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Kobojunkie:
My doubt? The problem here is instead in your doubt of what Jesus Christ Himself decreed to His Followers. in that same Matthew 7 vs 6, Jesus Christ is famous for warning His followers against giving that which is Holy to the dogs -- non-israelites ---, specifying that dogs trample that which is Holy. Your religions were all of them established by these very people whom Jesus Christ warned His followers against, so clearly,you don't regard Jesus Christ let alone know Him because if you did, you wouldn't think to circumvent Him by claiming you had something to do with Adam.

If holy thing is not to be giving to the dogs, why did he come to the earth? Did he come for the salvation of the house of Israel alone and not "the dogs" you mentioned? For Simeon says in Luke 2: 32 thus:

A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

And later, the apostles of Jesus evangelized to the uncircumcised, the gentiles who later took the rein of leadership in the Church when the former fell asleep. Through them and refined Church doctrines was the gospel brought to us ward.

With that being said, the fate of the Church rests solely on the Church leaders regardless who they were for they had been purchased by Jesus blood. Even if some of them made mistakes in doctrines by subverting the truth unknowingly, other enlightened Church leaders were there to set things in order. Peter and Paul's case is an example in Galatians 2. Acts 15 also highlights this.

How would you tell I regard not Jesus or his person? I know him, he knows me. His spirit indwells me.

You set a trap for yourself for you cannot justify you are not of the seed of Adam! Neither can you justify I am not of his seed nor the race of man on earth.

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Acts 17 : 26

Captain4Jehovah:
✓ If holy thing is not to be giving to the dogs, why did he come to the earth? Did he come for the salvation of the house of Israel alone and not "the dogs" you mentioned?
✓ For Simeon says in Luke 2: 32 thus: A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
✓ And later, the apostles of Jesus evangelized to the uncircumcised, the gentiles who later took the rein of leadership in the Church when the former fell asleep. Through them and refined Church doctrines was the gospel brought to us ward.
✓ With that being said, the fate of the Church rests solely on the Church leaders regardless who they were for they had been purchased by Jesus blood. Even if some of them made mistakes in doctrines by subverting the truth unknowingly, other enlightened Church leaders were there to set things in order. Peter and Paul's case is an example in Galatians 2. Acts 15 also highlights this.
✓ How would you tell I regard not Jesus or his person? I know him, he knows me. His spirit indwells me.
✓ You set a trap for yourself for you cannot justify you are not of the seed of Adam! Neither can you justify I am not of his seed nor the race of man on earth.
✓ And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Acts 17 : 26

1. There is no if to any of this as This is what Jesus Christ Himself said. Dogs-- Non-israelites -- are not a part of the plan He was sent to bring.

2. The dogs are not the Gentiles since the Gentiles written of in Scripture are in fact Israelites, particularly the non-Jewish tribes of Israel. And if you look up the etymology of the word, you would see that the word what in fact used in reference to people of the same family until religion tried to change its meaning to something completely different.

3. They were all Israelites who had pretty much abandoned the old faith while growing up in foreign lands too.

4. Your Churches have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ who made it abundantly clear that the dogs will trample that which is Holy...that which should not be given to them. And that which is unholy is antichrist in its origin and orientation

5. Jesus Christ said He does only the Will of His Father. He said His Father sent Him only to the seed of Israel. Your claim that you, a supposed non-seed of Israel, know Jesus Christ is therefore a lie. And it also means that you disregard the very proclamations of Jesus Christ in your belief.

6. Jesus Christ said His Father sent Him only to the seed of Jacob, not the seed of Adam. So, you invoking Adam against Jesus Christ amounts to blatant disregard for His own Truth in order that you may continue to assert your private delusions in its place.

Kobojunkie:
1. There is no if to any of this as This is what Jesus Christ Himself said. Dogs-- Non-israelites -- are not a part of the plan He was sent to bring.

2. The dogs are not the Gentiles since the Gentiles written of in Scripture are in fact Israelites, particularly the non-Jewish tribes of Israel. And if you look up the etymology of the word, you would see that the word what in fact used in reference to people of the same family until religion tried to change its meaning to something completely different.

3. They were all Israelites who had pretty much abandoned the old faith while growing up in foreign lands too.

4. Your Churches have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ who made it abundantly clear that the dogs will trample that which is Holy...that which should not be given to them. And that which is unholy is antichrist in its origin and orientation

5. Jesus Christ said He does only the Will of His Father. He said His Father sent Him only to the seed of Israel. Your claim that you, a supposed non-seed of Israel, know Jesus Christ is therefore a lie. And it also means that you disregard the very proclamations of Jesus Christ in your belief.

6. Jesus Christ said His Father sent Him only to the seed of Jacob, not the seed of Adam. So, you invoking Adam against Jesus Christ amounts to blatant disregard for His own Truth in order that you may continue to assert your private delusions in its place.

1. In answer to your first argument, let me use "assuming" then! Again, did Jesus die for the Israelites alone?

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17 : 20

2. You contradicted yourself in both first and second point: (1) dogs=non-israelites (2) dogs are not the gentiles. Then, who are dogs and gentiles in general? Are they not both referring to the unbelievers, those who are not Israelites?

3. When were they growing in foreign land? Who did you refer to, the Jews or the gentiles?

4. If may ask, what is your sect or religion? Where do you belong? You mean all Churches are dogs now?

5. Even some of the Israelites are bastards for not believing God sent Jesus to them.
[1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

[2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

[3] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Romans 10 : 1-3, 10, 12

6. Jacob came from Adam.
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Acts 17 : 26

Blessed are those who do not see but believe.

Captain4Jehovah:
1. In answer to your first argument, let me use "assuming" then! Again, did Jesus die for the Israelites alone?....
2. You contradicted yourself in both first and second point: (1) dogs=non-israelites (2) dogs are not the gentiles. Then, who are dogs and gentiles in general? Are they not both referring to the unbelievers, those who are not Israelites?
3. When were they growing in foreign land? Who did you refer to, the Jews or the gentiles?
4. If may ask, what is your sect or religion? Where do you belong? You mean all Churches are dogs now?
5. Even some of the Israelites are bastards for not believing God sent Jesus to them.

[1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
[2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
[3] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Romans 10 : 1-3, 10, 12

6. Jacob came from Adam.
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Acts 17 : 26
Blessed are those who do not see but believe.

1. Jesus Christ said He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. He explained that it is to the Israelites that He would be raised as a bronze snake to offer eternal life. The man died for Israel alone by His admission. So, why do you not believe Him?

2. Do you know the meaning of the word contradiction, to begin with? Try to reason slowly if you are having a hard time with this...

► Dogs are non-Israelites
► Gentiles are not Jews
► Dogs are not Gentiles
The logical conclusion would be something like this: Therefore, the more reasonable conclusion from the above would be that Gentiles are Israelites but not of the Jewish subset of Israel.

3. After the death of Solomon, the original state of Israel was divided into two Nations — Israel(northernmost country) and Judah(southern nation). Those whom you refer to as Jews are those Israelites who occupied the nation of Judah and were primarily of the tribes of Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. The rest of Israel occupied the northern nation of Israel. Around 720 BC, however, using the Assyrian Army, God destroyed and scattered the Northern nation of Israel rendering the land desolate afterward. The people were scattered all over the world after that. They and their children were regarded as the gentiles in the Israelite relationship. Their children grew up in foreign lands, some worshipped foreign gods, and many of them were never circumcized either— probably did not know they had to be. 720 BC is approximately 800 years before Jesus Christ.

4. I don't belong to any religion or sect or any of all that.

5. I am not certain what you think of what Paul opined there but Jesus Christ did not come to shove himself at the people but to fulfill God's promise to His people.

6. Jacob came from Abraham yet Jesus Christ did not say He was sent to the descendants of Abraham, did He? NO! He clearly said that He came ONLY for the Lost sheep of the one God Himself named Israel and he is Jacob. So, invoking Adam or even Abraham AGAINST Jesus Christ is akin to disagreeing with and disregarding Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ instead said that only those who are born of the bloodline of Jacob from their mother's womb can be a part of that which He offers.

Evidence please, considering, "For God so loved the world", which isn't necessarily all from the bloodline of Jacob.

budaatum:
■ Evidence please, considering, "For God so loved the world", which isn't necessarily all from the bloodline of Jacob.

In the very Scripture-established context of that passage where you lifted that statement there out of context from, John 3 vs 14 - 18, Jesus Christ Himself told you so. He even went on to warn His followers against giving that which is holy — the promise of God via David — to the dogs — the non-Israelites.

btoks:
■ The church didn't fall in the 7th century and would never fall as Jesus himself said the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
■ Regarding church councils, this is how church has always functioned even from the early days(e.g Act 15) . It's always been required to settle disputes and clarify/come to a consensus on church teachings. Ironically, the canon of the bible was also confirmed via church councils.
■ The arguments about the person of Christ has always been fundamental to the Christian faith, therefore when certain heretics (Arianism) taught a different teaching to what was orthodox,this had to be brought up at the council of Nicaea.
■ The teaching about Mary as (Theotokus) Mother of God is all to do with Jesus. It is to confirm that Jesus is both God and Man and there was never a separation while Jesus was on earth ( against the Nestorian schism). Basically, who was the Jesus that Mary gave birth to and what did that make her.
■ These issues and many others were not clear from reading scriptures alone and thus had to be decided by the church. It's no use stating that it's not profitable as this is how the faith as been defined. It is very convenient to take things for granted many centuries after the event. There will be new issues and the church will reconvene to address these. Shikena

The gates of Hell as described by Jesus Christ is a reference to that which is antiChrist, and if you read the gospel well, that which is against Jesus Christ includes the attempt by those who are non-Israelites aka dogs to handle that which is Holy. Your churches are manned by those who are non-Israelites, the very same people Jesus Christ declared were not of Him so there is therefore no way they can be of Him or that which He stands for.

2. Your church councils have no connection to that which the Disciples did in Acts 15. For one, the Disciples invoked the Constitutional Law of the land in which they lived at the time — the Nation of Judah—and the dispute arose. (The Law of Moses was the Supreme Law in the Land of Judah by which the Jews of the Land lived at that time.) Your churchian councils do absolutely nothing of the kind during their council meetings. If anything, they are more prone to advising against commonsense than they are to demand the law of the land be upheld.

3. As Jesus Christ Himself said, handing that which is holy to the non-Israelites would only amount to it being trampled. Your arguments regarding the person/personhood of Christ serve as proof of this.

4. Jesus Christ Himself said His mother was nothing special... He made this known to His followers when He proclaimed when His mother came looking for him, saying, "My mother, brother, and sister are those who do the will of God," -Mark 3:31–35; Matthew 12:46–50; Luke 8:19–21 . It did not matter that Mary was his biological mother at all, those who instead matter are those who do the Will of His Father.

Kobojunkie:
In the very Scripture-established context of that passage where you lifted that statement there out of context from, John 3 vs 14 - 18, Jesus Christ Himself told you so. He even went on to warn His followers against giving that which is holy — the promise of God via David — to the dogs — the non-Israelites.

You are going to have to teach me how to read because there's no way I'd read the below and claim Jesus only came for those who are Israelites when it clearly states "everyone who believes in him", and "in order that the world might be saved through him".

I'd in fact go further and claim to understand that even Israelites who do not believe in him would not be saved.

14 And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. 16“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. 17 “Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 3:14–18

budaatum:
■ You are going to have to teach me how to read because there's no way I'd read the below and claim Jesus only came for those who are Israelites when it clearly states "everyone who believes in him", and "in order that the world might be saved through him".
I'd in fact go further and claim to understand that even Israelites who do not believe in him would not be saved.
14 And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. 16“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. 17 “Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 3:14–18

The clue you are looking for is found in verse 14 and verse 15. To whom did Moses raid the bronze snake in the desert? There were foreigners among the Israelites in the desert, however, only those of them who were descendants of Jacob were counted. When God cursed the people after they sinned against Him, it was the children of Israel that were cursed by Him— condemned to die—, and it was also to the children of Israel that God asked Moses to raise a bronze snake as a sign of redemption. Jesus Christ is like the bronze Snake which was raised by Moses in the Wilderness, therefore, it follows that He too is raised, as He said, ONLY to the Lost Sheep of Israel — the condemned of Israel— to grant them Life.

Kobojunkie:
The clue you are looking for is found in verse 14 and verse 15. To whom did Moses raid the bronze snake in the desert? There were foreigners among the Israelites in the desert, however, only those of them who were descendants of Jacob were counted. When God cursed the people after they sinned against Him, it was the children of Israel that were cursed by Him— condemned to die—, and it was also to the children of Israel that God asked Moses to raise a bronze snake as a sign of redemption. Jesus Christ is like the bronze Snake which was raised by Moses in the Wilderness, therefore, it follows that He too is raised, as He said, ONLY to the Lost Sheep of Israel — the condemned of Israel— to grant them Life.

The text says, "just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life".

The "whoever" clearly points to anyone, and not just Israelites.

If I say, I will slap you just as I slapped someone else, you will not claim I will only slap that someone else, or would you?

budaatum:
■ The text says, "just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life". The "whoever" clearly points to anyone, and not just Israelites. If I say, I will slap you just as I slapped someone else, you will not claim I will only slap that someone else, or would you?

Well, here's the thing, if you wish to believe Jesus Christ flippantly made that connection between himself and Moses' lifting of the snake to the people in the desert then clearly you do not regard him who also said He was ONLY sent by His Father to the Lost sheep of Israel aka Jacob. The World Jesus Christ was raised to give Eternal Life to... similar to the world the bronze snake was raised to give life to in the desert... is the World comprised of the bloodline of Jacob. That is according to Jesus Christ Himself.

There is a reason why a bronze snake — not a live or bronze pigeon or a falcon or a bear — was raised in the wilderness by Moses to the Israelites who grumbled against their God and there is a reason why Jesus Christ likened Himself to that particular bronze snake... not a lamb, a pigeon or anything else.

Kobojunkie:
Well, here's the thing, if you wish to believe Jesus Christ flippantly made that connection between himself and Moses' lifting of the snake to the people in the desert then clearly you do not regard him who also said He was ONLY sent by His Father to the Lost sheep of Israel aka Jacob. The World Jesus Christ was raised to give Eternal Life to... similar to the world the bronze snake was raised to give life to in the desert... is the World comprised of the bloodline of Jacob. That is according to Jesus Christ Himself.

There is a reason why a bronze snake — not a live or bronze pigeon or a falcon or a bear — was raised in the wilderness by Moses to the Israelites who grumbled against their God and there is a reason why Jesus Christ likened Himself to that particular bronze snake... not a lamb, a pigeon or anything else.

This has nothing to do with belief, but everything to do with the compression of the English language.

If you tell you'd slap me just like you slapped someone else, I'd be stupid to think you were saying you'd slap someone else and not me.

budaatum:
This has nothing to do with belief, but everything to do with the compression of the English language. .

Comprehension, you say! Yet somehow you ignore the fact that He stressed His raising would be Just as that which took place in the desert with Moses raising the bronze snake, and this for those who comprehend the English Language indicates that similarities are to be drawn between both cases. I guess comprehension really means nothing to you after all.

Anyways, this isn't for you but rather for those who regard the person of Jesus Christ and take Him at His Word.

Kobojunkie:
Comprehension, you say! Yet somehow you ignore the fact that He stressed His raising would be Just as that which took place in the desert with Moses raising the bronze snake, and this for those who comprehend the English Language indicates that similarities are to be drawn between both cases. I guess comprehension really means nothing to you after all.

Anyways, this isn't for you but rather for those who regard the person of Jesus Christ and take Him at His Word.

First, this is for anyone who cares to read this thread and comment, and claiming "this isn't for you", is the same as you being told you are not a Christian so your opinion does not matter, but that does not stop you commenting on things Christian.

You've posted a definition of 'just as', and I repeat, if you say you would slap me just as you've slapped someone else, I'd be stupid to think you mean you'd slap someone else just as you've already slapped someone else.

My understanding of the text you refer to is Jesus will save the world just as Moses saved the Israelites from the Egyptians. Even in his ministry, he never turned non-Israelites away, so it would be remiss of me to think he only came to the Israelites.

Besides, the issue of whether Christ came to save both Jews and Gentiles, which was everyone else, was already resolved in the early days of Christianity.

When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.” Acts 11:1-18

Muurian:
Christians (catholics) all over the world follow the same teachings, traditions and dogmas for two thousand years now.

Clear proof of brainwashing just like jws.

Muurian:
Of course the same thing can't be said about pentecostals with their fragmented belief systems. Everyone thinks they can interpret the Bible (A book catholics/christians compiled for themselves) as they seem fit while pretending that God "revealed" it to them just to decieve the gullible.

In clear proof of the freedom which God gives in Christinity as evident in Paul's own interpretation of the bible. Of which he even disputed and argued with the disciples which is even one of the most natural and mportant thing iin Christianity as God did invite everyone to "lets reason together".

But because you people are Satanist and slavers who need to brainwash people and turn them to robots into following them to hellfire, you can not allow people to their own thinking lest they see that you people are Liars and Satanist.

Like atheists, you people do not allow people to think for themselves. but believe in forcing them to follow you without resistance. Clear proof you Catholics are Satanists like atheists

Muurian:
You can't meander your way out of facts bro.

Says the one who cannot answer the clear fact stated in the bible that Christ's disciples and followers were called Christians in His time for He Lived for a short while.

Kobojunkie:
Problem with these associations you attempt to make though. Ignatius, according to records, was a Non-Israelite, aka a dog, and according to Jesus Christ's own Gospel, those who were not sheep i.e. the dogs were excluded from partaking in the Gospel as they were disclosed as lacking the capability of handling that which is holy altogether by Jesus Christ Himself. Ignatius's claim that he was somehow linked to the Apostles of Jesus Christ, all of them sheep instead, is of fraud. Yes, Ignatius and all the other catholic church fathers whose links are traced back to Rome and not to Jacob, were all fraudsters. Ignatius, Irenaeus, Tertullian, all of them Romans — with no link to the blood of Jacob aka dogs— were fraudsters who saw an opportunity to hijack a movement for their political greed.

Ur moniker says it all

btoks:
There was obviously evangelisation along with the councils ( not every bishop, priest or layman attended the councils). The fact is even in the time of the Apostles there was infighting and dissention among people about the subject of circumcision of Gentiles - This led to the council of Jerusalem where a decision had to be made. This effectively carried on although there was a lull in the 1st 3 centuries due to the persecution of Christians. Church t
to get its own house in order before worrying about external attacks. I really don't know how you think the Church would have been better off not holding councils!

They didn't really EVANGELIZE; the Bishops WERE ACTUALLY PROPAGATING their dogmas and doctrines as seen in the case of Aurius even when he was finally excommunicated by the council of Nicaea. He kept teaching his view about Jesus' person in exile. Eusebius who happened to be on the side of Arius, a defender (Arius was not in attendance), was neither pro-arius nor anti-arius throughout the council's meetings. This may be due to the fear of excommunicating him. He continued to teach Arius doctrine after Arius was exiled.

To evangelize is to present and herald the salvation obtainable in Jesus Christ and the coming God's kingdom. There was no trace of public evangelism. The persecution experienced was when Licinium ruled in the eastern empire(there were two empires of Rome then_Constantine ruled in the west). The council happened after Constantine later conquered him;it was evident in the meetings for all dignified Bishops and presbyters from Arabia, Ethopia, Europe, Libya, Palestine, Persia, Mesopotamia, Spain,Macedonia and Thrace and Rome graced the conference.

Lastly, I support dealings of the Church councils of elders on the heretics and disobedient. This was evident in Paul's letters to the churches and it is paramount in our local churches today.

It's wrong to say protestants aren't Christians
Anyone who believes that at a certain point in time Jesus Christ - who's God, became Man, was born of the Virgin Man , suffered and died for the sins of all of creation, resurrected and ascended to heaven and will come again ; should be called a christian

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ said He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. He explained that it is to the Israelites that He would be raised as a bronze snake to offer eternal life. The man died for Israel alone by His admission. So, why do you not believe Him?

2. Do you know the meaning of the word contradiction, to begin with? Try to reason slowly if you are having a hard time with this...

► Dogs are non-Israelites
► Gentiles are not Jews
► Dogs are not Gentiles
The logical conclusion would be something like this: Therefore, the more reasonable conclusion from the above would be that Gentiles are Israelites but not of the Jewish subset of Israel.

3. After the death of Solomon, the original state of Israel was divided into two Nations — Israel(northernmost country) and Judah(southern nation). Those whom you refer to as Jews are those Israelites who occupied the nation of Judah and were primarily of the tribes of Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. The rest of Israel occupied the northern nation of Israel. Around 720 BC, however, using the Assyrian Army, God destroyed and scattered the Northern nation of Israel rendering the land desolate afterward. The people were scattered all over the world after that. They and their children were regarded as the gentiles in the Israelite relationship. Their children grew up in foreign lands, some worshipped foreign gods, and many of them were never circumcized either— probably did not know they had to be. 720 BC is approximately 800 years before Jesus Christ.

4. I don't belong to any religion or sect or any of all that.

5. I am not certain what you think of what Paul opined there but Jesus Christ did not come to shove himself at the people but to fulfill God's promise to His people.

6. Jacob came from Abraham yet Jesus Christ did not say He was sent to the descendants of Abraham, did He? NO! He clearly said that He came ONLY for the Lost sheep of the one God Himself named Israel and he is Jacob. So, invoking Adam or even Abraham AGAINST Jesus Christ is akin to disagreeing with and disregarding Jesus Christ.

1. I am objective to your answer! Although there is no doubt he did come for the house of Israel, he himself said it:

But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 10 : 6

Why did he say so? Israel, in the ETERNAL'S plan, is the first born of all nations. She represents the spokes person of God, she is the gun through which the plan would be actualized just like Nigeria and South Africa these days. Therefore, she must be saved first and equipped with all necessary to propagate the gospel. So, his admission in terms of eternal salvation is not restricted to the house of Israel for he says himself in John 3:16 thus:

For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

"The world" is literally the race of man, sinful man who cannot save himself from both sin's and Satan's hold. Paul also, in one of his letters writes that "for ALL HAVE SINNED..." Is there anyone exempted? No! You are also there!

2. The last caption of your thought in line with "dogs" and gentiles entraps you. Check the picture yourself! Israelites refer to all who are not Israelites as gentiles, your nation inclusive. Consider the Syro-Phoenician woman who came to Jesus to come over to heal her daughter.

[25] For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:

[26] The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.

[27] But Jesus said unto her, LET THE CHILDREN FIRST BE FILLED: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

[28] And she answered and said unto him, YES, Lord: YET THE DOGS UNDER THE TABLE EAT OF THE CHILDREN'S CRUMBLE

[29] And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
Mark 7 : 25-29


3. The division of the state of Israel didn't happen during Solomon's time, it was during his son Rehoboam for being stupid. Ten parts of the kingdom was given to Jeroboam and the two parts fell into Rehoboam's hand. The former was called Israel while the later, Judah.
God warned Israel through His prophets for decades until it was sacked by Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar with few remnants in Israel. The other kingdom, Judah also sinned and was soon sacked by Assyria in which the Jews were scattered throughout the rule of Assyria. God's warnings came through Jeremiah but neglected it.
Friend, being captured and transported to another country does not mean that ones genes would change. Not with Israel as a whole! An example is the presence of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshack, and Abednego in Babylon_they remained loyal to the cult of YHWH. Another is Esther in spite she was a queen. Mordecai and rest of the Jews who lived in the province of Persia and Media.

4. I pray you find Jesus! This is my heavenwards prayer!

5 . It was the same Jesus who directed him to preach him to the gentiles.

And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.
Acts 9 : 29

6. Confusion upon confusion! Jacob was the grandson of Abraham. Out of Jacob came the twelve tribes of Israel. He himself was later called Israel for wrestling with an angel. So from who did the nation of Israel emanate? Was it not from Abraham? They were first ever called the HEBREW which means to crossover having crossed from the other side of the flood. I mean to say, Mesopotamia. Judah is one of the twelve tribes. From the lineage came Jesus who was a Jew(the word Jew is from the word Judah). In what way now can we say he wasn't sent to the Abraham descendants?

As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
Luke 1 : 55

Captain4Jehovah:
1. I am objective to your answer! Although there is no doubt he did come for the house of Israel, he himself said it:
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10 : 6[b][/b]
Why did he say so? Israel, in the ETERNAL'S plan, is the first born of all nations. She represents the spokes person of God, she is the gun through which the plan would be actualized just like Nigeria and South Africa these days. Therefore, she must be saved first and equipped with all necessary to propagate the gospel. So, his admission in terms of eternal salvation is not restricted to the house of Israel for he says himself in John 3:16 thus:
For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
"The world" is literally the race of man, sinful man who cannot save himself from both sin's and Satan's hold. Paul also, in one of his letters writes that "for ALL HAVE SINNED..." Is there anyone exempted? No! You are also there!
2. The last caption of your thought in line with "dogs" and gentiles entraps you. Check the picture yourself! Israelites refer to all who are not Israelites as gentiles, your nation inclusive. Consider the Syro-Phoenician woman who came to Jesus to come over to heal her daughter.
[25] For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
[26] The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
[27] But Jesus said unto her, LET THE CHILDREN FIRST BE FILLED: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
[28] And she answered and said unto him, YES, Lord: YET THE DOGS UNDER THE TABLE EAT OF THE CHILDREN'S CRUMBLE
[29] And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
Mark 7 : 25-29
3. The division of the state of Israel didn't happen during Solomon's time, it was during his son Rehoboam for being stupid. Ten parts of the kingdom was given to Jeroboam and the two parts fell into Rehoboam's hand. The former was called Israel while the later, Judah.
God warned Israel through His prophets for decades until it was sacked by Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar with few remnants in Israel. The other kingdom, Judah also sinned and was soon sacked by Assyria in which the Jews were scattered throughout the rule of Assyria. God's warnings came through Jeremiah but neglected it.
Friend, being captured and transported to another country does not mean that ones genes would change. Not with Israel as a whole! An example is the presence of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshack, and Abednego in Babylon_they remained loyal to the cult of YHWH. Another is Esther in spite she was a queen. Mordecai and rest of the Jews who lived in the province of Persia and Media.
4. I pray you find Jesus! This is my heavenwards prayer!
5 . It was the same Jesus who directed him to preach him to the gentiles.
And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.
Acts 9 : 29
6. Confusion upon confusion! Jacob was the grandson of Abraham. Out of Jacob came the twelve tribes of Israel. He himself was later called Israel for wrestling with an angel. So from who did the nation of Israel emanate? Was it not from Abraham? They were first ever called the HEBREW which means to crossover having crossed from the other side of the flood. I mean to say, Mesopotamia. Judah is one of the twelve tribes. From the lineage came Jesus who was a Jew(the word Jew is from the word Judah). In what way now can we say he wasn't sent to the Abraham descendants?
As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever. Luke 1 : 55

1. How can you consider yourself to be objective in your response though which is based, not on facts but on religious delusions — lies/mumbo-jumbo/bullsheet — that have no bearing on any of what the subject of the discussion, Jesus Christ Himself said?

According to Jesus Christ Himself, He sent His followers only to the Lost Sheep of Israel because He did only the Will of His Father who sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. 🤔

2.
► Open your eyes when reviewing the content of the image this time around. Nowhere is it stated that the Israelites regard people of all other nations as gentiles. That claim is false and not backed up by the etymology of Gentiles.
► In the particular context you lifted the verses you quoted from, Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear that the mercy of God through David was reserved ONLY for the Lost sheep of Israel. And He agreed with the foreign woman that the dogs — non-Israelites — could have the crumbs that fall from the master's table. The Syrophenician woman was not regarded as a gentile but referred to as a dog, even by her own self — a non-Israelite. So?

3. Again, go back through what I wrote in my previous response and read it carefully because your response comes off as rather silly.

The Israelites of the Northern nation of Israel were scattered across the ends of the earth as the God of Israel said would be the case with them. Their lot did not end as that of the Judean captives who were matched off by Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar and taken en masse to Babylon. Neither did their lot end like that of the Judeas who escaped to Egypt only to be massacred.

4. You can never find Jesus Christ if you are not of the Blood of Jacob. That is what Jesus Christ Himself said. But I see you don't agree or regard him and that is why you continue to assert that which is counter to His very own Words.

5. A Greek-born Israelite can be regarded as a Grecian like Timothy was. A Nigerian-born Israelite can be regarded as a Nigerian like some who are Nigerians today are.

6. Religious and its many twists and turns. You disregard Jesus Christ's particular statement that He was sent by His Father — YHWH— only to the Lost sheep of Israel, equally disregarding YHWH's declaration that Israel is His only inheritance in the Land of men so that you can instead assert the idea of your religious masters over them both? You continue to prove my point that it is not YHWH of Israel and Jesus Christ of Israel that you believe in and worship! Your god is your religion an its many religious scammers-in-the-lords whose rhetorics you spew! 😂😂😂😂😂

Thank Goodness, I left Christianity....

What a religion of paradoxes..

3 deities devotees mislead by the same ghost confusing them with conflicting,contradictory doctrines.

Why is the same ghost deity invented at Nicene giving this people conflicting doctrines?

Kobojunkie:
1. How can you consider yourself to be objective in your response though which is based, not on facts but on religious delusions — lies/mumbo-jumbo/bullsheet — that have no bearing on any of what the subject of the discussion, Jesus Christ Himself said?

According to Jesus Christ Himself, He sent His followers only to the Lost Sheep of Israel because He did only the Will of His Father who sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. 🤔

2.
► Open your eyes when reviewing the content of the image this time around. Nowhere is it stated that the Israelites regard people of all other nations as gentiles. That claim is false and not backed up by the etymology of Gentiles.
► In the particular context you lifted the verses you quoted from, Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear that the mercy of God through David was reserved ONLY for the Lost sheep of Israel. And He agreed with the foreign woman that the dogs — non-Israelites — could have the crumbs that fall from the master's table. The Syrophenician woman was not regarded as a gentile but referred to as a dog, even by her own self — a non-Israelite. So?

3. Again, go back through what I wrote in my previous response and read it carefully because your response comes off as rather silly.

The Israelites of the Northern nation of Israel were scattered across the ends of the earth as the God of Israel said would be the case with them. Their lot did not end as that of the Judean captives who were matched off by Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar and taken en masse to Babylon. Neither did their lot end like that of the Judeas who escaped to Egypt only to be massacred.

4. You can never find Jesus Christ if you are not of the Blood of Jacob. That is what Jesus Christ Himself said. But I see you don't agree or regard him and that is why you continue to assert that which is counter to His very own Words.

5. A Greek-born Israelite can be regarded as a Grecian like Timothy was. A Nigerian-born Israelite can be regarded as a Nigerian like some who are Nigerians today are.

6. Religious and its many twists and turns. You disregard Jesus Christ's particular statement that He was sent by His Father — YHWH— only to the Lost sheep of Israel, equally disregarding YHWH's declaration that Israel is His only inheritance in the Land of men so that you can instead assert the idea of your religious masters over them both? You continue to prove my point that it is not YHWH of Israel and Jesus Christ of Israel that you believe in and worship! Your god is your religion an its many religious scammers-in-the-lords whose rhetorics you spew! 😂😂😂😂😂

1. Your counter response matches the first statement of the argument of mine. Therefore, you yourself concurred on the fact that Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel first and then to the whole world..... John 3:16.

2. I pray you, do more research especially on the things concerning the nation of Israel. I say it again, the word "gentiles" refer to all Non-Israelites just like Nigerians can equally refer to the Americans as "gentiles"(Alaigbede). It also means goyim as used by the Jews which in sense is disparaging. It would anger you if someone refers to you as "alaigbede" meaning, a person who doesn't understand ones language. As regard "the dogs", the Bible says "the dogs live outside". Why? This is because it is one of the abominable animals God forbids the Jews not to eat. Because they represent peoples of other nations, in one sense, they are unclean and uncircumsized. Two, they have neither share nor inheritance in God's kingdom.Consider Peter's trance in Acts 10 in relation to Israel's dealings with other nations and eternal salvation for the whole world. The same scenario happened at Jacob's well_the argument between Jesus and the Samaritan woman(John 4). Here, the Jews do not have any dealings with the Samaritans because they see them as uncleaned. However, these two cases of eternal salvation extended to all other nations portrays God's love towards all. John 3:16

4. Read John 3:16. It is his word too! Let me know how you understand eternal salvation for all. Also meditate on Luke 2:32_A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

5. Genes don't change! Although "Ibi ori dani si
i la ngbe", it doesn't change ones origin.

6. (You) don't quote me out of context! I remain loyal to the cult of YHWH and His Son, Jesus Christ! I shall stand my ground as His ambassador till the end of my life!
Consider these:

Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
Isaiah 45 : 1


But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, LORD, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
Genesis 20 : 4

[25] That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
[26] And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.
Daniel 4 : 25-26

My conclusion: YHWH IS THE GOD OF ALL FLESH.
You can go through this link for you to understand indeed that the ETERNAL GOD has all peoples of the earth in mind concerning salvation.

https://www.nairaland.com/8256373/food-thought

Muurian:
If you are not doing what the original founders started and have devised your own personal strategies of worshipping God, you are not a Christian. That's the summary. It doesn't matter how you sugarcoat it.

Being a Christian entails following certain lay down traditions and dogmas. Imagine you trying to be Chinese when you don't have Chinese roots. That's a futile exercise.

So it doesn't matter how many times pentecostals repeats that they're Christians, they lack the capacity to make themselves Christians even if they worship Christ.

This should be simpler to understand now for you.

there is no need for saying all this protestants has hatred were the Catholic church is

Kobojunkie:
The foundation of your Pentecostal churches is drawn from that which is the Catholic church —imagery, rosaries, the queen of heaven, and and "mother of God" that the Catholics practice— and not from the person of Jesus Christ of Israel, however. 🤔

Good point

GothamCities:
Was there any Pentecostal or Catholic church until 300 AD? I even gave you a starting point from Constantine, yet you're here laughing ignorantly.

so which christian were dey doing the 1st 3rd century?

Muurian:
Was there a group of people called Christians during the time of Jesus Christ?

You are just confusing yourself.

Petalss:
Are you suggesting that when Jesus referred to "all nations," he was specifically addressing the 12 tribes of Israel?

my guy long time

Dtruthspeaker:
kobojunky

See how you have aligned with devil atheists. Clear proof you Catholics are Satan's children.

I have always said it Catholicism leads to Anti Godism (atheism) and here you are confirming it.

https://www.nairaland.com/7600700/why-catholic-church-evil-majority

mister man catholic didn't turn anybody to atheist. This are people that chose their own Free Will

Kingsempires:
so which christian were dey doing the 1st 3rd century?

Read your Bible now.

There was just one Christianity. No Catholicism or Protestantism or whatever. It was when the Romans brought in paganism that the Church split into two: Eastern Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church.

The Eastern Orthodox comprised of the group of Christians who chose to maintain the status quo and shun Roman paganism. The Roman Catholics are the group that absorbed Roman paganism.

Over the years, many eyes were opened in Roman Catholicism which led to protestantism and many other denominations.

Kingsempires:
mister man catholic didn't turn anybody to atheist. This are people that chose their own Free Will

As caused by their Catholic brainwashing.