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triplechoice:
Your hypothetical scenario is a false equivalence that ignores the specific context of Buda's actions.

Posting a single JW link in a neutral discussion is not the same as what Buda' did. The evidence shows a consistent pattern .

He didn't just drop a link. He used the first person "we" to describe AMORC and outlined the benefits one would gain by engaging with the group. This frames the information as an endorsement, not a neutral reference.

The link in the post was to download AMORC 's introductory materials, which are explicitly designed for potential new members,not for critical analysis.

This wasn't a one -off event. It is long history of him defending AMORC's doctrines from criticism, an action that makes no sense for a true atheist . He has never criticized the group instead what you find each time Amorc comes under attack is that Budaatum is always there to defend it.

Let me use your analogy correctly. If I consistently used "we"when talking about JWs, praised the benefits of being a Jehovah's Witness, distribute their "what we Believe" brochures,and passionately defended their doctrines online,you would be right to conclude I was an advocate or a member, even if I never explicitly said the words"please join"

The intent is clear from the totality of the actions . Buda wasn't just "sharing a link"he was promoting a group he is clearly affiliated with.

Members of Amorc are everywhere and they hardly reveal publicly their affiliation to the group. It is the same with Buda Visit the thread where he made that post and noticed that the title of the thread was written using the language only members of Amorc can understand.

The intent is clear from the totality of the actions. Buda wasn't just "sharing a link"; he was promoting a group he is clearly affiliated with.

See below the title of the thread for confirmation. It evidenced it is not the creation of an outsider. I am not the only person on Nairaland who knows Buda is an initiate of Amorc. I almost joined the group.So I know what I am talking about.

It is Latin which they mostly used in communicating certain messages within the group.

Quote 2 places budaatum defended AMORC from attack.

triplechoice:
The floor is still open for you to explain your documented actions.No amount of drama changes that

I do not have to explain myself to you any further than I have, triple, and its seeming more and more that I don't need to defend myself neither, as your accusations are sounding more like damp squid the more you make them.

But you do please keep up with the drama, as it is entertaining watching you drown yourself.

Meedon:
Does this AMORC books have any story concerning Jesus the Christ? And can I download free copies online?

You clearly have not been following triple's allegation. For one thread of his angst actually began with The Mystical Life of Jesus.

https://www.nairaland.com/4793988/mystical-life#72173050

But the link stopped working, and got lost while trying to update it so here is it again.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books-the-mystical-life-of-jesus

And here is another called The Secret Doctrines of Jesus.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books-the-secret-doctrines-of-jesus

There are likely audio versions somewhere, so I will look for them too and post when found.

Do note it says, "Become a Member", so be reminded of my ma's koboko please.

https://www.nairaland.com/7731741/mission/14#137528440

And yes. "story". Don't you ever forget.

budaatum:
You clearly have not been following triple's allegation. For one thread of his angst actually began with The Mystical Life of Jesus.

https://www.nairaland.com/4793988/mystical-life#72173050

But the link stopped working, and got lost while trying to update it so here is it again.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books-the-mystical-life-of-jesus

And here is another called The Secret Doctrines of Jesus.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books-the-secret-doctrines-of-jesus

There are likely audio versions somewhere, so I will look for them too and post when found.

Do note it says, "Become a Member", so be reminded of my ma's koboko please.

https://www.nairaland.com/7731741/mission/14#137528440

And yes. "story". Don't you ever forget.

Do you in anyway want to use your ma's koboko to coerce me into becoming a member?

Meedon:
Do you in anyway want to use your ma's koboko to coerce me into becoming a member?

Is that what you understand ma's koboko was used for, to coerce buda into becoming a member?

LordReed:
Quote 2 places budaatum defended AMORC from attack.

With all due respect Reed, your bias is becoming more transparent .

I have already provided direct links to the evidence. You're now engaging in a tactic called "sealioning", the repeated bad-faith demand for evidence that has already been presented,to create a false impression that it doesn't exist

You didn't just join the thread.You have been here from the beginning and even from where it all began.

My previous reply to your JW analogy dismantled your argument by explaining the critical difference between neutral sharing and active promotion. You have not engaged with that rebuttal at all. Instead you are attempting to move the goalposts.

Sorry, I will not be led on this endless chase. The burden is no longer on me to repost what is already available.

It is now on you to either, engage substantively with the evidence and arguments I have already provided,or admit that you're not here for a good faith-discussion.

And until you do one of these,I will take your request as exactly what it is ,a deflection.

Don't forget you already admitted your bias and so based on this, you cannot be an honest judge here.. This line of questioning is closed

Thank you once again for your help

triplechoice:
With all due respect Reed, your bias is becoming more transparent .

I have already provided direct links to the evidence. You're now engaging in a tactic called "sealioning", the repeated bad-faith demand for evidence that has already been presented,to create a false impression that it doesn't exist

You didn't just join the thread.You have been here from the beginning and even from where it all began.

My previous reply to your JW analogy dismantled your argument by explaining the critical difference between neutral sharing and active promotion. You have not engaged with that rebuttal at all. Instead you are attempting to move the goalposts.

Sorry, I will not be led on this endless chase. The burden is no longer on me to repost what is already available.

It is now on you to either, engage substantively with the evidence and arguments I have already provided,or admit that you're not here for a good faith-discussion.

And until you do one of these,I will take your request as exactly what it is ,a deflection.

Don't forget you already admitted your bias and so based on this, you cannot be an honest judge here.. This line of questioning is closed

Thank you once again for your help

How is it bias to ask you for the evidence for what you are saying? You claimed that budaatum always rises to defend AMORC when it is attacked, asking you to show evidence of that is now bias? Be for freakin real please.

Sealioning? Where did you link evidence of budaatum defending AMORC from attack?

Don't use my statement as an excuse to not show the evidence, that is a punk move. Show the evidence let everyone see that budaatum is doing what you said was done. I am not the only one who will see it so how is my bias now going close the eyes of every other person? Abeg jor.

budaatum:
Is that what you understand ma's koboko was used for, to coerce buda into becoming a member?

Well the way I sees it might be different from the way you do. Can you make me understand according to how you see it?

LordReed:
How is it bias to ask you for the evidence for what you are saying? You claimed that budaatum always rises to defend AMORC when it is attacked, asking you to show evidence of that is now bias? Be for freakin real please.

Sealioning? Where did you link evidence of budaatum defending AMORC from attack?

Don't use my statement as an excuse to not show the evidence, that is a punk move. Show the evidence let everyone see that budaatum is doing what you said was done. I am not the only one who will see it so how is my bias now going close the eyes of every other person? Abeg jor.

Your emotional reaction and selective reading prove my point. This is no longer a good-faith request. It is a deflection.

The links have been posted in this thread. The fact that you have either missed them or are pretending they don't exist is not my problem. Other users like,FxMasterz have seen them and engaged with the substance, which is why the conversation has moved forward. You are choosing to remain behind, demanding I repeat what is already on the record .

Moreover, you have completely ignored my substantive reply to your "JW website"analogy where I explained the critical difference between neutral sharing and active promotion and defense. You are not entitled to make new demands while refusing to engage with the answers you've already been given

Your tactic is very obvious and it is not an inquiry. Your demand for me to "mention two places" is a deliberate attempt to fracture a complete story into isolated,out-of-context fragments. The evidence I provided,the promotional thread,and the documented pattern of defense, tells a coherent story of attachment

So, it would be a silly and insulting request to ask me to produce a post where Buda explicitly writes "I am a member of AMORC here to defend it". Members of such groups,and Buda' in particular, operate through implication, promotion,and defense,not explicit confession.Anyone who doesn't know this ,is naive and ignorant.

The entire narrative is clear. Asking me to break this story into meaningless checklist is an insult to the intelligence of everyone who has been following this presentation

The burden is no longer on me to repost public links to your personal benefit. If you are sincerely curious, something you could have done at any point was to ask your friend, Buda' directly, "Hey, did you defend AMORC's doctrinal books in the past or when the Order came under attack in this forum? "Is that what triplechoice is referring to?

His answer would be more revealing than any further performance from you.

This deflection is over. I will not repost what is already before the public until you engage with the "JW website" rebuttal from me. Thank you

Hello everyone,

Later today,I will present a critical analysis of the thread titled:

"Manifesto-Positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis"

Created by Buda.

I will break down the meaning of this Latin title and explain what its use reveals about who created the thread. This analysis will be crucial to understanding why technical attempt was made to hide it after its discovery by me on his profile

Make sure you don't miss it. If someone wants to scam or deceive you they use what they know you're ignorant of to do so. Come back here to read what you don't know so you're not longer deceived or confused.

Cc FxMasterz, Meedon, Heatseeker OLAADEGBU

Meedon:
Well the way I sees it might be different from the way you do. Can you make me understand according to how you see it?

No, sorry, I will not make you understand how I see it, because the story I told with the koboko is very simple and clear, and I've added enough context for the most simple minded to understand what is meant and see how I see it, that if you don't understand, nothing else I say will help you understand or see any better.

Thankfully, whatever you decide to do is not up to me since I am not your commander, I hope.

triplechoice:
Hello everyone,

Later today,I will present a critical analysis of the thread titled:

"Manifesto-Positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis"

Created by Buda.

I will break down the meaning of this Latin title and explain what its use reveals about who created the thread. This analysis will be crucial to understanding why technical attempt was made to hide it after its discovery by me on his profile

Make sure you don't miss it. If someone wants to scam or deceive you they use what they know you're ignorant of to do so. Come back here to read what you don't know so you're not longer deceived or confused.

Cc FxMasterz, Meedon, Heatseeker OLAADEGBU

You missed out the rest of your audience, so I'll add them for you so they don't miss this.

triplechoice:
To: The Nairaland Community,

Cc
DeepSight, Lordreed, Unknownunkown, AOO1, Guobe, naptu, Racoon, Antichristian, MaxinDhouse, , Meedon, lawani, Produh, OLAADEGBU, Fxmasterz, SpencerForbes, Jesusjnr2020, Kobojunkie, Ken4Christ, Truthseeker10, SmartPolician, sow4me, ReacherSaidNoth

triplechoice:
Hello everyone,

Later today,I will present a critical analysis of the thread titled:

"Manifesto-Positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis"

Created by Buda.

I will break down the meaning of this Latin title and explain what its use reveals about who created the thread. This analysis will be crucial to understanding why technical attempt was made to hide it after its discovery by me on his profile

Make sure you don't miss it. If someone wants to scam or deceive you they use what they know you're ignorant of to do so. Come back here to read what you don't know so you're not longer deceived or confused.

Cc FxMasterz, Meedon, Heatseeker OLAADEGBU

Fingers crossed.

This two boyfriends abi boyfriend and girlfriend have come again. Today I’m present 👍 I thought you both have resolved your conflicts 😂

Seems I’m late already

budaatum:
No, sorry, I will not make you understand how I see it, because the story I told with the koboko is very simple and clear, and I've added enough context for the most simple minded to understand what is meant and see how I see it, that if you don't understand, nothing else I say will help you understand or see any better.

Thankfully, whatever you decide to do is not up to me since I am not your commander, I hope.

I will have to ponder on it perhaps I might understand it more

SpencerForbes:
This two boyfriends abi boyfriend and girlfriend have come again. Today I’m present 👍 I thought you both have resolved your conflicts 😂

Seems I’m late already

More exposure is underway and we are anticipating the time all will be bared out. We seriously can't wait...

triplechoice:
Hello everyone,

Later today,I will present a critical analysis of the thread titled:

"Manifesto-Positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis"

Created by Buda.

I will break down the meaning of this Latin title and explain what its use reveals about who created the thread. This analysis will be crucial to understanding why technical attempt was made to hide it after its discovery by me on his profile

Make sure you don't miss it. If someone wants to scam or deceive you they use what they know you're ignorant of to do so. Come back here to read what you don't know so you're not longer deceived or confused.

Cc FxMasterz, Meedon, Heatseeker OLAADEGBU

Do well to mention me when the thread is ready for perusing.

Triplechoice, I’ve been observing your post regarding Budaatum and have a few questions and observations about the matter.

First, what concrete evidence do you have that Budaatum is genuinely a member of AMORC? I ask because promoting something, like the Illuminati, doesn't automatically make someone a member, and posting a phone number doesn't guarantee it belongs to the poster.

Second, did you actually try calling the number? If you did, did Budaatum answer and confirm their identity? The contact provided could easily belong to another person or even a fraudster, given the number of fake accounts we see online. How are you certain that number is theirs?

Third, why do you think Budaatum would want to deny their religious or spiritual affiliation? We have many members who are openly proud atheists or occultists here. If they are truly a member of an organization like AMORC, the denial seems strange. Why not openly declare it, perhaps encouraging others?

For instance, we have a moniker like esoterictemple who is openly associated with occultic affiliations, despite some people's opinions on their posts. I was raised Christian, and even though I no longer attend church, I still identify as such; I'd only deny being a Muslim or pagan, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate Greek and Egyptian mythology. If they are truly a member, the denial seems counterintuitive.

SpencerForbes:
First, what concrete evidence do you have that Budaatum is genuinely a member of AMORC? I ask because promoting something, like the Illuminati, doesn't automatically make someone a member, and posting a phone number doesn't guarantee it belongs to the poster.

Forgive me, but this "posting a phone number" is very new to me.

Is it an observation of yours that buda posted s phone number, or an accusation of triplechoice?

Could you show where please?

Thanks in advance.

budaatum:
Forgive me, but this "posting a phone number" is very new to me.

Is it an observation of yours that buda posted s phone number, or an accusation of triplechoice?

Could you show where please?

Thanks in advance.

I think it should be this post. Where you wrote ‘Nigeria contact details’

SpencerForbes:
I think it should be this post. Where you wrote ‘Nigeria contact details’

Ah, indeed. Thank you. Here is a link to the post.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4312040

Annoyingly, the links in that post do not work anymore, but I've corrected the link to the books mentioned when Triple kindly brought it to my attention.

budaatum:
Triplechoice has thankfully brought it to my attention that some of the links here no more work. Below is an updated link.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books

budaatum:
Ah, indeed. Thank you. Here is a link to the post.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4312040

Annoyingly, the links in that post do not work anymore, but I've corrected the link to the books mentioned when Triple kindly brought it to my attention.

Nah….. I ain’t gonna read any occult book till I’m sure this isn’t marketing gimmicks and you both aren’t playing mind games to recruit new members. But I’ll look it up later😊

SpencerForbes:
Nah….. I ain’t gonna read any occult book till I’m sure this isn’t marketing gimmicks and you both aren’t playing mind games to recruit new members. But I’ll look it up later😊

buda is not asking you to read what you do not want to read, and you don't need to look up now or later what you don't want to.

Funny though that you'd think triple and I are "playing games to recruit new members", lol. Are you accusing Triplechoice of being a member of AMORC too, and working in cohorts with buda?

It is a thought I too would have, because this thread can certainly be said to be "marketing gimmicks" to promote something.

budaatum:
buda is not asking you to read what you do not want to read, and you don't need to look up now or later what you don't want to.

Funny though that you'd think triple and I are "playing games to recruit new members", lol. Are you accusing Triplechoice of being a member of AMORC too, and working in cohorts with buda?

It is a thought I too would have, because this thread can certainly be said to be "marketing gimmicks" to promote something.

I’m still skeptical. The constant reference to AMORC is glaring and I don’t still get the point behind the thread. Till he answer my questions, I’ll keep watching how it’s gonna end.

If you’re a constant nairalander, you’ll be called so many names and sometimes it’s just funny. So I see no reason for the thread just because someone called him a liar.

SpencerForbes:
I’m still skeptical. The constant reference to AMORC is glaring and I don’t still get the point behind the thread. Till he answer my questions, I’ll keep watching how it’s gonna end.

If you’re a constant nairalander, you’ll be called so many names and sometimes it’s just funny. So I see no reason for the thread just because someone called him a liar.

You really couldn't imagine how many names I've been called and for how long, and how funny it really is that people who can't even figure out my gender would think they could describe my soul, or think I'd care what gnats call me, lol.

triplechoice:
Your emotional reaction and selective reading prove my point. This is no longer a good-faith request. It is a deflection.

The links have been posted in this thread. The fact that you have either missed them or are pretending they don't exist is not my problem. Other users like,FxMasterz have seen them and engaged with the substance, which is why the conversation has moved forward. You are choosing to remain behind, demanding I repeat what is already on the record .

Moreover, you have completely ignored my substantive reply to your "JW website"analogy where I explained the critical difference between neutral sharing and active promotion and defense. You are not entitled to make new demands while refusing to engage with the answers you've already been given

Your tactic is very obvious and it is not an inquiry. Your demand for me to "mention two places" is a deliberate attempt to fracture a complete story into isolated,out-of-context fragments. The evidence I provided,the promotional thread,and the documented pattern of defense, tells a coherent story of attachment

So, it would be a silly and insulting request to ask me to produce a post where Buda explicitly writes "I am a member of AMORC here to defend it". Members of such groups,and Buda' in particular, operate through implication, promotion,and defense,not explicit confession.Anyone who doesn't know this ,is naive and ignorant.

The entire narrative is clear. Asking me to break this story into meaningless checklist is an insult to the intelligence of everyone who has been following this presentation

The burden is no longer on me to repost public links to your personal benefit. If you are sincerely curious, something you could have done at any point was to ask your friend, Buda' directly, "Hey, did you defend AMORC's doctrinal books in the past or when the Order came under attack in this forum? "Is that what triplechoice is referring to?

His answer would be more revealing than any further performance from you.

This deflection is over. I will not repost what is already before the public until you engage with the "JW website" rebuttal from me. Thank you

You are the one deflecting. It's simple matter for you to say on what page of this thread you posted the evidence or link to the evidence of budaatum defending AMORC from attack but instead here you are behaving the exact way you are accusing me of. LoLz.

At this point all you have is accusations, lengthy posts will not deflect from the lack of evidence. I will not do your homework for you to go look for it for you.

budaatum:
You really couldn't imagine how many names I've been called and for how long, and how funny it really is that people who can't even figure out my gender would think they could describe my soul, or think I'd care what gnats call me, lol.

It’s funny how they think they could figure out someone on a faceless forum just by their moniker. I’ve even been called a divul (don’t know what that means), immature teenager etc and all I can do is laugh. So I want to really know what’s going on in triplechoice’s mind and if it’s solely because he was called a liar….. That would be really comedic.

SpencerForbes:
It’s funny how they think they could figure out someone on a faceless forum just by their moniker. I’ve even been called a divul (don’t know what that means), immature teenager etc and all I can do is laugh. So I want to really know what’s going on in triplechoice mind and if it’s solely because he was called a liar….. That would be really comedic.

Our fallout started, I think, when he expected me to support things he thought I would because he assumed I was a member of an organisation that supports what he believes and therefore cannot be an atheist. He threatened to expose me then and has been trying ever since.

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/28#113621084

triplechoice:
Coming up with this now is not only disappointing but proof iof you trying manipulate me wiith the dark tactics the orgainsaruon I know you belong to has taught you. I know those who belong there from what they say and do.
Don't try it on me . You will certainly regret it I am familiar with these tactics. Going further will have me exposing you to the world.
Keep it to your self. I have warned you for the last time. Keep to your lane from now henceforth and let me keep to mine

Wasted my time I can now understand why deepsight left.

This very naughty buda refused to keep to buda's lane, and appears to be sufficiently powerful enough to ensure triple leaves his lane.

LordReed:
You are the one deflecting. It's simple matter for you to say on what page of this thread you posted the evidence or link to the evidence of budaatum defending AMORC from attack but instead here you are behaving the exact way you are accusing me of. LoLz.

At this point all you have is accusations, lengthy posts will not deflect from the lack of evidence. I will not do your homework for you to go look for it for you.

I said, finish what you started first before jumping to another.

LordReed:
You are the one deflecting. It's simple matter for you to say on what page of this thread you posted the evidence or link to the evidence of budaatum defending AMORC from attack but instead here you are behaving the exact way you are accusing me of. LoLz.

At this point all you have is accusations, lengthy posts will not deflect from the lack of evidence. I will not do your homework for you to go look for it for you.

Its not the first time he has made claims he can not support with evidence, my Lord, and just expects his word to be taken for it. And he is offended when it's not, hence this sort of payback thread from him, though I'd call it a shoot himself in the foot thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/27#113600432

triplechoice:
I said, finish what you started first before jumping to another.

I want to see a Page number, no story.

budaatum:
Its not the first time he has made claims he can not support with evidence, my Lord, and just expects his word to be taken for it. And he is offended when it's not, hence this sort of payback thread from him, though I'd call it a shoot himself in the foot thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/27#113600432

Yeah, I would have thought he would know by now that doesn't work with me.