United's Under-21s lost their unbeaten record to Leicester despite a goal from James Wilson in a 3-2 defeat. Former Red Jack Barmby fired an injury-time winner

Na wah o...for now we will have to use Carrick/McCnair and Blackett as CB....chaii

Rojo out for 3weeks

chrisley024:
Yeah, as a make shift RB? He did ok. But below average if he was a RB.

His positioning is very poor. He either moves too forward or tucks in like he's a CB. He went too forward and left a huge space behind when that empty skull-Smalling got himself sent off. Not even as if it was a counter attack against us while in the goal, he tucked in and thereby couldn't even be at the edge to try and block the cross.

Since we can't depend on Rafael due to injury, the earlier we find a backup RB the better.

Even our regular full backs do leave a whole lot of space for CBs to cover for them. Is it the first time you have seen Smalling and Jones cover several times for full backs in a match?

When we conceded 5 goals against Leicester, you did not talk like this. Other small teams have been running easily at DDG. City with all the Milner, Toure, Aguero and Navas were always going to trouble us.

elampiro:


Even our regular full backs do leave a whole lot of space for CBs to cover for them. Is it the first time you have seen Smalling and Jones cover several times for full backs in a match?

When we conceded 5 goals against Leicester, you did not talk like this. Other small teams have been running easily at DDG. City with all the Milner, Toure, Aguero and Navas were always going to trouble us.

The difference is that the team was counter attacked unlike Valencia's.

I don't blame him though, he was decent as an attacker playing a RB position. You hardly see any attacker that could perform as he did. But better we find a back-up for Rafael.

PietroRico:
offer no go come first?
Or does he have the right to walk into management in any club of his choice?

Have you played football manager before? If you have, you'll know coaches don't always wait on offers but submit applications at different clubs where the position has become vacant or will become soon.

chrisley024:
The difference is that the team was counter attacked unlike Valencia's.

I don't blame him though, he was decent as an attacker playing a RB position. You hardly see any attacker that could perform as he did. But better we find a back-up for Rafael.

You don't think Jones and Smalling can play there too?

Any way Danny Alves rumour......


* Wish I cud watch the match a second time, let me pay particular attention to Val's movement.

elampiro:


1. Chicharito had only 945 minutes of football out of a possible 3,420 which is only 10 matches.

2. Nani had total football of just 629 minutes.

3. Carrick was not tested. Moreso he was eetained as a back up defender/midfielder.

4. Kagawa had 1341 minutes. About 15 games.


As I said, these players, together with the likes of Buttner and Powell were not the main players of 2012/2013.

5. You have just expressed your patience with Gaal by asking me 'how long he has been at Man United'. Do you know you were one of the first to attack Moyes on this thread last season? And that came as early as September of October.

6. On Mourinho: I am just telling you that having a winning mentality alone doesn't help a team to win. You need to upgrade team by replacing the tired legs.

can't reply you comprehensively. im on the move.
I'll just say that:
comparing a 3 month long reign to a nearly 30 year one and asking the former to provide a winning mentality does not apply here.
Dude is new. He has to get a semblance of a working unit. For some reason he has used up over 40 different players in just 10 league games due to an array of circumstances.
Fergie never had to do major overhauling overvthe years in terms of upgrading. in terms of personnel City and Chelsea had the players in terms of personnel to win the league in his last season in charge.
When Jose won the CL in 04 tell us how many superstars he had in his squad at that point.
its not always the side with the biggest number of stars that wins titles. Usually it's the ones who are hungrier and more motivated. correct me if im wrong.
I tell you age has absolutely nothing to do with how well a side performs. Its how well you harness the talent at your disposal that counts and in that regard , Moyes failed woefully.

SIRcumalot:

2010/2011 went unbeaten at home that isn't a weak team

the draw specialist side?

StarBoard:

Where im wan see offer?
Maybe Niger Tornadoes fit give am work if im tender im CV.

Dadehmola:


No, they are not..



And how exactly have we noticed changes in this regard?? Are you telling me Rooney deserved to have stayed on the pitch for 90mins in all the games he has featured in this season?



LVG has said that Rooney will always enjoy certain privileges as the captain ( privileges RVP didn't enjoy as captain of the dutch side).What was the smoking gun to that effect? Rooney who is a shyty CF (LVG's words) was shifted back into the same hole in which we all agree will never be his best position. When he fûcks up there again, he prolly will be drafted to LB or CB...afterall his captain must always play, which means that there must always be a starting role for Rooney, irrespective of his unsuitability to whatever role it is..

As regards the captaincy issue, I'd rather he made Rvp captain... Atleast he was "substitutable" at the worldcup. Forget that preseason hogwash - if both Rooney and RvP had to go on extended breaks, what would have happened?

has rooney underperformed this season?

Rvp was never a more qualified candidate for that captaincy

StarBoard:

can't reply you comprehensively. im on the move.
I'll just say that:
comparing a 3 month long reign to a nearly 30 year one and asking the former to provide a winning mentality does not apply here.
Dude is new. He has to get a semblance of a working unit. For some reason he has used up over 40 different players in just 10 league games due to an array of circumstances.
Fergie never had to do major overhauling overvthe years in terms of upgrading. in terms of personnel City and Chelsea had the players in terms of personnel to win the league in his last season in charge.
When Jose won the CL in 04 tell us how many superstars he had in his squad at that point.
its not always the side with the biggest number of stars that wins titles. Usually it's the ones who are hungrier and more motivated. correct me if im wrong.
I tell you age has absolutely nothing to do with how well a side performs. Its how well you harness the talent at your disposal that counts and in that regard , Moyes failed woefully.

You brought up new angles to this discussion in your writing above. Should we expand this it will affect your work (you are on the move). So let's just leave it.

* One area I need you to elaborate on your return. Agreed Moyes failed with Ferguson's squad. But the squad was intact when Gaal took over. So what rebuilding are you talking about now in your defence of Gaal?

Odunharry:
Rojo out for 3weeks

3 weeks or 3 months?

i don't even know where to start. smalling's stüpidity cost us the game. until that moment, we bossed city on their turf. we had more possession & blind was on top of their midfield. yaya toure was anonymous & we were breaking at will.

it's difficult to judge LVG.....
the football has improved without a doubt but he has been very unlucky with the injuries. no manager would get victories with the rotten luck he has had. i think we should just get rid of the sick notes & that includes jones, evans & smalling. they are too unreliable to haul us back to the promised land.

the big teams always seem to have the same back four in nearly all the big games. with united, it's always the reverse. where was rafael? why weren't jones & evans fit. by the end of the game, we had 2 rookies(paddy & shaw), a midfielder & a winger in our back four. that's simply not good enough for a club of our size. sack all the defenders & buy fit ones next summer.


even pep guardiola would be in relegation with this horrible curse of injury....


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StarBoard:

the draw specialist side?

The UCL finalist side.
They still picked more away points than anybody except chelsea. And dropped only two points in all home games.
2012/2013 was definitely weaker,

Nihilist:


Like elampiro said, basic truth is that the media led a smear campaign against the man, and fans being fickle jumped on the bandwagon.

Fans are always going to be fickle, everyone knows that. Alan Pardew had a website dedicated to his removal, Arsenal fans have been chanting Wenger Out for years. I mean Even I was calling Mourinho a European reject this time last year and wasn't fully convinced until January this year.

Ultimately this where the board should have remained strong and backed their man....instead you have a situation where Ferguson of all people came out to publicly extricate his name from Moyes's appointment.

There are no two ways about it...Moyes was harshly done by.

Van Gaal has been infinitely worse than Moyes so far despite spending the greater part of 200 million pounds in transfers.

how do you consistently spit this crap and not have your conscience prïck you? in what circumstance did moyes lose those games? in what circumstance is LVG losing this? united won the title by 11 points prior moyes arrival & he plunged the team to a 7th position.

you keep hammering about LVG being 4 points worse off but that's an amateur view of it. how many points away are we from the 4th position this season & how many points away from the 4th position was moyes at this stage last season? moyes is a bastärd - the football was painful to watch.....we had no bearing for the entire season.

LVG is infinitely better from what i have seen so far. it's not his fault that smalling lost his head or our defenders have refused to be fit all season. how would mourinho have done if all his first choice defenders are crocked and playing away to the champions of england with 10 men for 60 mins?

with moyes, we lost 4-1 there last season with 11 men, first choice defenders & rooney in his preferred position. you can tweak the stats all you want but only a blind bartimeaus would not give LVG credits for the job he has done so far. we are 3-4 defenders away from becoming a world class club again & that's satisfying as far as i am concerned.

coogar:


how do you consistently spit this crap and not have your conscience prïck you? in what circumstance did moyes lose those games? in what circumstance is LVG losing this? united won the title by 11 points prior moyes arrival & he plunged the team to a 7th position.

you keep hammering about LVG being 4 points worse off but that's an amateur view of it. how many points away are we from the 4th position this season & how many points away from the 4th position was moyes at this stage last season? moyes is a bastärd - the football was painful to watch.....we had no bearing for the entire season.

LVG is infinitely better from what i have seen so far. it's not his fault that smalling lost his head or our defenders have refused to be fit all season. how would mourinho have done if all his first choice defenders are crocked and playing away to the champions of england with 10 men for 60 mins?

with moyes, we lost 4-1 there last season with 11 men, first choice defenders & rooney in his preferred position. you can tweak the stats all you want but only a blind bartimeaus would not give LVG credits for the job he has done so far. we are 3-4 defenders away from becoming a world class club again & that's satisfying as far as i am concerned.

And Ferguson lost 6-1 to City....at Old Trafford.

So what is this job Van Gaal has done so far?

You've spent 150million pounds and only have 16 league goals to show for it...Arsenal, City,Chelsea, Southampton, West Ham, and Everton have scored more.

You've spent 150million yet you've conceded 14 goals already....and are yet to win on the road

You've spent 150 million but you're 4 points worse off than you were last season...

You've spent 150 million, but cant keep a cleansheet in 6 consecutive league games...

And all of these with the majority of the team that won the league with 11 points in 2011 as you were always keen to point during the Moyes era

I better go change my name to Bartimeus by deed poll

Nihilist:

And Ferguson lost 6-1 to City....at Old Trafford. So what is this job Van Gaal has done so far?

evans got a red card in that game as well...moyes lost 4-1 with 11 players on the pitch. vidic, rio, rooney, etc all played. so the problem wasn't a shortage of personnel, but the lack of tactical nous.

You've spent 150million pounds and only have 16 league goals to show for it...Arsenal, City,Chelsea, Southampton, West Ham, and Everton have scored more.

only an amateur speaks this way....
over 15 players left man utd on either loans, retirement or outright sales. even common sense should tell you those players had to be replaced.

You've spent 150million yet you've conceded 14 goals....and are yet to win on the road

irrelevant to the discourse....

You've spent 150 million but you're 4 points worse off than you were last season...

You've spent 150 million, but cant keep a cleansheet in 6 consecutive league games...

irrelevant to the discourse.....

I better go change my name to Bartimeus by deed poll

you really need to go change your name - you saw the injury list yourself - i posed you a question which you stylishly avoided cos you don't have a prayer.

in the same circumstance, how would jose have fared if he had hazard playing as a right back, cahill & mikel as centre backs & azpiculeta on the left - and playing 10 men against city at the etihad?

there's a reason the media can't go after van gaal - they know he has improved united massively - recovering us from the pits moyes plunged us to. as at the time moyes came to united, we were the champions. after 10 games, we were 8th on the table. van gaal met us in the 7th position.....if we are 9th now as a result of injuries & bizarre circumstance, then he's not done badly.

7th to 9th is better than 1st to 7th.

elampiro:


You brought up new angles to this discussion in your writing above. Should we expand this it will affect your work (you are on the move). So let's just leave it.

* One area I need you to elaborate on your return. Agreed Moyes failed with Ferguson's squad. But the squad was intact when Gaal took over. So what rebuilding are you talking about now in your defence of Gaal?

no the squad wasnt the same.
Van Gaal bought Blind, Rojo, Di Maria, brought in Falcao on loan.
Nani Kagawa Welbeck were sold/ loaned out, along with others whose contracts were not renewed.Evra left.
He shook up the squad big time.
up till the last minute of tge window in sugust we were still making changes to the squad.
Fergie never undertook such a massive overhaul of the team as we knew it like we did this summer. Agree or not?
ps feel free to expand the argument. I will reply when im stable. typing on the go is not convenient.

coogar youve been sighted.
appear with immediate effect or amadioha will settle this matter

If you spend 150 million on players and cant keep a clean sheet, win away from home, or even outscore West Ham....How is it Irrelevant to Discourse?

If you spend 150 million and cant pick up points, how is it irrelvant to discourse?


Now you say, Van Gaal is unlucky with Injuries....Yet when in the Moyes Era, you were saying this:

coogar:



age & injury are no excuses if moyes had simply used fergie's blueprint. fergie was rotating rio, fergie gave RVP a special training regime that made him complete 38 league games last season. injury to players is a direct outcome of the pre-historic training regime of david moyes!

Nigga go and sleep!

StarBoard:
coogar youve been sighted.
appear with immediate effect or amadioha will settle this matter

i already appeared....
we played well on sunday - i couldn't fault the performance. we lost to individual error. rojo had the measure of aguero & then he got crocked as well. with a bit more common sense from rooney & a bit more composure from marouane, we woulda gotten a draw with 10 men.

i cannot complain....

Nihilist:
If you spend 150 million on players and cant keep a clean sheet, win away from home, or even outscore West Ham....How is it Irrelevant to Discourse?

because only amateurs discuss money that was spent and not the one that was gotten through player sales. only amateurs focus on players that came in, not the ones that left.....

evra, rio, vidic, nani, chicharito, kagawa, giggs, zaha, welbeck, cleverley, büttner, etc all left the club. what's supposed to replace these bodies? grain of rice? how much do you think a club should spend to replace 11 players that include 6 world class players?

If you spend 150 million and cant pick up points, how is it irrelvant to discourse?
Now you say, Van Gaal is unlucky with Injuries....Yet when in the Moyes Era, you were saying this:
Nigga go and sleep!

that's the long term effect of having a useless mediocre long term manager like moyes for 9 months. look at the injury list i posted earlier & see yourself that the injuries have been mostly recurring from the same set of players.

RVP was perfect for 2.5 seasons before moyes arrived. since then, he's been in & out. you can say the same for jones, smalling & evans as well. moyes ruined the squad & you cannot expect a new manager to fix a destruction of 9 months in 3 months. it's much easier to destroy than to rebuild.

you are indeed a blind bartimeaus if you cannot see this.

StarBoard:

no the squad wasnt the same.
Van Gaal bought Blind, Rojo, Di Maria, brought in Falcao on loan.
Nani Kagawa Welbeck were sold/ loaned out, along with others whose contracts were not renewed.Evra left.
He shook up the squad big time.
up till the last minute of tge window in sugust we were still making changes to the squad.
Fergie never undertook such a massive overhaul of the team as we knew it like we did this summer. Agree or not?
ps feel free to expand the argument. I will reply when im stable. typing on the go is not convenient.

You have agreed now that Gaal inherited a weak team.

Captain Me-too's own is even more Hilarious, Speaking on Moyes he said:

StarBoard:


His decisionmaking has been suspect ever since day one. That is why I am not backing him to deliver or giving him the benefit of doubt when he fails to beat big sides.

Because he will never come good if he can not identify and effectively pursue a decent transfer target without paying over the odds or if he continues saying the rubbish he is spewing.

He started his failures by axingthe backroom staff in favour of his parapo.
Phil Neville without a coaching badge or any kind of coaching experience is an assistant at Manchester United.
Things you wouldnt even hear about at Okomu Oil, let alone read about at.
There are so many reasons why the dude is no fit to carry training balls at carrington, let alone be in charge of United.
Selection/tactics=0

Now you crucify your own players in the media. But you had 2months to strengthen the side. Instead you purchased an iroko tree for nearly 4 yes its value.
Idiot.ot

Man utd has gotten a solitary point out of 6 against 2 of the big boys thus far. Need I mention the losses to Swansea and MK Dons, and the draw at Burnley?

The one about transfer targets is even more hilarious...especially seeing manyoo bounce from pillar to post in the trasnfer market this summer

Does ryan Giggs have a coaching Badge or qualification?

And didnt Van Gaal just publically call Smalling s tupid?

Ahhh...The hypocrisy

PietroRico:
has rooney underperformed this season?

There are games in which he shoulda been yanked off as early as the 60th min but LVG decided to keep him on for the full 90.... Oh I forgot - the captain will enjoy special privileges. Moyes was castigated for crimes lesser than this but Ofcourse, LVG's "reputation" will always be key..

PietroRico:

Rvp was never a more qualified candidate for that captaincy

So it's Rooney that is more qualified abi?? A player that twisted us by the balls twice.

I'd rather have Smalling as captain!!

Nihilist:

Captain Me-too's own is even more Hilarious, Speaking on Moyes he said:




Man utd has gotten a solitary point out of 6 against 2 of the big boys thus far. Need I mention the losses to Swansea and MK Dons, and the draw at Burnley?

The one about transfer targets is even more hilarious...especially seeing manyoo bounce from pillar to post in the trasnfer market this summer

Does ryan Giggs have a coaching Badge or qualification?

And didnt Van Gaal just publically call Smalling s tupid?

Ahhh...The hypocrisy

captain numpty has been had and is looking for a cop-out.
other than being a clown by default, your point so far has been . . .?

Rojo's dad said God showed kindness on his family because his son will only miss two or three matches.

StarBoard:

captain numpty has been had and is looking for a cop-out.
other than being a clown by default, your point so far has been . . .?

he's just talking bollocks.....
the moment anyone mentions how much united have spent this season, just walk away from such a debate & never go back.

StarBoard:

captain numpty has been had and is looking for a cop-out.
other than being a clown by default, your point so far has been . . .?

My point is that in addition to being a brain-dead follow follow, you are also a hypocrite.

That post I quoted was of you brainlessly agreeing with an earlier post of Coogar's as usual

Anyway, now that Van Gaal is guilty of every 'crime' you highlighted there, do you think heis good enough to carry the training balls at Carrington?

Nihilist:


My point is that in addition to being a brain-dead follow follow, you are also a hypocrite.

That post I quoted was of you brainlessly agreeing with an earlier post of Coogar's as usual

Anyway, now that Van Gaal is guilty of every 'crime' you highlighted there, do you think heis good enough to carry the training balls at Carrington?

Do you think he is good enough?

evra, rio, vidic, nani, chicharito, kagawa, giggs, zaha, welbeck, cleverley, büttner, etc all left the club. what's supposed to replace these bodies? grain of rice? how much do you think a club should spend to replace 11 players that include 6 world class players?

Please point out the world class players in that list. While you're at it, point out the players in your list that were essential players last year.

The same Rio and Vidic that you always about last year?

coogar:


he's just talking bollocks.....
the moment anyone mentions how much united have spent this season, just walk away from such a debate & never go back.

dopeJemi:


Do you think he is good enough?

Ask Starboard. Afterall, it's his criteria we're using