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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ANTllSLAAM: 1:37pm On Mar 22
Ohyoudidnt:


There used to be this comedy back in the day. I don't remember the name now where the village court I think had an interpreter of the foreign judge that often if not mainly interpreted to Igbo incorrectly or wrongly the words the judge said and vice versa. How sure are you of the translations you present?

I presented a screenshot of the actual Qur'an translation by T.B Irving and even went on to present the text there for you to see his translation was misrepresented.

I gave you transliteration and actual Arabic to translate and all you can do is reshare them with me as you either cannot translate it or pretend due to the presentation of your error to you.

The one who shares falsehood and the other who helps broadcast it are both guilty of presenting falsehood or aren't they?




You don't see that the Arabic is part of the original Arabic text of Quran 10:94 who's Irving and Hegab's translation including a Bible not stated in the Arabic you have been bandying around.







فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكّٖ مِّمَّآ أَنزَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ فَسۡـَٔلِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَقۡرَءُونَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ مِن قَبۡلِكَۚ لَقَدۡ جَآءَكَ ٱلۡحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلۡمُمۡتَرِينَ
10:94
Fa in kunta fee shakkin mimmaaa anzalnaaa ilaika fas’alil lazeena yaqra’oonal Kitaaba min qablik; laqad jaaa’akal haqqu mir Rabbika fa laa takoonanna minal mumtareen
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL:
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters

Why do you obstinately refuse to define teenage despite repeated questioning?


[Did you understand the Arabic you texted above? I asked you which scripture is it talking about since three days ago now, allah and Muhammad in grave has not help you to answer the question.]

يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ
yaqrauna al-kitaba min qablika
They read (in context of this verse 10:94 past tense form) the Scriptures before you.
Contained in Quran 10:94



Ohyoudidnt:


يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ


This is the 5th times I am asking this bros.. The scripture in that Arabic is what?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ANTllSLAAM: 3:25pm On Mar 22
ahmedio2017:




Lolzzzzzzzz tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

Just saying rubbish. Tell us where the word Bible mentioned in both Bible and Quran is that too difficult?

It's surprising the Book have no name. I can see the word Bible only on the cover pages. Who name it Paul or Who??

The Word Quran is mentioned 70 times in the Holy Quran.

I do read Bible but am yet to see the Word Bible. Maybe I have not come across it, help me with it.

But if the word is not there, I don't need further theories and hypotheses that the Bible is Hebrew from then this and that bla bla bla... For all I need is the verse of the Bible.


The Holy Qur'an is also translated to English and that doesn't erase the word Qur'an.


Just answer simple question. Calm down and learn.

You must provide answer or keep shut forever

Oponu ayerada calling someone mumu

ahmedio2017:



Bible comprises of injeel and Torah together with fallacies and fables is it hard for you to comprehend? Bible comprises of a lot of defects and errors so we cannot follow that book that has been compromised

I don't know how many times I will answer your question, sufu odeh grin
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 4:22pm On Mar 22
I read an interesting islamic literature on front-page where it says children are not allowed to fast during the month of Ramadan.

So my question to our Muslims colleagues...
If a 6 year old girl is not matured enough to fast, how come she is matured enough to get married.
If a 9 year old girl is not fully developed enough to fast for just 28 days, how come she's fully developed enough to have sex all year round.
It's not making sense, I need an enlightened Muslim to demystify the mystery.

Pls no insult , remember it's the month of Ramadan. If I don't know the answer, just pass.
Thank U.

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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 6:25pm On Mar 22
SIRTee15:
I read an interesting islamic literature on front-page where it says children are not allowed to fast during the month of Ramadan.

So my question to our Muslims colleagues...
If a 6 year old girl is not matured enough to fast, how come she is matured enough to get married.
If a 9 year old girl is not fully developed enough to fast for just 28 days, how come she's fully developed enough to have sex all year round.
It's not making sense, I need an enlightened Muslim to demystify the mystery.

Pls no insult , remember it's the month of Ramadan. If I don't know the answer, just pass.
Thank U.

Cc honesttalk, antiChristian, Ohyoudidn't, expanse, LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, Gaskiyamagana, drlateef, ,iamrealdeji madridguy, Explore2xmore
Qasim6 ahmedio2017
Let me help you ask more questions of your reasoning, thinking and understanding:
1. How is it possible for a person to say he went to Jerusalem and from there to heaven and come back before morning just within a night ?
2. If God don't want us to drink palm wine, why did He create Palm wine tree?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 6:28pm On Mar 22
TenQ:
The Flaws In The Taoheed (doctrine Of Oneness Of Allah) Destroys Allah As God


The fundamental doctrine of Islam is the Taoheed meaning: The Oneness of Allah.

Unfortunately, inasmuch as Muslims would like to grandrously magnify Allah and make him the same as the God of the people of the Book, they unfortunately limit him unknowingly.
As a rule, Islam ALWAYS BREAK down with scrutiny. And this is why Muslims hardly ask questions.

You will all see that a little examination of Islamic doctrine expose the weakness of the Taoheed. Taoheed makes Allah a limited God because of these claims of Islam below.

Claims of Islam :
1. Allah is on his throne upon the waters above the seven heavens.

2. Allah descend everyday to the lowest heaven at the third part of the night to listen to the supplications of the Muslims
3. Muslims will SEE Allah with their eyes on the Day of judgement

4. Allah will appear to the Muslims and will change his shape to. another form on the Day of resurrection to a form unknown to the Muslims (Muslims will be in disbelief until until they see the shin of Allah)

5. Allah cannot enter into his creation because he is too big for that


If ALL these are true, then
1. If Allah is above the seven heavens (which is also all above the earth), Allah cannot be omnipresent.
It is logically impossible for Allah to be above the heavens and below it at the same time.

2. If Allah descend to the lowest heaven everyday at the third part of the night to listen to the supplications of the Muslims, then Allah cannot be omniscient.
It is either that Allah is not knowledgeable that the earth is not flat but spherical (thus Allah is trapped forever on the earth) and it is thus impossible for Allah to be on his throne above the heavens at the same time

3. If Muslims will see Allah with their eyes on the Day of judgement, it means that Allah is finite both in scope and size. Moreover, Allah is NOT a spirit according to Islamic scholars, thus Allah is a physical being.

4. If Allah changes his shape to the Muslims, then this proves that the shape of Allah is created. If not, can any Muslim tell us what happened to the original shape of Allah when he appeared to you in a different shape. Obviously, the first shape not the second shape of Allah are not eternal. There is no Islamic doctrine that Allah is shapeless

5. If Allah is too big to enter his creation, how come he managed to pass through the layers of heaven to the lowest heavens in order to listen to the supplications of the Muslims at the third part of the night?
6. Of course, there is no dispute that Allah is One but then, What is the difference between the Oneness of Allah and the Oneness of Iblis (satan)? If there is no difference apart from difference in assigned attributes, then there is NOTHING special about the Taoheed of Allah.


Of course, except if ALL these claims of Muslims about Allah is FABRICATED as usual

Questions;
1. Can Allah be Above the seven heavens and be below it at the same time?
2. If it is true that Allah descends every third part of the night to the lowest heavens, doe it not mean that Allah is perpetually on earth?
3. If Muslims will see Allah physically in paradise, does it not show that Allah is limited?
4. If it is true that Allah will change his shape when he appears to Muslims in paradise, what happens to Allah's first shape?
5. If Allah is too big to enter into his creation, how then does he descend from his throne to the lowest heaven?
6. What is special with Taoheed of Allah since we know that Iblis is also one and unique?


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How far have you think, ponder over the flaws in the christians belief of divinity, sonship and trinity of Jesus in relation to God?

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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 6:36pm On Mar 22
gaskiyamagana:

Let me help you ask more questions of your reasoning, thinking and understanding:
1. How is it possible for a person to say he went to Jerusalem and from there to heaven and come back before morning just within a night ?
2. If God don't want us to drink palm wine, why did He create Palm wine tree?

1. Possibly supernatural so far as the person is a theist. The problem is if there are no human witness to such supernatural claim, how can we believe him? How are we sure he's not hallucinating? Or lying?

2. There's nothing wrong in drinking palm wine. It's a natural product. God will not make anything evil. Excesses is what God frown upon.
Look at weed, a natural plant. For long time it was demonised. Now we realised cannabis is a actually good for seizures, chronic pain, neuropathic pain, some symptoms associated with multiple sclerosis.

Everything has it's good side. Excess is what God frowns upon. Even food and water.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by MightySparrow: 7:01pm On Mar 22
gaskiyamagana:

How far have you think, ponder over the flaws in the christians belief of divinity, sonship and trinity of Jesus in relation to God?

I have no problem with any of the things you mentioned. It is Muslims that have headache with that.


Anyway, is it because of flaws in the beliefs of Christian Faith that prompt Mohammed to receive lies from Allah?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:08pm On Mar 22
SIRTee15:
I read an interesting islamic literature on front-page where it says children are not allowed to fast during the month of Ramadan.

So my question to our Muslims colleagues...
If a 6 year old girl is not matured enough to fast, how come she is matured enough to get married.
If a 9 year old girl is not fully developed enough to fast for just 28 days, how come she's fully developed enough to have sex all year round.
It's not making sense, I need an enlightened Muslim to demystify the mystery.

Pls no insult , remember it's the month of Ramadan. If I don't know the answer, just pass.
Thank U.

Cc honesttalk, antiChristian, Ohyoudidn't, expanse, LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, Gaskiyamagana, drlateef, ,iamrealdeji madridguy, Explore2xmore
Qasim6 ahmedio2017
There is nothing beyond the power of Allah, especially in enabling a six year old baby girl to handle the sexual instrument of 50 something year old mallam

Have faith!
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 7:20pm On Mar 22
TenQ:

There is nothing beyond the power of Allah, especially in enabling a six year old baby girl to handle the sexual instrument of 50 something year old mallam

Have faith!

Na serious abracadabra
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 7:48pm On Mar 22
SIRTee15:


Na serious abracadabra
Don't you believe in the miracle of Allah and his Apostle? Allah can make a baby girl become an adult by marriage!
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 8:25pm On Mar 22
ANTllSLAAM:


This is the 5th times I am asking this bros.. The scripture in that Arabic is what?

Obviously there has been improper communication.

In Quran 10:94, the scripture mentioned is believed to be a reference to the previous divine revelations that were given to the people before the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. The exact scripture or text is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran, but it is understood that it refers to the earlier scriptures revealed by God to different prophets pbut throughout history before Muhammad pbuh.


Now can you answer the question on 6 year teenage?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 8:27pm On Mar 22
SIRTee15:
I read an interesting islamic literature on front-page where it says children are not allowed to fast during the month of Ramadan.

So my question to our Muslims colleagues...
If a 6 year old girl is not matured enough to fast, how come she is matured enough to get married.
If a 9 year old girl is not fully developed enough to fast for just 28 days, how come she's fully developed enough to have sex all year round.
It's not making sense, I need an enlightened Muslim to demystify the mystery.

Pls no insult , remember it's the month of Ramadan. If I don't know the answer, just pass.
Thank U.

Cc honesttalk, antiChristian, Ohyoudidn't, expanse, LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, Gaskiyamagana, drlateef, ,iamrealdeji madridguy, Explore2xmore
Qasim6 ahmedio2017

Can you share the article or post a link to it?

This will enable an adequate response.

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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 8:35pm On Mar 22
Ohyoudidnt:


Can you share the article or post a link to it?

This will enable an adequate response.

https://www.nairaland.com/8038195/what-age-should-child-start
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 8:52pm On Mar 22
gaskiyamagana:

How far have you think, ponder over the flaws in the christians belief of divinity, sonship and trinity of Jesus in relation to God?
There is not a single flaw like that of the Taoheed of Allah.

1. Yahweh is Everywhere as the Unlimited Holy Spirit in the Physical and Spiritual space. (Spirit = Ruach [Hebrew] or Ruh [Arabic] translate roughly to Air, Wind or Unseen Mover of things)
2. Yahweh is on His throne as the Father of Life in Heaven surrounded by the Angels and the Heavenly Beings worshipping and glorifying Him endlessly
3. Yahweh as the Word is sent to Anywhere the Bodily Presence of God is Required either in the Physical realm or in the Spiritual realm.



Unfortunately,
Allah can only be in ONE place at a time because he is just one entity.

Allah is NOT a Spirit, therefore he must be physical and it's understandable that he is limited as physical beings.

The Oneness of Allah is an attribute shared by very many creatures of God. Isn't Iblis one? Is Jibril not just one? Are you yourself not uniquely one!? Is there anyone like you in the universe?


I have asked you before :
Your prophet said:
All the prophets of Allah are in their graves praying to Allah! Is this true or untrue?

You prophet rode on Al-Burak to heaven and he met and spoke with Moses, Adam, Yusuf, David and Co. Is this true or untrue of your prophet?


Please tell me: how are the prophets of Allah in their graves praying and also in paradise at the same time?

Are these fabricated hadiths of your prophet?
Did Mohammed truly met with the prophets or it was a figment of his imagination?

There is a lot you need to learn from us Christians!


Secondly,
Will you as Muslims see your Allah on the day of judgement?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 8:57pm On Mar 22
gaskiyamagana:

Let me help you ask more questions of your reasoning, thinking and understanding:
1. How is it possible for a person to say he went to Jerusalem and from there to heaven and come back before morning just within a night ?
2. If God don't want us to drink palm wine, why did He create Palm wine tree?
1. Who went to Jerusalem and who was his evidence?
2. Who told you that God doesn't want us to drink palm wine?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 8:59pm On Mar 22
Ohyoudidnt:


Can you share the article or post a link to it?

This will enable an adequate response.

https://www.nairaland.com/8038195/what-age-should-child-start
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 9:13pm On Mar 22
Ohyoudidnt:


Obviously there has been improper communication.

In Quran 10:94, the scripture mentioned is believed to be a reference to the previous divine revelations that were given to the people before the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. The exact scripture or text is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran, but it is understood that it refers to the earlier scriptures revealed by God to different prophets pbut throughout history before Muhammad pbuh.


Now can you answer the question on 6 year teenage?
And is it untrue that Allah specifically calls the Jews and Christians as People of the Book (Scripture)
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ANTllSLAAM: 10:00pm On Mar 22
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Ohyoudidnt:


Obviously there has been improper communication.

In Quran 10:94, the scripture mentioned is believed to be a reference to the previous divine revelations that were given to the people before the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. The exact scripture or text is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran, but it is understood that it refers to the earlier scriptures revealed by God to different prophets pbut throughout history before Muhammad pbuh.


Now can you answer the question on 6 year teenage?

Is it according to your own shallowness that the scripture is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran? You are a big disgrace to islam

All your fellow slaves believed that the scripture mentioned therein is Torah and Injeel that made up what is called BIBLE but you are there typing nonsense that the scripture is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran. Bros, you need to drink camel urine[b]

Is like you know islam and Quran more than those in Saudi Arabia

What happened to the 6yr old girl you messenger married? Or your messenger didn't married a 6yr of girl again
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 10:39pm On Mar 22
ANTllSLAAM:
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Is it according to your own shallowness that the scripture is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran? You are a big disgrace to islam

All your fellow slaves believed that the scripture mentioned therein is Torah and Injeel that made up what is called BIBLE but you are there typing nonsense that the scripture is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran. Bros, you need to drink camel urine[b]

Is like you know islam and Quran more than those in Saudi Arabia

What happened to the 6yr old girl you messenger married? Or your messenger didn't married a 6yr of girl again


It's a troubling that you are fixated on your type of answer.

بِسْمِ اللّٰهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ

فَاِنْ كُنْتَ فِیْ شَكٍّ مِّمَّاۤ اَنْزَلْنَاۤ اِلَیْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِیْنَ یَقْرَءُوْنَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ١ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُوْنَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِیْنَۙ


-----Syed Abul Ala Maududi-----

Now, if you are in doubt concerning what We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Book before you. It is the truth that has come to you from your Lord, so do never become one of those who doubt,

-----Safi-ur-Rehman Mubarakpuri-----

So if you are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, then ask those who are reading the Book before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it).

-----Muhammad Pickthall-----

And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

-----Saheeh International-----

So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

-----Muhammad Sarwar-----

If you (people) have any doubt about what We have revealed to you (about the Day of Judgment and other matters of belief), ask those who read the Book that was revealed (to the Prophets who lived) before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord. Thus, do not doubt it (in your heart),


-----Muhammad Shakir-----

But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.

-----Abdul Majid Daryabadi-----

And if thou be in doubt concerning that which We have sent down unto thee, then ask those who have read the Books before thee. Assuredly hath the truth come unto thee from thy Lord, so be not then of the doubters.

-----Yusuf Ali-----

If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

Al-Quran - Surah 10 - Yunus - Ayah 94

I have put above 8 transactions of the meaning. They don't describe who or which group make those who read the book or scripture before.

Muhammad Sarwar even states them as those who read scripture revealed to the Prophets who lived before Muhammad pbuh.

Were there many or numerous prophets before prophet Muhammad? Do you know their exact number and how many of them had scriptures revealed to them?

You obviously are not familiar with the verse Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

إِنَّآ أَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ كَمَآ أَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَىٰ نُوحٍ وَٱلنَّبِيِّـۧنَ مِنۢ بَعۡدِهِۦ ۚ وَأَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَىٰٓ إِبۡرَٰهِيمَ وَإِسۡمَٰعِيلَ وَإِسۡحَٰقَ وَيَعۡقُوبَ وَٱلۡأَسۡبَاطِ وَعِيسَىٰ وَأَيُّوبَ وَيُونُسَ وَهَٰرُونَ وَسُلَيۡمَٰنَ ۚ وَءَاتَيۡنَا دَاوُۥدَ زَبُورًا
"We have revealed to you as We revealed to Noah, and the prophets after him, and, as, We revealed to Abraham and, his two sons, Ishmael and Isaac, and Jacob, the son of Isaac, and the Tribes, his [Jacob’s] children, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron, and Solomon, and We gave to, his father, David the Inscribed Book (read zabūran, it would denote the name of the revealed Book [cf. the Psalms]; read zubūran would make it a verbal noun, meaning mazbūran, that is to say, maktūban, ‘inscribed’)."
(Q4:163)

I guess you anti-Islam school of apologetics failed to mention it or as you have redefined the age of teenage to 6 you are attempting further misinformation.

Do you not see other prophets had scriptures revealed to them? Are these not what are contained in the books?

A closed system is not responsive to external systems just as a closed mind that thinks itself all wise fails to learn anything new until it becomes obsolete and irrelevant.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ANTllSLAAM: 11:07pm On Mar 22
Ohyoudidnt:


It's a troubling that you are fixated on your type of answer.

بِسْمِ اللّٰهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ

فَاِنْ كُنْتَ فِیْ شَكٍّ مِّمَّاۤ اَنْزَلْنَاۤ اِلَیْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِیْنَ یَقْرَءُوْنَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ١ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُوْنَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِیْنَۙ


-----Syed Abul Ala Maududi-----

Now, if you are in doubt concerning what We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Book before you. It is the truth that has come to you from your Lord, so do never become one of those who doubt,

-----Safi-ur-Rehman Mubarakpuri-----

So if you are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, then ask those who are reading the Book before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it).

-----Muhammad Pickthall-----

And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

-----Saheeh International-----

So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

-----Muhammad Sarwar-----

If you (people) have any doubt about what We have revealed to you (about the Day of Judgment and other matters of belief), ask those who read the Book that was revealed (to the Prophets who lived) before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord. Thus, do not doubt it (in your heart),


-----Muhammad Shakir-----

But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.

-----Abdul Majid Daryabadi-----

And if thou be in doubt concerning that which We have sent down unto thee, then ask those who have read the Books before thee. Assuredly hath the truth come unto thee from thy Lord, so be not then of the doubters.

-----Yusuf Ali-----

If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

Al-Quran - Surah 10 - Yunus - Ayah 94

I have put above 8 transactions of the meaning. They don't describe who or which group make those who read the book or scripture before.

Muhammad Sarwar even states them as those who read scripture revealed to the Prophets who lived before Muhammad pbuh.

Were there many or numerous prophets before prophet Muhammad? Do you know their exact number and how many of them had scriptures revealed to them?

You obviously are not familiar with the verse Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

إِنَّآ أَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ كَمَآ أَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَىٰ نُوحٍ وَٱلنَّبِيِّـۧنَ مِنۢ بَعۡدِهِۦ ۚ وَأَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَىٰٓ إِبۡرَٰهِيمَ وَإِسۡمَٰعِيلَ وَإِسۡحَٰقَ وَيَعۡقُوبَ وَٱلۡأَسۡبَاطِ وَعِيسَىٰ وَأَيُّوبَ وَيُونُسَ وَهَٰرُونَ وَسُلَيۡمَٰنَ ۚ وَءَاتَيۡنَا دَاوُۥدَ زَبُورًا
"We have revealed to you as We revealed to Noah, and the prophets after him, and, as, We revealed to Abraham and, his two sons, Ishmael and Isaac, and Jacob, the son of Isaac, and the Tribes, his [Jacob’s] children, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron, and Solomon, and We gave to, his father, David the Inscribed Book (read zabūran, it would denote the name of the revealed Book [cf. the Psalms]; read zubūran would make it a verbal noun, meaning mazbūran, that is to say, maktūban, ‘inscribed’)."
(Q4:163)

I guess you anti-Islam school of apologetics failed to mention it or as you have redefined the age of teenage to 6 you are attempting further misinformation.

Do you not see other prophets had scriptures revealed to them? Are these not what are contained in the books?

A closed system is not responsive to external systems just as a closed mind that thinks itself all wise fails to learn anything new until it becomes obsolete and irrelevant.



Even Tafsirs of that verse says the scripture mentioned therein is Torah and Injeel.. Well sha, I understand your pains and suffering ko easy to exposed the gullibility in someone's life
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 11:09pm On Mar 22
SIRTee15:


https://www.nairaland.com/8038195/what-age-should-child-start

Thank you for sharing.

Is age and maturity a determining factor for worship. Is it not said that you teach them when young so they don't depart from the path? A young child is not obligated (to be forced to do something or feel that you must do something) to fast for good reason such as development requiring nutrition and less strain which may come from the fast.

Now in the case of Aisha may Allah be pleased with her different ages have been suggested at the time of her marriage to the prophet.

However for a lady or even a male to be married taking a part of Quran 4:6 which shouldn't be looked at in isolation of the preceding verses; "Try, test, well the orphans, before reaching maturity with regard [the duties of] religion and [before] they can [legally] manage their own affairs, until they reach the age of marrying, that is, until they have become eligible for it through puberty or [legal] age; then, if you perceive in them maturity, that is, right [judgement] in matters of religion and their property, deliver their property to them; consume it not, O guardians, wastefully, without due merit, and in haste, that is, hastening to expend it, fearing, lest they should grow up, and become mature, at which time you will be obliged to hand it over to them. If any man, who is a guardian, is rich, let him be abstinent, that is, let him abstain from the orphan’s property and refrain from consuming it; if he is poor, let him consume, of it, honourably, that is, in line with the wage for his work. And when you deliver to them, the orphans, their property, take witnesses over them, that they have received it and that you are absolved [of the obligation], so that if any dispute occurs, you are able to refer to a clear proof: this is a command [intended] for guidance. God suffices as a reckoner, as a guardian of His creatures’ deeds and as a reckoner of these [deeds] (the bā’ [in bi’Llāhi] is extra)."

In analyzing the historical and religious context surrounding Aisha’s marriage to Prophet Muhammad, it becomes evident that she had fulfilled the requirements to be married when she entered into this union.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 11:17pm On Mar 22
Ohyoudidnt:


Thank you for sharing.

Is age and maturity a determining factor for worship. Is it not said that you teach them when young so they don't depart from the path? A young child is not obligated (to be forced to do something or feel that you must do something) to fast for good reason such as development requiring nutrition and less strain which may come from the fast.

Now in the case of Aisha may Allah be pleased with her different ages have been suggested at the time of her marriage to the prophet.

However for a lady or even a male to be married taking a part of Quran 4:6 which shouldn't be looked at in isolation of the preceding verses; "Try, test, well the orphans, before reaching maturity with regard [the duties of] religion and [before] they can [legally] manage their own affairs, until they reach the age of marrying, that is, until they have become eligible for it through puberty or [legal] age; then, if you perceive in them maturity, that is, right [judgement] in matters of religion and their property, deliver their property to them; consume it not, O guardians, wastefully, without due merit, and in haste, that is, hastening to expend it, fearing, lest they should grow up, and become mature, at which time you will be obliged to hand it over to them. If any man, who is a guardian, is rich, let him be abstinent, that is, let him abstain from the orphan’s property and refrain from consuming it; if he is poor, let him consume, of it, honourably, that is, in line with the wage for his work. And when you deliver to them, the orphans, their property, take witnesses over them, that they have received it and that you are absolved [of the obligation], so that if any dispute occurs, you are able to refer to a clear proof: this is a command [intended] for guidance. God suffices as a reckoner, as a guardian of His creatures’ deeds and as a reckoner of these [deeds] (the bā’ [in bi’Llāhi] is extra)."

In analyzing the historical and religious context surrounding Aisha’s marriage to Prophet Muhammad, it becomes evident that she had fulfilled the requirements to be married when she entered into this union.
At age 6!!!! Aisha has fulfilled what requirements at age 6. Is she a prodigy or what!!!!!
Was she allowed to fast at age 6?
Is she not playing with dolls at age 9? What does that tell U about her level of maturity.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 11:18pm On Mar 22
ANTllSLAAM:


Even Tafsirs of that verse says the scripture mentioned therein is Torah and Injeel.. Well sha, I understand your pains and suffering ko easy to exposed the gullibility in someone's life

Honestly ask yourself if the Torah and the Injeel are all that were revealed before prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Your bible mentions the scrolls of Isaiah and the Psalms. What does the verse in question exactly say is all I ask you? In the web page you got Irving and Hegab's translation did you not see any other translations? How many others say Bible?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 11:23pm On Mar 22
SIRTee15:

At age 6!!!! Aisha has fulfilled what requirements at age 6. Is she a prodigy or what!!!!!
Was she allowed to fast at age 6?
Is she not playing with dolls at age 9? What does that tell U about her level of maturity.

You are fixated thanks to the falsity of the media. You sure have seen other ages outside 6 but choose to stick with that. It's your choice and any other that so agrees. Maybe you will get to know absolutely and maybe not however much or less it matters to you.

The actual age of Aisha when she married Prophet Muhammad was likely in her late teens.

Claims of Aisha being 6 years old:

Critics allege that Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six and the marriage was consummated when she was nine. This claim is based on a saying attributed to Aisha herself in Sahih Bukhari.
However, historical records and analysis suggest that this claim may not be accurate. The context of seventh-century Arabia, where adulthood was defined by the onset of puberty, indicates that Aisha would have been considered an adult at a younger age than in modern times.

Claims of Aisha being 9 years old:

Some Muslims believe in the accuracy of the saying regarding Aisha’s young age, arguing that she must have entered puberty early based on the norms of the time.
However, there are doubts about the reliability of this specific hadith, as historical records indicate discrepancies in estimating ages without formal documentation.


Teenage marriage perspective:

Various historical accounts and analyses suggest that Aisha was likely in her late teens when she married Muhammad. Factors such as her participation in battles and comparisons with other individuals’ ages support this view.
The marriage between Muhammad and Aisha served social and political functions common in Arabian society at that time, rather than being solely based on personal desires.

cc: Honesttalk21
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ANTllSLAAM: 11:40pm On Mar 22
Ohyoudidnt:


Honestly ask yourself if the Torah and the Injeel are all that were revealed before prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Your bible mentions the scrolls of Isaiah and the Psalms. What does the verse in question exactly say is all I ask you? In the web page you got Irving and Hegab's translation did you not see any other translations? How many others say Bible?


Bobo ask your chief imam, sheik, sultan of sokoto, etc that what is the name of the scripture revealed before Late Aishat's husband since it is not Torah and Injeel according to your own gullibility
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 11:49pm On Mar 22
Ohyoudidnt:


You are fixated thanks to the falsity of the media. You sure have seen other ages outside 6 but choose to stick with that. It's your choice and any other that so agrees. Maybe you will get to know absolutely and maybe not however much or less it matters to you.

The actual age of Aisha when she married Prophet Muhammad was likely in her late teens.

Claims of Aisha being 6 years old:

Critics allege that Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six and the marriage was consummated when she was nine. This claim is based on a saying attributed to Aisha herself in Sahih Bukhari.
However, historical records and analysis suggest that this claim may not be accurate. The context of seventh-century Arabia, where adulthood was defined by the onset of puberty, indicates that Aisha would have been considered an adult at a younger age than in modern times.

Claims of Aisha being 9 years old:

Some Muslims believe in the accuracy of the saying regarding Aisha’s young age, arguing that she must have entered puberty early based on the norms of the time.
However, there are doubts about the reliability of this specific hadith, as historical records indicate discrepancies in estimating ages without formal documentation.


Teenage marriage perspective:

Various historical accounts and analyses suggest that Aisha was likely in her late teens when she married Muhammad. Factors such as her participation in battles and comparisons with other individuals’ ages support this view.
The marriage between Muhammad and Aisha served social and political functions common in Arabian society at that time, rather than being solely based on personal desires.

cc: Honesttalk21

All source are from your own literature. Sahih bukhari and sahih Muslim

Aisha was alleged to be tiny when she married Muhammed that people didn't know she was on a camel.
Aisha played with dolls, Aisha and her friends also played with dolls.
All these point to a pre teen girl.

All these talk about calculations of age is different on ancient Arabia doesn't make sense. Did they calculate the other characters in the Koran in such manner?
So are U saying Muhammed was more than 40 when he received his first revelation?

I don't understand why U Muslims deny this facts about Aisha.
Your Koran approves of pre teen marriage. It says a man can divorce his wife who's yet to commence menstruation!!!!
That's a pre teen girl my friend.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ANTllSLAAM: 11:55pm On Mar 22
Ohyoudidnt:


Honestly ask yourself if the Torah and the Injeel are all that were revealed before prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Your bible mentions the scrolls of Isaiah and the Psalms. What does the verse in question exactly say is all I ask you? In the web page you got Irving and Hegab's translation did you not see any other translations? How many others say Bible?


Is like you're new on NL, if you know me very well ehn you won't come here be arguing stupidly and blindly. Ask for me from your Chief slave here on NL AntiChr, he'll tell you more about me

Quran 10:94 Abdul Hye

So if you (O Muhammad) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed to you (that your name is in the Torah and the Gospel), then ask those who have been reading the book (the Torah and the Gospel) before you. Surely, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So you be not of those who doubt,


Quran 10:94 Musharraf Hussain

So, if you are in doubt about what We have revealed, then ask those who read the Book before you, the Jews. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so listener don’t be one of those who have doubts.


Quran 10:94 Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali

So if you (O Muhammad SAW) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, (i.e. that your name is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) then ask those who are reading the Book (the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it)


Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab

If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;


10.94 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

(And if thou) O Muhammad (art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee) concerning that with which We sent Gabriel, i.e. the Qur'an, (then question those who read the Scripture) i.e. the Torah ((that was) before you) 'Abdullah Ibn Salam and his followers. The Prophet (pbuh) did not ask nor was he ever in doubt about the Qur'an. Rather, Allah was addressing with these words the people of the Prophet. (Verily the Truth from thy Lord) i.e. Gabriel with the Qur'an from your Lord, containing the events of past nations (hath come unto thee) O Muhammad. (So be not thou of the waverers) be not of the doubters.



In the third verse (94), the address is obviously to the Holy Prophet ﷺ . But, it goes without saying that there is no probability of his doubting the revelation. Therefore, the purpose is to beam the message to the Muslim community through this address where he is not the intended recipient. Then, it is also possible that this address may be to human beings at large asking them if they had any doubts about the Divine revelation sent to them through Sayyidna Muhammad al-Mustafa ﷺ . If they had, let them ask those who recited the Torah and Injil before them. They would tell them that all past prophets and their Books have been announcing the glad tidings of the Last among Prophets. This will remove their scruples and suspicions.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 12:12am On Mar 23
ANTllSLAAM:


Is like you're new on NL, if you know me very well ehn you won't come here be arguing stupidly and blindly. Ask for me from your Chief slave here on NL AntiChr, he'll tell you more about me

Quran 10:94 Abdul Hye

So if you (O Muhammad) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed to you (that your name is in the Torah and the Gospel), then ask those who have been reading the book (the Torah and the Gospel) before you. Surely, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So you be not of those who doubt,


Quran 10:94 Musharraf Hussain

So, if you are in doubt about what We have revealed, then ask those who read the Book before you, the Jews. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so listener don’t be one of those who have doubts.


Quran 10:94 Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali

So if you (O Muhammad SAW) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, (i.e. that your name is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) then ask those who are reading the Book (the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it)


Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab

If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;


10.94 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

(And if thou) O Muhammad (art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee) concerning that with which We sent Gabriel, i.e. the Qur'an, (then question those who read the Scripture) i.e. the Torah ((that was) before you) 'Abdullah Ibn Salam and his followers. The Prophet (pbuh) did not ask nor was he ever in doubt about the Qur'an. Rather, Allah was addressing with these words the people of the Prophet. (Verily the Truth from thy Lord) i.e. Gabriel with the Qur'an from your Lord, containing the events of past nations (hath come unto thee) O Muhammad. (So be not thou of the waverers) be not of the doubters.



In the third verse (94), the address is obviously to the Holy Prophet ﷺ . But, it goes without saying that there is no probability of his doubting the revelation. Therefore, the purpose is to beam the message to the Muslim community through this address where he is not the intended recipient. Then, it is also possible that this address may be to human beings at large asking them if they had any doubts about the Divine revelation sent to them through Sayyidna Muhammad al-Mustafa ﷺ . If they had, let them ask those who recited the Torah and Injil before them. They would tell them that all past prophets and their Books have been announcing the glad tidings of the Last among Prophets. This will remove their scruples and suspicions.

Oh so you have that to brag with? How fulfilled you must feel.

I simply asked you to show the exact word for Bible in Arabic language in the verse you are here showing what how long after you flog a dead horse? The exact Arabic of Bible is not in that verse or any other Quran verse

Does any of all what you posted exactly say Bible? No.


Argue with your keypad.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ANTllSLAAM: 2:41am On Mar 23
Ohyoudidnt:


Oh so you have that to brag with? How fulfilled you must feel.

I simply asked you to show the exact word for Bible in Arabic language in the verse you are here showing what how long after you flog a dead horse? The exact Arabic of Bible is not in that verse or any other Quran verse

Does any of all what you posted exactly say Bible? No.


Argue with your keypad.

I believed allah has not blindfolded you?

Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab

If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;

To tell us which scripture your own version of the Quran is talking about la problem..

If you're looking for the Arabic word for Bible, what did you understand by the word Bible ?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ANTllSLAAM: 2:43am On Mar 23
Ohyoudidnt:


Honestly ask yourself if the Torah and the Injeel are all that were revealed before prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Your bible mentions the scrolls of Isaiah and the Psalms. What does the verse in question exactly say is all I ask you? In the web page you got Irving and Hegab's translation did you not see any other translations? How many others say Bible?


Ask your chief imams, alfas, sheikhs, etc that what is the name of the book revealed before Muhammad forced himself on you as your islamic messenger
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by IslamVIRGINS(f): 7:11am On Mar 23
IslamVIRGINS:


You should ask any of your well known scholar that how many virgins are you having vigorous sex with in Janat, is it 2 virgins, 72 virgins or 100 virgins you're fucking in janat? That shows contradictions in your hadeeth but all the hadeeths narrations I dropped here are all graded in which you never disputed

I still have many hadeeths, tafsirs, etc on the number of virgins you will be fucking in janat, if you care I will drop them

You didn't work on the contradictions in your hadeeth @Ohyoudidnt

How many virgins are you having vigorous sex with in janat, is it 2, 72 or 100?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by honesttalk21: 8:14am On Mar 23
Ohyoudidnt:


You are fixated thanks to the falsity of the media. You sure have seen other ages outside 6 but choose to stick with that. It's your choice and any other that so agrees. Maybe you will get to know absolutely and maybe not however much or less it matters to you.

The actual age of Aisha when she married Prophet Muhammad was likely in her late teens.

Claims of Aisha being 6 years old:

Critics allege that Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six and the marriage was consummated when she was nine. This claim is based on a saying attributed to Aisha herself in Sahih Bukhari.
However, historical records and analysis suggest that this claim may not be accurate. The context of seventh-century Arabia, where adulthood was defined by the onset of puberty, indicates that Aisha would have been considered an adult at a younger age than in modern times.

Claims of Aisha being 9 years old:

Some Muslims believe in the accuracy of the saying regarding Aisha’s young age, arguing that she must have entered puberty early based on the norms of the time.
However, there are doubts about the reliability of this specific hadith, as historical records indicate discrepancies in estimating ages without formal documentation.


Teenage marriage perspective:

Various historical accounts and analyses suggest that Aisha was likely in her late teens when she married Muhammad. Factors such as her participation in battles and comparisons with other individuals’ ages support this view.
The marriage between Muhammad and Aisha served social and political functions common in Arabian society at that time, rather than being solely based on personal desires.

cc: Honesttalk21

Assalam alaikum waramatullahi wa barakatu Ohyoudidnt. How are you doing? Trust you making the best of Ramadan? May Allah accept this from us.

I regret my preference not to get into these discussions at this time as it is quite a tasking waste of time. They will not agree with you as expected and are keenly working to misguide Muslims and deprive them of maximally using and gaining from Ramadan.

Allah guides whom he will and how he will.

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