SocialJustice:
List one point in history where LP was a major player in the presidential election before Obi.

You have shifted goal post nwoke.
In case u forgot what you said:

SocialJustice:
You are just rambling ignorantly. LP was nothing until Obi came.

If the constitution allowed independent candidates, Obi won't have to deal with political parties and the corruption in them.

Your initial point was that ''LP was nothing b4 obi" of which I cleared your doubt about the fallacy of ur statement that LP WAS INDEED IN THE LIMELIGHT BEFORE OBI CAME

Sensible nigerians know obi is nothing but a regional agenda.
If he ports to kowa party today, all of una will port along with him.

SocialJustice:
We are talking about a presidential candidate, I was referring to the presidential level.

Dey play!

richie240:

You have shifted goal post nwoke.
In case u forgot what you said:


Your initial point was that ''LP was nothing b4 obi" of which I cleared your doubt about the fallacy of ur statement that LP WAS INDEED IN THE LIMELIGHT BEFORE OBI CAME

Sensible nigerians know obi is nothing but a regional agenda.
If he ports to kowa party today, all of una will port along with him.

We are talking about a presidential candidate, I was referring to the presidential level.

Roboto11:
Very selfish man.

Underatted comment!

KennethOkonkwo:

You have not said anything new from what slaves politicians say to defend their oppressor!

Always remember that to malign person is against the law of the land. You cannot continue to malign and libel someone randomly thinking you're making comment. I pray one day your comment will catch up with you in no distance time.
In all allegations you leveled against him, if you're asked to come and substantiate same, you will be dumbfolpded, just because you saw people spreading it and you join them. Peter Obi is a different breed but not a saint but moderate politician that abhor sharp practice.

richie240:
Obviously u are not a student of history.
LP has produced a governor without d help of obi as far back as 2009.
WHERE WAS OBI IN 2009??

Oh, u thot LP just came to limelight 2 years ago shey??
Dey play!

I know you understand what the guy was trying to say but as usual, you're trying to play smart on the guy because many of them are not grounded in politics and you guys use them to catch cruise.
Mr. Man, what the guy mean is LP has not be wide spread the way it is now. Aside from Ondo state where LP won elections, which other state have they had the spread before now, if not last year that they won elections in not less than 12 states of the federation, just by the influence of one man, Peter Obi. You just don't want to own up to his influence but that cannot be taken away that he redefined LP. Even when Tinubu created AC and ACN it doesn't have such spread the way LP spread like wild fire last year.
Come to think of it. Since Mimiko left office, can you tell me any state LP won any election? Even in Ondo state did they win any after his tenure? Don't feign ignorant of what he meant.

Oshey, ndi-interpreter!

IfnobeGod20:

I know you understand what he guy was trying to say but as usual, you're trying to play smart on the guy because many of them are not grounded in politics and you guys use them to catch cruise.
Mr. Man, what the guy mean is LP has not be wide spread the way it is now. Aside from Ondo state where LP won elections, which other state have they had the spread before now, if not last year that they won elections in not less than 12 states of the federation, just by the influence of one man, Peter Obi. You just don't want to own up to his influence but that cannot be taken away that he redefined LP. Even when Tinubu created AC and ACN it doesn't have such spread the way LP spread like wild fire last year.
Come to think of it. Since Mimiko left office, can you tell me any state LP won any election? Even in Ondo state did they win any after his tenure? Don't feign ignorant of what he meant.

richie240:

You have shifted goal post nwoke.
In case u forgot what you said:


Your initial point was that ''LP was nothing b4 obi" of which I cleared your doubt about the fallacy of ur statement that LP WAS INDEED IN THE LIMELIGHT BEFORE OBI CAME

Sensible nigerians know obi is nothing but a regional agenda.
If he ports to kowa party today, all of una will port along with him.



Dey play!

Yes, Obi is a regional agenda the same way Buhari was a regional agenda, Jonathan a regional agenda and Tinubu a regional agenda. Tell me any state that each person I mentioned doesn't win convincingly in their constituency? I am waiting for you to tell me. Tinubu won very well in Ekiti, Ondo, Oyo, Ogun and slightly lost in Lagos and Osun. Jonathan won during his term overwhelming in all South South states. Same way Buhari won very well in North West, just the same way Peter Obi won heavily in South East. The only presidential candidate that doesn't win his constituency convincingly is OBJ in 1999, just because Falae was the candidate of Afenifere then. No candidate that doesn't have a regional colouration since 1999.
Meanwhile, you also need to give it to South East, this is the first time they will be rally round their own since 1999. They've been voting outsiders and neglecting their own. If they can do that for 24 years, it's never out of place for them to rally round who they believed can represent them for the first time. I support their stance and any reasonable person that can think deep will also see reasons to what they did in 2023, except the myopic and political neophytes that will think otherwise.

SocialJustice:
He needs to leave. LP is in ruins, I don't think they will be functional next election.

So if he cannot save his party and has to leave as he always does, why should anyone believe he will save Nigeria as President?

richie240:
Oshey, ndi-interpreter!

You can only catch cruise with political babies but as we see some of your cruise, we will surely come to their rescue because you cannot continue flexing muscles unrealistically.

Wainey:
Oga if you can't built a small party like LP when you are the biggest name there, how can you build a complex country like Nigeria when strong oppositions are out to frustrate your govt.
There are more than 20persons in this country that are more connected and politically bigger than Obi

Exactly!
Compare this to what Tinubu did with ACN.

Tonnyray:
Exactly!
Compare this to what Tinubu did with ACN.

Are you people comparing Tinubu ACN with LP? You people should be reasonable and place thing in perspective. What did Tinubu able to achieve independently with his ACN. ACN was principally regional party until they merged and fused with ANPP, CPC, APGA and nPDP. His AC presidential candidate in 2007 got how many votes. Paltry. Same way with the ACN presidential candidate in 2011. ACN was able to win presidential election until they merged with other parties and ACN never got up to 3m votes and you people have the latitude to compare LP presidential candidate that got over 6m votes within a space of months to a mushroom ACN with no appeal nation wide. Common, apply common sense now.

IfnobeGod20:
Are you people comparing Tinubu ACN with LP? You people should be reasonable and place thing in perspective. What did Tinubu able to achieve independently with his ACN. ACN was principally regional party until they merged and fused with ANPP, CPC, APGA and nPDP. His AC presidential candidate in 2007 got how many votes. Paltry. Same way with the ACN presidential candidate in 2011. ACN was able to win presidential election until they merged with other parties and ACN never got up to 3m votes and you people have the latitude to compare LP presidential candidate that got over 6m votes within a space of months to a mushroom ACN with no appeal nation wide. Common, apply common sense now.

Confusing issues as always.
Political stalwarts strike for long-term gains.
The idea is about building what you have, resolving intra-party issues, achieving desired mergers to consolidate strengths where you're weak. That was what made it possible to engage and defeat a formidable ruling party.
Not jumping from party to party on the flimsiest excuse.

Wainey:
Oga if you can't built a small party like LP when you are the biggest name there, how can you build a complex country like Nigeria when strong oppositions are out to frustrate your govt.
There are more than 20persons in this country that are more connected and politically bigger than Obi

Mr. Man, Peter Obi is not the owner of LP, he is just a normal member of a party and their former presidential candidate. He has no portfolio and he is not their National leader. You guys should try and read what he said and assimilate. From the news, you heard him saying Abure refused to do the normal thing he supposed to do and that was why he didn't attend the convention. Meaning he must have warned him but he didn't heed to it. Putting in mind he cannot go beyond his bound because he is not an official of LP till date but just a member. Tinubu also faced the same scenario when he was made the chairman of reconciliatory committee to harness warring parties together but he was unable to do it till everything degenerated that they have to lose some states directly and indirectly, and later affected his man, the party National Chairman. You know why, they never respected him because his post as a National Leader was just by mouth and not on APC constitution. There is a level you can go if you're not holding a post in a party, else they show you where you belong.
Party issue is not the way you people see it, it goes beyond that. It is the work of the BOT to settle dispute and if they relegated their duty, it's never anybody's fault but theirs.

Tonnyray:
Confusing issues as always.
Political stalwarts strike for long-term gains.
The idea is about building what you have, resolving intra-party issues, achieving desired mergers to consolidate strengths where you're weak. That was what made it possible to engage and defeat a formidable ruling party.
Not jumping from party to party on the flimsiest excuse.

This is the problem some of you have. You talked about what Tinubu did with ACN and I tried to punctured the lie before it gained traction. ACN could not do anything nationally until they merged with other parties. Again, why didn't Tinubu solved issue within AD instead of floating another party? Party issue that you don't have control over is very complex.
Meanwhile, when APC was having issues what did Tinubu do? Let me remind you, he was the the chairman of reconciliatory committee. You people should just keep quiet and learn , instead of grandstanding, everything is not about flexing muscles and making somebody look like demigod and infallible. Their irresolvable issues made them to lose many grounds in 2019 with their chairman axed. He could not do anything because he was not in control, same way he was not in control of AD and the feud festered till he ported.

IfnobeGod20:
This is the problem some of you have. You talked about what Tinubu did with ACN and I tried to punctured the lie before it gained traction. ACN could not do anything nationally until they merged with other parties.
Meanwhile, when APC was having issues what did Tinubu do? Let me remind you, he was the the chairman of reconciliatory committee. You people should just keep quiet and learn , instead of grandstanding.

And it's the obvious political naivety being manifest in your posts. You keep harping on Presidency this presidency that. Political strategists build first. I repeat it's all about the long-term goal. Tinubu through ACN consolidated his stronghold on the South-West first. ACN then reached out for mergers to do what it couldn't do alone. Was the ultimate goal achieved or not?
LP that scored 6m votes the first time as you claim is already rapidly disintegrating right before our eyes. Let's see how the decrepit fares in 2027.
If you never understand what long-term strategic planning entails, you will never experience long-term results. It's that straightforward.
After all PO can always take the easy route and jump on the next available party platform.

IfnobeGod20:
This is the problem some of you have....

I can see you keep editing your posts and sorry but I'll keep this engagement short. I never said someone cannot experience daunting challenges in a political party that can result to leaving the party. What you do afterwards is what tells of your strength of character or otherwise. You can't jump from APGA to PDP to LP and about to leapfrog to another party and convince a sensible person you've got a will of steel. It simply does not add up.
Another politician went on to build his own party, built bridges across divides, learnt when to speak and when not to, how to achieve necessary compromise, how to face outright betrayal and intraparty tumult and storms.. and in all these still came out on top.
No comparison here.
No argument either.
Have a beautiful Easter break bro.

Tonnyray:
And it's the obvious political naivety being manifest in your posts. You keep harping on Presidency this presidency that. Political strategists build first. I repeat it's all about the long-term goal. Tinubu through ACN consolidated his stronghold on the South-West first. ACN then reached out for mergers to do what it couldn't do alone. Was the ultimate goal achieved or not?
LP that scored 6m votes the first time as you claim is already rapidly disintegrating right before our eyes. Let's see how the decrepit fares in 2027.
If you never understand what long-term strategic planning entails, you will never experience long-term results. It's that straightforward.
After all PO can always take the easy route and jump on the next available party platform.

It is ridiculous that you're talking of political naivety but I put it to you that you're the one that is naive of the situation. Tinubu is the owner of his party ACN. Obi is not the owner of LP. You can only have control of what you have. When Tinubu could not take control of AD, he floated new party. Comparing how Tinubu was able to harnessed ACN to gain prominence at the National level to how Peter Obi can harness LP to gain prominence is a different ball game because Peter Obi don't own LP or any other party for that matter.
Well, you will understand party game when you're involve in it. Peter Obi doesn't have control of LP. It's the same problem Atiku has in PDP. It is very hard to settle issue in a complex party not own by you. That's just the difference.

Tonnyray:
I can see you keep editing your posts and sorry but I'll keep this engagement short. I never said someone cannot experience daunting challenges in a political party that can result to leaving the party. What you do afterwards is what tells of your strength of character or otherwise. You can't jump from APGA to PDP to LP and about to leapfrog to another party and convince a sensible person you've got a will of steel. It simply does not add up.
Another politician went on to build his own party, built bridges across divides, learnt when to speak and when not to, how to achieve necessary compromise, how to face outright betrayal and intraparty tumult and storms.. and in all these still came out on top.
No comparison here.
No argument either.
Have a beautiful Easter break bro.

Same to you, may the reason for the season have expression in your life and all around you.
Just remember any party not owned by you, it would be very difficult to have control over it and that is what is affecting all parties till date, including APC. APC is patching their own because they are in government. The government largesse is still keeping them together, if that is taken away, the implosion will be catastrophe.

Tonnyray:
So if he cannot save his party and has to leave as he always does, why should anyone believe he will save Nigeria as President?

You can believe what you want, I'm only sharing my view.