plappville:

No one contradict that, Scripture plainly says He is vastly superior to the angels!

truthislight:

did you read this thread from the begining?

If you have read it you will have notice what makes Jesus an only begotten son.

well, you should first come to understand that all the angel are call "sons" to the almighty God.

Job 38:7

"and all the sons of God shout in applause"
^^^
is not the question that angels are call sons of God but who is the only beggoten son.

Col. 1:16 shows that it is christ that created all things, but christ was the only person that God personally created and that makes him an only beggoten son of the father.

This made Jesus the first creature in heaven as "the first born of all creation"

^^^
this is one of the reason why Jesus was the right person to ransom the first man on earth Adam. Jesus = the last Adam.

So, Jesus is unique being the "only" entity that Yahweh personally created while Jesus created all other things, an only beggoten son.

Though the trinity will not allow you to see this truth, it nonetheless, the truth of what the bible says.

truthislight:
^^^
your opinion.

All angels are sons of God also.

But Jesus created them all.

truthislight:

so, it is the trumpet that will do the resurrection?
*sigh*

plappville:

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of
the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
In this verse actually, there are two possible meanings to the text: 1) it seem to us that it is the archangel that is shouting and not Jesus.
(2) the archangel could be shoutin for Jesus or (2) Jesus could be doing the shouting Himself and using the voice of an archangel because He is the Archangel.

Now lets see what Christ said when He was on Earth in John 5:25-29. I will take only verse 25.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall
hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Honestly, if we compare the two scripture texts above, we see a tight case for supporting seeing Michael as Jesus.

We ve seen that ther were two possible meanings to: "the Lord Himself shall come down from Heaven with a commanding shout of an archangel's voice" 1 Thessalonians 4:16. They are: meaning (1) stated above or meaning (2) But for you which one is?

Lets look at John 5:25,28: "the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God". Equally saying (they will hear Jesus shouting abi?)
In 1 Thessalonians, its the archangel's voice, but in John (5), it is the voice of the Son of God!
One cannot be wrong and the other right. The bible does not contradict itself.

Also, both Thesalonians and John we see that the voice causes the "resurrection of life".
The dead in Christ will rise whn they hear His voice!
This is the same event it points that Jesus and Michae must be the same person. Isn't this plain enough?

Na bible talk am not anyone. It does not contradict itself.

BECAUSE THE NAME MICHAEL MEANS“WHO IS LIKE GOD?” AND THE NAME JESUS MEANS “JEHOVAH IS SALVATION” MUST THEY BE THE SAME PERSON?
The argument that Jesus was previously the archangel Michael because of similarity of the meanings of their names is a false argument because these meanings are not all that close. In the Scriptures, there are 10 humans named Michael as well as Saul’s daughter Michal whose name also means “Who is Like God.” Yet, having this name hardly means that they were all pre-human Jesus.’ Furthermore, there were another three Jesus’ in the Bible record as well as Joshua, Jehoshua and Jeshaiah all of which names have the same meaning of “Jehovah is salvation;” yet again none of these was Michael in a pre-human existence.

Certainly there are many other names in the Scriptures of different individuals who have names similar in meaning to that of Jesus and equally glorify God e.g. Jeremiah = “Jehovah Exalts,” Jehoram = Jehovah is Exalted,” and Jehu = “Jehovah is He.” Similarly for Michael e.g. Micaiah = “Who is Like Jehovah?” So the idea that only Michael takes the lead in upholding God’s sovereignty and therefore he must be Jesus who does the same is made completely null and void by these facts.

DERELICTION OF DUTY WHEN JESUS FAILS IN “STANDING IN BEHALF” OF GOD’S PEOPLE
“Michael…the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people” (Dan. 12:1). The Hebrew Interlinear translates as “the one protecting over…” NASB gives “who stands guard over…” So if Michael left his post to become Jesus for about 33 years he would have been guilty of dereliction of duty. Nowhere in the Scriptures is it stated that someone else was assigned to protect Israel during this period, something that Jesus certainly wasn’t doing.

“WITH A COMMANDING CALL AND THE VOICE OF AN ARCHANGEL” DOES NOT MEAN JESUS IS AN ARCHANGEL
First Thessalonians 4:16 most likely is giving a metaphorical description of the power of Jesus’ voice when he returns e.g. like the roar of a lion. Three point phrases were commonly used in Hebrew for emphasis and intensification. So the phrase “with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet” works the same way. This would then indicate that Jesus will come with great power and authority as is stated in other Scriptures (Matt 24:30, 31). Or, possibly, the commanding call, trumpet and voice are literally the voice of an accompanying archangel, indicated by the fact that “the Lord descends with...” In either
case Michael is not mentioned. Furthermore, 1 Thess. 4:13-18 is about a sequence of events rather than about the nature of Jesus.

The IVP Bible Background Commentary states that:
Michael, the chief archangel of Jewish literature, was considered Israel’s guardian angel and thus figures in Jewish texts about the final battle; here Jesus seems to assume Michael’s role on behalf of believers, God’s people p. 593.

However, Jesus cannot possibly actually be Michael for the reasons stated in Hebrews 1 and the further reasons given below.

Read rest of article [url=http://www.christianmonotheism.com/media/text/1-12.%20JESUS%20NOT%20MICHAEL.pdf]HERE[/url]

Daniel 10:13 NLT (2007)

13 But for twenty-one days the spirit prince* of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael,

one of the archangels

came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia.*

sunkoye: Fact- Jesus Is God. Gaskia

sunkoye: Fact- Jesus Is God. Gaskia

Jesus is neither GOD nor an angel.

He is quite simply the SON of GOD , the Messiah and the Christ.


I will not allow you spread error.

Todaynatoday: Five pages (and counting) and we still don't know if Michael the Archangel is really Jesus. Can you guys just reach a consensus.

truthislight:

did you read this thread from the begining?

If you have read it you will have notice what makes Jesus an only begotten son.

well, you should first come to understand that all the angel are call "sons" to the almighty God.

Job 38:7

"and all the sons of God shout in applause"
^^^
is not the question that angels are call sons of God but who is the only beggoten son.

Col. 1:16 shows that it is christ that created all things, but christ was the only person that God personally created and that makes him an only beggoten son of the father

This made Jesus the first creature in heaven as "the first born of all creation"

^^^
this is one of the reason why Jesus was the right person to ransom the first man on earth Adam. Jesus = the last Adam.

So, Jesus is unique being the "only" entity that Yahweh personally created while Jesus created all other things, an only beggoten son.

Though the trinity will not allow you to see this truth, it nonetheless, the truth of what the bible says.

chukwudi44: . 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said,
[/b]“The Lord rebuke you!”
[b][a] 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational

animals do—will destroy them.

Obviously even the arch angel micheal acknowleged he was not the Lord yet people are here yarning thrash.

pastormustwacc: ^^^some of them say that Jesus is not God. That he is not even the second person in the trinity. Whew, those trinity threads were tug of wars.

plappville:

I never argue that there are not What we are talking about is The chief Captain Archangel that usually protects the people of Israel.
The same one that came to met Joshau and recieved Joshua's worship.

[/quote]
@chukwudi44,
it amased me the way you breeze through facts presented by forumites and still come back to square one, from all the point presented to you with the occurence of joshua's encounter with 'the commander of Gods army' you keep denying the commander as not an angel, remember the same way the angels that abram entertained were of the same appearance,they appeared phisically for a purpose, its needless to go further with you on that brother, what surprised me was that 'you singularly pick the area that joshua fell to worship the angel' and to also justify mary worship by catholics, but fail to aknowledge other glarring facts before you because you are only bent on defending catholics,thats purely immature, anyway you have the right to your own opinion, but others too should be aware about saving their time and resourses arguing with you[quote]

BARRISTERS: @Boomark, you do have a good point in hebrew 1;5, however we still need to debate that and reconcile with other stronger proofs, i think logically you are are very consistent.

in Daniel 10:13, why is your own bible using princes and not archangels, can you give your own comment?

ijawkid:

Did you participate in those 3nity threads??.....they were indeed WAR.....

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