mbaemeka:
John 16:14-15 KJV

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

I thought I said it earlier? That Christ or The Father only takes form in us by the presence of the Holy Spirit. Jesus doesn't walk up and down. The bible says he is SEATED in Heaven at the place of power while the invisible Father now lives in Jesus. So whenever Jesus wants to make his presence known to anyone, the Holy Spirit is the one who shows up and we know that for 2 reasons:

1. The name of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ (John 14:26)
2. The Holy Spirit is Allos Parakletos.

mbaemeka:

I believe that is your quote on the 2nd page of your thread. Now feel free to explain to us the line of your reasoning.

WinsomeX:


From basic mysticism, do you hear voices from spirits?

Do you speak in tongues?

What does mysticism say of the after life?

Where do you disagree with basic Christian doctrines?

mbaemeka:

1. FROM BASIC MYSTICISM, do you speak in tongues?

This can be rearranged to mean that speaking in tongues comes from basic mysticism. QED

mbaemeka:
You called the gift of tongues a mystic practice. That says it all.

WinsomeX:


1. Speaking with tongues.
2. Hearing voices.
3. Fasting.

1. Tongues: My study of scriptures reveal that tongues is a valid gift of the Spirit. But I must of certainty agree with many who question the modern day practices of speaking with tongues, in the basis that much of those tongues cannot be interpreted and of necessity are gibberish. I believe that a valid gift of tongue which can still operate today, will come with interpretation or be a means to evangelize hitherto unreached nations for Jesus. I fear that much of tongue praying today is speaking gibberish into the air and Satan's wise way of denying the Christian an opportunity for rich communion with God. I sincerely believe that the tongue practise should be investigated more closely by Christians with the view to judging its scriptural foundation and if found faulty, the practice discarded.

mbaemeka:
Secondly, I didn't say the Holy Spirit told me you said that. Please don't let your poor comprehension ability to betray you. I said the Holy Spirit told me you have NO fellowship with him and I stand by my claim. Then I said, I didn't even need him to tell me that before I knew. Your own posts have shown it over time. One of such posts is the above where you insinuate that speaking in tongues is mystic.

Do you understand so far?

shdemidemi:
^^^^

Take it easy bro.

Bidam:
Wahala dey o, bible discussion don turn winsomex to another thing entirely.

shdemidemi:

Make we scotch the matter o.... I trust mba to act sensibly with him rejoinder sha..

shdemidemi:
^^^^
Take it easy bro.

nlMediator:


He shouldn't even respond to the nonsense. This guys needs help. Didn't somebody say sometime ago that he has anger issues?

Bidam:
Mbaemeka was right. He followed the crowds that are calling the devotional gift of tongues gibberish. In other words he doesn't even believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

BabaGnoni:
^^^
Your wish is my command
however go for some anger management and control please

Gorge yourself on three

One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.
- Luke 6:12 NIV

⁴¹And he withdrew from them about a stone's throw and he bowed his knees and he prayed.
⁴²And he said, "Father, if you are willing, let this cup pass from me; however not my will, but yours be done."
- Luke 22:41-42 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

⁴¹So they rolled the stone aside. Then Jesus looked up to heaven and said, "Father, thank you for hearing me.
⁴²You always hear me, but I said it out loud for the sake of all these people standing here, so that they will believe you sent me."
- John 11:41-42 NLT

mbaemeka:
No vex. I am angry at the statement not you.

Jesus was not functioning as God on earth- he was functioning as a man.

Luke 18:1 (KJ21)
18 And He spoke a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray and not to faint

It is MEN that pray and not God.

nlMediator:
He shouldn't even respond to the nonsense. This guys needs help. Didn't somebody say sometime ago that he has anger issues?

WinsomeX:


This is my quote from page 1, of my thread on mysticism in full:



Questions directed at a mystic on that thread.

And your interpretation



How four simple questions became an authoritative statement complete with a QED is the eight wonder of the world. I remind you what you said I said:



Pls readers should compare the above authoritative statements by mbaemeka, which he said I said, with the four questions I asked. Could an authoritative statement be questions in any part of the world?

Incidentally that thread has an authoritative statement on tongues by me and I will quote it here and leave the readers to conclude who is lying.

This is what I said:



What in that statement is "the gift of tongues is a mystic practice"? The very first statement said: "My study of scripture reveal that tongues is a valid gift of the Spirit".

Now who is it that has comprehension troubles?



Thank God I also know this Holy Spirit you are purporting messages from. In prayers this morning I came to this conclusion in my communion with God.

1. That there are two great facts today: truth and lies.

2. Two Spirits: The Holy Spirit and other spirits.

3. Two gospels: the Gospel and Another Gospel.

4. Two ways: the narrow way and the broad way.

5. Two eternal destinations: heaven and hell.

6. Two "gods": The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and other gods.

7. Two sons: sons of righteousness and sons of perdition.

8. Two Christians: true and false.

ETC.

You, mbaemeka, occupy the latter in all these statements. You are not a Christian, you are a liar. You are not hearing the Holy Spirit, you are hearing demons. Your eternal destination is not heaven but hell. You are a son of perdition. Those who listen to you do so at great peril to their souls.

I have nothing else to say to you on this forum until you repent; and that is if you have capacity to.

BabaGnoni:






Don't gang up on WinsomeX, please release and leave WinsomeX alone.
If at all WinsomeX was angry, WinsomeX was angry at the statement (i.e. how it was twisted)

Gombs:
Now, they are ganging up against WinsomeX shey?
Suddenly, you now work as public defender? It's well o

BabaGnoni:

I shall lift my eyes to the hills; from where will come my helper?
- We all need help
Don't gang up on WinsomeX, please release and leave WinsomeX alone.
If at all WinsomeX was angry, WinsomeX was angry at the statement (i.e. how it was twisted)

WinsomeX:


Thank you BabaGnoni for your kind defence. I actually intended asking what the spirit, talking to him, said about the "inappropriate relationship" his Pastor, Chris Oyakhilome, been having with female Pastors at the White House. But alas, is there a need?

He thought to use mesmerism on me... try again.

God pass all of una!

vooks:

Not having 'spirit' is a strategy used by control groups to contain dissent. I have heard this used so many times to cut opposition/debaters to size. A variant of the same is labeling them as causing 'strife' or being 'carnal'..... I never thought I would witness this shameless using of God's name in vain here

BabaGnoni:

I shall lift my eyes to the hills; from where will come my helper?
- We all need help
Don't gang up on WinsomeX, please release and leave WinsomeX alone.
If at all WinsomeX was angry, WinsomeX was angry at the statement (i.e. how it was twisted)

WinsomeX:


Don't mind him. He used it on Candour on the Word of Faith thread, that one cut him to size and then he tries me... he will never try it again; at least not on Nairaland.

Colossians 2:18

KJV:Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

ESV:Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind,

NIV:Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.

AMP:Let no one defraud you by acting as an umpire and declaring you unworthy and disqualifying you for the prize, insisting on self-abasement and worship of angels, taking his stand on visions [he claims] he has seen, vainly puffed up by his sensuous notions and inflated by his unspiritual thoughts and fleshly conceit,

BabaGnoni:




Don't tell us you didn't see WinsomeX descended upon and rugby-tackled to the ground from all angles there
- did you participate in it too, as I am not sure now. Or maybe you didn't join but just liked it.
Free am jor...

WinsomeX:

Thank you BabaGnoni for your kind defence. I actually intended asking what the spirit, talking to him, said about the "inappropriate relationship" his Pastor, Chris Oyakhilome, been having with female Pastors at the White House. But alas, is there a need?
He thought to use mesmerism on me... try again.
God pass all of una!

Gombs:


BBG!
Funny buddy



Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha, I knew you're surely going to mention Pastor Chris brouhaha, i know it gives you seizures as there are no gossips you normally get from the media, hence, in no short time, your bitterness has brewed into a more finer composition.

Bobo, I knew you can get angry and all and pull funny tantrums, but this is a whole new level. I must say, your transition from Drummaboy is even more interesting. Keep it up, and don't get worked up here.... it makes you look matured as you like to think.

nlMediator:
I wasn't referring to you or anybody you were addressing. The person that was associated with anger issues knows himself.

BTW, have you figured out yet if Hagin claimed to be an apostle or not?

vooks:
Something came up during this debate.

Do we have Jesus' LITERAL blood in heaven?
Somebody claims that it is Jesus blood and Jesus interceding in heaven for the world.
This borders on Catholicism mysticism of transubstantiation where the elements of the communion morph into Jesus' literal flesh and blood (maybe Dracula was Catholic)

Is every reference to Jesus blood in the NT literal? If yes, I have some difficult questions for you. If No, when or how do we tell the literal from symbolic/figure of speech?

For the record, vooks subscribes to no such thing as Jesus' blood preserved in some form in heaven probably outside his body

BabaGnoni:


"Baba" did with his.... and the evidences are in his books and all out in the public domain.

If there's anything like that at all, maybe a honorary board member extension should be given to you to know how
- I think it was Gombs that coined the "board-meeting" phrase.

but then vooks has already answered you in some ways nau.

When trouble sleep, yanga go wake am, wey tin, e dey find, my people ooo....

The thread is serene as it is now, if not that it's a lock-jaw thing, why do you want to open up a can of worms

nlMediator:
No, he has NOT answered me anything. In fact, he said we should wait for you to respond.
Is it that you don't have an ounce of integrity or what?

You accuse somebody falsely and when asked to validate your false claim, you're dancing palongo.
That's nauseating and quite unbecoming of a christian.
Calling him an apostle was relevant to what your point because you wanted to convey the impression that he was giving spiritual authority to his assertions by adding that he was an apostle.

If you made a mistake, why don't you simply retract the statement and apologize?

BabaGnoni:

You can huff and puff as much as you like, I am not getting sucked in
You can puke as much as you want to, you aren't extracting anything further out of me, except that you are close to the truth that "Baba" was giving spiritual authority to his assertions via HIS impressions
I advised not to open up a can of worms, which is why I looked the other way at the earlier spoiling-for-a-response comments, but you're so bent on.
Suck it up. Why are you so determined about this. I have moved on.
Though I did not nor never had called "Baba" an Apostle. It is Joagbaje among others on the record that called "Baba" an Apostle
However to your displeasure, I stand by the statement ""Baba" claiming to be an Apostle"
- made no mistake, don't need retracting the statement nor need to apologize

Bidam:
Mbaemeka was right. He followed the crowds that are calling the devotional gift of tongues gibberish. In other words he doesn't even believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

nlMediator:

Correct. Nobody is fooled by his antics. He claims he believes in tongues. But he turns around to reject tongues as generally understood by those who believe in tongues. So, he's no different from those who do not believe in tongues or who treat it as something "mystic".

trustman:


Hope you're enjoying the 'TRANSITION' of the thread from focus on the book to the 'drone' it has turned into.

mbaemeka:




[size=3pt]Brothers, you need to understand the crux of the whole issue that is, if you are unaware. They created a thread to exchange prevarications and conjectures with themselves and nobody gave a hoot. Ihedi (purposely truncating his moniker so he doesn't see the unnecessary mention) tried to give opposing views but they didn't even let him have a say so he took the gentlemanly route and bowed out. In between I would see brother Image's moniker on the end of a page and I'd peep in and see he was trying to redirect their focus but they didn't entertain his "dissentious" views. One time he was pushed to the extent that he rubbished all their ideas on tithes so much so that they asked him to remove his post from their thread which he eventually did. The guy who suffered the most 'wounjuries' is here to testify. He is the same one that makes spurious claims and refuses to retract them even when cornered.

I only decided to make a post on that thread as I was led to and this was when I saw Nanny's post's. Initially they were not receptive of her as they felt she was there to disrupt their flow because she posed tough questions that they could not answer. I remember mentioning Nl and Brother Gombs to come and view the fiasco but you both disobliged . In retrospect, I am happy I posted when I did as until a few weeks back I didn't even know she worshiped where she worships.

The Bipolar disordered cum failed blogger cum multiple moniker owner kept making the same idiotic post's trying to give WOF a bad name and then hang them for it. He could say things like "WOF worship angels", "Paul warned us about worshiping angels. He said it is demonic" therefore "WOF is demonic, bro confused and bro dishonest will add more to this, I rest my case on F35" and then the troop will rush in to click likes. That thread would give BasketMouth comic ammunition for 2 centuries and a half.

With the last drop of commonsense that the failed blogger had, he avoided engaging me and I was happy because he didn't discuss with any ounce of spiritual or natural intellectualism of any sort. One time he developed enough clout and made one of those balderdash-laden posts at me, explaining how Jesus was a pauper who had nowhere to lay his head. Of course, I had him for breakfast and it is because of the whooping he suffered that he redirected his anger to brother Hagin when he saw from the 1st chapter of this book how he explained that Jesus was not a homeless Pauper as they had claimed. Interestingly, Brother Hagin's explanations where from a different perspective from mine but we still arrived at the same conclusions if not they would have called me a Plagiarizer- the last resort, when all else fails.

The few of them (and really I am referring to 1 person) who had some degree of Integrity Quotient didn't bother raising old dust from the previous thread as they silently learnt lessons and made amends but the chief Ignoramus tried to cast Hagin in bad light by even attempting to question his motives for writing the book. We saw how commonsense again made a fool of him on this thread. On one other thread he said Jesus used the word power twice and never referred to miracles while at it and I and Gombs didn't let him off so easily. He even had to claim it was a typographical error but I can assure you that he didn't misuse any tense or misspell any word. It was what it was- a ginormous goof !(pardon the portmanteau)

I warned him to steer clear off my posts which his old handle did but because he is suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder he created a new moniker to initiate threads on CEC's president. Of course, the name changed but not the bitterness, envy and ignorance. He quoted a post of mine and responded with the same lies but I spotted him out in a heartbeat without even taking note of his IP address or the etisalat line he probably uses to post. When he was asked to disprove that he managed 2 accounts he "pleaded the 5th" but everyone could tell he was still the same vo.yeur and I am right in calling him so, if not he should explain to us how he saw Rev. Chris "caught pants down" borrowing his own words.

Most of them don't communicate to exchange truth.[/size] It is all about "likes"garnered a[size=4pt]nd the overbloated self-importance. One particular day while scouting through the Religion section as a guest, I came about a thread where the new moniker made a post and there was the old one on the side "viewing" it. Seconds later, I let my curiosity get the best of me when I refreshed the page and there it was- Old had liked New's post, as Old was at that point the only viewer and New had gained 1 more like. Imagine if such a person became a top office holder: He would rig-in his village headmaster to become the President of the Harvard Alumni.

Now imagine him and his delusions. On this thread he expressed his surprise that I responded to his posts which he directed at me, yet he is now telling me not to discuss with him again on this forum as if I enjoy dumbing myself down with his pseudo-intellectualism. 2 men exchanged words and when they were done the first one said "Let's not speak to ourselves again, no hard feelings". The other quizzed "no hard feelings?", and then he concluded insouciantly "no feelings at all". I am the second man.[/size]

Gombs:



Are you now stalking me?