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All the atheist on this thread turn to Almighty Allah for he is merciful and benevolent. Thanks. There is nothing in atheism.

DeepSight:
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How do you know that I will.

High blood pressure alone threatens my longevity.

I don't know, Deep. I merely hope.

Know that my longevity is threatened too, ever since I ignorantly swam in a Schistosomiasis infested lake and got paralysed waist down. I'm not paralysed anymore, but my life is most definitely shortened from what it likely might have been, though I feel certain to at least be here a couple of years more and don't intend to ignore a person who reason as deeply as you do despite our disagreeing.

Meedon:
All the atheist on this thread turn to Almighty Allah for he is merciful and benevolent. Thanks. There is nothing in atheism.

Sounds like your understanding is that buda has found nothing in atheism, and has turned to Islam.

Confirm please!

I must say that I find it funny that most don't read my monicker and accuse me of Buddhism or say I worship the Egyptian God Atum. But I know that's because most are believers, and not seekers of knowing and understanding, and I don't seem to promote Buddhism much.

It's however also because most of us Nigerians are programmed to believe (by our religion which is what has formed our collective societal mind), and is usually in the form of accepting what is obvious and on the surface, and not seeking deeper than that by asking and knocking and seeking with all one's heart and soul and mind and body and being and time and might like Jesus taught one should and which underpins the society I grew up in.

budaatum:
Sounds like your understanding is that buda has found nothing in atheism, and has turned to Islam.

Confirm please!

I must say that I find it funny that most don't read my monicker and accuse me of Buddhism or say I worship the Egyptian God Atum. But I know that's because most are believers, and not seekers of knowing and understanding, and I don't seem to promote Buddhism much.

It's however also because most of us Nigerians are programmed to believe (by our religion which is what has formed our collective societal mind), and is usually in the form of accepting what is obvious and on the surface, and not seeking deeper than that by asking and knocking and seeking with all one's heart and soul and mind and body and being and time and might like Jesus taught one should and which underpins the society I grew up in.

May Almighty Allah bless you for accepting to follow His words.

budaatum:
I don't know, Deep. I merely hope.

Know that my longevity is threatened too, ever since I ignorantly swam in a Schistosomiasis infested lake and got paralysed waist down. I'm not paralysed anymore, but my life is most definitely shortened from what it likely might have been, though I feel certain to at least be here a couple of years more and don't intend to ignore a person who reason as deeply as you do despite our disagreeing.

What is your take on life after death? When we can't breathe no more? Is there a sugar candy like in "Animal farm," where the deceased animals do go to?

Meedon:
What is your take on life after death? When we can't breathe no more? Is there a sugar candy like in "Animal farm," where the deceased animals do go to?

Funny you ask this. My dad and I have an agreement that on a particular day and time after he dies he will come to our favourite (esoteric) bookshop where we will meet to confirm if truly there is life after death. He'd be dead 10 years next year and has not returned once yet, but we did agree to be checking for 10 years, so next year will I know.

My observation is that, when people stop breathing and are dead, their dead body is placed in a box and buried six feet deep where they rot and feed the worms.

When I die, my dead body will be cremated and ashes scattered, and that will be the end of buda. Well, except on Nairaland I guess, where my words shall endure after my death and until Nairaland stops existing.

Meedon:
May Almighty Allah bless you for accepting to follow His words.

You! Lol!

budaatum:
Funny you ask this. My dad and I have an agreement that on a particular day and time after he dies he will come to our favourite (esoteric) bookshop where we will meet to confirm if truly there is life after death. He'd be dead 10 years next year and has not returned once yet, but we did agree to be checking for 10 years, so next year will I know.

My observation is that, when people stop breathing and are dead, their dead body is placed in a box and buried six feet deep where they rot and feed the worms.

When I die, my dead body will be cremated and ashes scattered, and that will be the end of buda. Well, except on Nairaland I guess, where my words shall endure after my death and until Nairaland stops existing.

If there is heaven, won't you like to go there?

budaatum:
You! Lol!

May His words be a blessing unto us. Amin.

Meedon:
If there is heaven, won't you like to go there?

No! Not at all, thank you very much! For despite the supposed fire in hell, it seems there'd be more debauchery and enjoyment in hell than there could ever be possibly be amongst the righteous lot who would end up in heaven.

And to be honest, having to endure the supposed piety and righteousness of some here who believe they'd end up in heaven, I'd be much more pleased to be where they are unlikely to be.

budaatum:
I don't know, Deep. I merely hope.

Know that my longevity is threatened too, ever since I ignorantly swam in a Schistosomiasis infested lake and got paralysed waist down. I'm not paralysed anymore, but my life is most definitely shortened from what it likely might have been, though I feel certain to at least be here a couple of years more and don't intend to ignore a person who reason as deeply as you do despite our disagreeing.

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Stay strong bro (or sis - I dont know your gender and will not presume).
Miracles do happen.
We may live long.

As an aside - almost everyone I know is surprised I am still alive. Cant say further.

LordReed:
Ehhh, this is not correct. Atheists share educative materials about religion. Atheists don't have that kind of constraint you religious people usually have ie thinking that sharing religious material means you believe or are promoting that religion. You for instance would never go to the Islam section because you don't want that badge on your profile, you think it makes you somehow treacherous to your religion, an atheist has no such qualms.

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Let me slide into this from a different direction. From my ardent defense of the rights of Palestinians many people seem to presume I am a lover of Islam.

An ideology and religion that I actually detest.

But why would I not, from conscience, believe that a people must be free?

DeepSight:
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Stay strong bro (or sis - I dont know your gender and will not presume).
Miracles do happen.
We may live long.

As an aside - almost everyone I know is surprised I am still alive. Cant say further.

I'm going to apologise to you about my gender thing. Its something that followed me from another forum and that I have maintained ever since.

You live, and will continue living till you don't live no more, and others surprise does not matter. Though I find it odd they'd be surprised. Are you delaying them from inheriting or you standing in their way somehow that they'd want you dead?

(The question is rhetorical, since you said "can't say".)

DeepSight:
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Let me slide into this from a different direction. From my ardent defense of the rights of Palestinians many people seem to presume I am a lover of Islam.

An ideology and religion that I actually detest.

But why would I not, from conscience, believe that a people must be free?

Same as I must be a member of Amorc and not an atheist, according to triplechoice, because I post about Amorc and quote god books

Makes me wonder if they also think anyone who quotes god books is righteous and going to heaven.

budaatum:
Same as I must be a member of Amorc and not an atheist, according to triplechoice, because I post about Amorc and quote god books

Makes me wonder if they also think anyone who quotes god books is righteous and going to heaven.

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GBAM!

budaatum:
And there was me about to yell that you are biased where buda is concerned, lol.

What say ye, FxMasterz? Mr Lord has been asked.

https://www.nairaland.com/4721331/atheist-islam-muslims

Okay then.

That clears buda.

LordReed:
Ehhh, this is not correct. Atheists share educative materials about religion. Atheists don't have that kind of constraint you religious people usually have ie thinking that sharing religious material means you believe or are promoting that religion. You for instance would never go to the Islam section because you don't want that badge on your profile, you think it makes you somehow treacherous to your religion, an atheist has no such qualms.

Buda is cleared.

Triplechoice should take note.

However, I have never witnessed any Nairaland atheist sharing religious materials for the purpose of education except for criticism.

If that means atheists don't have the same constraints religious people have, it means atheists don't actually know what they're doing. I cannot teach anyone about something I don't believe in. That's hypocrisy.

Buda is cleared of being called out for hypocrisy because lordreed has said it's a general thing among atheists.

FxMasterz:
Buda is cleared.

Triplechoice should take note.

Trust me when I say that my faith in your ability to use you own senses instead of believing triplechoice never wavered.

One just needed to spit on mud and rub it in your eyes, but you still needed to go to wash in the Pool of Siloam, and now you see.

Pity Triple wouldn't go wash in the pool.

budaatum:
Trust me when I say that my faith in your ability to use you own senses instead of believing triplechoice never wavered.

One just needed to spit on mud and rub it in your eyes, but you still needed to go to wash in the Pool of Siloam, and now you see.

Pity Triple wouldn't go wash in the pool.

I don't have the time to be browsing all over Nairaland. So, I can only draw inferences from both parties present. What's wrong with that?

FxMasterz:
If that means atheists don't have the same constraints religious people have, it means atheists don't actually know what they're doing. I cannot teach anyone about something I don't believe in. That's hypocrisy.

FxMasterz, this your addition is not true, or at best, it is faulty.

When you "teach" what you believe in, you are not teaching at all, and all you are doing is indoctrinate.

When some teach, they are teaching you to use your own mind so you better develop as a human being.

This is the difference between me reading the bible and even posting about Amorc books and using them as teaching tools, and a religious person indoctrinating with it. And it is what confuses many like triple who seek beliefs instead of understanding.

When I read about Jesus Christ, I see all his teachings as "seek knowledge, and seek understanding", and that is the sense in which I adore what is written about him. He is after all written to be the Word in the most gnostic of the Gospels, so why would one read only the bread?

For me, if God were to put me in the Garden of Eden and Jesus were to walk by, it is he, and not some serpent, who would pluck the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and shove it down my throat, if I didn't already steal it to eat by myself, and he'd even go get me the fruit of the tree of life and feed me that too, because if he didn't, he'd definitely fail in ensuring I live for a long enough time if not forever.

This is not what I think the Bible writers intended for us reading the Old Testament now in the 21st century though, but they can not possibly keep us enslaved by indoctrination for ever because a Jesus was always going to come and open our eyes and free our minds from ignorant slavery, as he did.

And on this note, let me express my most sincere gratitude to triplechoice for this thread. The Gods (imaginary, mind!), have indeed used you triplefold.

FxMasterz:
I don't have the time to be browsing all over Nairaland. So, I can only draw inferences from both parties present. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong is that its lazy, and will result in bad judgement as you yourself have shown here.

It is like a person who hasn't bothered spending time measuring other peoples fathers' farms claiming his own father's farm is the biggest, or passing judgement on an accused without bothering to look at all the evidence.

Better would be to know one's knowledge is limited and insufficient to pass judgement and shut the f up! But I guess that would be asking for far too much of some.

budaatum:
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What's wrong is that its lazy, and will result in bad judgement as you yourself have shown here.

It is like a person who hasn't bothered spending time measuring other peoples fathers' farms claiming his own father's farm is the biggest, or passing judgement on an accused without bothering to look at all the evidence.

Better would be to know one's knowledge is limited and insufficient to pass judgement and shut the f up! But I guess that would be asking for far too much of some.

I never passed judgement, buda. I was drawing inferences and expecting you to clear yourself.

When I said you were cleared and still referred to triplechoice to take note, that wasn't a final judgement too. I am still hoping to see if triplechoice still has anything to add.

I'm not here to judge but to draw inferences.

Honestly, I don't have time to be browsing through Nairaland. It's not laziness. I have other things doing.

LordReed:
Ehhh, this is not correct. Atheists share educative materials about religion. Atheists don't have that kind of constraint you religious people usually have ie thinking that sharing religious material means you believe or are promoting that religion. You for instance would never go to the Islam section because you don't want that badge on your profile, you think it makes you somehow treacherous to your religion, an atheist has no such qualms.

Your response completely misses the point and misrepresents the nature of my accusation. This was never about whether an atheist can "share educative materials"

The issue is the context, content, and intent behind Buda' s actions,which go far beyond neutral sharing .

An atheist might share a Bible verse to critique it . Buda created a post advertising the benefits of joining AMORC, using the word, "We", and providing direct links for recruitment.No principled atheist recruits for spiritual organisation whose core tenets they reject.

Moreover, an atheist critiques religious claims. Budaatum has a history of passionately defending AMORC 's specific doctrines and materials from external criticism. He acts as a guardian of their beliefs,not a Skeptic of them.

Furthermore, if Budaatum is a true atheist,he should reject AMORC's teachings on the soul, cosmic consciousness,and mental alchemy as unscientific. So why would he promote and defend books containing these very doctrines?. This is the heart of the intellectual dishonesty .

Sharing a religious text for critical analysis is one thing.Actively recruiting for a religious-esoteric order and defending its dogma is another. The former is consistent with atheism, the latter is the behaviour of an advocate or a member

The evidence shows Budaatum has consistently done the latter. That's the accusation, and it remains unaddressed

Please don't allow Budaatum to trick you and make you defend him concerning this.

He has no reasonable defense to give.

Here below is an screenshot of the post where Budaatum advertised the benefits of joining Amorc, attaching contact details for whom to contact in Nigeria and with a link to download their Introductory material for potential new members.

And you call this what?

Sharing educational materials. Abeg

@FxMasterz ,I have been engaged with other things hence the reason I couldn't reply immediately to Budaatum latest attempt to create confusion. Look at the image below and ask Lordreed how is it equivalent to sharing educational materials about AMORC.


Use the link below to visit the thread where it was taken from .The title of the thread alone is enough for anyone who knows about the Order to know it was created by an initiate of the group. I just dey laugh.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4289185

budaatum:
FxMasterz, this your addition is not true, or at best, it is faulty.

When you "teach" what you believe in, you are not teaching at all, and all you are doing is indoctrinate.

When some teach, they are teaching you to use your own mind so you better develop as a human being.

This is the difference between me reading the bible and even posting about Amorc books and using them as teaching tools, and a religious person indoctrinating with it. And it is what confuses many like triple who seek beliefs instead of understanding.

When I read about Jesus Christ, I see all his teachings as "seek knowledge, and seek understanding", and that is the sense in which I adore what is written about him. He is after all written to be the Word in the most gnostic of the Gospels, so why would one read only the bread?

For me, if God were to put me in the Garden of Eden and Jesus were to walk by, it is he, and not some serpent, who would pluck the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and shove it down my throat, if I didn't already steal it to eat by myself, and he'd even go get me the fruit of the tree of life and feed me that too, because if he didn't, he'd definitely fail in ensuring I live for a long enough time if not forever.

This is not what I think the Bible writers intended for us reading the Old Testament now in the 21st century though, but they can not possibly keep us enslaved by indoctrination for ever because a Jesus was always going to come and open our eyes and free our minds from ignorant slavery, as he did.

And on this note, let me express my most sincere gratitude to triplechoice for this thread. The Gods (imaginary, mind!), have indeed used you triplefold.

Shut it. You cannot confuse me. You can only confuse yourself and those whom you consider fools.

OLAADEGBU:
@triplechoice,

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s probably a duck.

https://www.nairaland.com/8566179/appeal-investigate-hidden-evidence-harassment#137550260

Yes, you are very correct. Let Buda continue to deceive himself. He is no atheist. He uses the fabricated atheist persona so no one here mock him for his spiritual beliefs.

Use the link below to reach the thread where he advertised for Amorc to recruit new members.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4289185

Here again is where he passionately defend AMORC from attacks. There others too . This is just one instance where he defended the group.

https://www.nairaland.com/4793988/mystical-life/3#111529979

FxMasterz:
I never passed judgement, buda. I was drawing inferences and expecting you to clear yourself.

The below is from your initial post on this thread. It is a judgement, and based on you not even knowing at the time that budaatum is not sonmyavina (your apology for the mixup is accepted by the way), and you even mentioned your support for Maxindhouse who's only contribution to the thread was also a judgement.

FxMasterz:
So, who is budaatum?

Budaatum is an atheist, a worshipper of Marduk, a staunt believer in ifa, an animist and a follower of Moses. Does this definition make sense to you? No! But that's who budaatum is. And, you see, he calls himself buda for a reason. The confusion no be here.

It took me some time to understand him. Anyone who engages him on any religious topic has entered one chance indeed. Maxindhouse was right.

What's a pity is you now claim not to have had the time to check the available evidence, which makes me think of you as one of those people who hear others shout "thief", so you "draw an inference" and join in putting a tyre around the person's neck and pouring petrol and setting the accused alight without a trial and because you did not have the time to check if the person you were burning was really a thief!

Your action here could have resulted in a tragedy, but thankfully no one got burnt, and I hope you learn from your action, because if you are one who draws inferences, instead of spending time researching as you have not done here, in FX that you claim to be a master in, I can see you on the losing side of profitable trades very often.

triplechoice:
Shut it.

Why don't you just use whatever powers you have to shut buda up.

Or do you think you can just command buda and buda will obey you?

FxMasterz:
Buda is cleared.

Triplechoice should take note.

However, I have never witnessed any Nairaland atheist sharing religious materials for the purpose of education except for criticism.

If that means atheists don't have the same constraints religious people have, it means atheists don't actually know what they're doing. I cannot teach anyone about something I don't believe in. That's hypocrisy.

Buda is cleared of being called out for hypocrisy but lordreed has said it's a general thing among atheists.

No. He is not cleared. He misrepresented the issue for you hence the reason you cleared him. He succeeded because I have not been around to challenge his nonsense.

triplechoice:
No. He is not cleared. He misrepresented the issue for you hence the reason you cleared him. He succeeded because I have not been around to challenge his nonsense.

Are you suggesting FxMasterz and others who cleared buda of your nefarious allegations are fools who can not reason with their own minds?

You, sir, doth protest too much, and are like one who calls thief on an innocent person so the mob can help you burn them, only to find the supposed mob is far too intelligent to do your evil will.

FxMasterz:
Buda is cleared.

Triplechoice should take note.

However, I have never witnessed any Nairaland atheist sharing religious materials for the purpose of education except for criticism.

If that means atheists don't have the same constraints religious people have, it means atheists don't actually know what they're doing. I cannot teach anyone about something I don't believe in. That's hypocrisy.

Buda is cleared of being called out for hypocrisy but lordreed has said it's a general thing among atheists.

It is not hypocrisy exactly because we don't see it as something to believe. It is like teaching someone about Aesop's Fables, they are stories meant to convey some sort of morality or practical advice. Aesop doesn't need you to believe that the sun can talk because it says so in a story, no. Learn the lesson the story is trying to convey. That is how we view your religious text.

sometimes too it might be a merely academic reference, like telling you what book and chapter the story of Bathseba and David is in. It doesn't mean we believe the Bible.

DeepSight:
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Let me slide into this from a different direction. From my ardent defense of the rights of Palestinians many people seem to presume I am a lover of Islam.

An ideology and religion that I actually detest.

But why would I not, from conscience, believe that a people must be free?

Spot on. We can total promote what is good and just without believing the religious dogma.

triplechoice:
Your response completely misses the point and misrepresents the nature of my accusation. This was never about whether an atheist can "share educative materials"

The issue is the context, content, and intent behind Buda' s actions,which go far beyond neutral sharing .

An atheist might share a Bible verse to critique it . Buda created a post advertising the benefits of joining AMORC, using the word, "We", and providing direct links for recruitment.No principled atheist recruits for spiritual organisation whose core tenets they reject.

Moreover, an atheist critiques religious claims. Budaatum has a history of passionately defending AMORC 's specific doctrines and materials from external criticism. He acts as a guardian of their beliefs,not a Skeptic of them.

Furthermore, if Budaatum is a true atheist,he should reject AMORC's teachings on the soul, cosmic consciousness,and mental alchemy as unscientific. So why would he promote and defend books containing these very doctrines?. This is the heart of the intellectual dishonesty .

Sharing a religious text for critical analysis is one thing.Actively recruiting for a religious-esoteric order and defending its dogma is another. The former is consistent with atheism, the latter is the behaviour of an advocate or a member

The evidence shows Budaatum has consistently done the latter. That's the accusation, and it remains unaddressed

Please don't allow Budaatum to trick you and make you defend him concerning this.

He has no reasonable defense to give.

Here below is an screenshot of the post where Budaatum advertised the benefits of joining Amorc, attaching contact details for whom to contact in Nigeria and with a link to download their Introductory material for potential new members.

And you call this what?

Sharing educational materials. Abeg

@FxMasterz ,I have been engaged with other things hence the reason I couldn't reply immediately to Budaatum latest attempt to create confusion. Look at the image below and ask Lordreed how is it equivalent to sharing educational materials about AMORC.


Use the link below to visit the thread where it was taken from .The title of the thread alone is enough for anyone who knows about the Order to know it was created by an initiate of the group. I just dey laugh.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4289185

I was responding to FxMasterz and apparently, he sees the point. If you think your accusation has not been properly addressed, then that's between you and budaatum.