Lexusgs430:


Ok, just open Louis Vuitton website, grab your credit card........

Now order anything you like ......... Afterwards, grab your phone, open deliveroo...... Eat and drink till mama comes home.. . 😀

justwise:


I was shocked when I read that story on BBC website. £11K a month he is getting for round the clock care and he was able to save 50K for holidays with his two PAs. No wonder city councils are going broke. Shocked !!

lavida001:


We pay tax and they use it to pay benefit and disability allowance. Yet we are not entitled to public funds. Immigrant eyes dey see shege.

Looking at my tax deductions and I fit just start to cry

jedisco:


My council would soon join the list. Number one expenditure and rising for most is adult social care. While very important, many are beginning to understand that money needs to come form somewhere.




Hehe.. the immigrant of today would be the Brit of tomorrow. Just that most immigrants have already been chiselled in a way that they'd put in the extra effort for the sake of their kids

dupyshoo:
Even when you become British, if you are not already, you will still not be entitled to any benefits. You will also be paying way more tax as your salary would have increased so much. So, it a no win situation.

jedisco:
Also in the news...

The number of people inactive for health reasons was 2.8 million by the end of 2023 – a rise of more than 200,000 on the year and a jump of 700,000 since before the Covid pandemic. In a literal sense, this is a sick economy....Employers are also trying to plug the gap by employing more people from overseas. The number of UK-born workers decreased by 312,000 between the fourth quarter of 2022 and the fourth quarter of 2023, while the number of foreign-born workers rose by 405,000.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/13/uk-labour-market-long-term-sickness-economy-workers

I remember my statement the last time this record was broken...

The next 1-2 years hould be interesting.

The effect of the salary cap should soon simmer through. Less number of masters students, the few coming have no dependents. Care pathway has been restricted.

For starters, I'm say more vacancies would crop up in the care sector (like we had 2-3 yrs ago), more shortages in other sectors and universities moaning. I pity some folks doing masters though.

justwise:


I was shocked when I read that story on BBC website. £11K a month he is getting for round the clock care and he was able to save 50K for holidays with his two PAs. No wonder city councils are going broke. Shocked !!

ehizario2012:


I actually think this adult social care thing benefits the economy in a few ways; mainly because funds from councils keep the care & support homes afloat... Some service users/patients receive as much as £17k monthly from the councils. Without these funds, care homes won't be able to pay staff (immigrants inclusive) working in care. Add free ihs, free school for children generally (immigrants inclusive.) It's a complicated relationship.

However, as long as funds are not being looted like in Nigeria, the system would keep going sustainably.

ehizario2012:


Do the guys currently running a Masters programme really have a disadvantage? I thought they just like every other immigrant already in the UK.

Santa2:


abeg which of the shops? put me on biko? what part of kent?

wonlasewonimi:

Oh really, where in Kent?

Atk1nson:
Disability living seems fanciful in this country.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-68178940

lavida001:


[b]We pay tax and they use it to pay benefit and disability allowance. [/b]Yet we are not entitled to public funds. Immigrant eyes dey see shege.

Looking at my tax deductions and I fit just start to cry

deept:


Benefit the economy? When funds that should be used for other services, build infrastructure and other productive ventures are being cut reducing the general quality of life. In the council I live they released a list of services that they are planning to cut eg. School hours, roads that will be gritted during winter snow, frequency of garbage collection, closing down public buildings, reducing the hours street lights will be on for amongst other essentials services not to add councils going bankrupt, laying off of staff and increasing taxes. This and others with their wider implications.

I am not against social care, etc but the money will eventually run out someday and taxes will continue to go up etc. plus a lot of these providers and users are gaming the system, making loads of money.

ehizario2012:


I actually think this adult social care thing benefits the economy in a few ways; mainly because funds from councils keep the care & support homes afloat... Some service users/patients receive as much as £17k monthly from the councils. Without these funds, care homes won't be able to pay staff (immigrants inclusive) working in care. Add free ihs, free school for children generally (immigrants inclusive.) It's a complicated relationship.

However, as long as funds are not being looted like in Nigeria, the system would keep going sustainably.

wonlasewonimi:


Like I got the shocker of my life after filing self assessment in Jan and HMRC said I am still owing them 000's despite being inside IR35. I need a tax haven!

Goodenoch:


So what's your solution? People unable to work or live normally due to their disability shouldn't be supported to have normal lives? Or you think they are paid too much so they should only be kept alive but not afforded any opportunity for leisure?

This individual's case is clearly very unique and that's why it's in the news. Beware of assuming that's the norm (unless you know many other people saving 50k from their disability payments).

Also, whether it benefits the economy or not is secondary. The core question isn whether it benefits people to live a good life. What's the point of a robust economy if large swathes of people are living in lack due to not being able to work and earn an income and also not being supported by the government?

jedisco:


From my understanding, after completing masters and PSW, they'd have to meet the new 38k salary treshold to be sponsored or move into select sectors e.g care. Even with care, they need to meet the treshold if they are to sponsor family. Quite similar to when PSW was initially scrapped a decade ago. The other thing is the visa cost for masters and psw and the fact the time spent don't count towards ILR (work route).

Wouldn't surprise me if the route to ILR is made 7 years. For the govt, why chop IHS fee for 5 years when you can chop same for 7 or 10 years and then collect ILR fee at the end.

Goodenoch:


So what's your solution? People unable to work or live normally due to their disability shouldn't be supported to have normal lives? Or you think they are paid too much so they should only be kept alive but not afforded any opportunity for leisure?

This individual's case is clearly very unique and that's why it's in the news. Beware of assuming that's the norm (unless you know many other people saving 50k from their disability payments).

Also, whether it benefits the economy or not is secondary. The core question is whether it benefits people to live a good life. What's the point of a robust economy if large swathes of people are living in lack due to not being able to work and earn an income and also not being supported by the government?

deept:


1.Social care should not be outsourced. The major winners are the private social care companies, property investors

2.Families should be involved in care and not leave it 100% to government

3.Disability should be dis-incentivized. Some people wear it as a badge of honor and it seems all these benefits encourage people to jump on the gravy train

4. Being disabled does not mean a person cant be productive, subject to the kind of disability they have and can be encouraged to contribute to the society rather than be a liability.

You say this is an individual case, yes a few 10s or hundred people in a council but the impact that is having on council funds to effect its other functions. Besides I didnt say those not able to work shouldnt be supported, was responding to somone who said social care is helping the economy.

Robust economy?

wonlasewonimi:


Like I got the shocker of my life after filing self assessment in Jan and HMRC said I am still owing them 000's despite being inside IR35. I need a tax haven!

dupyshoo:
That is it o. I have stopped checking the tax I pay every month before someone will have hBP.

deept:


1.Social care should not be outsourced. The major winners are the private social care companies, property investors
So government should be the one running social care, right? Support workers, PAs etc - all of them should be hired by councils. And since you mention property investors, councils should be the ones building/managing care homes as well, right?

2.Families should be involved in care and not leave it 100% to government
What does this mean exactly? Do you think families are not involved in the status quo, and what does involvement mean to you? They should stay at home and be caregivers, right? So which family members should it be? Parents should retire and become carers when they birth children with disabilities? Elder siblings should do the same when they have younger siblings with disability?
What happens to those people's careers, life plans etc? Will they be paid at a rate commensurate with what they would be earning if they were, for instance, an investment banker in London before? Or would having a family member with a disability mean automatically that someone is doomed to the salary of a healthcare worker for life?

3.Disability should be dis-incentivized. Some people wear it as a badge of honor and it seems all these benefits encourage people to jump on the gravy train
How exactly should disability be disincentivized in your opinion? Again, you should check what people generally get paid, because it seems you're still letting your view be skewed by this one edge case.

4. Being disabled does not mean a person cant be productive, subject to the kind of disability they have and can be encouraged to contribute to the society rather than be a liability.
That's the status quo. Being disabled doesn't even automatically entitle people to benefits of any kind. There are thresholds and checks before a person begins to receive any kind of support.

You say this is an individual case, yes a few 10s or hundred people in a council but the impact that is having on council funds to effect its other functions. Besides I didnt say those not able to work shouldnt be supported, was responding to somone who said social care is helping the economy.
Robust economy?
I said robust economy in general terms. Whether any given economy is robust or not, supporting people with the ability to live properly must be a priority, or would you rather things be like they are in some countries where disabled people roll around on the street on wooden boards, half naked because they're too poor to buy clothes, holding plates in their hands and begging passerby for money to feed, because there's no support from the government to be had?

deept:


Now that's taking everything to the extreme.

From your argument, i can say the government should give everything to whoever wants to claim any form of benefits at the expense of every other service it is supposed to render.

Goodenoch:


No. I already told you how there are already systems in place to verify a person's need and to support them to the extent that they require. It's you who's making it seem as if people just wake up, stretch and declare 'I have a disability and I want benefits', and are then handed the keys to councils' vaults to take as much as they like.

I don't mean to sound like I'm attacking you (I really am not) but[b] it's clear that you don't know much about how the system works, and you're basing your perception off articles like the one that started this conversation.[/b][color=#990000][/color] Those articles are planted to rile people up against specific demographics, just like the constant attacks on immigrants.

Just FYI, the process of claiming disability payments takes a long time - usually several months, and typically requires assessment by a medical professional. It's also not usually permanent - it needs to be reviewed regularly.

On fraud - (DWP) has published annual statistics on benefit fraud and error which show that estimated disability benefits fraud was just 0.2 per cent of funds paid in 2022-23. Compare that to the funds lost to government cronyism at all levels from councils to Westminster and you'll see it for what it is - a distracting tactic.

Lexusgs430:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/15/nigeria-indian-students-universities-immigration-rules/


Nigerian foreign students applications reduced by almost 50%....... But higher demands from Turkey, China and Canada......... 🤣😂

This universities know how to butter their crumpets....... 🤣😂

Zahra29:


Hmm, data like this lends credence to the govt argument and subsequent clampdown on education being used as a backdoor route by some nationalities.

wonlasewonimi:


That's another story entirely. Looking at my last P60, I feel like the small me is fully responsible for a junior doctor's livelihood.

justwise:


Years ago I emailed the HR to tell them to stop sending me payslips and they did. Don’t want to see those taxes.

missjekyll:


East Kent