose for religion beyond that? Kindly educate me.
Again, it is you who interprets doctrines and tradition of men as religion. Jesus was referring to the interpretation of the Pharisees who are a sect. He called it the leaven of the Pharisees in Matt 16 which is the next chapter after 15 which you referred to. So Jesus contextualized Matthew 15 which you failed to realise. He was not referring to Moses' laws but the practice of Pharisees and Saducees who are a sect or denomination if you will. Note that he actually quoted Moses law in his response to them in chapter 15.

Your 3 is already answered above. Learn to read the Bible in-depth instead of just cherrypicking

Kukutenla:
■ Well, the same God declared Himself God of all flesh in Jeremiah 32 vs 27.
■ Jesus Christ also said he came to save the world and not only Israel. John 3vs 16-17 and even extended invitation to all in Matt 11vs28
■ It makes no sense to cherrypick God's word. God is the God of Israel becasue he chose Israel as the people to bear his covenant for all the earth not becsue he wants to be exclusively for Israel alone.

He created all things but gave His Law specifically to the Children of Israel whom He chose as His only inheritance in the land of men. So exactly when did this fact of His Law change? Before or after He declared His Law was Everlasting i.e. UNCHANGING?

2. Jesus Christ never said what you claim particularly since in the context of the same John 3, He made abundantly clear that He came to offer salvation from the condemnation of sin to the same whom Moses once raised the Bronze snake to in the wilderness - John 3 vs 14 - 17. It was to the Israelites — not even the foreigners among them on that trip — that Moses raised the snake for in the wilderness - Numbers 21. What Jesus Christ equally said in Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 was also to the Israelites, the ones who bore God's heavy burden and yoke of condemnation from His Old Law of Moses all as a result of the condemnation of sin aka the curse of the Old Law — Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 38.

3. God Himself did this which you refer to as "Cherrypicking". So, please explain to us exactly when God CHANGED His mind. When did Jesus Christ change His Mind regarding doing only the will of His Father alone?

Kobojunkie:
He created all things but gave His Law specifically to the Children of Israel whom He chose as His only inheritance in the land of men. So exactly when did this fact of His Law change? Before or after He declared His Law was Everlasting i.e. UNCHANGING?

2. Jesus Christ never said what you claim particularly since in the context of the same John 3, He made abundantly clear that He came to offer salvation from the condemnation of sin to the same whom Moses once raised the Bronze snake to in the wilderness - John 3 vs 14 - 17. It was to the Israelites — not even the foreigners among them on that trip — that Moses raised the snake for in the wilderness - Numbers 21. What Jesus Christ equally said in Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 was also to the Israelites, the ones who bore God's heavy burden and yoke of condemnation from His Old Law of Moses all as a result of the condemnation of sin aka the curse of the Old Law — Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 38.

3. God Himself did this which you refer to as "Cherrypicking". So, please explain to us exactly when God CHANGED His mind. When did Jesus Christ change His Mind regarding doing only the will of His Father alone?

Your claim is like saying only lawyers who are versed in the laws of Nigeria qualify as citizens of Nigeria. Every citizen who accepts the laws of Nigeria has same rights and privileges as an erudite SAN who dedicates himself to receiving and studying the laws.

Even in the OT, there are instances of people who were not Israelites but who intervened among Israelites. One was Moses' father-in-law, a priest of Midian who actually instituted what is known as judges and Elders in Israel. Again, your claim is that God has already chosen Israel for himself and others have no business with God. How does that make sense in the light of John3vs16?

Can you show where Jesus said in John 3 that he only came to offer salvation to Israelites? You are twisting the Bible to your selfish ideas. John 3 talked of being born of water and spirit. Is that exclusively preserved for Israelites as well? Be careful. You sound more like a Pharisee yourself. Jesus said Come unto me ALL not Israelites. Go ye into the world and not go ye into Israel.

You are only here to spread your confusion. Go and read Galatians to get a better idea and free yourself from this confusion

Kukutenla:

More lies typical of a Muslim. Was the Old Testament written with Greek? Was your quran written in Greek? Why are you now using Greek to explain Arabic in the quran.
I understand you. Such a despicable act must irk even you and you must find a way to justify your prophet

You are just dueling on this same point since morning, I told you your God make mistakes, and even tell lies in the bible you couldn't defend that shame on you.

Kukutenla:
■ John 14vs6 shows the way to reach God through his Son. Is that not what religion is all about or is there another purpose for religion beyond that? Kindly educate me.
■ Again, it is you who interprets doctrines and tradition of men as religion. Jesus was referring to the interpretation of the Pharisees who are a sect. He called it the leaven of the Pharisees in Matt 16 which is the next chapter after 15 which you referred to. So Jesus contextualized Matthew 15 which you failed to realise. He was not referring to Moses' laws but the practice of Pharisees and Saducees who are a sect or denomination if you will. Note that he actually quoted Moses law in his response to them in chapter 15.
■ Your 3 is already answered above. Learn to read the Bible in-depth instead of just cherrypicking

1. What definition of religion are you quoting here?

2. Please work harder at comprehending what is written before you respond. God's Law of Moses is God's Constitutional Law. It is neither of religion nor is there anything wrong with it as it was given to Israel by God.

The Pharisees were religious leaders of the time. They created religion by way of their special interpretations — lies —formed from their opinions of God's Old Law of Moses. They were against God in that they twisted the Constitutional Law of the land to assert themselves as go-betweens between God and His people. They enriched themselves and conquered the minds of God's people using the name of God and their many interpretations of God's Law which were all religious lies. They were enemies of the God of Israel because they, by their doctrines and traditions — their religion— caused the people of God to turn against God.

Jesus Christ warned His followers not to become like them nor teach doctrines and traditions — lies like the Pharisees and Sadducees did. Your religious leaders(Phariseeic beings) teach nothing but religious lies(doctrines and traditions of men) that are against Jesus Christ. That is the long and short of what Jesus Christ taught His followers regarding these things.

3. I laugh! The one doing the cherry-picking here is your person. You reject a lot of what God said to assert ideas that are foreign to Scripture.

Kukutenla:
■ Your claim is like saying only lawyers who are versed in the laws of Nigeria qualify as citizens of Nigeria. Every citizen who accepts the laws of Nigeria has same rights and privileges as an erudite SAN who dedicates himself to receiving and studying the laws.
■ Again, your claim is that God has already chosen Israel for himself and others have no business with God. How does that make sense in the light of John3vs16? Can you show where Jesus said in John 3 that he only came to offer salvation to Israelites? You are twisting the Bible to your selfish ideas.
■ John 3 talked of being born of water and spirit. Is that exclusively preserved for Israelites as well? Be careful. You sound more like a Pharisee yourself. Jesus said Come unto me ALL not Israelites. Go ye into the world and not go ye into Israel.
■ You are only here to spread your confusion. Go and read Galatians to get a better idea and free yourself from this confusion

1. This makes no sense to any of what I have said on this issue so far.

Again, the God of Israel asserted that His Law He gave only to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, AND Jacob. He created all things but gave His Law specifically to the Children of Israel whom He chose as His only inheritance in the land of men. So exactly when did this fact of His Law change? Before or after He declared His Law was everlasting i.e. UNCHANGING?

2. This is what Jesus Christ said in John 3.

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 14 - 17

As Jesus Christ explained, He is a bronze snake raised by God in the same way the bronze snake was raised in the wilderness after God had condemned the Israelites to death. Jesus Christ was raised by God to save those who were already condemned by God for their sins against Him among the Israelites. Is Jesus Christ a liar to you?

3. According to Jesus Christ, in the same context of John 3 vs 1 -21 He discussed that to be saved from the condemnation of sin one must first be born of Water and born of Spirit, Jesus Christ clearly expressed that the salvation from the condemnation of sin which He was sent to offer was to the same world that Moses raised the bronze snake to in the wilderness. The World He sent His followers into, He described as the same world that God caused Moses to raise the Bronze snake to. So, tell me, was Jesus Christ mistaken about those whom His Father sent Him to offer salvation to even there in John 3?

4. If your religion is not in fact of worthless lies which Jesus Christ proclaimed it to be in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 1[/b]3, then you would prove it to be of God and have no reason or need to look for ways to attack my person. Jesus Christ proclaimed 2000 years ago that His Word is [b]Everlasting aka UnCHANGING. But here religion claims Jesus Christ changed His mind, so how can your religion be of Jesus Christ?

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ahmedio2017:
You are just dueling on this same point since morning, I told you your God make mistakes, and even tell lies in the bible you couldn't defend that shame on you.

Your are just making bogus claims.
Where did God make a mistake and told a lie?
Is that why Muhammad took his son's wife? Why have not even talked of his murders and rape not to mention pedophilia

Kukutenla:
Your are just making bogus claims.
Where did God make a mistake and told a lie?
Is that why Muhammad took his son's wife? Why have not even talked of his murders and rape not to mention pedophilia

Your God regret

Genesis 6:6

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.