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MetalJigsaw:
Bros haba
Does Prov 8 identifies who is speaking in those verses? yes or no. And who is that if yes?

Guy nah Jesus otherwise tell me who else could say all of that if not the only person with God in the beginning of creation! John 1:2

MaxInDHouse:
Guy nah Jesus otherwise tell me who else could say all of that if not the only person with God in the beginning of creation! John 1:2

The Holy spirit was also involved in creation not only Christ.

If you read verse 7 it tells you. Its actually "Wisdom" speaking as a person its a proverb

MaxInDHouse:
Guy nah Jesus otherwise tell me who else could say all of that if not the only person with God in the beginning of creation! John 1:2

Prove. 8 v 1- 3

1Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:

(then she continues to make her speech in the rest of the verses which you presumed to be Jesus')

MetalJigsaw:
The Holy spirit was also involved in creation not only Christ.
If you read verse 7 it tells you. Its actually "Wisdom" speaking as a person its a proverb

So you are saying it's holy spirit that says all that shey?

Now who is dishonest?🙂

MetalJigsaw:
Prove. 8 v 1- 3
1Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:
(then she continues to make her speech in the rest of the verses which you presumed to be Jesus')

God's word came to mankind through Jesus that's why he is called the word of God. John 1:1; Revelation 19:13

Regarding wisdom the scriptures made it clear that Jesus is the wisdom of God. 1Corinthans 1:24

MaxInDHouse:
God's word came to mankind through Jesus that's why he is called the word of God. John 1:1; Revelation 19:13

Regarding wisdom the scriptures made it clear that Jesus is the wisdom of God. 1Corinthans 1:24

preacher of the word of God and the word of God are two different things.

ONLY Christ is identified as the word of God, no other person.


*The preacher of Gods word is a mere human
*The word of God is of God's essence and it is eternal.
*Jesus is identified as THE word of God itself, which means he's eternal and from the same essence as the father.
* He is also THE son of man in the revelation from Daniel 7. (are you aware? let me know)

When he said him and his father are one, was he lying? No.

At your last paragraph, I already showed you the context that its a proverb where "Lady wisdom" is speaking as a person. It is even a women not a man.

Go and look it up.

MetalJigsaw:
preacher of the word of God and the word of God are two different things.

ONLY Christ is identified as the word of God, no other person.


*The preacher of Gods word is a mere human
*The word of God is of God's essence and it is eternal.
*Jesus is identified as THE word of God itself, which means he's eternal and from the same essence as the father.
* He is also THE son of man in the revelation from Daniel 7. (are you aware? let me know)

The word of God simply means the angel who always represent God or speak in place of God so both in heaven and on earth the angel who later became Jesus is God's spokesman.

MetalJigsaw:
When he said him and his father are one, was he lying? No.

At your last paragraph, I already showed you the context that its a proverb where "Lady wisdom" is speaking as a person. It is even a women not a man.

Go and look it up.

One with God means in agreement with God's will that is why he prayed for all his disciples to be One with God in the same manner! John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:
The word of God simply means the angel who always represent God or speak in place of God so both in heaven and on earth the angel who later became Jesus is God's spokesman.

One with God means in agreement with God's will that is why he prayed for all his disciples to be One with God in the same manner! John 17:22

Show me where in the

MaxInDHouse:
The word of God simply means the angel who always represent God or speak in place of God so both in heaven and on earth the angel who later became Jesus is God's spokesman.

One with God means in agreement with God's will that is why he prayed for all his disciples to be One with God in the same manner! John 17:22

John 1:1-5

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Do you have any other questions?

MetalJigsaw:
Show me where in the John 1:1-5
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Do you have any other questions?

I'm in agreement with all these it's with your interpretation that i disagree.

Adam is the first human on planet earth and there is no human that comes to life on this planet without Adam does that make Adam more than being the first human?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
I'm in agreement with all these it's with your interpretation that i disagree.

Adam is the first human on planet earth and there is no human that comes to life on this planet without Adam does that make Adam more than being the first human?🙂

What has Adam got to do with this , I don't understand your point

MetalJigsaw:
What has Adam got to do with this , I don't understand your point.

Jesus is the first creature that makes him the first born of all creation {Colossians 1:15} Adam is the first human son of God {Luke 3:38} it's through Adam that God created a woman {Genesis 2:18, 21-22} the same way God used Jesus to create all other things and there is no creature that Adam didn't know because he was given the assignment to name them all {Genesis 2:19-20} no wonder the Bible equates Adam and Jesus because one of the two caused mankind's misfortune while the other was sent to redeem us. 1Corinthans 15:45

So if Adam had not sinned and brought mankind to this deplorable state we don't need Jesus again neither would we have to do anything with him because we will all be perfect sons and daughters of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is the first creature that makes him the first born of all creation {Colossians 1:15} Adam is the first human son of God {Luke 3:38} it's through Adam that God created a woman {Genesis 2:18, 21-22} the same way God used Jesus to create all other things and there is no creature that Adam didn't know because he was given the assignment to name them all {Genesis 2:19-20} no wonder the Bible equates Adam and Jesus because one of the two caused mankind's misfortune while the other was sent to redeem us. 1Corinthans 15:45

So if Adam had not sinned and brought mankind to this deplorable state we don't need Jesus again neither would we have to do anything with him because we will all be perfect sons and daughters of God.

David is firstborn too so I guess he is also the first creation.🥱

The people of Israel Israel too ar the first creation since they're also firstborn🤣

You are still pulling us backwards after I have showed you the meaning of firstborn in the Bible

MetalJigsaw:
David is firstborn too so I guess he is also the first creation.

David is the first human King chosen by God that's how he got the title.
Ask more about those given that title so you can know why they are called FIRSTBORN.

MetalJigsaw:
The people of Israel Israel too ar the first creation since they're also firstborn

The nation of Israel is God's FIRSTBORN because that is the first time God chose a nation as his worshipers. Exodus 19:5-6

You are free to ask for more!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
David is the first human King chosen by God that's how he got the title.
Ask more about those given that title so you can know why they are called FIRSTBORN.

The nation of Israel is God's FIRSTBORN because that is the first time God chose a nation as his worshipers. Exodus 19:5-6

You are free to ask for more!🙂

This is crazy!

Going by your logic
Jesus is Firstborn of the dead, that means he's the first to die, right

MetalJigsaw:
This is crazy!
Going by your logic
Jesus is Firstborn of the dead, that means he's the first to die, right

Imagine the highlighted but you will claim someone is insulting you for saying you're programmed.

Ask questions!

Instead of running to conclusion that will lead you to insulting others.

Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from the dead because he is the first dead to be raised back to everlasting life.

MaxInDHouse:
Imagine the highlighted but you will claim someone is insulting you for saying you're programmed.

Ask questions!

Instead of running to conclusion that will lead you to insulting others.

Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from the dead because he is the first dead to be raised back to everlasting life.

I didn't say you're crazy bro. Your assumptions are crazy that's what I meant.

Now, show me the verse:

# That tells you that Christ is firstborn because he was created.

# Show me the verse that says Christ is firstborn of the dead because he is the first to rise into eternal life.

I'm waiting...

MetalJigsaw:
I didn't say you're crazy bro. Your assumptions are crazy that's what I meant.
Now, show me the verse:
# That tells you that Christ is firstborn because he was created.
# Show me the verse that says Christ is firstborn of the dead because he is the first to rise into eternal life.
I'm waiting..

Can you show me the verse that say Jesus is the firstborn because he is the Almighty God?
Come on my guy you cannot show me any verse that explicitly say all what you are claiming about how David and Israel were called firstborn all you do is just to explain it away.

So let's face the truth God uses terms we humans are familiar with to reveal things that are sacred. John 3:12
The word FIRSTBORN means the first of its kind therefore the firstborn of all creation means first to be created.
Simple as ABC unless you want to go back to that programming which can never ever make any practical sense!

MaxInDHouse:
Can you show me the verse that say Jesus is the firstborn because he is the Almighty God?
Come on my guy you cannot show me any verse that explicitly say all what you are claiming about how David and Israel were called firstborn all you do is just to explain it away.

So let's face the truth God uses terms we humans are familiar with to reveal things that are sacred. John 3:12
The word FIRSTBORN means the first of its kind therefore the firstborn of all creation means first to be created.
Simple as ABC unless you want to go back to that programming which can never ever make any practical sense!

You see how people like you have to lie about the Bible just to appear knowledgeable even though, it deceive the ignorant ones.

Just a single verse to backup your ridiculously false interpretations, you can't bring up any. Who is now programmed between you and me

You must be a "Jehovah Witness".

This is really bad.

1John 5:7 was fabricated by trinitarians as an addition to God's word.
Please check other versions of the Bible to see what was originally written in 1John 5:7

"For there are three witness bearers"

The above is what you will find!

MissyB1:
OUCH!!!!!

I'm too happy rite now.        

I love the verse 7 of that chap.
THE FATHER,THE WORD AND THE HOLYGHOST:THESE THREE ARE ONE!!!  


Lemme see how people wil stil argue even when he said it himself that THEY are one.(and we knw the WORD=JC)
Olowa whroeva come on ere baby,i gwanna see u argue

MetalJigsaw:
You see how people like you have to lie about the Bible just to appear knowledgeable even though, it deceive the ignorant ones.

Just a single verse to backup your ridiculously false interpretations, you can't bring up any. Who is now programmed between you and me

You must be a "Jehovah Witness".

This is really bad.

Ọmọ a son is someone brought to life by a father so Jesus is simply God's Son that is what the scriptures say! John 16:13-18

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ a son is someone brought to life by a father so Jesus is simply God's Son that is what the scriptures say! John 16:13-18

Show me the verses of the fierstborn to backup your claims.

MetalJigsaw:
Show me the verses of the fierstborn to backup your claims.

Read Revelation 1:5
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from the dead and that is because all those who have been resurrected in the past died later but he lives forever.
Read Colossians 1:15
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creations and that is because he is the only creature God created directly.

If you have a contrary opinion quote and explain simply as i did!🙂

MetalJigsaw:
The Holy spirit was also involved in creation not only Christ.

If you read verse 7 it tells you. Its actually "Wisdom" speaking as a person its a proverb

The Wisdom personified in Proverbs 8:22-30 is Jesus Christ/ the Craftsman of Proverbs 8:22,30..
Paul identified him as Jesus Christ @ 1 Cor 1:24 & Hebrew 1:2 God made Wisdom as the beginning of his creation.
The same message of Paul in Colossians 1:15 & Jesus revealed in Rev 3:14.
Provers 8:22 NLT screenshot is solid evidence..

When i told him that he is programmed it sounds offensive to him but then can he prove otherwise?
He wants to me to believe what he says about the term FIRSTBORN yet instead of explaining how it correlates with reality he sticks to his TRINITY ideology!😀

Janosky:
The Wisdom personified in Proverbs 8:22-30 is Jesus Christ/ the Craftsman of Proverbs 8:22,30..
Paul identified him as Jesus Christ @ 1 Cor 1:24 & Hebrew 1:2 God made Wisdom as the beginning of his creation.
The same message of Paul in Colossians 1:15 & Jesus revealed in Rev 3:14.

Janosky:
The Wisdom personified in Proverbs 8:22-30 is Jesus Christ/ the Craftsman of Proverbs 8:22,30..
Paul identified him as Jesus Christ @ 1 Cor 1:24 & Hebrew 1:2 God made Wisdom as the beginning of his creation.
The same message of Paul in Colossians 1:15 & Jesus revealed in Rev 3:14.
Provers 8:22 NLT screenshot is solid evidence..

You don't even know that the Wisdom personified is a woman. Is Jesus a woman? This is silly.

MetalJigsaw:
You don't even know that the Wisdom personified is a woman. Is Jesus a woman? This is silly.

So a woman was with God in the beginning shey?
You sabi no be small, abeg àbí nah woman be holy spirit since you said:

MetalJigsaw:
The Holy spirit was also involved in creation not only Christ.
If you read verse 7 it tells you. Its actually "Wisdom" speaking as a person its a proverb

😀

MaxInDHouse:
So a woman was with God in the beginning shey?
You sabi no be small, abeg àbí nah woman be holy spirit since you said:
😀

I want to believe that you're an educated fellow.

IT IS A PROVERB. Hence the name of the book PROVERBS. It is speaking in the form of a person or woman but its not literally a person.

Wisdom is the attribute of God from the beginning and God used his infinite wisdom to create the universe that's what the passage is saying.

There is nowhere it says or describes itself to be Jesus, why are you giving it your own interpretation.

MetalJigsaw:
I want to believe that you're an educated fellow.
IT IS A PROVERB. Hence the name if the book PROVERBS.

Guy stop deceiving yourself Jesus always speak in Proverbs {Matthew 13:13} so the person talking in the Bible book of Proverbs explicitly stated that he was with God in the beginning {Proverbs 8:22-30} and that he loves mankind! Proverbs 8:31

If you like continue deceiving yourself no right thinking individual will see all these evidences and continue arguing blindly!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy stop deceiving yourself Jesus always speak in Proverbs {Matthew 13:13} so the person talking in the Bible book of Proverbs explicitly stated that he was with God in the beginning {Proverbs 8:22-30} and that he loves mankind! Proverbs 8:31

If you like continue deceiving yourself no right thinking individual will see all these evidences and continue arguing blindly!

Is the "wisdom" in that context a man or a woman??

MetalJigsaw:
Is the "wisdom" in that context a man or a woman??

Is it a woman that was with God in the beginning? John 1:2

MaxInDHouse:
Is it a woman that was with God in the beginning? John 1:2

Answer the question or just accept that you're a very intellectually dishonest and arrogant individual...

I ask again,

Is the Wisdom in that context a man or a woman?

MetalJigsaw:
Answer the question or just accept that you're a very intellectually dishonest and arrogant individual...
I ask again,
Is the Wisdom in that context a man or a woman?

Answer the question or just accept that you are a programmed religionists.

Is it a woman that was with God in the beginning? John 1:2🤔