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Re: Is Jesus God? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:55am On Mar 08

MetalJigsaw:
That's true.

In Matthew 28:18 (NIV), Jesus declares,
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me," marking the start of the "Great Commission".

This statement establishes the resurrected Jesus as the supreme ruler over the universe, authorizing his disciples to go and make disciples of all nations.

Context: These words are spoken by Jesus to his disciples on a mountain in Galilee after his resurrection.

Significance: It serves as the foundation for the command to preach and teach, as the authority behind the mission is total, covering both heavenly and earthly realms

Actually the word "has been given to me" means that He already had it even before He Said it in Mathew 28:18.

So, the question is when was Jesus given such Authority? And the is what i sent the jw guy to go and check which is why he has been wailing and complaining since because he can now see and feel that his jw colt people are Lieyars, hence all his wails and desperation to change the Truth into the Lies he has been fed with and he has eaten too much.

grin

See, in Pain the jw guy has removed all my comments to him

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Re: Is Jesus God? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:11am On Mar 08

Jw 10, Deleting all my comments won't change the fact that you quoted the fake nkjv Colossians 1:16. Which said

New King James Version
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him

How can Jesus be the creator when things are Created through Him?

Whereas the kjv said " By Him".

And I pointed out that even your fake nkjv even said the Truth at first in saying "By Him" at the beginning.

So cry and wail jws for Jesus is God! grin

Dem think say na only John 1 dem need to change. grin

Gabrielshow, Tctrills come see again how jws dey wail so tey dem don delete my comments to dem as dem run since dem no fit get any valid counter. grin

Re: Is Jesus God? by MetalJigsaw(m): 9:57am On Mar 08

Dtruthspeaker:
Actually the word "has been given to me" means that He already had it even before He Said it in Mathew 28:18.

So, the question is when was Jesus given such Authority? And the is what i sent the jw guy to go and check which is why he has been wailing and complaining since because he can now see and feel that his jw colt people are Lieyars, hence all his wails and desperation to change the Truth into the Lies he has been fed with and he has eaten too much.

See, in Pain the jw guy has removed all my comments to him

Lol.. but i haven't clearly understood both your arguments

Re: Is Jesus God? by MetalJigsaw(m): 10:22am On Mar 08

MaxInDHouse:
This verse is erroneously translated the correct rendering is:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

This correlate with the beliefs of Christ's disciples in the first century.
Peter quoted David saying:

'Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."' Act 234-35 compare to Psalms 110:1

So in your own Bible what you will see is:

The LORD said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”

Here Jehovah is the LORD while Jesus is the smaller Lord.

Check it out in your own copy of the Bible and see what Peter believe.

In fact he said:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” ‭Acts 2:36 NIV‬

Did Peter believe that Jesus is Almighty God?

NO!

Rather Peter said about Jesus:

, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” ‭Matthew 16:16 NIV‬

I don't know why you keep quoting me with your devilis scripture-twisting monologs without relevant biblical reference even when you know I'm done .

Which Bible version says "a god" instead of God (apart from your cooked up JW book)? show us!

In the Greek Bible ( which is the original language) the word God is "THEOS".

And THEOS (God) is used for both God and his Word in John 1 v 1 !!

Re: Is Jesus God? by MetalJigsaw(m): 10:32am On Mar 08

Truthseeker10:
1)Kindly look at the question again that you replied to in the screenshot below. It is simple and clear.

I was not asking for you to list out roles. I was asking you what Authorities that the father had that the son did not have since you claimed that the father has more Authorities than the son

2)What you explained earlier was humans partaking of God's nature by imitating God's character such as love, holiness and goodness. This is one view of Trinitarians.

Do you agree that 2 Peter 1:4 teaches that humans would be in union with God by participating in His divine energies, sharing in His life and Grace

Maybe it wasn't you that asked that question, but someone definitely asked

Re: Is Jesus God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:33am On Mar 08

"By their fruits you will know"

Says Jesus.

Can you mention a better translation and the church that's using it for everyone to see if such a transition is producing dedicated and active disciples like the NWT?

All your translations and translators are producing weeds that's why you can't mention the name of your church at least you know JWs have our own translation and we are the only group that's globally producing the FRUIT as in doing the WORK of faith! James 2:18-26🙂

MetalJigsaw:
I don't know why you keep quoting me with your devilish scripture twisting monologs without relevant biblical reference even when you know I'm done .

Which Bible version says "a god" instead of God (apart from your cooked up JW book)? show us!

In the Greek Bible ( which is the original language) the word God is "THEOS".

And THEOS (God) is used for both God and his Word in John 1 v 1 !!

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.

Re: Is Jesus God? by Truthseeker10: 10:34am On Mar 08

MetalJigsaw:
I don't know why you keep quoting me with your devilis scripture-twisting monologs without relevant biblical reference even when you know I'm done .

Which Bible version says "a god" instead of God (apart from your cooked up JW book)? show us!

In the Greek Bible ( which is the original language) the word God is "THEOS".

And THEOS (God) is used for both God and his Word in John 1 v 1 !!

Below in the screenshot is the Greek meaning for God and god in respect to John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4.

What's the difference in meaning between God and god according to the screenshot below.

Re: Is Jesus God? by Truthseeker10: 10:37am On Mar 08

MetalJigsaw:
Maybe it wasn't you that asked that question, but someone definitely asked

Kindly answer the questions below sir. It seems to me that you are running away.

1)Kindly look at the question again that you replied to in the screenshot below. It is simple and clear.

I was not asking for you to list out roles. I was asking you what Authorities that the father had that the son did not have since you claimed that the father has more Authorities than the son

2)What you explained earlier was humans partaking of God's nature by imitating God's character such as love, holiness and goodness. This is one view of Trinitarians.

Do you agree that 2 Peter 1:4 teaches that humans would be in union with God by participating in His divine energies, sharing in His life and Grace

Re: Is Jesus God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:40am On Mar 08

Truthseeker10:
Below in the screenshot is the Greek meaning for God and god in respect to John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4.
What's the difference in meaning between God and god according to the screenshot below.

Once he's lost the next thing is to run away from you and focus on others as if they are weaker to him.
He wants to avoid me after using the scriptures to prove him wrong! cheesy

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Re: Is Jesus God? by Truthseeker10: 10:46am On Mar 08

MaxInDHouse:
Once he's lost the next thing is to run away from you and focus on others as if they are weaker to him.
He wants to avoid me after using the scriptures to prove him wrong!

He seems not to understand what he is teaching. He claims the father has more Authorities than the son according to Trinity. I have told him to tell me one Authority that the Father has that the son does not have, He has not provided one.

I asked him to explain 2 Peter 1:4. He used AI to give me answer. He doesn't know that not all of his Fellow Trinitarians accepts the answer that he gave me with Ai. I have asked him if he agrees with the opinion of his other Trinitarians, till now no answer.

He really needs help.

Re: Is Jesus God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:51am On Mar 08

Truthseeker10:
He really needs help.

You know but to him he feels you are against his god so he wants to fight back even though he doesn't know how to go about it!

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Re: Is Jesus God? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:10pm On Mar 08

MetalJigsaw:
Lol.. but i haven't clearly understood both your arguments

Ah!
What do you not understand?

Re: Is Jesus God? by MetalJigsaw(m): 5:17pm On Mar 08

Truthseeker10:
Kindly answer the questions below sir. It seems to me that you are running away.

1)Kindly look at the question again that you replied to in the screenshot below. It is simple and clear.

I was not asking for you to list out roles. I was asking you what Authorities that the father had that the son did not have since you claimed that the father has more Authorities than the son

2)What you explained earlier was humans partaking of God's nature by imitating God's character such as love, holiness and goodness. This is one view of Trinitarians.

Do you agree that 2 Peter 1:4 teaches that humans would be in union with God by participating in His divine energies, sharing in His life and Grace

Claiming I'm running away when I'm literally reply mentions is crazy bro .. Dey check well.

Try making your questions brief and direct. I'm allergic to long posts.

About 1 Peter again:
Yes, reunion with God and being fre from sin and tribulation, what's wrong with that

Re: Is Jesus God? by MetalJigsaw(m): 5:27pm On Mar 08

Truthseeker10:
Below in the screenshot is the Greek meaning for God and god in respect to John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4.

What's the difference in meaning between God and god according to the screenshot below.

He said "a god" which is not used in John 1 v 1. So I was telling him its "theos" which means "God" the divine

Re: Is Jesus God? by MetalJigsaw(m): 5:34pm On Mar 08

MaxInDHouse:
This verse is erroneously translated the correct rendering is:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

This correlate with the beliefs of Christ's disciples in the first century.
Peter quoted David saying:

'Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."' Act 234-35 compare to Psalms 110:1

So in your own Bible what you will see is:

The LORD said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”

Here Jehovah is the LORD while Jesus is the smaller Lord.

Check it out in your own copy of the Bible and see what Peter believe.

In fact he said:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” ‭Acts 2:36 NIV‬

Did Peter believe that Jesus is Almighty God?

NO!

Rather Peter said about Jesus:

, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” ‭Matthew 16:16 NIV‬

Mr man, All of Jesus disciples believe Jesus is their God and creator

The same Acts you quoted, in the next chapter.

‭Acts 3:15 NIV‬

You killed the author of life but he rose from the dead

Re: Is Jesus God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:13pm On Mar 08

MetalJigsaw:
Mr man, All of Jesus disciples believe Jesus is their God and creator
The same Acts you quoted, in the next chapter.
‭Acts 3:15 NIV‬
You killed the author of life but he rose from the dead

Erroneous transactions!😀

Whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.

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Re: Is Jesus God? by Janosky: 12:05am On Mar 09

Dtruthspeaker:
Jw 10, Deleting all my comments won't change the fact that you quoted the fake nkjv Colossians 1:16. Which said

New King James Version
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him

How can Jesus be the creator when things are Created through Him?

Whereas the kjv said " By Him".

And I pointed out that even your fake nkjv even said the Truth at first in saying "By Him" at the beginning.

So cry and wail jws for Jesus is God!

Dem think say na only John 1 dem need to change.

Gabrielshow, Tctrills come see again how jws dey wail so tey dem don delete my comments to dem as dem run since dem no fit get any valid counter.

Oga,pls learn more & speak from a position of knowledge.
The Greek word @ Colossians 1:16 is "DIA" (meaning THROUGH ) him".
The same word (DIA ) is at Romans 7:25, John 1:3, 1 Cor 8:6, Hebrew 1:2.
" God created the Universe ( DIA) Through His Son."

For instance at Romans 7:25.
" Thanks be to God through (dia | διά | prep-gen) Jesus Christ our Lord"

@ Romans 7:25, are you giving thanks to Jesus ?
Definitely not.
Rather, Jesus is the channel,Agency you give thanks to God.
Likewise, @ Colossians 1:16, Jesus Christ is the Agency ,Channel of Creation .
God our Father is the Creator ,NOT his Son, Hebrew 1:2 ,John 1:3, Col 1:16..

Colossians 1:16 for in him all things were created, things all in heaven and on earth, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers — all things have been created through (di | δι᾿ | prep-gen) him and for him. have been created
Source : Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear(

Re: Is Jesus God? by Janosky: 12:15am On Mar 09

MetalJigsaw:
Mr man, All of Jesus disciples believe Jesus is their God and creator

The same Acts you quoted, in the next chapter.

‭Acts 3:15 NIV‬

You killed the author of life but he rose from the dead

@John 20:17 & John 13:16, Oga do you know more than Jesus ?

Malachi 2:10 & Ephesians 4:6.
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us?

You give your opinion & in the holy scriptures ,Jesus refutes your viewpoint.

Re: Is Jesus God? by Janosky: 12:19am On Mar 09

Dtruthspeaker:
Actually the word "has been given to me" means that He already had it even before He Said it in Mathew 28:18.

So, the question is when was Jesus given such Authority? And the is what i sent the jw guy to go and check which is why he has been wailing and complaining since because he can now see and feel that his jw colt people are Lieyars, hence all his wails and desperation to change the Truth into the Lies he has been fed with and he has eaten too much.

See, in Pain the jw guy has removed all my comments to him

1 Corinthians 15:20,24-27.

Study your Bible pls .

Re: Is Jesus God? by Janosky: 12:26am On Mar 09

MetalJigsaw:
I don't know why you keep quoting me with your devilis scripture-twisting monologs without relevant biblical reference even when you know I'm done .

Which Bible version says "a god" instead of God (apart from your cooked up JW book)? show us!

In the Greek Bible ( which is the original language) the word God is "THEOS".

And THEOS (God) is used for both God and his Word in John 1 v 1 !!

Oga, this is the Age of Information,you have the tools,pls go and learn.

John 1;1, Sahidic Coptic Bible (c 200 AD).
Emphatic Diaglott (c 1864). John 1:1.
14 different versions of the bible have same rendition of John 1:1 as NWT.
See the screenshots evidence.

Re: Is Jesus God? by Janosky: 12:45am On Mar 09

MetalJigsaw:
Here is how Jesus is in heaven based on biblical descriptions:

*Physically Present: Jesus did not discard his human body; he ascended with a body of "flesh and bones" that is immortal, capable of entering heaven, yet still bears the scars of his crucifixion.

* Reigning as King: He is actively reigning from his throne as King of Kings and Lord of all creation.
Interceding for Believers: He serves as the Great High Priest and Advocate for believers, mediating between them and God.

* Preparing a Place: He is preparing a dwelling place for his followers.

Visible Presence: While in heaven, he is also described as being present with believers on earth through the Holy Spirit.

Oga,your description no dey your Bible.

Paul was inspired to write 1 Cor 15:20,45,50 that the resurrected Jesus Christ is a spirit in heaven .
But you quoted comments of people who rejected Paul's inspired message & they can't even show you any Bible verse to back up their claims.

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Re: Is Jesus God? by Janosky: 12:48am On Mar 09

ichuka:
Jesus Christ is God!
One had to have the Spirit of God in him in order to discern or understand the bible.
Without His Spirit in us , reading and interpreting the Bible on our selves is wrong.
Imams and other religions does that too
But with distorted information.

Which spirit is more knowledgeable than the spirit guiding Jesus teaching at John 20:17 & John 13:16?

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Re: Is Jesus God? by Janosky: 12:53am On Mar 09

Dtruthspeaker:
We were not talking about John 17, or about Paul nor Pharoah and Joseph but about Mathew 28:18, so you are talking Off Point and you do not have any reasonable thing say on this issue, so go and cry in your place

A long epistle conflicting against the truth of 1 Cor 15:24-27.

This principle was put into action in Egypt.
Pharaoh was king &;he gave authority to Joseph.
Was pharaoh subject under Joseph authority ?

No .
Oga, stop deceiving yourself .

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Re: Is Jesus God? by MetalJigsaw(m): 4:14am On Mar 09

Dtruthspeaker:
Actually the word "has been given to me" means that He already had it even before He Said it in Mathew 28:18.

So, the question is when was Jesus given such Authority? And the is what i sent the jw guy to go and check which is why he has been wailing and complaining since because he can now see and feel that his jw colt people are Lieyars, hence all his wails and desperation to change the Truth into the Lies he has been fed with and he has eaten too much.

See, in Pain the jw guy has removed all my comments to him

He deletes my comments too. They don't want the truth.

Re: Is Jesus God? by MetalJigsaw(m): 4:18am On Mar 09

Janosky:
Oga,your description no dey your Bible.

Paul was inspired to write 1 Cor 15:20,45,50 that the resurrected Jesus Christ is a spirit in heaven .
But you quoted comments of people who rejected Paul's inspired message & they can't even show you any Bible verse to back up their claims.

Deleting my comments is now your tactics??

Why do you quote me if you don't want me to keep exposing your lies and throwing you under the the bus?

‭Acts 1:9-11 NIV‬

[9] After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

[10] They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.

[11] “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

cc Dtruthspeaker

Re: Is Jesus God? by Truthseeker10: 9:46am On Mar 09

MetalJigsaw:
Claiming I'm running away when I'm literally reply mentions is crazy bro .. Dey check well.

Try making your questions brief and direct. I'm allergic to long posts.

About 1 Peter again:
Yes, reunion with God and being fre from sin and tribulation, what's wrong with that

1)I was not asking for you to list out roles. I was asking you what Authorities that the father had that the son did not have since you claimed that the father has more Authorities than the son. Kindly list them.

2)According to 2 Peter 1:4 Do you agree partaking in God's nature means that we will participating in His divine energies, sharing in His life and Grace

Re: Is Jesus God? by Truthseeker10: 9:48am On Mar 09

MetalJigsaw:
He said "a god" which is not used in John 1 v 1. So I was telling him its "theos" which means "God" the divine

1)So what's the difference between the "God" used in John 1:1 and "god" used in 2 Corinthians 4:4

Re: Is Jesus God? by MetalJigsaw(m): 12:53pm On Mar 09

Truthseeker10:
1)So what's the difference between the "God" used in John 1:1 and "god" used in 2 Corinthians 4:4

You're asking silly questions. The point is there's a difference between "God" and "a god" which is trying to squeeze into the verse. Nobody mentioned "god"

Re: Is Jesus God? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:41pm On Mar 09

MetalJigsaw:
He deletes my comments too. They don't want the truth.

Clear proof that they know that they are liars

Re: Is Jesus God? by MetalJigsaw(m): 4:51pm On Mar 09

Truthseeker10:
1)I was not asking for you to list out roles. I was asking you what Authorities that the father had that the son did not have since you claimed that the father has more Authorities than the son. Kindly list them.

2)According to 2 Peter 1:4 Do you agree partaking in God's nature means that we will participating in His divine energies, sharing in His life and Grace

That's not saying we will share in his Glory and literally become equal to God. If that's what you're assuming.

Re: Is Jesus God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:58pm On Mar 09

But that's the same expression you are applying to Jesus o claiming he is God!😀

MetalJigsaw:
That's not saying we will share in his Glory and literally become equal to God. If that's what you're assuming.

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