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Candour:
Wao!! I guess nannymcphee can't win any which way then. When she appeared on WOF thread with her probing questions, I assumed she was CEC mole sent to scatter the thread hence my entrance to safely lead her out. Them some of you guys (Be specific) were so happy with her and even sort of reported BabaGnoni to her for further inquisition.

Now she's questioning your beliefs and she has suddenly become a suspicious person that you had to go-a-digging?

Can you honestly affirm that you've not made a wrong or incorrect assertion on NL since you joined?

Its funny sha

Well, a honest heart fears nothing. If indeed it was a mistake, surely nothing spoil irrespective of your assessment or mine.

Wish you a great evening bro

nannymcphee:
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Was the instant reply a function of his great faith or Gods sovereignty?

Gombs post: i can't remember, if i did, it must be a mix up!

Gombs:
I don't think he is, but I know he's a well seasoned teacher! He writes like he studied under Paul directly

The Bereans has got nothing on him. You should see Nlmediator in WORDIOLOGY or WORDIOGRAPHY.

How have you been? Been a while bro!

nannymcphee:
Hezekiah getting an instant harvest was a function of his faith abi ?

what happened to Hannah, hasn't she been praying all those years? So the recorded act of her making a vow to God, that brought Samuel was the one that she had great faith abi?

When David prayed & fasted, yet his child died. Didn't he have strong faith to have a harvest?

Paul thorn nko(whatever that torn might have been). Didn't Paul have great faith to cause a change?

BabaGnoni:
^^^
No, it wasn't him that was insinuating fraternizing with Kenneth Copeland or boasting he couldn't wait to attend Kenneth Copeland's Annual Convention in Dallas, Texas again.
- That was someone else

nlMediator:
Yeah, that was me. And it wasn't a boast. Fellowshipping with fellow believers is a thing of joy. And if you think it's a boast, good for you. Nothing to defend. Only trying to set the records straight.

And if you want to know further, I have also been in meetings by the biggest WOF and WOF-related names from Nigeria, including Idahosa, Oyedepo, Pastor Chris, Adeboye, and more.

Oh, and I've not ignored questions posed to me about laughter and warfare. I'd prefer not to derail this thread further and would be happy to address it in a separate thread.

And on angels serving believers, I applaud the excellent contributions made so far. I'll add a few points soon to support the great work already done, God willing.

BabaGnoni:
More grease to your elbow
but it's no skin off my teeth. I only helped set the record straight by telling a fact that was inaccurately stated.

Address it without the courage to watch "Baba's" Michael Jackson laughing videos - That will be the day!

paulGrundy:
Study his posts very well, I remember him saying at a thread that he was at a WOF meeting with clefo dollar, joel osteen and that they talked about Hagin. (Can't remember the thread and am trying to find the post).

Besides that he writes as though he recieves the revelation directly from God. Authoritativly, domineering as though the posts are addressed to thousands.



They both write alike, my eyes are on nlmediator too. Even winsomex/Drummaboy cannot stand the wisdom his posts exhumes.



I have been around, just that want to be on low key. I trust you are fine.

nlMediator:
Setting the record straight, while claiming that I BOASTED? That's some straight record!

And please don't give more ammunition to those who question your reading comprehension skills. That I said I don't click on the videos you guys send here does not translate into the conclusion that I have not seen the videos nor support your assumption that I lack the courage to watch them. It may surprise you to know that these videos exist elsewhere. For insance, I watched the Leroy Thompson-Creflo Dollar money video through a lady in the US that wrote a book on Prosperity. So, don't waste your time making baseless and fruitless assumptions.

It seems to be a stock-in-trade of some of you to quickly make conjectures and then elevate those conjectures to fact, which you then feed to the unwary. Sad.

Still on assumptions, it may shock you that not all that watch the neagitve videos come out abandoning WOF or Hagin.
Check this forum, for one.

Candour:
Actually there's one on this very thread and in the spirit of ''honestly trying to correct wrong and abusive practices", I took it as a mix up. If you doubt me, I could bring it up.

The point is that we all could make mistakes. I'll very much expect you to attack the veracity of her claims about your church of which she's a member than rubbish her integrity because of a 'blunder' for which she might have cogent explanations. I'm sure if it was one of our big 'mog', you would excuse it as a honest mistake which is the same way Hagin tried to explain away the wrongs of some of the mog in his book.

I believe you're on a quest to establish the truth based on Hagin's book? Pls let's focus on that and its related issues.

Cheers bro

trustman:
. Long held views are difficult to give up but humility goes a long way to make anyone teachable.
Thanks again.

Candour:
Actually there's one on this very thread and in the spirit of ''honestly trying to correct wrong and abusive practices", I took it as a mix up. If you doubt me, I could bring it up.

The point is that we all could make mistakes. I'll very much expect you to attack the veracity of her claims about your church of which she's a member than rubbish her integrity because of a 'blunder' for which she might have cogent explanations. I'm sure if it was one of our big 'mog', you would excuse it as a honest mistake which is the same way Hagin tried to explain away the wrongs of some of the mog in his book.

I believe you're on a quest to establish the truth based on Hagin's book? Pls let's focus on that and its related issues.

Cheers bro

nlMediator:
Your initial question to him was to provide instances of instant harvest in the Bible. He provided one. Now you're shifting the goal post to God's sovereignty? Please, God's sovereignty has nothing to do with this discussion. All it will do is to take us on a different tangent. E.g., why limit the question of God's sovereignty to those who sowed and had faith? What of those that did not sow or did not have faith? Can't God in His sovereignty provide them with what they need or want, such as healing as He did for Hezekiah that asked?

The reality is that there are many cases of people getting instant answers to prayers, especially as they exercised their faith. The woman with the issue of blood? Blind Bartimeus? Five loaves and two fish? Wine at the wedding? Indeed, virtually every case of healing or miracle by Jesus was an instant response to a need or request.

vooks:
Thank you Trustman,
Believers must always be on guard against human traditions that void the Word of God. These are powerful forces and am learning Christian traditions are no different from conspiracy theories. Earlier this year I was kicked out of a Christian forum for questioning their conspiracy leanings such as moon-landings-were-faked and Obama-is-the-beast. They said I was divisive whereas all I sought was to interrogate the claims. They said their leader had done sufficient research on this and nothing was necessary

Here I have broached a few traditions and the reactions are out there;
1. Isaac sowed in famine
2. Paul rebuked Peter in front of leaders and not rank and file
3. Jesus cursed a tree for not having a tree out of season
4. Blood of an infant comes from the father not the mother

The problem with traditions just like in Jesus time,is that they are given the force of scriptures. Nobody will admit that they heard it, they all claim it was some super spiritual revelation that birthed these ideas.

Have a blessed Lord's Day

nlMediator:
Setting the record straight, while claiming that I BOASTED? That's some straight record!

And please don't give more ammunition to those who question your reading comprehension skills. That I said I don't click on the videos you guys send here does not translate into the conclusion that I have not seen the videos nor support your assumption that I lack the courage to watch them. It may surprise you to know that these videos exist elsewhere. For insance, I watched the Leroy Thompson-Creflo Dollar money video through a lady in the US that wrote a book on Prosperity. So, don't waste your time making baseless and fruitless assumptions.

It seems to be a stock-in-trade of some of you to quickly make conjectures and then elevate those conjectures to fact, which you then feed to the unwary. Sad.

Still on assumptions, it may shock you that not all that watch the neagitve videos come out abandoning WOF or Hagin. Check this forum, for one.

nlMediator:
The reality is that there are many cases of people getting instant answers to prayers, especially as they exercised their faith. The woman with the issue of blood? Blind Bartimeus? Five loaves and two fish? Wine at the wedding? Indeed, virtually every case of healing or miracle by Jesus was an instant response to a need or request.

nannymcphee:
I believe there are so many roads that leads to Rome!! ie when faced with a challenge, a Christian has many option to tackle it.

He can pray, fast, worship, praise or a combination etc any can work depending on what he was led by the Holy Spirit to do at that time

BUT to say that one can get instant result as a result of one's great faith in all situations is something I will not agree to!!

There is nothing that suggest from the scriptures that Hezekiah got instant result because he had great faith(rather it was Gods mercy at work & the way he wanted things to go)

Where then is the instantness in "intercessory prayers"?

I asked earlier on, the bible shows that Hanah's family went up yearly & I'm sure(even though it wasn't stated) that she went to the temple to pray or at least have been praying year to year

was it just the recorded one that made God answer her prayers?

If yes, does it mean she didn't have faith in all her previous prayers?

As shown from scripture how men defied the laws of nature(Jesus walking on water, his ascension, Philips transportation, the sun being set back etc) I also believe the same can happen in the life of a Christian, YES his faith can make this happen but it's more of Gods mercy & Sovreignity!!

the foundation of this teaching lies in the diety of man & how he can get what he wants & when he wants it, so long as he has the God kind of faith

This teaching is dangerous because God has been left out of the picture, his will has been left out(there is a teaching out there that says praying according to the will of God is praying in the name of Jesus, what's the meaning of this? anything I ask in the name of Jesus with great faith will be granted?)

Hope you get the thrust of my post

nlMediator:
My brother, I appreciate your kind words and endorsement.

In reality, I see myself as a student who still has a lot to learn. And I've been learning from the many gifted people here.

Even the detractors on some occasions - admittedly rare - are able to make one or two good points that prove beneficial. In general though, it looks like they are here to remind us of the need to pray more for our many brethren out there and ask God to help them for they know not what they do!!

Bidam:
Your problem lies in your definition of Faith. Faith is NOT an option when praying for results.

nannymcphee:
There is nothing that suggest from the scriptures that Hezekiah got instant result because he had great faith(rather it was Gods mercy at work & the way he wanted things to go)

Where then is the instantness in "intercessory prayers"?

nannymcphee:
I believe there are so many roads that leads to Rome!! ie when faced with a challenge, a Christian has many option to tackle it.

He can pray, fast, worship, praise or a combination etc any can work depending on what he was led by the Holy Spirit to do at that time

BUT to say that one can get instant result as a result of one's great faith in all situations is something I will not agree to!!

There is nothing that suggest from the scriptures that Hezekiah got instant result because he had great faith(rather it was Gods mercy at work & the way he wanted things to go)

Where then is the instantness in "intercessory prayers"?

I asked earlier on, the bible shows that Hanah's family went up yearly & I'm sure(even though it wasn't stated) that she went to the temple to pray or at least have been praying year to year

was it just the recorded one that made God answer her prayers?

If yes, does it mean she didn't have faith in all her previous prayers?

As shown from scripture how men defied the laws of nature(Jesus walking on water, his ascension, Philips transportation, the sun being set back etc) I also believe the same can happen in the life of a Christian, YES his faith can make this happen but it's more of Gods mercy & Sovreignity!!

the foundation of this teaching lies in the diety of man & how he can get what he wants & when he wants it, so long as he has the God kind of faith

This teaching is dangerous because God has been left out of the picture, his will has been left out(there is a teaching out there that says praying according to the will of God is praying in the name of Jesus, what's the meaning of this? anything I ask in the name of Jesus with great faith will be granted?)

Hope you get the thrust of my post

Gombs:
Against my better judgement, did I reply to this post! A quick quiz please, where was God's mercy when Elijah prayed for no rains? Was that faith or God's mercy?

Like Bidam righly said, you have an issue with the definition of faith. James wrote

[NLT] James 1:6 But when you ask him, be sure that your faith is in God alone . Do not waver, for a person with divided loyalty is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is blown and tossed by the wind.
[NLT] James 1:7 Such people should not expect to receive anything from the Lord.


God is moved by faith ONLY, not mercy! if mercy moved God to change situations, why hasn't His mercy changed the situation in Syria?

vooks:
Gombs please quit regurgitating Rhapsodies BS
Philippians 2:25-27 (ESV)
I have thought it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus my brother and fellow worker and fellow soldier, and your messenger and minister to my need, 26 for he has been longing for you all and has been distressed because you heard that he was ill. 27 Indeed he was ill, near to death. But God had mercy on him, and not only on him but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.

That's Paul's co-worker healed due to MERCY!

nannymcphee:
Can you show me how your response addresses my post?

nannymcphee:
There is nothing that suggest from the scriptures that Hezekiah got instant result because he had great faith(rather it was Gods mercy at work & the way he wanted things to go)

Bidam:
Yes dear, for instance you said But if you care to read to whole chapters of 2 kings from 20 where you quoted to 21.you will find out it was actually God's mercy for Hezekiah to die and not the other way round as you presuppose. Since we know God is omniscient, the evil his sons did after him(Hezekiah) was far worse than the amorites the Lord had destroyed before the Israelite. Scripture records Manasseh shedding innocent blood filling Jerusalem from one end to another and causing Judah to commit evil in the eyes of God. Even his next son Amon inherited this evil too.

So Hezekiah prayers stayed the hands of a merciful God, he stayed back 15 years instead of going home to be with the Lord, and what was the result of all the work he did? No legacy, his sons shattered it.

vooks:
Gombs please quit regurgitating Rhapsodies BS
Philippians 2:25-27 (ESV)
I have thought it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus my brother and fellow worker and fellow soldier, and your messenger and minister to my need, 26 for he has been longing for you all and has been distressed because you heard that he was ill. 27 Indeed he was ill, near to death. But God had mercy on him, [size=16pt]and not only on him but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
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That's Paul's co-worker healed due to MERCY!

Gombs: God is moved by faith ONLY, not mercy! If mercy moved God to change situations, why hasn't His mercy changed the situation in Syria?


What healed the man? What moved God to heal that man, Faith or mercy? Without faith, you CANNOT get ANYTHING FROM GOD ....Oya quote Mark 1:41 for me!

Gombs:
Against my better judgement, did I reply to this post! A quick quiz please, where was God's mercy when Elijah prayed for no rains? Was that faith or God's mercy? Seeing he got an instant result? When he prayed and there was rains again, was he moved by Elijah's faith or mercy for those who the drought was ravishing?

Like Bidam righly said, you have an issue with the definition of faith. James wrote

[NLT] James 1:6 But when you ask him, be sure that your faith is in God alone . Do not waver, for a person with divided loyalty is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is blown and tossed by the wind.
[NLT] James 1:7 Such people should not expect to receive anything from the Lord.


God is moved by faith ONLY, not mercy! If mercy moved God to change situations, why hasn't His mercy changed the situation in Syria?