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| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 5:59pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
vooks:Au contraire, WOF has more miracles than all of you. Post some of your own experiences casting out demons, healing the sick and getting God to work. Critics hardly ever do. All they do is attack and attack some more. You certainly misunderstand or misrepresent WOF. WOF loves the mercy of God. What we reject is hiding under it to explain your lack of faith or power or knowledge that would help obtain results. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 6:05pm On Nov 03, 2014*. Modified: 6:42pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
vooks:Your constant references to puny brains and being a CEO just shows your true insecurities. You would wish everyone on here is as unintelligent as you. When you cannot defend your heresies CE or the most senior Pastor's name flies out of your small mind. You have gone from dangling the scriptures to the law and now to logic, 3 areas that should never be attached to your person and personality. You definitely take the cake for delusions of grandeur and importance. Me, vengeful and trying to catch you in error? What are you? Virtually all Your posts on this thread have been from one level of olodoism to another. You are doing a fine job exposing yourself. BTW, their sicknesses point to what? Maybe we should ask Demas why he abandoned Paul considering he had the same revelation and Holy Spirit with Paul. Or Maybe Paul should tell us why he still went to Jerusalem against the Holy Spirit's warning if the above conditions you listed meant that everyone in the early church functioned with a special revelation that gave them ministry gifts that caused them to heal sick people but remain sick in their own cases. You have nothing to say. You will debate clear scriptures to hold on to your ignorance and religious bondage. Yes, I am shackled. I am very proud of it. I have restricted my thinking to ONLY the word of God and nothing else. You should feel free to think out of the box. That's all it is- a feel. In reality, you're in shackles to think the way mere men think and of course, progress your thinking as they correct their own mistakes. Maybe then and just then you would understand what Jesus did with his blood in heaven, the role of shedding blood for the remission of sins, that Isaac sowed in a Famine and that Paul was bitten by a Viper but he felt no harm (as he was fulfilling scriptures). But how would you know? I wager you didn't even know it was a sign that the christian ought to be impervious to poison of any sort. Or maybe you did know but decided to think freely away from it. You are a sorry case. A hopeless one. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 6:07pm On Nov 03, 2014*. Modified: 7:15pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
paulGrundy: mbaemeka: mbaemeka: mbaemeka: vooks:When I first read the above, I was almost convinced you had goofed. I was going to read the scriptures again when Grundy provided it here. Indeed that scripture said the snake fastened itself around Paul's hands. It didn't say he was bitten by it. The islanders who were observing him, must have assumed like our WoF friends here that Paul was bitten. But the scripture did not record he was bitten. Now, he could have been bitten but that was not what scripture recorded; what was clearly written was that the snake fastened itself around the hands of Paul and not that it bit him. I think this has been the problem with these back and forth debates. Reading assumption and preconceived ideas into scriptures and not allowing the bible to speak for itself. I commend your doggedness in this debate, sir. Well done vooks. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 6:12pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
vooks:If I put you on the spot now I'd start hearing CE this and that. And that you feel good to call people more intelligent than the summation of your entire clan simpletons fully places the joke on you. If God only answers a prayer asked in accordance with his will then there really is no need praying since God will eventually do his own will. Now factor it into Peter and John healing the man at the beautiful gate. Why didn't they ask God if it was his will to heal the man? While you are at it, please show me just one place where God told us to ask him according to his will or else he would not do it. I will wait. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 6:48pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
I am with DrummaBoy on that post and here is a response to your post. nlMediator:It is OK if bible teachers divide the bible according to the dispensations that suites their understanding. Some give us two - old and new; some six; others three. But this is the first time I will be hearing of dispensations divided after the persons of the trinity: Father, Son and Spirit. This I believe is error. I will like us to see the bible from two dispensations: old and new, and in all of them the Trinity functioned fully. Jesus said he was sending the Spirit to be our HELPER and not to create another dispensation. Whatever else the church might have become, the gospel we are called to preach is the gospel of Jesus Christ and not of the Spirit. This new dispensation revolves totally around Jesus. It was God that was in Christ redeeming the world. And the Holy Spirit is still the Spirit of Christ. If the gospel we proclaim is the gospel of Christ and not of the Spirit, I again insist that the emphasis of scripture and any preaching on it must be on Jesus Christ and no one else. It is this gospel the power of the Spirit is available to support. And only in proclaiming Christ is God glorified. nlMediator:Again, our calling is not to "spiritual experience(s)"; our calling is to Jesus. To know him and to serve him. Whatever comes out of it, experience or not, is secondary. nlMediator:It is true that it will be wrong to anchor a doctrine on one book of the bible. Indeed the other parts of the bible teaches on the Spirit and the writer of that post did say the bible contain a rich theology on the Holy Spirit; John 14 has Jesus teaching on the Spirit; 1Cor 12-14; Romans 8; and many other references to him. But Colossians is unique. If you had referred to the Facebook page on that post, you will realize that it was part of a verse by verse teaching on Colossians, with the purpose of bringing Paul's emphasis out the in it. Paul had not visited Colossae before, just as he had not visited churches in the world today in the flesh. He had one chance to speak to them and us, and he mention the Spirit once. What else does this imply? It implies that God will have us emphasize what should be emphasized and deemphasized what should. The point is simple, if Paul will not emphasize the Spirit to us and we do, especially as we see with WoF, Benny Hinn, etc, then we are in error. I do not believe this point belittles the Holy Spirit at all. In fact in Colossians 1: 15-22, Paul lays out the strongest biblical doctrine in the bible on the deity of Christ, which proves the verity of the trinity further and affirms the Spirit as God. nlMediator:You would be omniscient to claim that you know those who have intimacy with the Spirit and those who lack it. It's best we remain with what is written or revealed and not go on tangent in your bid to scorn. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(op): 6:59pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
mbaemeka:Very on point. The above bold got me cracking! ![]() |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 7:05pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Gombs:I hope the fact that the person you are quoting goofed on the "Paul was bitten by a snake" matter also helped your humour? |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(op): 7:24pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
WinsomeX:Oh no, you didn't! Let's be clear first, are you saying Paul was not bitten? |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:33pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Good question, Election vs Responsibility. Is it God's will that everybody be saved? Start with Judas Escariot mbaemeka: |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(op): 7:33pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
WinsomeX:This is a confirmation then. I wonder when reading and comprehension became a herculean task for some of you. Let's read that Acts 28 in the Message translation Paul pitched in and helped. He had gathered up a bundle of sticks, but when he put it on the fire, a venomous snake, roused from its torpor by the heat, [size=20pt]struck his hand[/size] and held on Now, I know English is a bit difficult for some of you to understand, let's leave the above enlarged aside for a minute, V6 They kept expecting him to drop dead, but when it was obvious he wasn't going to, they jumped to the conclusion that he was a god! Are you saying folks there did not see Peter being bitten by the snake, yet, they expected him to drop dead? They actually kept expecting . But in your mammoth scriptural ineptitude, you said they assumed he was bitten, and kept expecting him to die. I actually prayed for God to turn your cousel yo folly. See how you all keep embarrassing yourselves. Snake and Eve, Paul and Galatia, now this? |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 7:34pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Gombs:Are you saying you have comprehension troubles? |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:35pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Thank you sir, To God be all the glory. Human traditions are powerful and can easily void God's command. Paul's call to examine ourselves applies not just to conduct but to doctrine. Christians just like Pharisees mistake the age of a tradition for inspiration. WinsomeX: |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 7:37pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
vooks:I should be asking you the question. If God only does his will then everyone should be saved. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 7:39pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Gombs:This is a good sign. It would have been a big problem if they understood the words but were resigned to be deceitful. Now this proves that they do not even understand the words to begin with. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(op): 7:42pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
WinsomeX:You have acute problems with reading and comprehnsion. 3 As Paul gathered an armful of sticks and was laying them on the fire, a poisonous snake, driven out by the heat, [size=20pt]bit him on the hand[/size] . Oya, run to your sewer, call your board members, go to your Wof thread and declare Wof wrote NLT and MSG translations. you should be ashamed for saying Paul was not bitten.... Shame on you and Vooks |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 7:43pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Gombs:There's really no shame bro. Unwise men say unwise things. It is expected. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(op): 7:44pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
mbaemeka:Gbam |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 7:48pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Gombs:Acts 28:3 KJV:And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. ESV:When Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks and put them on the fire, a viper came out because of the heat and fastened on his hand. NIV:Paul gathered a pile of brushwood and, as he put it on the fire, a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand. AMP:Now Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and he was laying them on the fire when a viper crawled out because of the heat and fastened itself on his hand. As for the message bible, it is criminal for you to continue to resort to it to justify false doctrine, knowing that bible is best a paraphrase in contemporary English and not strict translation of Greek texts. There is no serious bible student that uses the Message for any sound bible learning. Just own up that you guys goofed, like Candour did very graciously with the map issue and we can proceed to other matters. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(op): 7:48pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
mbaemeka:https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/oic.gif I guess you are right ![]() |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(op): 7:55pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
WinsomeX:https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/gcom.gif SMH ![]() |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:56pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Puny brains is a label I coined to explain your stupidity. How can you claim that a fetus' blood comes from the father and not the mother? I would gladly withdraw this statement if you admitted to insanity ![]() Catch me in error and we be even. That's so obvious. That's why I call you a kid which is an insult to all kids because they are more in charge of their emotions than you! Sicknesses point to the idiocy of your utopic Divine Health bliss not to mention INSTANT Healing fiction. Demas actions are clearly represented as WRONG but the sicknesses are presented as a matter-of-fact Your thinking is defined by Christ Embassy. One needs only 1 hour of Oyaks or studying any of his book to sniff you out. Somebody once called Dawkins Darwin's Rottweiler, you are Oyaks poodle ![]() Paul was NEVER warned against going to Jerusalem, Holy Spirit just revealed the the dangers. In case you missed the memo, Jesus Christ revealed to him of the many things he would suffer for His name. You need to study Acts 21 without Oyaks shades and sense will light up your dark soul. Here is Paul's resolve; Acts 21:13-14 (ESV) 13 Then Paul answered, “What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be imprisoned but even to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.” 14 And since he would not be persuaded, we ceased and said, “Let the will of the Lord be done.” Long and short of it is warnings was on looming danger ahead not against going. Paul NEVER defied Holy Spirit and am sorry if this is your best shot at poking holes on his character you have to try again. You are free to dig into Discarded epistles because nothing on NT supports your moronic conclusions. Am very careful not to assist Holy Spirit with His finished work of inspiration. Am not a member of the Godhead unlike you. So I reserve artistic license in my meditation of the Word 1. Isaac NEVER sowed in famine 2. Jesus NEVER ascended twice 3. Paul was NEVER bitten by a snake 4. There is NEVER remission of sins without shedding blood 5. You can NEVER curse what God has blessed you shameless witch mbaemeka: |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 8:01pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Who is the hyper Grace brother? |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:02pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Sure most miracles and LEAST verifiable. I don't get the Creator to work, I work for the Creator nlMediator: |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 8:08pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
WinsomeX:Hahahahahahahahahaha, comedian. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:10pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Some Neanderthal in your camp believes in INSTANT. Anything else is fickle faith Healing whether instant or not is a function of God's sovereignty and not merely down to FAITH. Paul had faith and his infirmity never left him. Epaphroditus was sick till he nearly died. Timothy's ailments took naturopathy. Trophimus. These are apostles' colleagues and himself and if they fell sick and stayed sick, then there is NOTHING like INSTANT healing or Divine Health BS Faith and sovereignty are not mutually exclusive. Sleep over that I just looked up Jesus miracles. Am still waiting for the first to feed 5000 with 5 bread and 2 fish. Before you can even claim to do greater than Christ, please match his miracles first ![]() nlMediator: |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 8:11pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
The phrase "and fastened on" which is used in the text to describe what happened to Paul by the snake on that Island is "kathapto" in Greek. It means: to fit or fasten to; bind on; to lay hold of; or to fasten on hostilely (Strong Concordance). There is nothing in that scripture that meant bite. Bite, which is "brucho" in Greek is not anywhere found in that text. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 8:17pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
vooks:Hahahahahaha besides Point 4 was not your claim. Your claim was there is nothing like shedding of blood in relation to remission of sins, to which I pointed you to Hebrews. I make bold to belabor my assertion that a child gets his blood from the father and not from the mother- explaining Jesus' divine blood. You even claimed Jesus blood was human but you retracted your claims when your friends steered clear from such cretinism. Now you have added Paul was never bitten by a snake and you think by screaming the never you would all of a sudden become right? hahaha. Please tell us what the word fastened as used there portrays? When you make a mess of it, I would be here to put you in your place like I did the other bucolic churl that spoke with the same whim as you. As per Paul and going to Jerusalem, you are a late comer. Some of your friends will tell you what they learnt on the lost WOF thread. I would have taken my time to show it to you in clear words again, and then pray in tongues for an hour hoping you would get a brain and a life, but you are not worth it. Let me see you wriggle your way from this recent goof. |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(op): 8:18pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Image123:https://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/not-mad-amazed.gif He is a great comedian... Drummaboy never ceases to amaze me |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(op): 8:21pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
WinsomeX:Stop making yourself even more sillier. get a study bible, read verse 5. It gave two references Mark 16:18, Luke 10:19 any reason(s)? not that i expect you to reason well now, but for viewers sake. If you think he was bitten, fine. Baba Candour, what sayeth thou? |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 8:21pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Image123:Multiple Personality Disorder. Anybody? I thought I said this before? Did y'all think I was mocking him? |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:22pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
So now FASTEN is BITING? [url]https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Acts%2028:3[/url] FASTENING ON. I thought snakes bite hands not bite ON hands, but with CE hooligans, they never admit wrong. And I forgot to mention you can't possibly beat them on hallucinations https://lifecoachontheradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/snake-in-hand-web-200x300.jpg mbaemeka: |
| Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 8:26pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Gombs:How does a viper "fit" and "lay hold of" of anything? By constricting it? (word to the NATGEO crew) ![]() This is supposed to be from someone who does not have comprehension issues. So the Maltans who saw the snake fasten itself on Paul were blind but Winx and Fooks who are omniscient saw it? |
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