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rampant:
see its not as if,i dont get y'all from ur own point of view,i do

but y on earth did he deny that word GOOD?yes he was man,but he was also wtout sin while on earth,yet he still claimed hes father is d good one

maybe angels too r wtout sin,but it doesnt mean dat they r Gods on their own

he was man on earth but no sin was found in him,so also r d angels of God(or is there r chapter in d bible talking about d sins of angles?)  even we sef wen everybody leaves d world(like we all have been hearing) if we end up in d bossom of our GOD,we will all be wtout sin,or no be so?

wen lucifer sinned he was cast down immediately,dat place is a place(heaven) of no sin,so him christ being wtout sin does not make him God

rampant:
ah ah,pataki,nobody is denying d fact dat it was d son of God dat was in dat furnace    my question was---does it mean dat God cant send his angels to go rescue them men?

thank God u said son of GOD,and not God,thats d big difference

MetalJigsaw:
The begotten son of God. That's Jesus

MaxInDHouse:
Still the son not God Himself!

MetalJigsaw:
If your son is begotten of you who is a human being, is he not a human as well?

MaxInDHouse:
A son is of his father's likeness but not his own father. There are many sons of God according to the Bible and Jesus is one of them though the first born son of God! Colossians 1:15

MetalJigsaw:
Lol... u are funny. who dey tell una all did lie bro🤣

MetalJigsaw:
Lol... u are funny. who dey tell una all did lie bro🤣

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is one of God's sons true or false?

Janosky:
The onus is on you to quote Colossians 1:15 as it is written in your own Bible.

Then, go ahead to point out "all the lie bro" which is not stated in that verse 15.

That is the candid manner to prove your point.
More so, persons following as guests can learn something.

Thanks.

MetalJigsaw:
What do you mean by "one of God's sons"?🤣 Which bible verse tells you that?🤣

Jesus is the unique/only begotten son of God the father. He and the father are of one divine nature. The Holy Ghost as well. Gerrit??

MetalJigsaw:
Long time bro.. 🤝

By the way, seems your assuming that Jesus being the firstborn of all creation means he is created? Correct?🤣

Janosky:
The onus is on you to quote Colossians 1:15 as it is written in your own Bible.

Then, go ahead to point out "all the lie bro" which is not stated in that verse 15.

That is the candid manner to prove your point.
More so, persons following as guests can learn something.

Thanks.

MissyB1:
I have talked on the issue here on nairaland uncountable times and i'm really tired of repeating myself.
If you are a christain,read the book of john dat wil enlighten you more.John called jesus"THE WORD" and that same John in d begining of his book said"IN THE BEGINING WAS THE WORD,AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD.If John addressed JC as THE WORD and also said THE WORD WAS GOD,whats too difficult to understand there?When pple addressed JC as God in the bible why didn't he rebuke them saying he isn't God?
Some times its good to read inbtw the lines,you don't jst read a verse in d bible witout understand wat its realli talkin abt and jump to conclusion.What's JC'S other name?Emmanuel!!what's d meaning?God with us!!
Does this make any meaning to you?
Frm my understandin i equate ur lil story to:
A wealthy man who's name is nairaland travels to another country and bears the name landnaira den disguises himself as the rabble.Den sm1 who knew his real identity addresses him as "great one" and d man replies sayin "nairaland is great but this is landnaira the rabble".

Does it mean that NAIRALAND AND LANDNAIRA are two diff pple?sm1 who doesn't knw d man would assume LANDNAIRA is diff frm NAIRALAND cuzz he only knws him as landnaira.
GOD+JESUS=SAME

Janosky:

Yeah..
Longtime no see.
Glad to see you're here.
Oga,Why did you dodge this?
👇

MaxInDHouse:
That's what you were taught to believe but according to the Bible did God have spirit sons?🙂

MetalJigsaw:
Happy weekend!
Please answer my question. I need a direct answer because the Bible is a sacred book. Let's follow the scripture for what is teaches okay.
Does the Bible teach that the word of God, Jesus is one of God's sons or God's begotten/unique son? Which one?

MaxInDHouse:
Son will forever remain a son that's what the Bible teach if you don't know the meaning of BEGOTTEN ask and mind you Google is not God's Holy Spirit!

MetalJigsaw:
Then its obvious you're intellectually dishonest.

MetalJigsaw:
Happy weekend!

Please answer my question. I need a direct answer because the Bible is a sacred book. Let's follow the scripture for what is teaches okay.

Does the Bible teach that the word of God, Jesus is one of God's sons or God's begotten/unique son? Which one?

I refer you to Hebrews 11:17-19.
Isaac is Abraham's only begotten/unique son.
Is Isaac one of Abraham's sons?

The same answer subsists for both questions.

MetalJigsaw:
I didn't dodge anything. Col. 1 v 15 says- "Jesus is the image of the invisible God. The firstborn of all creation."

Oga, is the firstborn of all children still a child?

This is the question you must ponder about & grasp the truth about Colossians 1:15 & also Revelation 3:14.
Jesus is "The beginning of the creation by God".
Your Bible did not say the beginning of the creation by Jesus .
Note that Revelation 1:1 & Rev 3:12,14 ,the God Almighty is not Jesus .
This distinction must be noted at all times.

Janosky:
Oga, is the firstborn of all children still a child?

This is the question you must ponder about & grasp the truth about Colossians 1:15 & also Revelation 3:14.
Jesus is "The beginning of the creation by God".
Your Bible did not say the beginning of the creation by Jesus .
Note that Revelation 1:1 & Rev 3:12,14 ,the God Almighty is not Jesus .
This distinction must be noted at all times.

MetalJigsaw:
The beginning of the creation of God not by God.

The beginning of your business is you. Likewise The beginning of all creation is Christ .

MetalJigsaw:
14 “To the angel of the church in Laodiceap write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness,q the ruler of God’s creation.

MetalJigsaw:
The word Firstborn is also used for David by God. does it now mean David was the first creation?

Jesus is also the Firstborn from the dead, does it now mean he's the first person to die?
Get it

Janosky:
"By God" or "of God",the meaning is clear.
That is "the beginning of creation was done by God,not his Son.

In John's entire writing " beginning" is not " "ruler".
Beginning means start,first.


It means David is a creature .
@ Genesis 49:3, firstborn means Reuben is a creature
Israel is firstborn means Israel is a creature.
Every firstborn in your Bible has a Father (meaning SENIOR/ Ancestor. ).

Any verse in your Bible where God is firstborn ?
Definitely not.
God Almighty Yahweh is not a creature.
Did Yahweh ever die?
No.
Yahweh never died .Psalm 90:1-3. Matt 27:46-50.
Jesus is a creature , God is his Senior (meaning Father in the spiritual realm and in the physical realm.)

MetalJigsaw:
I hope we be as honeat as we can okay
So we're all firstborn of God since we are a creation, listen to yourself. Stop the fashood.

MaxInDHouse:
There is always a firstborn in any arrangement. All you need is ask what qualifies that person to be firstborn!

MetalJigsaw:
Col. 1:15-17
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

In the Bible, Jesus is called the "firstborn" (prototokos) to signify his supreme authority, preexistence, and status as heir over all creation, rather than indicating he was the first created being.

Hope you get it now brother. The word firstborn is not literal but a title of christ preexistence

This term highlights his role as the Creator (Colossians 1:15-17), his resurrection from the dead (Colossians 1:18), and his special relationship with God.

The term signifies a close father-son relationship, often pointing forward to the messianic, divine sonship of Jesus (the ultimate "firstborn" in a theological sense).

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ the title "firstborn" only belongs to people who first got involved in some of sacred matters.
So Jesus is not exempted but as for creation he is the first creature made by God directly that's what the scriptures says.

MetalJigsaw:
Notice how I reply you with the scriptures that you're, wrong but you keep arguing pointlessly because of your ego and lack of intellectual dishonesy, even though I proposed us to have a honest discussion. Shows yo have been wasting my time all along.
This will determine if this discussion continues or not. Show me where the Bible says Jesus is Firstborn because he is a creation.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if you're not convenient with this discussion you can opt out no one is forcing you.
Proverbs 8:22-31 answered you:

“The Lord MADE me in the beginning, long before he did anything else. I was formed a long time ago, before the world was made. I was born before there was an ocean, before the springs began to flow. I was born before the mountains and hills were set into place, before the earth and fields were made, before the dust of this world was formed. I was there when he set up the skies, when he drew a circle in the ocean to make a place for the land. I was there when he put the clouds in the sky and made the deep springs flow. I was there when he set the limits on the sea to make it stop where he said. I was there when he laid the foundations of the earth. I grew up as a child by his side, laughing and playing all the time. I played in the world he made and enjoyed the people he put there."

That's Jesus in his prehuman existence talking about his origin take it or leave it!

MetalJigsaw:
WhoProv. 8 v 22-31 Who is speaking according to the verse?

MaxInDHouse:
Who was in the beginning with God? John 1:2

MetalJigsaw:
Does Prov 8 identifies who is speaking in those verses? yes or no