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You can not obey God laws you don't even have what it takes to accomplish this task only one man did it and still surrendered his life because of it

Let break it down

why would Jesus tell the rich young ruler he had to sell everything to attain eternal life many people teach this to lead you to believe that you gotta surrender your entire life to attain salvation

but Jesus didn't tell the rich young ruler how to be saved he showed him why he couldn't save himself Jesus gave him an impossible command on purpose Jesus was showing him and everyone that was watching that salvation cannot be earned by good works.

the young ruler asked the wrong question he said what must I do to inherit eternal life so Jesus answered him according to the logic of his own question Jesus took him down the path of works to show him where that would ends he said keep the commandments so the rich young ruler said I've done this since my youth

so Jesus said okay then sell everything and that final command wasn't a set of salvation it was the final blow to his works based mindset it exposed the one thing he could never do the thing his heart trusted more than God and Jesus did that intentionally because Jesus always raises the law to an impossible level when someone thinks salvation comes through their good behavior

just like the other examples in scripture when Jesus said cut off your hand if it causes you to sin be perfect as your father's perfect forgive others or your father won't forgive you

But notice those things jesus list are actually not new covenant salvation requirements those are the hammer of impossibility for anyone still trying to earn eternal life by good performance

the rich young ruler is one of Jesus's clearest demonstrations that if salvation depends on what you do the standard becomes so high that no one can survive it

and right after the man walks away Jesus proves the point he says with man this is impossible (.... which means using man's holiness to get salvation it actually impossible......)

but with God all things are possible (which means putting your faith in jesus then holiness of God is possible)

that's Matthew nineteen twenty-six that line is just Jesus's summary of the entire encounter what's impossible is earning eternal life through human efforts.....

. what is possible is actually seeing it as a gift of God..

Then that is how you get saved forever.....

Glory

Sorry! Probably I posted that on the wrong thread

paxonel:
Una go cry tire, nothing go change.

Christmas is Christmas, period

What do you want to be changed

Kingsnairaland:
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You can not obey God laws you don't even have what it takes to accomplish this task only one man did it and still surrendered his life because of it ..

See how you began wrongly, already declaring that it cannot be done when in fact at least 5 people did it.

And at least 4 of them did it before Christ Came. Not to talk of the disciples and the people of Antioch and others doing it even after Christ came.

No one can be saved without Jesus, he is the only way to salvation.

Of course most people who never heard about or learn from Jesus will be with his disciples in Paradise for 1,000 years but only believers in Jesus will have everlasting life! John 3:16

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you began wrongly, already declaring that it cannot be done when in fact at least 5 people did it.

And at least 4 of them did it before Christ Came. Not to talk of the disciples and the people of Antioch and others doing it even after Christ came.

Name the people who fulfilled the law of God and never sinned before Christ came or after Christ
or name one that had eternal life without knowing God

Am waiting

MaxInDHouse:
No one can be saved without Jesus, he is the only way to salvation.

Of course most people who never heard about or learn from Jesus will be with his disciples in Paradise for 1,000 years but only believers in Jesus will have everlasting life! John 3:16

Max what made you to change

Have you received jesus into your heart or have you dropped jw

Kingsnairaland:
Max what made you to change
Have you received jesus into your heart or have you dropped jw

Change like how?
That's what Jehovah's Witnesses believe nah!😟

MaxInDHouse:
Change like how?
That's what Jehovah's Witnesses believe nah!😟

Nope jw don't believe jesus is God that can give eternal life

Kingsnairaland:
Nope jw don't believe jesus is God that can give eternal life

Now you've turned the table!

This is what Jesus said with his own mouth:

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God did not send his Son into the world for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. Whoever exercises faith in him is not to be judged. Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

Throughout the above verses Jesus kept repeating that he was sent by someone greater than him {John 14:28} and that is why he told one of his disciples:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." John 20:16

So we are Jesus' brothers not worshipers while both Jesus and we are worshipers of One God who is our Father!😟

Jesus Christ is the law of Moses

Believing in Jesus Christ means obeying the laws as given to Moses, reconciliation into the law of God

MaxInDHouse:
Now you've turned the table!

This is what Jesus said with his own mouth:

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God did not send his Son into the world for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. Whoever exercises faith in him is not to be judged. Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

Throughout the above verses Jesus kept repeating that he was sent by someone greater than him {John 14:28} and that is why he told one of his disciples:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." John 20:16

So we are Jesus' brothers not worshipers while both Jesus and we are worshipers of One God who is our Father!😟

Your problem in Bible is you read one part bible is two edge sword

If you don't read the other part you will fail

If I tell you that I am black and tomorrow I say I am white

What will you call me you can call me black and white person rather than only saying am black

Jesus identify himself many times
as son of God
as God
as son of man too

Jesus is trying to tell you he is all in all


Look example

John 10:28 ►

New International Version
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

New Living Translation
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,

MrPresident1:
Jesus Christ is the law of Moses

Believing in Jesus Christ means obeying the laws as given to Moses, reconciliation into the law of God

Partially true

The question is Obeying the law does it mean
Believing in jesus

Can you quote where Jesus explicitly said he is God?🙂

Kingsnairaland:
Your problem in Bible is you read one part bible is two edge sword

If you don't read the other part you will fail

If I tell you that I am black and tomorrow I say I am white

What will you call me you can call me black and white person rather than only saying am black

Jesus identify himself many times
as son of God
as God
as son of man too

Jesus is trying to tell you he is all in all


Look example

John 10:28 ►

New International Version
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

New Living Translation
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,

Kingsnairaland:
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You can not obey God laws you don't even have what it takes to accomplish this task only one man did it and still surrendered his life because of it

Let break it down

why would Jesus tell the rich young ruler he had to sell everything to attain eternal life many people teach this to lead you to believe that you gotta surrender your entire life to attain salvation

but Jesus didn't tell the rich young ruler how to be saved he showed him why he couldn't save himself Jesus gave him an impossible command on purpose Jesus was showing him and everyone that was watching that salvation cannot be earned by good works.

the young ruler asked the wrong question he said what must I do to inherit eternal life so Jesus answered him according to the logic of his own question Jesus took him down the path of works to show him where that would ends he said keep the commandments so the rich young ruler said I've done this since my youth

so Jesus said okay then sell everything and that final command wasn't a set of salvation it was the final blow to his works based mindset it exposed the one thing he could never do the thing his heart trusted more than God and Jesus did that intentionally because Jesus always raises the law to an impossible level when someone thinks salvation comes through their good behavior

just like the other examples in scripture when Jesus said cut off your hand if it causes you to sin be perfect as your father's perfect forgive others or your father won't forgive you

But notice those things jesus list are actually not new covenant salvation requirements those are the hammer of impossibility for anyone still trying to earn eternal life by good performance

the rich young ruler is one of Jesus's clearest demonstrations that if salvation depends on what you do the standard becomes so high that no one can survive it

and right after the man walks away Jesus proves the point he says with man this is impossible (.... which means using man's holiness to get salvation it actually impossible......)

but with God all things are possible (which means putting your faith in jesus then holiness of God is possible)

that's Matthew nineteen twenty-six that line is just Jesus's summary of the entire encounter what's impossible is earning eternal life through human efforts.....

. what is possible is actually seeing it as a gift of God..

Then that is how you get saved forever.....

Glory

you are correct Jesus presented the law in its pure form which is impossible for any sinner to keep.
The law exposes man's fallen state.

Kingsnairaland:
Name the people who fulfilled the law of God and never sinned before Christ came or after Christ
or name one that had eternal life without knowing God

Am waiting

Enoch, Noah, Daniel, job.

Then others include David's first ways, Hezekiah's first ways, Samuel, Moses, the prophets, Joseph Mary's (husband), Joseph of Arimathea

MrPresident1:
Jesus Christ is the law of Moses

Believing in Jesus Christ means obeying the laws as given to Moses, reconciliation into the law of God

Exactly. But people do not want to make the connection even after all the hints Christ dropped

Steep:
you are correct Jesus presented the law in its pure form which is is impossible for any sinner to keep.
The law exposes man's fallen state.

This is not true, even John confirmed that The Law is not hard to keep

Key Biblical Context & Meaning
1 John 5:3 (KJV): "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous".

Not Burdensome: "Grievous" means heavy, oppressive, or hard to bear. The verse suggests that for a believer, following God's instructions isn't a crushing load but a joyful expression of love for Him,

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where Jesus explicitly said he is God?🙂

John 8:58 ►

“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

New Living Translation
Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am !”

English Standard Version
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

I am
Is the name God used to identity himself

Number two...........

Revelation 22:13 ►
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

New Living Translation
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End

Only God is first and last

Number three...............
Thomas called jesus God

John 20:28 ►
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

New Living Translation
“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.

Isaiah 7:14 ►
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

New Living Translation
All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’).
Many places where God called jesus God

Matthew 1:23 ►
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

New Living Translation
“Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means ‘God is with us.’”

Many places

Just quote a verse where Jesus said:

"I am your God"

After all i have quoted where Jesus said he is our brother {John 20:17} something God never said to any of his worshipers in the entire Bible!

Kingsnairaland:
John 8:58 ►

“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

New Living Translation
Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am !”

English Standard Version
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

I am
Is the name God used to identity himself

Number two...........

Revelation 22:13 ►
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

New Living Translation
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End

Only God is first and last

Number three...............
Thomas called jesus God

John 20:28 ►
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

New Living Translation
“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.

Isaiah 7:14 ►
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

New Living Translation
All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’).
Many places where God called jesus God

Matthew 1:23 ►
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

New Living Translation
“Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means ‘God is with us.’”

Many places

Steep:
you are correct Jesus presented the law in its pure form which is is impossible for any sinner to keep.
The law exposes man's fallen state.

Exactly

Dtruthspeaker:
Enoch, Noah, Daniel, job.

Then others include David's first ways, Hezekiah's first ways, Samuel, Moses, the prophets, Joseph Mary's (husband), Joseph of Arimathea

Read this thing again

Name the people who fulfilled the law of God and never sinned before Christ came or after Christ
or name one that had eternal life without knowing God

Am waiting

The people who you list
God knows them and they know God

Kingsnairaland:
Read this thing again

Name the people who fulfilled the law of God and never sinned before Christ came or after Christ
or name one that had eternal life without knowing God

Am waiting

The people who you list
God knows them and they know God

Did God hold any sin against them?
No! He did not.

And Christ following told the people that they are not like Abraham John. 8:40.

And Abraham still entered the kingdom even though he did not meet Jesus. So ye have no excuse

Kingsnairaland:
Nope jw don't believe jesus is God that can give eternal life

When you say 'God', do you mean that Jesus is an Almighty God?

Kingsnairaland:
John 8:58 ►

“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

New Living Translation
Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am !”

English Standard Version
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

I am
Is the name God used to identity himself

Number two...........

Revelation 22:13 ►
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

New Living Translation
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End

Only God is first and last

Number three...............
Thomas called jesus God

John 20:28 ►
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

New Living Translation
“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.

Isaiah 7:14 ►
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

New Living Translation
All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’).
Many places where God called jesus God

Matthew 1:23 ►
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

New Living Translation
“Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means ‘God is with us.’”

Many places

If Jesus is the Alpha and Omega In Revelation 22:13, explain Revelation 1:18. Can Alpha and Omega die?

King James Bible
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Ezekiel 20:11
I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live.

Nehemiah 9:29
And admonished them in order to turn them back to Your law.
Yet they acted arrogantly and did not listen to Your commandments but sinned against Your ordinances,
By which if a man observes them he shall live.
And they turned a stubborn shoulder and stiffened their neck, and would not listen.

Truthseeker10:
If Jesus is the Alpha and Omega In Revelation 22:13, explain Revelation 1:18. Can Alpha and Omega die?

King James Bible
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Is your quote not saying that yes, The Alpha and Omega did die but lived again?

Dtruthspeaker:
Did God hold any sin against them?
No! He did not.

And Christ following told the people that they are not like Abraham John. 8:40.

And Abraham still entered the kingdom even though he did not meet Jesus. So ye have no excuse

It is that you don't read or you have problems reading

GO
Up read what I said again
If you can't read it then how do you even understand Bible

Truthseeker10:
When you say 'God', do you mean that Jesus is an Almighty God?

That is what Bible has been saying to those that want to know jesus

Every thing the father can do jesus can do it

Only those who know God during the old times can be given eternal life

And in this new dispensation only those who know jesus can have eternal life

Kingsnairaland:
It is that you don't read or you have problems reading

GO
Up read what I said again
If you can't read it then how do you even understand Bible

It is you pretending not to see what is written. To test your sight and understanding point out the sins God held against these people?

Truthseeker10:
If Jesus is the Alpha and Omega In Revelation 22:13, explain Revelation 1:18. Can Alpha and Omega die?

King James Bible
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Yes because
GOD
Is three in one being

What made God to be God is that he is a
Father
Son
spirit

That is how he made us the same three in one

What made man to be man is we are
A soul
A body
A spirit

GOD as a son can die because bible said jesus is the express image of God
He is God in flesh and as that he can die once

And never die again

Kingsnairaland:
Yes because
GOD
Is three in one being

What made God to be God is that he is a
Father
Son
spirit

That is how he made us the same three in one

What made man to be man is we are
A soul
A body
A spirit

GOD as a son can die because bible said jesus is the express image of God
He is God in flesh and as that he can die once

And never die again

You Catholics misunderstand Trinity for A Person cannot be 3 Persons.

Rather Trinity is about seamless cooperation between 3 Authorities like 3 tiers of government.

Especially if you also remember that Jesus is also known as The BRANCH.

A Branch is certainly not the Tree