Nihilist:

Northampton. It's 45 minutes by Virgin train in the morning, but the London Midlands back is around 15 minutes slower.

No dey run Coogar.

Pick a time that is not midnight and let's rumble!

by 6.30pm, i will be out with colleagues. it's a ritual every european night. i won't be back till midnight. i'm free from now till 6pm. closed early today cos i had a GP appointment.

Coogar and his dawgs are doing a hell lot of disservice to objectivity by blaming Moyes for United's current woes.

How many of Moyes' lads are holding down a first team shirt in this current Utd side? So why blame him for the players staying unfit?

Falcao is firing blanks, Shaw's affinity for doughnuts and cheese has seen him lose shape, Herrera hardly stays fit. These players hardly knew Moyes in person or even his training drills, do you still have to blame the Scot for their current woes?

The last time Chelsea spent up to £126.7 million on players, they won the league by a country mile. What's the excuse for a team that's worth over £150m?

Injuries?

Well, Raumdeuter asserted that injuries are part of the game, and he's phucking right. It's your duty as a manager to re-strategize when injury hits your camp.

LVG is not even an interim gaffer, he took control of this team before the Season kicked-off. He had all the time in the world to make shrewd acquisitions and to work on his team, but heck, he deemed it wise to make 'fancy' signings and to leave the dearth of talent in defence and central midfield unaddressed. So what's with this excuse you lot are building for him now?

If as a manager you can't manage the woes of your team, you're phucking incompetent.

AirborneLacer:
Coogar and his dawgs are doing a hell lot of disservice to objectivity by blaming Moyes for United's current woes.

moyes made united lose the fear factor.

How many of Moyes' lads are holding down a first team shirt in this current Utd side? So why blame him for the players staying unfit?

rooney, RVP, valencia, jones, evans, smalling, rafael, etc.

Falcao is firing blanks, Shaw's affinity for doughnuts and cheese has seen him lose shape, Herrera hardly stays fit. These players hardly knew Moyes in person or even his training drills, do you still have to blame the Scot for their current woes?

the last game falcao started, he scored. shaw has been very good. herrera was fit to play in the last 2 games, i think. blind, di maria, rojo, have all been fit throughout the season - they have hardly missed a match. moyes boys still dominate the injury list.

The last time Chelsea spent up to £126.7 million on players, they won the league by a country mile. What's the excuse for a team that's worth over £150m. Injuries?

and what year was that? when your most expensive player was just £30m? the price of a 19-year old luke shaw? why do so many chelsea fans have their heads buried in a camel's arsë? you want to compare 10 years ago to what we have today?

Well, Raumdeuter asserted that injuries are part of the game, and he's phucking right. It's your duty as a manager to re-strategize when injury hits your camp.

re-strategize? how?
by asking FIFA to open the transfer window for united exclusively so we can replace crocked players? or wait for it, play strictly academy players and expect them to win the league at a canter?

LVG is not even an interim gaffer, he took control of this team before the Season kicked-off. He had all the time in the world to make shrewd acquisitions and to work on his team, but heck, he deemed it wise to make 'fancy' signings and to leave the dearth of talent in defence and central midfield unaddressed. So what's with this excuse you lot are building for him now?

you are talking nonsense as usual....
LVG had the least time to prepare of all the managers in the league. we had played 3 league games before he decided some players had to go - he learnt while on the job.

jose mourinho never took a team to the world cup, neither did pellegrini. jose had all his players during the preseason. van gaal bought falcao at the last few minutes of the transfer window. there's a big difference in that small detail....

if mourinho who is repeating a class is being heralded as a top manager, then why criticise van gaal? jose won nothing last season, why? cos he was also getting to know his team. making adjustments here & there.....plotting who to buy & who not to buy. why didn't you sack jose last season then?

If as a manager you can't manage the woes of your team, you're phucking incompetent.

we see how chelsea have managed theirs in the last 8 seasons. 1 league title in 8 seasons actually show you have managed your woes terribly. useless team, useless management. in those 8 seasons, about 11 managers were used and yet the problem still persists.

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SHow us the injury league when Moyes took over.

Was it Moyes who made Rojo, Herrera Shaw injured?

WHo are these players that werent getting injured before that started getting injured under Moyes, List out the names

raumdeuter:

SHow us the injury league when Moyes took over.Was it Moyes who made Rojo, Herrera Shaw injured?

rojo only just got injured....he's played every game since he arrived. blind has played every game since he arrived. shaw had fitness issues from southampton - van gaal met him as an unfit player.

WHo are these players that werent getting injured before that started getting injured under Moyes, List out the names

•RVP
•smalling
•fellaini
•jones
•evans
•valencia
and the list goes on & on and on......

my thoughts on this team, is that van Gaal should concentrate on the 4-4-2 diamond & perfect it. we have observed the watered effect of di Maria out wide, especially on the right flank, as opposed to when he has operated as an inside deep attacker. this formation will also incorporate the likes of Valencia, Mata, Carrick & Fletcher better in cases of emergency. Januzaj doesn't have a strong position here, but he can hone his skills behind the two forwards in the convenient games, or try to work on his work rate on the sides in center midfield. same applies to Lingard and Pereira.

the 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 he has used lately leaves Daley Blind with a lot of work, and the instabilities just behind Blind doesn't make it an ideal pattern to dwell on. Fellaini is thrusts forward almost same level with the attacking midfielder and the whole set up becomes unbalanced. if we had the luxury of the prime Rio & Vidic partnership, then all well & good, but we don't have that anymore.

I think one more midfield enforcer should be paramount when the window reopens, alongside a world class CB (not Shawcross or any Brit for that matter).

I see a McNair - Blackett partnership this weekend, inexperienced but not without substance.

my ideal line-up with all players fit will be

- - - - -'- - - - - - de Gea - - - - - - - - - -

Rafael - - Jones - Rojo - - Shaw

- - - - - - - - - - - Blind - - - - - - - - - - -

- - Herrera - - - - - - - - - di Maria - -

- - - - - - - - - - Fellaini - - - - - - - - - - -

- - - Falcao - - - - - - - - Rooney - - -

everyone where he's most effective without sentiments.

Nihilist:


And you're asking what I'm on about?

Did you pass jamb at all?

Sorry! I actually started reading from where you started acting silly

coogar:


rojo only just got injured....he's played every game since he arrived. blind has played every game since he arrived. shaw had fitness issues from southampton - van gaal met him as an unfit player.



•RVP
•smalling
•fellaini
•jones
•evans
•valencia
and the list goes on & on and on......

Below is Smalling injury history. He copped over a 100day injury before Moyes signed for United. Isnt it obvious that Moyes isnt the cause of Smallings injury

dopeJemi:


[s]Sorry! I actually started reading from where you started acting silly[/s]

If you're not contributing to the debate, you need to go and study for Jamb.
You will pass next year in Jesus name!

SailorXY:
my thoughts on this team, is that van Gaal should concentrate on the 4-4-2 diamond & perfect it. we have observed the watered effect of di Maria out wide, especially on the right flank, as opposed to when he has operated as an inside deep attacker. this formation will also incorporate the likes of Valencia, Mata, Carrick & Fletcher better in cases of emergency. Januzaj doesn't have a strong position here, but he can hone his skills behind the two forwards in the convenient games, or try to work on his work rate on the sides in center midfield. same applies to Lingard and Pereira.

the 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 he has used lately leaves Daley Blind with a lot of work, and the instabilities just behind Blind doesn't make it an ideal pattern to dwell on. Fellaini is thrusts forward almost same level with the attacking midfielder and the whole set up becomes unbalanced. if we had the luxury of the prime Rio & Vidic partnership, then all well & good, but we don't have that anymore.

I think one more midfield enforcer should be paramount when the window reopens, alongside a world class CB (not Shawcross or any Brit for that matter).

I see a McNair - Blackett partnership this weekend, inexperienced but not without substance.

my ideal line-up with all players fit will be

- - - - -'- - - - - - de Gea - - - - - - - - - -

Rafael - - Jones - Rojo - - Shaw

- - - - - - - - - - - Blind - - - - - - - - - - -

- - Herrera - - - - - - - - -di Maria - -

- - - - - - - - - - Fellaini - - - - - - - - - - -

- - - Falcao - - - - - - - - Rooney - - -

everyone where he's most effective without sentiments.

that's an excellent post....
rooney is the big problem here. shoehorning rooney into the team is the big issue. van gaal wants him to be in the hole & that means fellaini can't play behind the strikers.

rooney isn't good enough as a striker - he just has to shoot after going past 4 markers or sell the foul to zabaleta and get him sent off and win a penalty. it was the obvious choice in that situation. di maria is not effective in the wide position & januzaj needs a long loan(he needs to get out of the limelight).

Eden Hazard has completed more take
ons this season (54) than Ronaldo,
Neymar, Bale, Sanchez and Robben put
together. (51) #CFC

Nihilist:


If you're not contributing to the debate, you need to go and study for Jamb.
You will pass next year in Jesus name!

debate?? Really?

raumdeuter:


Below is Smalling injury history. He copped over a 100day injury before Moyes signed for United. Isnt it obvious that Moyes isnt the cause of Smallings injury

that's a one-off injury or are you this daft? metatarsal injury is not a recurring injury like hamstring or perpetual muscle or groin strain known to many players.

smalling had a perfect clean bill of health until moyes brought his bad luck to OT. i posted all the injuries reported since van gaal arrived in the summer. look at it again & see the recurring injuries of the players in a short period of time.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1835812_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

incredibleone:
Eden Hazard has completed more take
ons this season (54) than Ronaldo,
Neymar, Bale, Sanchez and Robben put
together. (51) #CFC

The difference is that most of them if not all have more goals

The only thing Di maria has over Hazard z his crossing nd defensive abilities.....he' disappears' in big games,nt an 'ANGEL' for nothing

dopeJemi:


The difference is that most of them if not all have more goals

ramsey had more goals than kroos nd modric combined last season,its nt all abt goals bro

incredibleone:
Eden Hazard has completed more take
ons this season (54) than Ronaldo,
Neymar, Bale, Sanchez and Robben put
together. (51) #CFC

of course, he will win a ballon d'or for completing the most dribbles in europe. no one remembers he's had the highest minutes under his belt, completing all the 900 minutes available to him.....yet his peers with fewer minutes are expected to out-dribble him according to the mostly daft chelsea fans.

incredibleone:
ramsey had more goals than kroos nd modric combined last season,its nt all abt goals bro

Its abt what then, take ons?

coogar:


of course, he will win a ballon d'or for completing the most dribbles in europe. no one remembers he's had the highest minutes under his belt, completing all the 900 minutes available to him.....yet his peers with fewer minutes are expected to out-dribble him according to the mostly daft chelsea fans.

pls what his this one saying Ok then,ronaldo has more mins that costa, Costa has been better this season then..........daft logic,last season he was d highest,what will u say abt that then? He plays in a weak league Abeg,ronaldo nd neymar for sure have more mins,so pls stop hating.................can u do without d insults pls?

dopeJemi:


Its abt what then, take ons?

its part of it.....diff players diff qualities and hence diff works on d field.......hazard's is to disrupt defence,so judge him with that......u wanna judge costa? Use goals

incredibleone:
pls what his this one saying Ok then,ronaldo has more mins that costa, Costa has been better this season then..........daft logic,last season he was d highest,what will u say abt that then? He plays in a weak league Abeg,ronaldo nd neymar for sure have more mins,so pls stop hating.................can u do without d insults pls?

how is costa better than ronaldo? are you an idiòt? you came here to post hazard's stats on a united thread & you don't think you deserve to be insulted?

coogar:


how is costa better than ronaldo? are you an idiòt? you came here to post hazard's stats on a united thread & you don't think you deserve to be insulted?

oH!!! Now I get d prb!! Y should u be affected with hazard stats when u av a 'better' di maria.....di maria stats dnt affect we cfc fans u know,well mayb if he has an outstanding stat we would,but unfortunately he doesn't

incredibleone:
its part of it.....diff players diff qualities and hence diff works on d field.......hazard's is to disrupt defence,so judge him with that......u wanna judge costa? Use goals

Well, if you say so, buh I know of players who disrupt the defence and still score loads of goals, from the left and right

incredibleone:
oH!!! Now I get d prb!! Y should u be affected with hazard stats when u av a 'better' di maria.....di maria stats dnt affect we cfc fans u know,well mayb if he has an outstanding stat we would,but unfortunately he doesn't

take your pitiful stats to your thread & celebrate hazard's take-on stats that is giving you a hard-on.

this place is for united issues strictly - only united fans are allowed to discuss other issues here, not rent boys like yourself.

coogar:


take your pitiful stats to your thread & celebrate hazard's take-on stats that is giving you a hard-on.

this place is for united issues strictly - only united fans are allowed to discuss other issues here, not rent boys like yourself.

hahahahahahahahahaha ,m xoo sorry sir,u sound pitiful...sorry,best of luck with flop maria and radamel torres

dopeJemi:


Well, if you say so, buh I know of players who disrupt the defence and still score loads of goals, from the left and right

m sure none of them z below 24yrs

incredibleone:
The only thing Di maria has over Hazard z his crossing nd defensive abilities.....he' disappears' in big games,nt an 'ANGEL' for nothing

Na joke be dis ?
Go watch the UCL final again.

incredibleone:
hahahahahahahahahaha ,m xoo sorry sir,u sound pitiful...sorry,best of luck with flop maria and radamel torres

i can see you just escaped from a psychiatric ward. hazard that only scores from awoof penalties is being compared to di maria?

the person that compared chelsea fans to okada riders was spot on. only few of you people have common sense.

incredibleone:
m sure none of them z below 24yrs

Lmao!

Bale was below
Neymar
James at the world cup

coogar:
moyes made united lose the fear factor.

A shrewd gaffer has a way of turning things around. Jose did that at Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid. Pep did that at Barcelona.

Guus Hiddink and RDM at Chelsea.

If Gaal can't restore that fear factor, he's simple putting the I in Incompetence.

coogar: rooney, RVP, valencia, jones, evans, smalling, rafael, etc.

Rooney has been fit all season. RVP was banging in goals at the WC, it's simply inane to blame Moyes for his current loss of form. Most of the names you put up there hardly cuts it for Gaal.

So save this phucking story for the gods.

coogar: the last game falcao started, he scored. shaw has been very good. herrera was fit to play in the last 2 games, i think. blind, di maria, rojo, have all been fit throughout the season - they have hardly missed a match. moyes boys still dominate the injury list.

Falcao is topping the pundits' flops of the season chart. He's been uber-shiit.

Shaw has been good? Same over-priced unproven usual suspect?

I really don't wanna laugh out loud this evening

coogar: and what year was that? when your most expensive player was just £30m? the price of a 19-year old luke shaw? why do so many chelsea fans have their heads buried in a camel's arsë? you want to compare 10 years ago to what we have today?

Albeit you're right with the assertion that the transfer market of 2004 isn't thisame with that of 2014, you'd still have to agree with me that spending £150m in a single transfer window is crazy and have to be backed with decent results.

Keoman's Southampton didn't need up to £150m to build a team that would mount a serious title challenge.

Hombre make a logical case for your demi-god and stop blaming Moyes.

coogar: re-strategize? how?
by asking FIFA to open the transfer window for united exclusively so we can replace crocked players? or wait for it, play strictly academy players and expect them to win the league at a canter?

No! By lifting your plan B.

You don't have to plea for a battle to be called off for you to re-fill your armour in a battlefield. You prepare ahead of time.

Gaal had all the time to evalutae his team, to draw up a plan B and possibly a C.

coogar: you are talking nonsense as usual....
LVG had the least time to prepare of all the managers in the league. we had played 3 league games before he decided some players had to go - he learnt while on the job.

jose mourinho never took a team to the world cup, neither did pellegrini. jose had all his players during the preseason. van gaal bought falcao at the last few minutes of the transfer window. there's a big difference in that small detail....

if mourinho who is repeating a class is being heralded as a top manager, then why criticise van gaal? jose won nothing last season, why? cos he was also getting to know his team. making adjustments here & there.....plotting who to buy & who not to buy. why didn't you sack jose last season then?

When some sensible Chelsea fans were questioning Gaal's weak chain of thought when the transfers were on, you and some other deluded ninnies were of the opinion that Gaal's acquisitions were spot on and that you lot have got a team that'd romp over everyone.

Don't phucking push me into lifting posts.

Peeps like Ibime, Nateevs, Nihilist and myself were of the opinion that making marquee signings without filling the holes in defence and midfield doesn't make sense. How is it panning out now?

If Gaal never had the time to make the best signings, where did he phucking get the time to make the wrong signings like Falcao's?

coogar: were we see how chelsea have managed theirs in the last 8 seasons. 1 league title in 8 seasons actually show you have managed your woes terribly. useless team, useless management. in those 8 seasons, about 11 managers were used and yet the problem still persists.

And how does this eliminate the fact that LVG is incompetent for not managing well his team that is laden with injuries?

dopeJemi:


Lmao!

Bale was below
Neymar
James at the world cup

fellaini played better than hazard at the world cup. hazard is largely overrated. he's just a tiny upgrade over stewart downing.

coogar:


fellaini played better than hazard at the world cup. hazard is largely overrated. he's just a tiny upgrade over stewart downing.

Downing ke, puncheon