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Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by Farrason: 4:22pm On Jan 31

budaatum:
So, you need some law saying your wife should let you sex her instead of you forming a relationship with your wife that makes her want to sex you?

Do you also need a law to tell your children to love and respect you instead of you earning your children's respect and love?

And should your employer too have a law that makes you serve them instead of you willingly serving your employer because they reward you?

You missed the core of my message..

If it is wining the argument that is your concern... Pls take the front row and let everyone acknowledge your right proving mentality.

You concerning is winning the argument but not in understanding the message. Carry on!!

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 4:25pm On Jan 31

drsibz66:
The world doesnt revolve around your feelings.. your sons are not different from most men out there..

I never said the world revolves around my feelings, because it obviously does not, but my sons are definitely very very different from most of the men commenting here, who lack respect for their wives and think they can treat them like ribs.

And the reason my sons are very different from most of you men on here is because they have been taught to treat their sisters and other women in their life with deep regard and respect, unlike some of you men on here who think a woman is a hole and t¹ts.

There's lots of men in the world out there who don't reason like you too, so my boys are not particularly unique in that regard, they are just not like many of you here.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 4:41pm On Jan 31

Farrason:
You missed the core of my message..

Your "core of my message" is rather very lame.

That's why you have not engaged with me since page one of this thread, where you lost it by quoting a man written book that tells you a woman is a rib!

Farrason:
It is not good that man should be alone and so the woman was formed.

And that despite the fact that the same book clearly states that before your God created Adam and Eve to be naked ignorant slaves in his Garden in Eden, God created man[kind] in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

But I guess it sums you up that you'd be trying to enslave women in the 21^st century with a book written like 2000 years ago by man and disregard the fact that women now go to school too and can read!

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 4:57pm On Jan 31

Peterlove11:
You can evolve and keep evolving into oblivion.

Possibly. But your statement shows you don't actually know anything about evolution nor oblivion, if I were to be honest with you, though I'm very certain you'd disagree and argue your point till the cows get bored.

Fact is, women are not accepting the 2000 year old structure that men wrote a book about to organise society how it favours them, and are writing a new book for this modern age of the 21^st century.

It's the same way many are not accepting the same structure in a book that tells them they are slaves that should honor their masters.

Our eyes have opened and we have evolved from both nonsenses! Aleluya insha'Allah Amen!

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by teemy(m): 5:03pm On Jan 31

budaatum:
No it doesn't.

Just as he is not so stupid to call the police and accuse me of theft because I took 10 francs out of his pocket, so is he not stupid to claim I raped him because I got sexual with him without "prior notification plus consent".

We wouldn't have married if he was that stupid, and the police and court he takes that stupid accusation to is not stupid neither.

If I however beat my husband over the head with a pestle to knock him out and tie him up to restrain him and then "got sexual" with him all without "prior notification plus consent", I'm very certain my ass will end up in jail for a considerable amount of time, and not only for spousal rape, but for battering and abuse too. But I don't think he'd have married me if I were psycho like that.

But the doctrine of consent says otherwise. Watch the tea video. You shouldn't force tea on a sleeping person.

How you guys live now is the ideal way of things but following what consent goes by, you're graping him each and every time you pounce on him on those mornings. How many times now? cheesy

What might be fun now might be used in court later by an unhappy partner along the line. That's just how stretched it can be when they say being married should not give you an expectation of sexual intimacy. There are already laws that tackle marital grape.

Telling people not to expect the norm would create frictions that someone someday might bank on to hurt the person they once swore to love and care for.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by drsibz66(m): 5:36pm On Jan 31

[quote author=budaatum post=138319957]I never said the world revolves around my feelings, because it obviously does not, but my sons are definitely very very different from most of the men commenting here, who lack respect for their wives and think they can treat them like ribs.

And the reason my sons are very different from most of you men on here is because they have been taught to treat their sisters and other women in their life with deep regard and respect, unlike some of you men on here who think a woman is a hole and t¹ts.

There's lots of men in the world out there who don't reason like you too, so my boys are not particularly unique in that regard, they are just not like many of you here. [/quo

Like i said you reason one sided.... that you think your sons are the only ones brought up decently says it all. And you think any man thats against your opinion treat their wives or women less ...explains your one sided argument and why you refused to see the bigger picture. Weather you agree or not... Good men are also victims of women who they percieved to be good women before they married them... Thats a fact you can never change. Being a victim doesnt respect gender. Know that and know reality...

We know your type .. you subconcious hate men and you really dont care if they are the victims... maybe the only males you care about are your sons... Every argument you and your type refuse to see how its affects the male negatively as long as women benefit , even if the man is victim you really dont care. Whereas people like me try to be fair ... that you silently refuse to comment on the part where i said GOOD MEN ALSO FALL VICTIMS.. SHOWS YOUR INNERMOST MIND..

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 5:44pm On Jan 31

drsibz66:
that you think your sons are the only ones brought up decently says it all.

I think the above shows your inability to read so I shouldn't really bother responding to you any further.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by maasoap(m): 5:47pm On Jan 31

By allowing such a right or duty to persist, we are collectively giving our approval to a system of domination and predation by husband on wife," said the bill's sponsor, Green MP Marie-Charlotte Garin.

Anything to put men in everlasting everlasting bondge. Imagine your legal wife collecting different pricks outside but won't allow you touch her for no reason!

Previously, rape was defined as a sexual act carried out with "violence, constraint, threat or surprise". Now it is any act where there is no "informed, specific, anterior and revocable" consent. Silence or an absence of reaction do not imply consent, the law says.

Married men should just be careful. And to think men are the ones passing all these laws makes it sickening

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 5:47pm On Jan 31

Kukutente23:
You did not consider your father's care and love when you dismissed African men as pigs.

Sêun has decided you shouldn't see my response to you insulting my father to spare you or something.

https://www.nairaland.com/8511650/nairalands-bot-out-control/8#138320724

The link you can't see is added below to remind you when we used to be very much in love.

https://www.nairaland.com/8609468/france-moves-abolish-concept-marital/1#138313642

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 5:58pm On Jan 31

teemy:
What might be fun now might be used in court later by an unhappy partner along the line.

I don't agree that we live in a world where a person can just wake up one morning and suddenly become an unhappy partner who lies that you räped them and the law will just accept you did without any evidence.

And if you do happen to have such a partner who is unhappy, then sex with that person should be the last thing on your mind, and rǎping her definitely shouldn't be on your mind.

Sex between a loving couple, you don't seem to understand, is an extension of communication, where you express your love for and to each other. So, if your partner is unhappy, perhaps first communicate verbally to resolve the happiness, because the love making is much better when you are both happy with one another.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by Peterlove11: 6:20pm On Jan 31

budaatum:
Possibly. But your statement shows you don't actually know anything about evolution nor oblivion, if I were to be honest with you, though I'm very certain you'd disagree and argue your point till the cows get bored.

Fact is, women are not accepting the 2000 year old structure that men wrote a book about to organise society how it favours them, and are writing a new book for this modern age of the 21^st century.

It's the same way many are not accepting the same structure in a book that tells them they are slaves that should honor their masters.

Our eyes have opened and we have evolved from both nonsenses! Aleluya insha'Allah Amen!

There are some infallible truth which is a Husband is the head of his wife....it can be contested but it's the truth. And what its being challenged nowadays now is everything not just the headship of Man .The existence and validity of everything is being challenged, from God to science to even the existence of Man and the definition of a Woman, everything is being challenged and seived so that which is the truth will remain standing at the end of everything.
God, Family, the headship of a Man within a home, those will remain after the storm has set.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by emabe: 6:31pm On Jan 31

Ironfaceman:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgjwxdz45ywo

To their tent oh Israel. If women decide to remove that right to conjugate. There are other ways to kill a rat.

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Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 6:39pm On Jan 31

Peterlove11:
There are some infallible truth which is a Husband is the head of his wife....it can be contested but it's the truth.

No it isn't. Men wrote that in your Bible and you believe it, and humans in France at least, are saying men are not the head of their wife.

So, deal with it or don't go to France where your supposed "infallible truth" is not true, or go there and treat your wife like you are her head and see what truth happens to you.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by Omalicious1: 6:43pm On Jan 31

Ironfaceman:
That's my fear exactly

Don't be afraid, just brace up. Because according to a relationship journal, it was predicted that there will be more singles and single parents, more than married people.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 6:46pm On Jan 31

emabe:
To their tent oh Israel. If women decide to remove that right to conjugate. There are other ways to kill a rat.

The Birkot ha-Shachar (Morning Blessings) found in traditional Jewish daily prayer thanked God for not being made a gentile, a slave (or "boor" in older texts), and a woman.

Woman was last because they thought it was better for them to be a Gentile or a slave than a woman.

Then they evolved and elected "Iron Lady" Golda Meir as fourth Prime Minister of Israel, who held office from 1969 to 1974, which shows even they can evolve.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by Peterlove11: 6:48pm On Jan 31

budaatum:
No it isn't. Men wrote that in your Bible and you believe it, and humans in France at least, are saying men are not the head of their wife.

So, deal with it or don't go to France where your supposed "infallible truth" is not true, or go there and treat your wife like you are her head and see what truth happens to you.

Am my wife's head, she knows that. Maybe you are the one to deal with it. No matter how much you fight against an authority, it's because you recognise the authority exist in the first place, that's why you are fighting it. A Man is the head of his home, it's an indisputable fact. The global order is also changing and many of what the west approve now will also change in the future. Women's right will be redefined

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 6:56pm On Jan 31

Peterlove11:
Am my wife's head, she knows that.

You need to understand that what you might do with your own wife's head is not necessarily what every man must do with their own wife's head, nor is it what every wife will allow their husband to do with their head.

Some men go to their village to marry a submissive woman that they can control, while some men marry educated powerful women with whom they share responsibilities.

Each to their own, is what you must understand, with consequences if you go too far with your headshipness, which I'm willing to bet even you would head, I hope.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by Dtruthspeaker: 6:57pm On Jan 31

cr7lomo:
How can a husband possibly rape his wife... why should his wife deny him sex ?? What she signed for ...

See how you are changing and moving post.

First if a wife refuses to open up to her husband and he forces himself, it is rape. For just as she has a right to end the marriage by removing her consent at any time so also does she have a right to refuse consent to sex at any time.

Secondly, temporary denial of sex for a reasonable time does not amount to denial of sex.

And the fact that she denies you sex does not mean that you have a right to rape her. You too have the remedy of terminating the marriage.

Marriage is not by force and sex is not by force exactly like a job contract

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 7:01pm On Jan 31

Peterlove11:
Women's right will be redefined.

Yes it will, and this French law is evidence it is.

It used to be that women could not inherit property, get degrees, open bank accounts, vote, or even accuse men of rape, but look out your window and see how women's rights have been redefined today.

We are not going back to those archaic days of women exploitation just as we likely will never go back to the world order when black people were some people's slaves.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 7:03pm On Jan 31

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you are changing and moving post.

First if a wife refuses to open up to her husband and he forces himself, it is rape. For just as she has a right to end the marriage by removing her consent at any time so also does she have a right to refuse consent to sex at any time.

Secondly, temporary denial of sex for a reasonable time does not amount to denial of sex.

And the fact that she denies you sex does not mean that you have a right to rape her. You too have the remedy of terminating the marriage.

Marriage is not by force and sex is not by force exactly like a job contract

Maybe they might listen to you if you tell them, dt.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by Dtruthspeaker: 7:05pm On Jan 31

budaatum:
Maybe they might listen to you if you tell them, dt.

They have to else they'll be eating stony beans in kuje prison once women start reporting the crime to gdvst

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Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by cr7lomo: 7:08pm On Jan 31

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you are changing and moving post.

First if a wife refuses to open up to her husband and he forces himself, it is rape. For just as she has a right to end the marriage by removing her consent at any time so also does she have a right to refuse consent to sex at any time.

Secondly, temporary denial of sex for a reasonable time does not amount to denial of sex.

And the fact that she denies you sex does not mean that you have a right to rape her. You too have the remedy of terminating the marriage.

Marriage is not by force and sex is not by force exactly like a job contract

Then also...a woman has no right to demand for money from the husband, if he isn't willing to give her.. and if she takes money without his consent...she should be arrested for theft

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by Ironfaceman(op): 7:28pm On Jan 31

fear don catch you. Well that's the truth because as a foreigner dating a French lady. It is risky business.

b5ive:
After briefly reading through this...... to Japa no dey hungry me cos wtf :

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by maasoap(m): 7:44pm On Jan 31

budaatum:
Can you not imagine doing what you can do to make your wife actually want to have sex with you?

How do you enjoy sex with a wife that doesn't want you to have sex with her? No, actually, ignore that, since I'm certain rapïsts must enjoy rapïng their wife!

Well, for one reason, your wife might be actually cheating on you and that alone might be the reason she's not interested in having sex with you. It has happened to married men countless times. Something that is not their fault in anyway.
Concerning this topic, marriage is not roommates, it is rooted in having sex. Talking about consent is another thing entirely

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by Peterlove11: 7:47pm On Jan 31

budaatum:
Yes it will, and this French law is evidence it is.

It used to be that women could not inherit property, get degrees, open bank accounts, vote, or even accuse men of rape, but look out your window and see how women's rights have been redefined today.

We are not going back to those archaic days of women exploitation just as we likely will never go back to the world order when black people were some people's slaves.

I mean it will be challenged.....Am talking about family not the society. There are societal laws to protect everyone including women, but in the home, everyone should be protected within the context of a family, not only women. Nobody is a slave within the family, everyone has roles and duties within the family. It's never slavery but responsibility and care.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by teemy(m): 7:53pm On Jan 31

budaatum:
I don't agree that we live in a world where a person can just wake up one morning and suddenly become an unhappy partner who lies that you räped them and the law will just accept you did without any evidence.

And if you do happen to have such a partner who is unhappy, then sex with that person should be the last thing on your mind, and rǎping her definitely shouldn't be on your mind.

Sex between a loving couple, you don't seem to understand, is an extension of communication, where you express your love for and to each other. So, if your partner is unhappy, perhaps first communicate verbally to resolve the happiness, because the love making is much better when you are both happy with one another.

To the first boldened, it would be odd.

And the Second, good that we are on the same point.

Once the law becomes the creepy voice in the ears that spoils relationships, people start considering it and with that, what should have been something of love and respect turns to insecurities and distrust.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by Peterlove11: 7:57pm On Jan 31

budaatum:
You need to understand that what you might do with your own wife's head is not necessarily what every man must do with their own wife's head, nor is it what every wife will allow their husband to do with their head.

Some men go to their village to marry a submissive woman that they can control, while some men marry educated powerful women with whom they share responsibilities.

Each to their own, is what you must understand, with consequences if you go too far with your headshipness, which I'm willing to bet even you would head, I hope.

I don't understand what you are saying.....am my wife's head, she knows that and we have a functional home. Your husband is also your head if you are married, you can choose to disrespect him and be combative, that's your choice. As you lay your bed , you sleep on it. And within the home, no one cares how powerful you are as a woman, you are still the wife and your husband is the head

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 7:59pm On Jan 31

Peterlove11:
I mean it will be challenged.....Am talking about family not the society. There are societal laws to protect everyone including women, but in the home, everyone should be protected within the context of a family, not only women. Nobody is a slave within the family, everyone has roles and duties within the family. It's never slavery but responsibility and care.

This proposed law is not for the protection of women only Peter. It applies to women too who can no more use lack of sexual relations as an argument in fault-based divorce.

As for rolls and duties in a family, that is for each family to determine, though I don't suppose they can change the fact that the man can not be the pregnant one. But everything else is negotiable, including who pays the rent and puts the food on the family table.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by budaatum: 8:09pm On Jan 31

Peterlove11:
Your husband is also your head if you are married,..

Sorry, but this is not true. My husband and I are equal heads in my family, and he is intelligent and smart enough to know and respect that fact, as am I.

He does not make family decisions without consulting me, and neither do I make family decisions without consulting him. We even consult our children too, out of respect for them, and because we want them to learn to do the same when they get their own families.

But do know that there is absolutely no reason why you must do what I do in my family, because it is not compulsory that you have the same goals that I have for my family.

Re: France Moves To Abolish Concept Of Marital Duty To Have Sex by ibrahimawelo12(m): 8:41pm On Jan 31

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