logica: Standard 9ja tactic; answering a question with a question. I am sure your explanation for arriving at the conclusion is independent of my belief; otherwise it is subjective and therefore illogical.

toluene12:



Besides industrialization has nothing to do with cultural belief system of the people, in fact in most cases they do co-exist.

toluene12:

so u guys actually expect someone to come online and admit to occultic practices.
its like u guys dont know the meaning of occultism
Where in the world is occultism open or branded as a theatre show?
Its secret and engulfed in darkness. U never know until you enter, those outside only have a vague idea of whats its all about.
And trust me u never want to know.
And in case u dont know, most of their activities are against the laws of the land - just like armed robbery - thus its not something for open discussion.
I dont know if you guys were grown up during the otokoto saga of the 1990s in owerri. Most men involved in the case have been convicted and sentenced to death by the state.
There was also the case of some 3 osu boys who were rounded up by the police after purchasing new hummer jeeps. The 3 confessed to money rituals.
Besides industrialization has nothing to do with cultural belief system of the people, in fact in most cases they do co-exist.
India is an emerging economy but they are also rich in black magic and occultic sects.
japan u mentioned also has Myo-o and aum shinrikyo sects.

seguun:
My question is only meant to be sure that I'm not anwsering your question in futility. Abi! What is the use of explaining ritual money to someone who doesn't believe in God if perhaps you are one. God is the root of all spirituality if you (by chance) you don't believe in his existence, we can as well go into that discussion before moving to the next level.So my question is highly logical.

lari03: thanks for shedding more light on this thread.
@daretothink you really got bitten bad by the atheism bug, like I said earlier you will always find a point to dispute but am okay with that seriously lol, the thing is if you were in league with corrupt politicians will you go around shouting for the world to know that you and your guys are the hardest jiggas on the block?
funny the way you guys think but the bible explains it, you are like the greeks at the time of Caesar Augustus;you want everything to be logically explained but the world does not work that way, even your big bang theory has got loose ends; lollllll, so the few who grew in families that had religion when they were younger, got tired because they wanted explanations but all they got was religion : taste not, touch not etc I feel you for you yes I do because you never got to know relationship with God, the one on one friendship of prayer and worship, the guidiance that such a relationship brings when you are totally obedient and submitted to God.
am off this thread and the fact is there's a spiritual realm that even you the atheist, lives in and can influence once you know the rules.

seguun:
My question is only meant to be sure that I'm not anwsering your question in futility. Abi! What is the use of explaining ritual money to someone who doesn't believe in God if perhaps you are one. God is the root of all spirituality if you (by chance) you don't believe in his existence, we can as well go into that discussion before moving to the next level.So my question is highly logical.

pafo: Jeez! Can't believe this thread's still open. How can some pple compare parlor tricks to traditional voodoo? Just ask urself these ?s; hw are kings coronated in Yorubaland, hw come theirs a robbery and there is this one man they won't touch, hw can a trader receive money only for all the cash in her purse to disappear, hw come this guy always leaves a scene just b4 something bad's about to happen, hw could one man in ur village live so long most of his children and grandchildren are dead, hw come a guy is being chased by a mob and all he does is jog without them getting anywhere close to him until he suddenly vanishes, hw do u keep macheting, stabbing or shooting a man without effect. These things exist, bt if u can't believe them, then u've lost sense of tradition. Like I said in my earlier post, consequences for these things are grave, hence the use of human parts for most of them.

logica: Jezuz, you actually thought you were making sense and dishing profound knowledge. Just picking one of your "how come", go to China and see old people who lived so long. How come indeed. Lol @ stabbing or shooting a man without effect. You saw that right? Them never shoot am with 50-cal bullet, that's how come.

dare2think:

Where were these people when the white man came to enslave us. Where were the spirituality and charm in the face of bullets?

van bonattel:

Where in the bible, koran or any other religious books can you give us a quote to support your ritual beliefs? Dont bring God into this if you cannot prove he talked about it.

dare2think:

Can you share any first-hand experience with us?

CAMEROONPRIDE: Do you know the kind of experiments laboratories have to do on human but they cant because of ethic? How do you think they came up with fake breasts/silicon etc..they need the real thing no matter what.....they need dead bodies, ever heard about when I die give my brain to a laboratory? Being dead doesn't mean anything your organs can still b used for experiments, your bones, etc....anywayto each his own

logica: You don't seem to know what being logical is about. Like I pointed out, your question is subjective and illogical (as a result of being subjective).

van bonattel:

Sorry to burst your bubble, there is nothing like money rituals, can you prove its real with a personal experience instead of your long epistle of "them say, them say"

virtual7:

First hand. Experience? Don't know what u mean by that but if u doubt money rituals exists, please find out where kidnappings occur on a high, make ur research on these areas.I'm not talking abt ransom stuffs,I mean the type of kidnapping that they never find the person again.

Emusan:

Alot of you will just act as if you know it all.

I don't know atheist will turn this thread to something else. I thought bebe2 really wants to know something new not knowing she's among.

The major problem atheists have is "spirituality". Let me equate it with this and prove me wrong.

I don't believe anything like hypertension, HIV, diabetis exist. Confuse me here right now don't refer me to any website.

gendebs: Have any one guys tried it and it did nt work. Op it's real big tyme. I have not tried it and will never try it but i have seen misrable death of people that it's obvious they involve themselves in rituals. A young man in his early 40's slumbed and died with blood gushing out of his mouth for hours non stop and a mini coffin was on his chest. A guy in my area at mafoluku (john), when he died nobody dares enter house even thos pple living arnd that area at 9te dont sleep comfortably for some mnth. Abeg no follow them tak am say e no real and if u think otherwise i am going to Ijebu next month, do u mind goin wit me?

dare2think:

No all of Us dont know it, and the people that 'seem' to know it can't prove jack. Na story story.

As for you the ailments you mentioned, yes I believe it exist.

How?

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1. A family member of mine has been diagnosed with Hypertension. How do I know, she was prsecribed with the drugs and I saw her failing health.

2. A friend has been diagnosed with HIV. How Do I know, I saw the lesions all over her body that is often associated with it.

Do you doubt that? Type it in google and see people all over the world experiencing it.

3. My former manager at work and In-law both have diabetis. Proof. I saw their medication and how it affects their health.

As you can See, I have FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE in what you want to find out. If in doubt I will supply thousands of evidence from around the world to back up my claim. From Nigeria to Fiji, I have evidence.



Now you convince me about Money ritual that you have experienced with evidence to back it up!

Emusan:

You're very funny guy! I thought you will say HIV/Hypertension/Diabetis was diagnosed in your body as a personal experience.

You begin to mention family, friend e.t.c and want me to believe. Remember, we mention people that had personal experience of money ritual, testimony, people that police man have arrested of it, people who God has also delivered e.t.c.

It shows that you and your people have baseless fact.

Anyway, God will not allow those sickness to affect us. None has ever happened to me but the fact that it hasn't happened to me doesn't me I should say they are not real.

If it's not real people won't say it, people won't give testimony, people won't share their experience in media or newspaper, people won't do any deliverance.

The sad story there is the souls they have been wasted will face judgement too.

Be wise,

Emusan:



Anyway, God will not allow those sickness to affect us. None has ever happened to me but the fact that it hasn't happened to me doesn't me I should say they are not real.

dare2think:

Did any of what you ask me to convince you about happen to me?

Emusan:

That's my main point because it didn't happen to you thus you can't tell me it's real just because it happen to your family member or friend.

I said it's baseless because the way we give our fact about money ritual is the same way you give yours "story story" NO personal experience of it.


I didn't evading your question, I answered you base on the story you tell.

dare2think:

Mr emusan!

You are trying to play smart! How can you tell me to harvest and tell me not to use tools?

You asked me to convince you without websites, where most of my evidence lie.

How else will I show you evidence of my claims? Fly it to you?

You damn well know I have evidence, but you ask me not to use it, then you turn around and call them baseless?

Is honesty not part of a Christian value?

How else do I need to be convinced on the Internet without, publications, videos or pictures? All of which I can give to to ascertain my claims.

Emusan:

Look at yourself you just make me laugh here. You want to provide fact through internet and want me to believe. We have some site that prove evidence of God existence yet we have some who disprove His existence. Why can't you browse about money ritual and see whelther there will be answer or not.

@color red, then what about the lifeless body found in some places with missing part or police report or personal experience share in daily newspaper?

Even if some of these parts can be transplanting(as one of you claim), can human head/bosom/male organ be transplant? Then, why these parts are missing always?

Just allow spirituality to take place in your life once and see the glory of God and the devil.

bebe2: DAT ALSO MEANS THESE BODIES WILL NOT DECAY O,

DEM GO HUST DEY VOMIT MONEY

IGNORANCE BAD O

bebe2: DAT ALSO MEANS THESE BODIES WILL NOT DECAY O,

DEM GO HUST DEY VOMIT MONEY

IGNORANCE BAD O

toluene12:

so u guys actually expect someone to come online and admit to occultic practices.
its like u guys dont know the meaning of occultism
Where in the world is occultism open or branded as a theatre show?
Its secret and engulfed in darkness. U never know until you enter, those outside only have a vague idea of whats its all about.
And trust me u never want to know.
And in case u dont know, most of their activities are against the laws of the land - just like armed robbery - thus its not something for open discussion.
I dont know if you guys were grown up during the otokoto saga of the 1990s in owerri. Most men involved in the case have been convicted and sentenced to death by the state.
There was also the case of some 3 osu boys who were rounded up by the police after purchasing new hummer jeeps. The 3 confessed to money rituals.
Besides industrialization has nothing to do with cultural belief system of the people, in fact in most cases they do co-exist.
India is an emerging economy but they are also rich in black magic and occultic sects.
japan u mentioned also has Myo-o and aum shinrikyo sects.