dare2think:

Same can be said the other way round!!

You mean original freethinkers will pretend to be jujuists in public?. May be I misread you sha.

seguun:
You mean original freethinkers will pretend to be jujuists in public?. May be I misread you sha.

Yes. People who pretend to be jujuist, occultist or religious but are actually free-thinkers.

Most fraudsters and charlatans fit into that category. They knowingly deceive people and sell false hopes.

logica: The word "id1ot" is censored and will not show; in case you are wondering why it keeps disappearing from your post.

thanks please.

dare2think:

Yes. People who pretend to be jujuist, occultist or religious but are actually free-thinkers.

Most fraudsters and charlatans fit into that category. They knowingly deceive people and sell false hopes.

Exactly. Many pastors fit into this category.

logica: Exactly. Many pastors fit into this category.

Well! That still does not say ritual money or the devil is not real.

Satan will bless us with riches if we worship him.we worship him when we commit sins esp murder.though we commit sins without the intent of worshiping satan,we expressly declare our intent to worship him when we go to his agents(priests)and agree to commit murder(obtaining body parts from pple) in exchange for riches.these body parts in themselves cannot produce cash,the reason why pple who do rituals have businesses they run.their biz will continue to thrive as long as they keep their end of the bargain which is killing periodically.from an ordinary perspective it would seem as if such pple have good business sense,and we learn from their biz ideas and even make them our mentors.as pple involved in blood money as they age their consciences usually catch up with them as they no longer have peace of mind,some come out openly to confess their sins before family members or the public.it is noticed that shortly after they do so,all their fortunes begin to dwindle and eventually they die penniless and miserable.the blessings of Jah is what makes rich and He adds no pains with it.

seguun:
Well! That still does not say ritual money or the devil is not real.

And how did you arrive at this profound conclusion?

dare2think:

Yes. People who pretend to be jujuist, occultist or religious but are actually free-thinkers.

Most fraudsters and charlatans fit into that category. They knowingly deceive people and sell false hopes.

You may be right , but shaitan (the devil) is real hence ritual money is real.

logica: And how did you arrive at this profound conclusion?

Before anything, do you believe there is God?

I no know book:


You better say no to temptation. I know you are thinking about doing rituals already and just wanted to test the waters and see if actually it will work for you. Please, I beg you in the name of God, don't do it! What will it benefit you to kill another human? And for that little boy you are already thinking of using, better not try it. Thanks you.

hahaha, wat wud i need it for?? unless e go help me loose weight, dats the only thing am lacking right now

seguun:
Before anything, do you believe there is God?

Standard 9ja tactic; answering a question with a question. I am sure your explanation for arriving at the conclusion is independent of my belief; otherwise it is subjective and therefore illogical.

bebe2: guys pls search for all this tricks they are using to keep our pple in bondage, let expose them. post the videos or links here.

you still did not answer my first question? magic is for entertainment, cults and occultism exist and they are not for entertainment. @bebe2 are you an atheist? If you want to see the power of God come to Akure on May 1, to satisfy your curiosity. Prayer centre church of God.

I laugh at dare2think, you speak like you know it all, I do not need to convince you that spirituality exists I wish one day you will come across it yourself.
I do not see reason behind your linking national development to spiritual issues the way you make it seem;was Gowon shackled to a grove when he was ruling? Did IBB claim he was under the influence of marabouts when he began the structural adjustment program?
Oriental nations are also spiritually inclined so why are asian countries better off,or you think they don't have buddha or krishna?
lol,you dont know everything neither do I so accept or discard my comments the fact still remains.

lari03: you still did not answer my first question? magic is for entertainment, cults and occultism exist and they are not for entertainment. @bebe2 are you an atheist? If you want to see the power of God come to Akure on May 1, to satisfy your curiosity. Prayer centre church of God.

I laugh at dare2think, you speak like you know it all, I do not need to convince you that spirituality exists I wish one day you will come across it yourself.
I do not see reason behind your linking national development to spiritual issues the way you make it seem;was Gowon shackled to a grove when he was ruling? Did IBB claim he was under the influence of marabouts when he began the structural adjustment program?
Oriental nations are also spiritually inclined so why are asian countries better off,or you think they don't have buddha or krishna?
lol,you dont know everything neither do I so accept or discard my comments the fact still remains.

I laugh at your ignorance.

At what point did I assert to knowing everything? If you can't come up with a better argument why not keep mute?

All I ask on this thread is evidence of the so called ritual money and most are playing about like messi with nothing substantial.

The Asiatic countries you speak off use industrialisation as the platform for economic growth and used spirituality as personal ideologies and consider ridiculous myths as fables.

Silly beliefs such as sango or money rituals ( which no one has yet to witness) hold the socio-economic development of countries back as people with proactive and practical solutions are not given the chance to activate their progressive ideas.

Please, once again, have you personally witnessed any money ritual inoder to ascertain its authencity?

I ask further, what has the spirituality that you claim exist done for Nigeria as a whole? Are we more consentious? Are we less corrupt? Do we really fear God? Do we love each other more?

What has it done?

lari03: magic is for entertainment, cults and occultism exist and they are not for entertainment.

Really? So the example of the dancing mat is not entertainment eh? It is juju and occult. Dude we are no longer in primary school. That dancing mat for instance; if the dude that was so impressed had lifted the mat, does he think he would not find a hole with somebody inside? Or you think they will allow you move or lift the mat? When you open your mind like a chute, ALL thing become pellucid (very clear).

I saw this quote by Mohammed Ali and though I should share:

A rooster crows only when it sees the light. Put him in the dark and he would never crow. I have seen the light and I am crowing.

@ logica your last comment is like so funny I'd rather not argue with you, because we have had different experiences and so we will look at things differently. but the fact remains that the occult is a dark secret association. Magicians may belong, but you don't know half of what they do on a daily.

@ dare2think lol, you are spinning the same web, Whenever you come to Nigeria ask in your village if there's a dibia or marabout that performs rituals and my guess is they will tell you such people exist.

lari03: @ logica your last comment is like so funny I'd rather not argue with you, because we have had different experiences and so we will look at things differently. but the fact remains that the occult is a dark secret association. Magicians may belong, but you don't know half of what they do on a daily.

@ dare2think lol, you are spinning the same web, Whenever you come to Nigeria ask in your village if there's a dibia or marabout that performs rituals and my guess is they will tell you such people exist.

If that's you way of saying you don't have proofs. No problem.

logica: I saw this quote by Mohammed Ali and though I should share:

when you have lived in a environment with poultry you will find that this statement by Mohamed Ali is not quite correct, young roosters crow even before the first sight of dawn.

lari03: when you have lived in a environment with poultry you will find that this statement by Mohamed Ali is not quite correct, young roosters crow even before the first sight of dawn.

Dude, it is called "False Dawn" for a reason. He is still correct simply because the rooster saw light and crowed.

lari03: @ logica your last comment is like so funny I'd rather not argue with you, because we have had different experiences and so we will look at things differently. but the fact remains that the occult is a dark secret association. Magicians may belong, but you don't know half of what they do on a daily.

Your last sentence is what I find puzzling. Ok he does not know 'half' of what they do, leaving us to believe you have some insider knowledge of some kind!

Yet to give proof Na jamb?

lari03: @ logica your last comment is like so funny I'd rather not argue with you, because we have had different experiences and so we will look at things differently. but the fact remains that the occult is a dark secret association. Magicians may belong, but you don't know half of what they do on a daily.

It is "dark" to you because you close your mind and don't allow illumination; which is what our own version of Criss Angel would rather have: that you remain in darkness.

Once again using the example of the "dancing mat", see how the trick was apparent to me even without being there. I don't need to be there to know a mat cannot dance of its own, so there must be a rational explanation. All tricks can be explained. Open your mind and think rationally and stop thinking like you are in primary 3, and then ALL things will become clear. Nobody will be able to deceive you with primary school tricks again.

@ logica

To further buttress your point. Joagbaje from the religious section once posted a story online about the 'magnificent' power of a 'man of god' from one of the eastern countries.

Guess what the power was? The man, during a crusade,said that it would rain.

Alas, it started raining! Strangely some people were there with umbrella's already.

Main point: my damn iPhone can do the same in more than 20 countries

spiritual control the physical. to ANY geniune their is counterfeit. life goes beyond what you see
there are powers greater than human being
money ritual can be so possible.sure i just pray you are not a giving of this evil act.
do you belif in okigbe, udeshi?
do you belif in ayeta, apeta,egbo ada ijina, do you belif a girl can be walking about in old woman skin?
my sister there are lot of things one cannot explain merely, they are spiritual

dare2think:

Your last sentence is what I find puzzling. Ok he does not know 'half' of what they do, leaving us to believe you have some insider knowledge of some kind!

Yet to give proof Na jamb?

lol I can see you are getting all riled up by my words let me explain better how am I to know what you did when you woke up this morning? that's the line of thought that I expressed above. Proof of money rituals I have no personal experience, but on spiritual matters I dare say : Yes I am a christian and I know the spiritual exists because I live it, walk it and understand that I exist because I was created™, I did not evolve from inanimate matter, there was a conscious design, an intricate plan, a purpose beyond mere existence.

Jeez! Can't believe this thread's still open. How can some pple compare parlor tricks to traditional voodoo? Just ask urself these ?s; hw are kings coronated in Yorubaland, hw come theirs a robbery and there is this one man they won't touch, hw can a trader receive money only for all the cash in her purse to disappear, hw come this guy always leaves a scene just b4 something bad's about to happen, hw could one man in ur village live so long most of his children and grandchildren are dead, hw come a guy is being chased by a mob and all he does is jog without them getting anywhere close to him until he suddenly vanishes, hw do u keep macheting, stabbing or shooting a man without effect. These things exist, bt if u can't believe them, then u've lost sense of tradition. Like I said in my earlier post, consequences for these things are grave, hence the use of human parts for most of them.

lari03: lol I can see you are getting all riled up by my words let me explain better how am I to know what you did when you woke up this morning? that's the line of thought that I expressed above. Proof of money rituals I have no personal experience, but on spiritual matters I dare say : Yes I am a christian and I know the spiritual exists because I live it, walk it and understand that I exist because I was created™, I did not evolve from inanimate matter, there was a conscious design, an intricate plan, a purpose beyond mere existence.

Not really, nothing to be riled about.

Your proof of the existence of spirituality to me is that you 'live it and walk it'?

Sigh. That'll do.

@ logica will you join the rosicrucian order to find out what tricks they are up to? lol..............

dare2think:

Not really, nothing to be riled about.

Your proof of the existence of spirituality to me is that you 'live it and walk it'?

Sigh. That'll do.

ok you require a public figure...... ehmn ..... is Madonna good enough for you she was involved with Kaballah ( some jewish spiritual sect and I dont think I got the spelling correctly.) Or Tom Cruise and the scientologists? ofcourse no matter what I say you can always pick a point and go off on a tangent explaining my ignorance or lack of proof.lol

dare2think:

I laugh at your ignorance.

At what point did I assert to knowing everything? If you can't come up with a better argument why not keep mute?

All I ask on this thread is evidence of the so called ritual money and most are playing about like messi with nothing substantial.

The Asiatic countries you speak off use industrialisation as the platform for economic growth and used spirituality as personal ideologies and consider ridiculous myths as fables.

Silly beliefs such as sango or money rituals ( which no one has yet to witness) hold the socio-economic development of countries back as people with proactive and practical solutions are not given the chance to activate their progressive ideas.

Please, once again, have you personally witnessed any money ritual inoder to ascertain its authencity?

so u guys actually expect someone to come online and admit to occultic practices.
its like u guys dont know the meaning of occultism
Where in the world is occultism open or branded as a theatre show?
Its secret and engulfed in darkness. U never know until you enter, those outside only have a vague idea of whats its all about.
And trust me u never want to know.
And in case u dont know, most of their activities are against the laws of the land - just like armed robbery - thus its not something for open discussion.
I dont know if you guys were grown up during the otokoto saga of the 1990s in owerri. Most men involved in the case have been convicted and sentenced to death by the state.
There was also the case of some 3 osu boys who were rounded up by the police after purchasing new hummer jeeps. The 3 confessed to money rituals.
Besides industrialization has nothing to do with cultural belief system of the people, in fact in most cases they do co-exist.
India is an emerging economy but they are also rich in black magic and occultic sects.
japan u mentioned also has Myo-o and aum shinrikyo sects.

lari03: ok you require a public figure...... ehmn ..... is Madonna good enough for you she was involved with Kaballah ( some jewish spiritual sect and I dont think I got the spelling correctly.) Or Tom Cruise and the scientologists? ofcourse no matter what I say you can always pick a point and go off on a tangent explaining my ignorance or lack of proof.lol

Dude, so the fact that these celebrities practices some form of religion is a valid proof that spirituality exist?

I mean really? when you used yourself as example i could not agree with you as only you know yourself and believe whatever you want to believe, its your choice.

But to use others,when we cant all see through their minds is taking the biscuits.

toluene12:

so u guys actually expect someone to come online and admit to occultic practices.
its like u guys dont know the meaning of occultism
Where in the world is occultism open or a theatre show?
Its secret and engulfed in darkness. U never know until you enter, those outside only have a vague idea of whats its all about.
And trust me u never want to know.
And in case u dont know, most of their activities are against the laws of the land - just like armed robbery.
I dont know if you guys were grown up during the otokoto saga of the 1990s in owerri. Most men involved in the case have been convicted and sentenced to death by the state.
There was also the case of some 3 osu boys who were rounded up by the police after purchasing new hummer jeeps. The 3 confessed to money rituals.
Besides industrialization has nothing to do with cultural belief system of the people, in fact in most cases they do co-exist.
India is an emerging economy but they are also rich in black magic and occultic sects.
japan u mentioned also has Myo-o and aum shinrikyo sects.

thanks for shedding more light on this thread.
@daretothink you really got bitten bad by the atheism bug, like I said earlier you will always find a point to dispute but am okay with that seriously lol, the thing is if you were in league with corrupt politicians will you go around shouting for the world to know that you and your guys are the hardest jiggas on the block?
funny the way you guys think but the bible explains it, you are like the greeks at the time of Caesar Augustus;you want everything to be logically explained but the world does not work that way, even your big bang theory has got loose ends; lollllll, so the few who grew in families that had religion when they were younger, got tired because they wanted explanations but all they got was religion : taste not, touch not etc I feel you for you yes I do because you never got to know relationship with God, the one on one friendship of prayer and worship, the guidiance that such a relationship brings when you are totally obedient and submitted to God.
am off this thread and the fact is there's a spiritual realm that even you the atheist, lives in and can influence once you know the rules.

toluene12:

U never know until you enter, those outside only have a vague idea of whats its all about.
And trust me u never want to know.
And in case u dont know, most of their activities are against the laws of the land - just like armed robbery - thus its not something for open discussion.

So do you belong to one, since you seem not to have a vague idea about them? pls tell me you belong to one else the above you wrote is just farcical.