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SpencerForbes:
Triplechoice, I’ve been observing your post regarding Budaatum and have a few questions and observations about the matter.

First, what concrete evidence do you have that Budaatum is genuinely a member of AMORC? I ask because promoting something, like the Illuminati, doesn't automatically make someone a member, and posting a phone number doesn't guarantee it belongs to the poster.

Second, did you actually try calling the number? If you did, did Budaatum answer and confirm their identity? The contact provided could easily belong to another person or even a fraudster, given the number of fake accounts we see online. How are you certain that number is theirs?

Third, why do you think Budaatum would want to deny their religious or spiritual affiliation? We have many members who are openly proud atheists or occultists here. If they are truly a member of an organization like AMORC, the denial seems strange. Why not openly declare it, perhaps encouraging others?

For instance, we have a moniker like esoterictemple who is openly associated with occultic affiliations, despite some people's opinions on their posts. I was raised Christian, and even though I no longer attend church, I still identify as such; I'd only deny being a Muslim or pagan, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate Greek and Egyptian mythology. If they are truly a member, the denial seems counterintuitive.

Thanks for your brilliant and well reasoned set of questions. I genuinely appreciate them, since they show you're following this matter keenly and thinking critically about it.

You've actually raised several of the key points,I was planning to address in my next segment, where I will analyse the critical thread titled: "Manifesto -Positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis"

Your timing is perfect.

So, please allow me to present that analysis first,as it will provide essential context that directly addresses the heart of your questions, specifically, "why should he hide"? and what the nature of the evidence truly reveals .

It has become clear to me that many people are judging this situation based on common assumptions, without access to the specific information and context about how such groups operate. Buda has been capitalising on this. But my upcoming post will shed light on this

So, I ask for your patience. I will ensure your questions are answered thoroughly immediately after the analysis. Your engagement is valued, and I want to provide you with the most complete picture possible .

Time will be around 8pm today.

LordReed:
Yeah, I would have thought he would know by now that doesn't work with me.

I'd have thought he would know by now that doesn't work at all. But I guess when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything must be nailed.

Here we go.

First thing first.

The title of the thread which contains the "Smoking,-gun evidence is:

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4312040

"manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis"

It is Latin

My analysis of this title

" Manifesto": A public declaration of policy and aims ( from Latin manifests,"clear, evident ')

"Positio": Position, thesis,or statement

"Fraternitatis": Of the Brotherhood (genitive case of fraternitas)

"Rosae Crucis" Of the Rosy Cross (genitive case of Rosa Crucis)

A literal and meaningful translation of the entire title would be: "Manifesto on the Position of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood", or "A statement of the Fraternity of the Rosy Cross"

Now, can an outsider Use this?

This is the critical question,and the answer strongly supports my accusation

It' is highly unlikely for an outsider to use it. A genuine outsider or casual "quoter" would almost certainly use a comom English title like, "The Rosicrucian Manifesto", or AMORC'ss Position ". The use of a full grammatically correct Latin title demonstrates a level of familiarity and intentionality that goes far beyond a neutral observer

What does the title signify?

It signals Affiliation and Esoteric knowledge.

Latin is the traditional language of Western esotericism, scholarship, and ritual. Using it is a deliberate signal of being "in the know", an insider,not an outsider.

By titling his thread this way,he wasn't just sharing information,he was framing it within the specific tradition and linguistic code of the group itself. This is an act of identification

The title of the thread functions as a Shibboleth. This is the use off language to distinguish members of one group from another. The Latin title used by Budaatum functions as a Shibboleth. It immediately signal to other members or knowledgeable individuals that the poster is operating within the esoteric tradition
Conversely, it might seem obscure or pretentious to a general audience, which is likely the point .

What can we draw from this?

As someone who almost join the group after reading their books and observing their members from very close quarters to the extent of visiting one of their leaders to have further discussion concerning the Order , I can tell everyone reading this with all certainty that the formal Latin title used by Buda in his thread was not the action of a neutral atheist "quoting", a group. It was the action of someone who identities with the group's tradition and was using its own formal, esoteric language to communicate

This directly contradicts his defense of being a detached observer and confirms his affiliation. He is deeply embedded in the group's culture and practices

To be continued. Let me have my dinner . I will be back . cc @FxMasterz, Meedon, OLAADEGBU, SpencerForbes

joseph1832, I note the latin Sic Vis Pacem Parabellum in your signature.

Please state whether this is indication that you are "operating within the (or any) esoteric tradition" please.

I specifically ask you because you can possibly use your mind. Thank you in advance.

And on that note.

Zanoni, a timeless Rosicrucian brother, cannot fall in love without losing his power of immortality; but he does fall in love with Viola Pisani, a promising young opera singer from Naples, the daughter of Pisani, a misunderstood Italian violinist. An English gentleman named Glyndon loves Viola as well, but is indecisive about proposing marriage, and then renounces his love in order to pursue occult study.

The story develops in the days of the French Revolution in 1789. Zanoni has lived since the Chaldean civilization. His master Mejnor warns him against a love affair but Zanoni does not heed. He finally marries Viola and they have a child. As Zanoni experiences an increase in humanity, he begins to lose his gift of immortality. ( Summary by Wikipedia )

https://archive.org/details/zanoni_1111_librivox

triplechoice:
This directly contradicts his defense of being a detached observer and confirms his affiliation.

cc @FxMasterz, Meedon, OLAADEGBU, SpencerForbes

Please know that buda is not a "detached observe" , since "detached observers" do not get off their asses to go and undetachedly observe!

Below is evidence to prove it.

https://www.nairaland.com/7762141/rosicrucian-order-visit

budaatum:
Please know that buda is not a "detached observe" , since "detached observers" do not get off their asses to go and undetachedly observe!

Below is evidence to prove it.

https://www.nairaland.com/7762141/rosicrucian-order-visit

Triple choice:
They clearly said they wouldn’t join in the thread so what led to your conclusion they later joined or they might just be an admirer or a lover of the order.

It might also be copy and paste since there’s no photo of them there. The images might even be gotten from google.

I do write in latin (even on nairaland) I’ve been to Catholic Church a lot of times, I grew up with rosary and I even have one now and I can even say their prayers (Hail Mary) does that makes me one?

I’m still expecting something concrete.

SpencerForbes:
Triple choice:
They clearly said they wouldn’t join in the thread so what led to your conclusion they later joined or they might just be an admirer or a lover of the order.

It might also be copy and paste since there’s no photo of them there. The images might even be gotten from google.

I do write in latin (even on nairaland) I’ve been to Catholic Church a lot of times, I grew up with rosary and I even have one now and I can even say their prayers (Hail Mary) does that makes me one?

I’m still expecting something concrete.

I am definitely copying and pasting, since I did not write any of the books I'm posting here.

Links are included so the copy and paste can not be assumed to be mine.

budaatum:
I am definitely copying and pasting, since I did not write any of the books I'm posting here.

Links are included so the copy and paste can not be assumed to be mine.

Okay I’ll also love to hear from triplechoice why he thinks you’re part of them so we can finally put the feud to rest. You being there doesn’t also justify because I’ve been to more than 30 churches but I only identify with one. I’ve been to churches ranging from JW, Latter Day Saints, Roman Catholic, Anglican even to the Pentecostal churches around and I’ve read so many of their books (as a lover of knowledge) but that doesn’t make me one so I’m still waiting for his bulletpoints.

SpencerForbes:
I’ve been to churches ranging from JW, Latter Day Saints, Roman Catholic, Anglican even to the Pentecostal churches around and I’ve read so many of their books (as a lover of knowledge) but that doesn’t make me one so I’m still waiting for his bulletpoints.

I'm going to church this Sunday. I've got this old friend who likes walking though many in her congregation would kindly drive her. I'm taking her on what would be a 10 minute walk for me but will take us about an hour.

I am an atheist, and she and her congregation know. They heap blessings on me for caring.

triplechoice:
Here we go.

First thing first.

The title of the thread which contains the "Smoking,-gun evidence is:

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4312040

"manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis"

It is Latin

My analysis of this title

" Manifesto": A public declaration of policy and aims ( from Latin manifests,"clear, evident ')

"Positio": Position, thesis,or statement

"Fraternitatis": Of the Brotherhood (genitive case of fraternitas)

"Rosae Crucis" Of the Rosy Cross (genitive case of Rosa Crucis)

A literal and meaningful translation of the entire title would be: "Manifesto on the Position of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood", or "A statement of the Fraternity of the Rosy Cross"

Now, can an outsider Use this?

This is the critical question,and the answer strongly supports my accusation

It' is highly unlikely for an outsider to use it. A genuine outsider or casual "quoter" would almost certainly use a comom English title like, "The Rosicrucian Manifesto", or AMORC'ss Position ". The use of a full grammatically correct Latin title demonstrates a level of familiarity and intentionality that goes far beyond a neutral observer

What does the title signify?

It signals Affiliation and Esoteric knowledge.

Latin is the traditional language of Western esotericism, scholarship, and ritual. Using it is a deliberate signal of being "in the know", an insider,not an outsider.

By titling his thread this way,he wasn't just sharing information,he was framing it within the specific tradition and linguistic code of the group itself. This is an act of identification

The title of the thread functions as a Shibboleth. This is the use off language to distinguish members of one group from another. The Latin title used by Budaatum functions as a Shibboleth. It immediately signal to other members or knowledgeable individuals that the poster is operating within the esoteric tradition
Conversely, it might seem obscure or pretentious to a general audience, which is likely the point .

What can we draw from this?

As someone who almost join the group after reading their books and observing their members from very close quarters to the extent of visiting one of their leaders to have further discussion concerning the Order , I can tell everyone reading this with all certainty that the formal Latin title used by Buda in his thread was not the action of a neutral atheist "quoting", a group. It was the action of someone who identities with the group's tradition and was using its own formal, esoteric language to communicate

This directly contradicts his defense of being a detached observer and confirms his affiliation. He is deeply embedded in the group's culture and practices

To be continued. Let me have my dinner . I will be back . cc @FxMasterz, Meedon, OLAADEGBU, SpencerForbes

The evidence is strong especially given your explanations but Budaatum still denies. It is true that he could just be copying and pasting what he found interesting to him. The only way to expose him is for him to give us his source. The source of the post must have a title that matches the Latin title here word for word. Otherwise, Buda coined the title himself. And if that's the case, his membership of the cult is confirmed.

That is also to say if the source does not have a matching Latin titlecwith the title of the thread, it then means that the title of the thread was Budaatum's own words. And if that's the case, he is a confirmed member of the cult. Since you already established that only members of the cult can you such a shibboleth. However, if the latin title of this thread matches his source, then, you still have more to do to establish your allegations. It means he just copied the shibboleth without knowing what he was doing.

However, I observed that budaatum didn't introduce the thread as a piece he found online and just felt like sharing. He shared it as as though it was a post by himself from himself in support of the belief system he wants to introduce. Why did I say this? This is because, normally, if you do not belong to a sect, you'll first write a disclaimer before sharing anything from them. At least you would detach yourself from the group using your disclaimer. Budaatum wrote many threads from Amorc without any such disclaimers and without any brief introduction stating why he is sharing even though he has no membership with the group. Hence, he cannot blame anyone for identifying him with the cult.

This did disclaimer issue because stringer given that the wordings of the post also constantly use the words 'We' and 'our' in its sentences, which without a prior disclaimer, identifies buda as being an integral part of the 'we' and the 'our' of the post. Especially when sharing the manifestos of a group you don't belong to, you cannot do that without a disclaimer. A manifesto for that matter!

These are already very strong indicators. However, I would like to see if Buda's copied the title of the thread directly from the source of the article or he coined the title by himself in Latin.

FxMasterz:
The evidence is strong especially given your explanations but Budaatum still denies. It is true that he could just be copying and pasting what he found interesting to him. The only way to expose him is for him to give us his source. The source of the post must have a title that matches the Latin title here word for word. Otherwise, Buda coined the title himself. And if that's the case, his membership of the cult is confirmed.

That is also to say if the source does not have a matching Latin titlecwith the title of the thread, it then means that the title of the thread was Budaatum's own words. And if that's the case, he is a confirmed member of the cult. Since you already established that only members of the cult can you such a shibboleth. However, if the latin title of this thread matches his source, then, you still have more to do to establish your allegations. It means he just copied the shibboleth without knowing what he was doing.

However, I observed that budaatum didn't introduce the thread as a piece he found online and just felt like sharing. He shared it as as though it was a post by himself from himself in support of the belief system he wants to introduce. Why did I say this? This is because, normally, if you do not belong to a sect, you'll first write a disclaimer before sharing anything from them. At least you would detach yourself from the group using your disclaimer. Budaatum wrote many threads from Amorc without any such disclaimers and without any brief introduction stating why he is sharing even though he has no membership with the group. Hence, he cannot blame anyone for identifying him with the cult.

This did disclaimer issue because stringer given that the wordings of the post also constantly use the words 'We' and 'our' in its sentences, which without a prior disclaimer, identifies buda as being an integral part of the 'we' and the 'our' of the post. Especially when sharing the manifestos of a group you don't belong to, you cannot do that without a disclaimer. A manifesto for that matter!

These are already very strong indicators. However, I would like to see if Buda's copied the title of the thread directly from the source of the article or he coined the title by himself in Latin.

I’m not here to defend budaatum but if we’re to judge clearly, there were signs it was copied and pasted because it had copyright signatures on it. For it to have copyright signature, the manifesto wasn’t written by budaatum. How she got it, I’m not sure but even as little as 10 years, I had read the Book of Mormon, doctrines and covenants, Catholic encyclopedia and even the mysterious power of psalms. So what if I write them on nairaland, does that makes me a member, no!

But I’m still doing my findings and if I find anything incriminating, I’ll do best to post it here.

FxMasterz:
The evidence is strong especially given your explanations but Budaatum still denies. It is true that he could just be copying and pasting what he found interesting to him. The only way to expose him is for him to give us his source. The source of the post must have a title that matches the Latin title here word for word. Otherwise, Buda coined the title himself. And if that's the case, his membership of the cult is confirmed.

That is also to say if the source does not have a matching Latin titlecwith the title of the thread, it then means that the title of the thread was Budaatum's own words. And if that's the case, he is a confirmed member of the cult. Since you already established that only members of the cult can you such a shibboleth. However, if the latin title of this thread matches his source, then, you still have more to do to establish your allegations. It means he just copied the shibboleth without knowing what he was doing.

However, I observed that budaatum didn't introduce the thread as a piece he found online and just felt like sharing. He shared it as as though it was a post by himself from himself in support of the belief system he wants to introduce. Why did I say this? This is because, normally, if you do not belong to a sect, you'll first write a disclaimer before sharing anything from them. At least you would detach yourself from the group using your disclaimer. Budaatum wrote many threads from Amorc without any such disclaimers and without any brief introduction stating why he is sharing even though he has no membership with the group. Hence, he cannot blame anyone for identifying him with the cult.

This did disclaimer issue because stringer given that the wordings of the post also constantly use the words 'We' and 'our' in its sentences, which without a prior disclaimer, identifies buda as being an integral part of the 'we' and the 'our' of the post. Especially when sharing the manifestos of a group you don't belong to, you cannot do that without a disclaimer. A manifesto for that matter!

These are already very strong indicators. However, I would like to see if Buda's copied the title of the thread directly from the source of the article or he coined the title by himself in Latin.

It actually has a book and a non member can teach about it. So we need more evidences.

FxMasterz:
The only way to expose him is for him to give us his source. The source of the post must have a title that matches the Latin title here word for word. Otherwise, Buda coined the title himself. And if that's the case, his membership of the cult is confirmed.

I'm very certain this will in no way convince you otherwise, but here it is all the same.

https://amorc.org.uk/sites/default/files/media-files/positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis.pdf

Now, what say ye?

SpencerForbes:
I’m still skeptical. The constant reference to AMORC is glaring and I don’t still get the point behind the thread. Till he answer my questions, I’ll keep watching how it’s gonna end.

If you’re a constant nairalander, you’ll be called so many names and sometimes it’s just funny. So I see no reason for the thread just because someone called him a liar.

Budaatum is leading you astray. This is not because he called me a liar. When I am done with my presentation, he will explain what led to the creation of this thread.

It is not what you're thinking.

While awaiting FxMasterz's judgement on my previous, I post here another key Rosicrucian document.

Fama Fraternitatis
This is the key document on which the Rosicrucian phenomenon was based. It was first published in 1614 in German and in 1615 in Latin, though there are some manuscript copies in existence dating from about 1611.

https://www.alchemywebsite.com/fama.html

triplechoice:
When I am done with my presentation, he will explain what led to the creation of this thread.

No, Triple, buda will not explain what led you to create this thread, though I think you created this thread to malign buda's reputation on Nairaland and attempt to bully buda into silence, which I hope you can see for yourself how woefully you fail.

You created this thread, Triple, and when you are done with your presentation, you may, if you wish, explain what led you to create this thread of yours!

budaatum:
I'm very certain this will in no way convince you otherwise, but here it is all the same.

https://amorc.org.uk/sites/default/files/media-files/positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis.pdf

Now, what say ye?

@FxMasterz, Budaatum in his desperation to exonerating himself has just proven my. entire case.

His posting of the official AMORC document doesn't just prove where he copied the title from ,it introduces a crucial point he ignored: Trademark Law and implied Endorsement.

AMORC, like any organisation holds trademarks on its name and official documents to protect its identity. They do not allow outsiders to use their official trademark materials for unauthorized recruitment

Let's take a look at what his action demonstrates:

He used AMORC's official trademarked materials to title his recruitment thread

The organisation has taken no action against him for this unauthorized use of their intellectual property to recruit on a public forum as popular as Nairaland.

Fellow AMORC members on this forum have not reprimand him for impersonating the Order or misusing its documents.

There is only one logical conclusion from this, the organisation and its members here on this forum recognize his actions as those of an affiliate

An organisation like AMORC does not remain silent when an outsider pirates its official documents and trademarks to recruit new members. His unimpeded use of their official branding for recruitment is the strongest silent admission of his affiliation. He has never been treated has an imposter by other members on this forum because he is not one ,in fact; most of them depend on him for links to download rare to find AMORC text that has gone out of print.

So you can see how he has proven with his own evidence that he acted as a recognised representative of the group when he created that thread hence his confusion and the actions he took later to "" technically" hide the thread when I brought it to his attention.

budaatum:
While awaiting FxMasterz's judgement on my previous, I post here another key Rosicrucian document.

Fama Fraternitatis
This is the key document on which the Rosicrucian phenomenon was based. It was first published in 1614 in German and in 1615 in Latin, though there are some manuscript copies in existence dating from about 1611.

https://www.alchemywebsite.com/fama.html

Trying to fool the public with what they don't know.

Be specific next time when you use the word. "Rosicrucian" . AMORC which you belong to is not the only Rosicrucian group that exist

SpencerForbes:
It actually has a book and a non member can teach about it. So we need more evidences.

You have taken it out of the context of its use here.

Can a non member used it to recruit for new members on a public forum without the consent of the organisation?

triplechoice:
AMORC, like any organisation holds trademarks on its name and official documents to protect its identity.

Dude, you can't trademark a 1611 document, and the AMORC documents I'm posting are all in the public domain and are freely available!

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books

triplechoice:
Be specific next time when you use the word. "Rosicrucian" . AMORC which you belong to is not the only Rosicrucian group that exist

You mean like Anglican and Baptist are not the only Christian denominations that exist or what?

AMORC is the acronym for the Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis. It is a Rosicrucian Order.

budaatum:
joseph 1832, I note the latin Sic Vis Pacem Parabellum in your signature.

Please state whether this is indication that you are "operating within the (or any) esoteric tradition" please.

I specifically ask you because you can possibly use your mind. Thank you in advance.

budaatum:
I think you should learn not to make assumptions that one is a Marxist just because one quotes Marx.

I'm sure you can see the question mark boldily written, no?

joseph1832:
Never figured you as a Marxist lover?

SpencerForbes:
I’m not here to defend budaatum but if we’re to judge clearly, there were signs it was copied and pasted because it had copyright signatures on it. For it to have copyright signature, the manifesto wasn’t written by budaatum. How she got it, I’m not sure but even as little as 10 years, I had read the Book of Mormon, doctrines and covenants, Catholic encyclopedia and even the mysterious power of psalms. So what if I write them on nairaland, does that makes me a member, no!

But I’m still doing my findings and if I find anything incriminating, I’ll do best to post it here.

Thanks for your contributions.

Budaatum has proven that he copied the title word for word. He didn't coin the latin title himself. He might not be a member.

You have also provided evidence that outsiders, i.e non members can share the manifesto contrary to what Triplechoice thought. Triplechoice har thought that only members of the confraternity could share official documents.

However, I still have a few doubts. That's on the issue of the disclaimer I raised previously. I don't see how a none member would publicly share a cult's manifesto without first issuing a disclaimer and an explanation as to why he is sharing the article.

A copyright disclosure points to ownership. By virtue of the copyright, the ownership of the publication is not a matter of contention. On the other hand, a disclaimer provides insights about the posters membership of the cult. A disclaimer is the missing substance in all of these. For example, if I'll share something from Jehovah witness or any organization to which I do not profess membership, I'll first issue a disclaimer similar to the following:

"Good day to all Nairalanders. I see the need to share the following article with anyone who cares to read because of the very valuable gems I found in the material. Even though I do not belong to this sect, neither do I support the organization in any way, I believe we can still benefit a few things from this article which we may individually apply profitably to our lives. Please read this article with caution and hold on only to that which is good. Thank you."

A disclaimer similar to the one above, if issued by Buda would have immediately dissociated him from the 'we', 'our' and 'us' of the article.

FxMasterz:
He might not be a member.

However, I still have a few doubts.

Told you posting source for the Latin wouldn't make a difference to you. And I bet a disclaimer wouldn't neither.

budaatum:
Told you posting source for the Latin wouldn't make a difference to you. And I bet a disclaimer wouldn't neither.

You can't guilt trip me into accepting your position, Buda.

This is logically correct. A matching title does not disprove your membership since both members and non members could copy and paste the article for sharing. However, a non matching title which points to you using the symbolic language of the cult 100% written in your own words definitely establish membership without doubt.

Your lack of a disclaimer is a strong evidence against you because it inadvertently identifies you with the 'we', 'our' and 'us' of the article you shared.

FxMasterz:
I don't see how a none member would publicly share a cult's manifesto without first issuing a disclaimer and an explanation as to why he is sharing the article.

This is like asking me to issue a disclaimer whenever I write "praise god" or "inshallah", like I should expect people who've read my posts all these years to not know I'm an atheist.

But then, you ain't one of those. You did after all think buda was sonmyavina, lol. And you ain't got time to do your own research before coming to join the mob with a tyre and petrol and matches.

Dude, you don't see because you don't look, and I think you ain't even got eyes!

FxMasterz:
You can't guilt trip me into accepting your position, Buda.

Don't you dare accept my position please. You just keep on believing whatever it is you believe and see if buda cares.

budaatum:
This is like asking me to issue a disclaimer whenever I write "praise god" or "inshallah", like I should expect people who've read my posts all these years to not know I'm an atheist.

But then, you ain't one of those. You did after all think buda was sonmyavina, lol. And you ain't got time to do your own research before coming to join the mob with a tyre and petrol and matches.

Dude, you don't see because you don't look, and I think you ain't even got eyes!

Hallelujah is a language. Insha Allah is a language. A manifesto is not. It's an identity. And when the manifestos use we, us and our, the poster identifies with them except a disclaimer was issued.

You know this. Please be honest.

FxMasterz:
Thanks for your contributions.

Budaatum has proven that he copied the title word for word. He didn't coin the latin title himself. He might not be a member.

You have also provided evidence that outsiders, i.e non members can share the manifesto contrary to what Triplechoice thought. Triplechoice har thought that only members of the confraternity could share official documents.

However, I still have a few doubts. That's on the issue of the disclaimer I raised previously. I don't see how a none member would publicly share a cult's manifesto without first issuing a disclaimer and an explanation as to why he is sharing the article.

A copyright disclosure points to ownership. By virtue of the copyright, the ownership of the publication is not a matter of contention. On the other hand, a disclaimer provides insights about the posters membership of the cult. A disclaimer is the missing substance in all of these. For example, if I'll share something from Jehovah witness or any organization to which I do not profess membership, I'll first issue a disclaimer similar to the following:

"Good day to all Nairalanders. I see the need to share the following article with anyone who cares to read because of the very valuable gems I found in the material. Even though I do not belong to this sect, neither do I support the organization in any way, I believe we can still benefit a few things from this article which we may individually apply profitably to our lives. Please read this article with caution and hold on only to that which is good. Thank you."

A disclaimer similar to the one above, if issued by Buda would have immediately dissociated him from the 'we', 'our' and 'us' of the article.

That’s where the confusion is. I’ll also love to hear from budaatum. How were you able to copy the whole manifesto without violating copyright laws or you violated the law?

A simple research will help here and I think budaatum is right. They might be a member but there’s no concrete evidence they are. We can’t justify triplechoice’s accusations based on abstract facts.