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| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 11:08am On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:And Muslim scholars collected it as part of their religious books? Don't Muslim scholars quote these same scholars? Sorry! This is TRUE Islam: and I admit that it is shameful |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 11:14am On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:No sir. Too many errors: #The sun setting in murky waters? #Reproductive fluids coming from the rib cage #Jews and Christians taking their Rabbis and Monks as Lord instead of Allah and the Messiah #Maryn as sister of Aaron #Historical Errors like the Samaritans at the time of Moses Mohammed is the first Fabricator of Islam! |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 11:15am On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Al-Qutubi and Ibn Masud are Christians from my village!? The real Islam is rotten to the core |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 11:17am On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:I said NO! What concerns me with them? Deal with the questions before you |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 11:37am On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:Of course you refuse to agree with the use of names in text which may not be appropriately located to give false credibility. Definitely there may be things said by this renown men and many not said by them. Interpreting the presence of their name with regard to some things said doesn't mean they said everything you read. Mixing falsehood with some truth doesn't confer total truth to the text. |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 11:38am On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:The first question wasn't yes or no. Or you are inspired to answer a different question? |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 11:51am On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:It's your claim: the same you do with the Hadiths of your prophet. Any hadith that is embarrassing you will claim that it is fraud. Ohyoudidnt:I mean No, I won't. Please let's call it a day! I wish you all the very best in life and your endeavours. |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 11:57am On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:Of course your conception of grammar is insufficient. The phrase "the sun sets into the lake" creates a vivid image of twilight descending upon the water. Does this mean the sun set in the lake? The verse has been explained and the human misinterpretation addressed. The process of child birth is described. Does the womb not expand towards the ribcage during pregnancy? We need not go far as the over veneration of mortal pastors by the church clearly shows how tradition has continued through the centuries Honorary mention of Mary due to her piety like that of the priestly lineage of Aaron Samiri refers to a specific person among the Israelites, rather than the Samaritan community that developed later. Al-Samiri is seen as an individual who led the Israelites astray during Musa’s absence. Islamic tradition and scholarship indicate that his name might have served as a title or identifier, rather than signifying the Samaritans as an ethnic or religious group. You can only keep recycling the same set of questions despite extremely lengthy threads addressing them. Like inquiring about how the furnace heat a particular part of an ornament. Hopefully you wouldn't find yourself in the furnace before you are convinced. |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 12:04pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:The hadith isn't embarrassing but the lies attached to the hadith. We Muslims don't accept pseudepigrapha as you do with your Bible. You won't because you detest the truth. Any small thing you find what to try and smear Islam with you run with without seeking if indeed it is true. Truth be told liars only like lies. |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 12:17pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Islamic clerics keep manufacturing new solutions to their dilemma! It's okay! Ohyoudidnt:Too bad! The lies were told by Muslim scholars for Muslims (if indeed it's a lie) But why would Muslim scholars tell such lies? Ohyoudidnt:As-Samari means "the Samaritan" even many English translation translate it as such. If Allah is the best speaker of Arabic, he shouldn't have problems communicating the Qur'an without errors and ambiguities Please let's call it a day! I wish you all the very best in life and your endeavours. |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 12:24pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:Like I said liars only like lies. All you have written attests to the fact that you rely on man's interpretation of what Allah says and not what Allah clearly says. Small wonder the quarrels over pastors interpreting aspects of the Bible and Christianity differently. Fortunately the Quran identified a person not a group or tribe that misled the Israelites |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 12:30pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:I quoted your sources, how does that become a lie? Except you are admitting that Islamic scholars are chronic LIARS As-Samari simply means the Samaritan. Unfortunately, Samaria did not exist till approximately 1000 years after Moses. Please let's call it a day sir! |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 3:13pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:Too bad for the one that quotes sources that are not verified. Is it for the sake of reference regardless of whether what is referenced is true? Please there are records of statements made by liars and absolutely honest people why pick that of the liar? |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 3:24pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:The figure of As-Samari in Surah Taha is often misunderstood as a reference to a Samaritan, but it is more accurately seen as an individual who played a crucial role in the incident involving the golden calf. As-Samari, as described in the Quran, led the Israelites astray during Moses' absence on Mount Sinai (Ijaz Ahmad, 2024). His actions serve as a significant test of faith for the Israelites and highlight the consequences of straying from divine commandments. The narrative emphasizes not just an ethnic identity but also the moral and spiritual implications tied to his transgressions. Critics argue that calling him "the Samaritan" is anachronistic since Samaria did not exist at that time. This claim has been countered by recognizing that "As-Samari" can be understood beyond geographical terms, focusing instead on his rebellious nature and actions against Moses' leadership. The Quranic account does not strictly follow Biblical narratives; thus, understanding As-Samari requires a contextual interpretation rather than a rigid historical alignment. The punishment imposed on As-Samari further illustrates his role and its implications for faithfulness among believers. Verses 97-104 recount how he was condemned to isolation and faced severe consequences for leading others into sin (Tafseer Taha: Ayat 97-104 | In the Pursuit of Writing, 2013). This punishment reflects deeper theological themes regarding accountability and divine justice within Islamic teachings. Therefore, interpreting As-Samari solely through an ethnic lens overlooks the broader moral lessons embedded in this narrative. |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 3:57pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:The problem was that Mohammed the illiterate prophet was not aware that the Samaritans did not exist at the time. Unfortunately, Several English translation disagree with your explanation Qur'an 20:85-88 and Qur'an 20:95 Here are a few notable English translations that use "the Samaritan" for As-Samari in the Qur'an 1. Sahih International: "the Samaritan" 2. Pickthall: "the Samaritan" 3. Yusuf Ali: "the Samaritan" 4. Abdel Haleem: "the Samaritan" 5. Muhammad Asad: "the Samaritan" Are they unknowledgeable in Islam? Tafsir Qur'an 20.85 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn But those he supposed [to be following him] had remained behind, for He, exalted be He, said, ‘Indeed We tried your people after you, that is, after your departure from them, and the Samaritan led them astray’, so they took to worshipping the [golden] calf. https://quranx.com/tafsirs/20.85 You can see how you Muslims are struggling to cover up for the mistakes of Allah in your Qur'an. The Word As-Samari is akin to saying words like "the Nigerian", or "the American" or "the Ghanian". The problem is that we know only one Samaria at the time of Mohammed and they are called As-Samari. Perhaps Allah wasn't aware that this verse will disturb you Muslims |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 3:59pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Are you saying that Al-Qutubi and Ibn Masud are both liars? It seems anything you don't like about Islam you reject. Please , let's end this chat for now. Have a nice day |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 4:12pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:I told you that these persons were mixed into the text to give it a false authenticity. The statement attributed to Sufyan Ath-Thawri, which claims that "God Almighty sends water from beneath the Throne like the semen of men, and from it their flesh and bodies grow as the earth grows soil," does not seem to be a verified or widely recognized hadith in classical sources such as Sahih al-Bukhari or other major hadith collections. Additionally, it does not appear to align with mainstream Islamic eschatology or discussions on bodily resurrection, which are mainly based on clear Quranic verses and authentic hadiths. Now reread your false exegesis and point that Qurtubi and Ibn Masood actually made the water from the throne like semen statement. |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 4:22pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:You are the one struggling to hold on to your lies when shown the truth. While translators such as Sahih International, Pickthall, and Yusuf Ali have referred to "Samaritan" based on traditional interpretations, this identification is not conclusive. Both classical and modern scholars acknowledge that as-Samiri might be an individual unrelated to the later Samaritan sect. Ibn Kathir and al-Tabari viewed as-Samiri as a distinct figure in the narrative of the golden calf incident, without making a direct connection to the later Samaritan sect. They both identity him as a misguided individual |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 4:26pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Meaning that many Muslim scholars are liars! |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 4:28pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:The truth is easily verified with questions. From which city in history does the As-Samari come from at the time of Moses? |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 7:36pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:While the Israelites were in their exodus from Egypt they were they differentiated into cities of origin other than the tribes they descended from? Relook at the translations you presented as I have Allah responded, 'We have indeed tested your people in your absence, and the Samiri has led them astray.' - Mustafa Khattab He said: Lo! We have tried thy folk in thine absence, and As-Samiri hath misled them. - Marmaduke Pickthall (Allah) said: "We have tested thy people in thy absence: the Samiri has led them astray." - Abdullah Yusuf Ali It appears you give Picktall and Yusuf Ali your own translation even if Asad is in agreement with what you stated |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 7:53pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:Even What is attributed to Sufyan Ath-Thawri is false. What is available of him on the internet is incorrect he contributed to Tafsir but not this semen lie. The internet really can be a very dangerous place despite the ease it presents. |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 7:58pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
Did you attempt to edit my writing?
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| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 8:06pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:I have asked you a historical question and not a hypothetical question. Where is the City? From which city in history does the As-Samari come from at the time of Moses? |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by Ohyoudidnt: 8:28pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
TenQ:As the Israelites journeyed from Egypt where were they all coming from? Of what use is your questioning when it is established that amongst the journeying Israelites someone referred to as As-samiri misled them into worshipping a molded calf. As Samiri could be a personal name or nickname instead of an ethnic identity. A character linked to specific mystical or esoteric practices (which could clarify his expertise in shaping the calf). Or even a title rather than a name, suggesting a trait or role within the narrative. I am aware of what you are trying to do 🤯 |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by TenQ(op): 9:59pm On Nov 08, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:You said: As Samiri could be a personal name or nickname instead of an ethnic identity. This is a speculation and NOT a historical fact The truth is that you have no evidence to reject that it is the Samaritan! Allah should know better than this o! |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by aribisala0(m): 2:21pm On Nov 30, 2024 |
TenQ:Muhamid thief red pant? Why red? |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by aribisala0(m): 2:25pm On Nov 30, 2024 |
TenQ:It is a worry that Muhamid who stole RED PANTS and slept with children is considered a messenger of Allah |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by aribisala0(m): 2:51pm On Nov 30, 2024 |
TenQ:Who is idol worshippers You must be a lunatic |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by aribisala0(m): 2:56pm On Nov 30, 2024 |
Expanse2020:Did muhammad fucck a 9 year old and did he steal a red pant?. Why What is special about red panties? |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by aribisala0(m): 5:15pm On Nov 30, 2024 |
Expanse2020:Christianity is based on Judaism and its scriptures Of course both are man made Islam is equally man made based on Arabic inferiority complex and a need to compete with and supplant Judaism The moment you can debunk Judaism or Christianity Islam looks very stupid None of those religions has any relevance to black Africans whose brains are working |
| Re: Yoruba Muslims Beg For A Truce With Traditional Yoruba Religionists by aribisala0(m): 7:00pm On Nov 30, 2024 |
Explore2xmore:Allah simply means The Deity or idol Muhammad did not introduce that to Arabs in Mecca They have been worshiping idols in Mecca including the stone that you go there to lick Black Africans are quite stupid with a slave mentality You don't need islam or Christianity to guide you By the way explain Sura 14 .4 |
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