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Honestly can't remember.....

But Him constantly reminding me through His word( the Bible) of His love for me....

richmond500:
yes I did.
I begin to ponder on issues that contradicts God to be all loving and all powerful, and I knew he is not what they say he is

and what did God Himself say He is?

If you set yourself free by pondering on issues that contradict God, then would you care to share one of those issues with us and the contradiction you found.

phemmyfour:
Jn 3:16....so straightforward. That's the gospel. That's the whole Bible in 2-3 lines

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he killed his own child so we can be saved from his wrath.

He created the devil, created sin, wickedly planted the fruit in the garden and then we are going to suffer eternal damnation for something that is 100% his fault and now he wants to save us from his torture? And that is supposed to be a fair justice?

richmond500:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he killed his own child so we can be saved from his wrath.

He created the devil, created sin, wickedly planted the fruit in the garden and then we are going to suffer eternal damnation for something that is 100% his fault and now he wants to save us from his torture? And that is supposed to be a fair justice?

Ignorance
The absence of light is darkness. Light was created not darkness

gohf:
and what did God Himself say He is?

If you set yourself free by pondering on issues that contradict God, then would you care to share one of those issues with us and the contradiction you found.

Can you take ur time to read this thread below and see the atrocities commited by God?

https://www.nairaland.com/8213471/why-stopped-going-church-believing

phemmyfour:
Ignorance
The absence of light is darkness. Light was created not darkness

who is talking about light and darkness here?
I am saying ur God created sin and is going to damn us eternally for the sin he created.
The universe is so endless but he chooses to plant the tree that will destroy us in the garden of Eden and then the omini-presence God was nowhere to be found when Adam ate the fruit.
Ur God set us up

richmond500:
who is talking about light and darkness here?
I am saying ur God created sin and is going to damn us eternally for the sin he created.
The universe is so endless but he chooses to plant the tree that will destroy us in the garden of Eden and then the omini-presence God was nowhere to be found when Adam ate the fruit.
Ur God set us up

If you don't understand those few lines, you can never understand anything about God's principles

richmond500:
Can you take ur time to read this thread below and see the atrocities commited by God?

https://www.nairaland.com/8213471/why-stopped-going-church-believing

Okay,

Let's start with his intro and first point

The devil who was the bad guy has never killed a single person, but God has tortured and killed many just because he felt like it

first he defends the devil without proof, that he has never killed a single person, yet he will mention a story where he is given permission tp destroy all Job has but no permission to kill Job. The first cross examination would be, who wanted to kill and who went to kill. Or is this wrong?

I'll give few points to support my claim why he is not real and if he is, then there is a bigger problem.

I will read as much as possible but i believe there were responses in the same thread as well, were they not? Did you read their responses as well?

Now his first point
Point 1 Reading down to the book of Job, I noticed God actually went to Satan who was just chilling, placed a bet with the devil and asked him to torture Job and kill his children, I discussed this with someone and the person answered... "but God gave him ten folds of whatever he lost"... Like seriously? Giving me 10 children will just make up for the one you killed? I was not comfortable with the whole thing and felt this biblical God is egocentric and can just torture you cos he is bored.



Now this is just his first point, can your answers convince me or anyone to continue reading?

I ask you if you knew what God himself said? Do you?

Now this is what is actually recorded please read it

Job.1.6 - 12
One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan the Accuser came with them.
"Where have you come from?" the LORD asked Satan. And Satan answered the LORD, "I have been going back and forth across the earth, watching everything that's going on." Then the LORD asked Satan, "Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth--a man of complete integrity. He fears God and will have nothing to do with evil." Satan replied to the LORD, "Yes, Job fears God, but not without good reason! You have always protected him and his home and his property from harm. You have made him prosperous in everything he does. Look how rich he is! But take away everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face!" "All right, you may test him," the LORD said to Satan. "Do whatever you want with everything he possesses, but don't harm him physically." So Satan left the LORD's presence.


Now ask yourself, the person writing that point 1, did they actually read or know what is written or were they purposely trying to deceive others. If some lies about something that can easily be verified it's either they are calling those who listen and believe them fools or they themselves are actually just blind trying to guide others.


Ask yourself

Did God actually go to Satan who was just chilling?

Did God place a bet with the devil and asked him to torture Job and kill his children?

Since you said you said you pondered and set yourself free, show us by your answer how you reason and set yourself free, please.

It shouldn't be about what people say, or how they feel, he felt "this biblical God is egocentric and can just torture you cos he is bored."

So from what is written and what he said and his feeling, please tell us and answer the questions I have asked as honest as you can.

phemmyfour:
If you don't understand those few lines, you can never understand anything about God's principles

exactly, God exists in ur philosophy books with yeye lines

gohf:
No Jesus is not God, Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God YHVH.

🤣🤣🤣😆😆

Amazing and lovely


My Black Africans are waking up that's fantastic 👌




Just imagine what these whites did to our fathers 👨

JESUS OF NAZARETH MOVIE
(His good work and crucifixion) precisely

SultanOfAbia:
When Jesus forgave the olosho in the bible.

It really touched me..

You these youths are something else

See where his mind went

The moment I watched The Burning Hell,

This scripture gave it the finishing: I am the way, thr truth and the life. No one comes to the FATHER BUT THROUGH ME.

IF HE KNEW NO SIN AND DID NO SIN, THEN THIS MUST BE TRUE!

I surrendered on the spot!

gohf:
The message that
brought you to Jesus can you remember it?

This question is may be tough to answer, even for me, many don't even remember the day or period they surrendered all to Jesus. Well I can't understand how anyone can forget the day they choose to die, the day they choose to forsake all and follow Jesus, the day they made a vow and commitment except they never took it seriously or it wasn't a serious moment in their lives. Paul would repeat his encounter a number of times as we read through acts, to show how much of an impact that was in his decision to follow Jesus. But do you know Paul may not have remembered Stephen's words and prayer he heard.

Personally my answer to that question honestly is no, I don't remember the exact message but I remember my encounter with Jesus. Infact I remember the answer a new convert from a federal boys school in Lagos, gave one day and because of that answer he is one of the few names I remember from highschool, what did he say that day, "speak the truth in love". I remember incidents like these because they formed the echoes of the words that rang in my heart for years.

This is what I want to say to those who evangelize, it doesn't matter how people react when you preach, just trust the Holy Spirit he does the work you cannot do, just obey God and go, obey God and speak. Forget about the bad boy or girl everyone once saw you as, and let God put his words in your mouth. Your message may be the key to unlock the soul of someone.

Some of you it may have been the words of your parents, the words of someone in a bus or some friend you may not even remember. But today I hope you remember that you encountered Jesus because someone else let God use them and so let someone else encounter Jesus because of you. That my friends is love at work through you. God bless you

He did not create sin. SIN was found in the devil.

As for me. I will rather follow him in faith and then die only to find out He does not exist than assume He does not exist and then Surprise! It's a win win as long as I believe and follow Him in faith.

God bless

richmond500:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he killed his own child so we can be saved from his wrath.

He created the devil, created sin, wickedly planted the fruit in the garden and then we are going to suffer eternal damnation for something that is 100% his fault and now he wants to save us from his torture? And that is supposed to be a fair justice?

A videotape titled, the Revelation of Jesus, by Pst. Chris Oyakhilome. Initially, I was like wetin dis one know say e dey talk, within the first 2 mins I was totally blown away! Whether Muslim or Christian or Trado-religionist, I guarantee no one will ever deceive u about Jesus again, if u watch that tape.

MrCuteAndLoaded:
He did not create sin. SIN was found in the devil.

As for me. I will rather follow him in faith and then die only to find out He does not exist than assume He does not exist and then Surprise! It's a win win as long as I believe and follow Him in faith.

God bless

Sin was found in which devil?
Didn't he create the devil?
Was I the one that created the devil? Why am I being punished for his own mistakes?

As for me, I won't follow a psycopath that won't take responsibilities for his own crime

richmond500:
Sin was found in which devil?
Didn't he create the devil?
Was I the one that created the devil? Why am I being punished for his own mistakes?

As for me, I won't follow a psycopath that won't take responsibilities for his own crime

you haven't replied are you avoiding to pondering or showing us your reason that you used to set yourself free?

gohf:
Okay,

Let's start with his intro and first point

first he defends the devil without proof, that he has never killed a single person, yet he will mention a story where he is given permission tp destroy all Job has but no permission to kill Job. The first cross examination would be, who wanted to kill and who went to kill. Or is this wrong?


I will read as much as possible but i believe there were responses in the same thread as well, were they not? Did you read their responses as well?

Now his first point
Point 1 Reading down to the book of Job, I noticed God actually went to Satan who was just chilling, placed a bet with the devil and asked him to torture Job and kill his children, I discussed this with someone and the person answered... "but God gave him ten folds of whatever he lost"... Like seriously? Giving me 10 children will just make up for the one you killed? I was not comfortable with the whole thing and felt this biblical God is egocentric and can just torture you cos he is bored.



Now this is just his first point, can your answers convince me or anyone to continue reading?

I ask you if you knew what God himself said? Do you?

Now this is what is actually recorded please read it

Job.1.6 - 12
One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan the Accuser came with them.
"Where have you come from?" the LORD asked Satan. And Satan answered the LORD, "I have been going back and forth across the earth, watching everything that's going on." Then the LORD asked Satan, "Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth--a man of complete integrity. He fears God and will have nothing to do with evil." Satan replied to the LORD, "Yes, Job fears God, but not without good reason! You have always protected him and his home and his property from harm. You have made him prosperous in everything he does. Look how rich he is! But take away everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face!" "All right, you may test him," the LORD said to Satan. "Do whatever you want with everything he possesses, but don't harm him physically." So Satan left the LORD's presence.


Now ask yourself, the person writing that point 1, did they actually read or know what is written or were they purposely trying to deceive others. If some lies about something that can easily be verified it's either they are calling those who listen and believe them fools or they themselves are actually just blind trying to guide others.


Ask yourself

Did God actually go to Satan who was just chilling?

Did God place a bet with the devil and asked him to torture Job and kill his children?

Since you said you said you pondered and set yourself free, show us by your answer how you reason and set yourself free, please.

It shouldn't be about what people say, or how they feel, he felt "this biblical God is egocentric and can just torture you cos he is bored."

So from what is written and what he said and his feeling, please tell us and answer the questions I have asked as honest as you can.

gohf:
you haven't replied are you avoiding to pondering or showing us your reason that you used to set yourself free?

I only read short texts or messages about God and faith.
That ur text is too long and will be totally boring for me to read, I may come to it when I have the time

When you meet Him on Judgement day, you can table your point. Who knows? You might be justified your Highness.

richmond500:
Sin was found in which devil?
Didn't he create the devil?
Was I the one that created the devil? Why am I being punished for his own mistakes?

As for me, I won't follow a psycopath that won't take responsibilities for his own crime

Trinity is Diabolical and a trap to snare by the pegan romans headed by emperor Constanntine.
God is One.

richmond500:
I only read short texts or messages about God and faith.
That ur text is too long and will be totally boring for me to read, I may come to it when I have the time

but you want me to read a whole thread?

So you don't even know God nor what He said yet you claimed you were indoctrinated

richmond500:
I don't believe in Jesus.
I was indoctrinated and misled into religion as a child, it's a good thing I was finally free.

Most people couldn't save themselves from religious chains

And that you set yourself free by

richmond500:
yes I did.
I begin to ponder on issues that contradicts God to be all loving and all powerful, and I knew he is not what they say he is

And now when asked what does or who does God say He is? You still have no answer but you admit that you do not know.

So who exactly did you contradict?

gohf:
you haven't replied are you avoiding to pondering or showing us your reason that you used to set yourself free?

modified, I peruse through ur text and u are more into his point where God asked Satan to test job.

Well the fact that Satan (the bad guy) can go to the council where God sits is already too bad for me.

My main reason of leaving Christianity is because I didn't see any sin I committed that will allow the so called "ever merciful, ever loving" God to create hell for me and torture me for eternity.
That is not an attribute of a benevolent being.
That is a wicked, bloodlust psycopath

gohf:
but you want me to read a whole thread?

So you don't even know God nor what He said yet you claimed you were indoctrinated

And that you set yourself free by


And now when asked what does or who does God say He is? You still have no answer but you admit that you do not know.

So who exactly did you contradict?

If we are to be frank to ourselves, we are suffering because of all the spot in the universe, God decide to plant the fruit where Adam will see it and then we will all suffer.

MrCuteAndLoaded:
When you meet Him on Judgement day, you can table your point. Who knows? You might be justified your Highness.

meet who on judgement day?
That biblical God only exist in ur head, even if there is a God, then he is not bloodlusted as that psycopath in the bible who will flood the earth with water because people didn't believe in him, even Israel doesn't believe Jesus Christ ever existed, so why should I?
The tomb of Jesus Christ was archeologically studied and proven that the tomb existed 800yrs before Christ and the tomb doesn't belong to the biblical Jesus, so there is no prove that Jesus ever existed.
And u want me to believe by faith he existed?

richmond500:
modified, I peruse through ur text and u are more into his point where God asked Satan to test job.

Well the fact that Satan (the bad guy) can go to the council where God sits is already too bad for me.

My main reason of leaving Christianity is because I didn't see any sin I committed that will allow the so called "ever merciful, ever loving" God to create hell for me and torture me for eternity.
That is not an attribute of a benevolent being.
That is a wicked, bloodlust psycopath

If you read the Bible yourself would you not have come across this very passage

Rev.12.10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Now I said READ READ PROPERLY
which council are you taking about
Job.1.6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan the Accuser came with them.

They went to present themselves to God, and God asked Satan what he has been doing.

So which or what council are you talking about?

You left Christianity because you didn't see any sin that you committed that would make God create hell for you and torture you for eternity.

Who told you God created hell for you?

Are you evil and wicked? Do you hurt and hate without reason for your own self pleasure? Do you lie against others even when you know it hurts their feelings, probably because it makes you laugh?

Do you promise a lady love then use and abuse her, then treat her like trash?

One cannot be wicked and yet justify themselves as not been worth punishment?

Does that make any sense to you? Is that the reasoning you used to set yourself free? To excuse yourself from the possible consequences of what you do to others?


So God must be evil, or in your words "wicked, bloodlust psychopath" to punish those who practice and love evil?


You don't see any sin? Are you righteous? Then why does God's wrath against the wicked bother you?

gohf:
Some of you it may have been the words of your parents, the words of someone in a bus or some friend you may not even remember. But today I hope you remember that you encountered Jesus because someone else let God use them and so let someone else encounter Jesus because of you. That my friends is love at work through you. God bless you

Mine was a movie in Church: Burning Hell
It's an old movie

richmond500:
If we are to be frank to ourselves, we are suffering because of all the spot in the universe, God decide to plant the fruit where Adam will see it and then we will all suffer.

So because you can see the ocean does it mean you should jump into it? Even after you were told not to?

You are suffering for a wrong choice as a result of disobedience. Was he ignorant of the repercussions?

richmond500:
Sin was found in which devil?
Didn't he create the devil?
Was I the one that created the devil? Why am I being punished for his own mistakes?

As for me, I won't follow a psycopath that won't take responsibilities for his own crime

first should you not proof he is a psychopath and a criminal like you have accused before discussing matters concerning judging Him to take responsibility

richmond500:
meet who on judgement day?
That biblical God only exist in ur head, even if there is a God, then he is not bloodlusted as that psycopath in the bible who will flood the earth with water because people didn't believe in him, even Israel doesn't believe Jesus Christ ever existed, so why should I?
The tomb of Jesus Christ was archeologically studied and proven that the tomb existed 800yrs before Christ and the tomb doesn't belong to the biblical Jesus, so there is no prove that Jesus ever existed.
And u want me to believe by faith he existed?

did God flood the earth because people did believe in him or because the wickedness of men were great upon the face of the earth?

Look is it not better to prepare to defend yourself against God peradventure he does exist. At least have knowledge to accuse Him in case you meet Him after you did. Right?

But when even on earth you lack knowledge how would you even survive a courtroom where the true record is?


Did you not read that the tomb belonged to a rich man who used to bury Jesus?

May God have mercy on those who taught you the Bible, did you ever truly listen to any reading of the Bible when you claimed you were indoctrinated?

richmond500:
yes I did.
I begin to ponder on issues that contradicts God to be all loving and all powerful, and I knew he is not what they say he is

Don't mind them. Gd practically destroyed the early humans slash angels when they had become powerful men and women.

Gd wiped humanity out with flood save for Noah and his ark.

Gd burnt the former city of Abraham.

Most of those folks calling Gd what written history and actions say Gd wasn't are just delusional and forcing their delusions to be reality when in fact, Gd "never" changes.

gohf:
did God flood the earth because people did believe in him or because the wickedness of men were great upon the face of the earth?

Look is it not better to prepare to defend yourself against God peradventure he does exist. At least have knowledge to accuse Him in case you meet Him after you did. Right?

But when even on earth you lack knowledge how would you even survive a courtroom where the true record is?


Did you not read that the tomb belonged to a rich man who used to bury Jesus?

May God have mercy on those who taught you the Bible, did you ever truly listen to any reading of the Bible when you claimed you were indoctrinated?

For what reason are you guys even mixing Gd and jesus together?

Treat Gd separately, and treat the claims of jesus and his disciples separately.