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vooks:
You are running away from the fact that the reality you fantasize out of Psalms 92 is conspicuously absent from a righteous king, a David contemporary. The guy checked out at 54 and he had to pray against death 15 years before.

No i am not, i take the word of God as it is, i don't debate it nor treat it with unbelief by comparing it with someone who died at 54 and 33. Is it not the same Jesus who you worship that quoted Isaiah 61:1-3 to His Jewish audience, is that book not also applicable to you or is it far from you? Are you calling God a liar when He says a child shall die @ 100?

vooks:
It is far much more intelligent that you don't delude yourself that you are the first to discover this utopia, that Paul,Timothy,Epphroditus and Trophimus missed

My bro..the delusion is on you who reason the word of God like unbelievers. Don't deride yourself that Paul,Timothy and Trophimus never took those scripture on what God says seriously.

if there is a health,wealth and long life utopia, Paul and his contemporaries must have missed it because they were not exceptionally wealthy nor did they enjoy disease-free lives

Bidam:
My bro..the delusion is on you who reason the word of God like unbelievers. Don't deride yourself that Paul,Timothy and Trophimus never took those scripture on what God says seriously.

I also take the word of God as it is. You should show me where I haven't done this.
Is King Hezekiah's death at 54 years and life threatening disease at 35 inconsistent with your Psalms 92 presumptions?

A day before the Lord is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day. Does it mean that 1 day=1000 years?

Bidam:
No i am not, i take the word of God as it is, i don't debate it nor treat it with unbelief by comparing it with someone who died at 54 and 33. Is it not the same Jesus who you worship that quoted Isaiah 61:1-3 to His Jewish audience, is that book not also applicable to you or is it far from you? Are you calling God a liar when He says a child shall die @ 100?

vooks:
if there is a health,wealth and long life utopia, Paul and his contemporaries must have missed it because they were not exceptionally wealthy nor did they enjoy disease-free lives

A circular argument really. Cancel the word exceptionally and show us scripture that shows Paul was miserable,wretched,unclothed,poverty stricken and plagued with sicknesses and diseases.

Exceptionally means above-average health,wealth and longevity. In the 2000 years of Christianity, have we had Christians wealthier,healthier and living longer because of Psalms 92?

Bidam:
A circular argument really. Cancel the word exceptionally and show us scripture that shows Paul was miserable,wretched,unclothed,poverty stricken and plagued with sicknesses and diseases.

vooks:
I also take the word of God as it is. You should show me where I haven't done this.
Is King Hezekiah's death at 54 years and life threatening disease at 35 inconsistent with your Psalms 92 presumptions?

No you don't take the word of God as it is. I even used Jesus as a template and a pattern to follow who was MORE righteous than Hezekiah and died at 33, He is the pattern son of the NT Believer, was He threatened by sickness and diseases? Did He not quote from the same Isaiah you despise right now?

A day before the Lord is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day. Does it mean that 1 day=1000 years?

God says a child shall die at 100, are you calling God a liar? I didn't tell you to quote this verse for me, am well aware of it. It doesn't answer my questions here.

vooks:
Exceptionally means above-average health,wealth and longevity. In the 2000 years of Christianity, have we had Christians wealthier,healthier and living longer because of Psalms 92?

And what did Ps 92 tell you? Did you see the word exceptional there?

Bidam:
[size=24pt]No you don't take the word of God as it is.[/size]

Quote of the entire thread.

Taking God's Word as it is means reading the context,addressee and so forth before blowing hot air. Literalism borders on extremism and that's why we had Inquisition. It breeds zeal for God that is not according to knowledge/intelligence/wisdom...in other words foolishness

God is not a liar.

Matthew 19:29 Amplified Bible (AMP)
29 And anyone and everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for My name’s sake will receive [a]many [even a hundred] times more and will inherit eternal life.
Do you believe what Jesus said here?

Bidam:
No you don't take the word of God as it is. I even used Jesus as a template and a pattern to follow who was MORE righteous than Hezekiah and died at 33, He is the pattern son of the NT Believer, was He threatened by sickness and diseases? Did He not quote from the same Isaiah you despise right now?
God says a child shall die at 100, are you calling God a liar? I didn't tell you to quote this verse for me, am well aware of it. It doesn't answer my questions here.

If your unintelligent understanding of that verse is the Truth (it is not) the righteous (Christians) should live longer, get wealthier and basically healthier over non-believers

Bidam:
And what did Ps 92 tell you? Did you see the word exceptional there?

Thus saith the pasta who believes tongue and tongues are different

shdemidemi:
Quote of the entire thread.

What I don't understand is, we are to suffer with the Apostles but their tongues, abilities to heal people and cast out demons etc vanished with them. Is it fair? Is it rightfully dividing the scriptures?

What about God's power to make someone wealthy, did he relinquish that power in the OT?

What about God's ability and willingness to keep us healthy. Did he cancel such an agreement after Jesus died? Is it fair? I thought the NT was better and founded on better promises.

mbaemeka:
You don't need to sow into any man's anointing to receive anything from God but the bible still said if you sow you will reap, so one is not amiss to still sow.

bros d doctrine of sowing is a big fraud next only to d oga at d top 'tithe'.

mbaemeka:
What I don't understand is, we are to suffer with the Apostles but their tongues, abilities to heal people and cast out demons etc vanished with them. Is it fair? Is it rightfully dividing the scriptures?

What about God's power to make someone wealthy, did he relinquish that power in the OT?

What about God's ability and willingness to keep us healthy. Did he cancel such an agreement after Jesus died? Is it fair? I thought the NT was better and founded on better promises.

Food for thought.

christemmbassey:
bros d doctrine of sowing is a big fraud next only to d oga at d top 'tithe'.

Sowing and reaping is a sound doctrine written in both testaments of the bible, in plain terms. It’s ok to doubt it as it is notby force to sow.

LambanoPeace:
Sowing and reaping is a sound doctrine written in both testaments of the bible, in plain terms. It’s ok to doubt it as it is notby force to sow.

can we have d scriptures, pls?

vooks:
Thus saith the pasta who believes tongue and tongues are different

Why bring this issue here when we have a whole thread to ourself, are you this immature!

If you must quote me, please quote me right.

SPEAKING IN AN UNKNOWN TONGUE (guttural sound had no pronunciation) IS DIFFERENT FROM SPEAKING IN TONGUES(languages).

My brother, that thread was about NT prophets not tongues

Can you support this dichotomy from scriptures?

shdemidemi:
Why bring this issue here when we have a whole thread to ourself, are you this immature!

If you must quote me, please quote me right.

SPEAKING IN AN UNKNOWN TONGUE (guttural sound had no pronunciation) IS DIFFERENT FROM SPEAKING IN TONGUES(languages).

2 Corinthians 9:6 KJV

But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

christemmbassey:
can we have d scriptures, pls?

shdemidemi:
Why bring this issue here when we have a whole thread to ourself, are you this immature!
If you must quote me, please quote me right.
SPEAKING IN AN UNKNOWN TONGUE (guttural sound had no pronunciation) IS DIFFERENT FROM SPEAKING IN TONGUES(languages).

vooks:
My brother, that thread was about NT prophets not tongues

Can you support this dichotomy from scriptures?

I thought Gombs 'proved' vooks and shdemidemi are one and the same? What is the reason then for this internal argument Abi somebody is arguing with himself?

You brodas shouldn't make me get angry with you 'both' o

Just thought to throw this into the mix.

1 Corinthians 13:1 KJV

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Paul said there is a Tongues of men and then there is one of Angels- heavenly beings, God. And he said he spoke both.

Tongues of men can be understood by men but I wager that Tongues of Angels can't be interpreted by men.

Yes Paul called it TONGUES of Angels not Tongue or what not.

mbaemeka:
What I don't understand is, we are to suffer with the Apostles

The bible says we are to suffer with Christ, the apostles also had their fair share of sufferings. The bible beseech us not to be discouraged but be partakers of the afflictions that come with the gospel.

mbaemeka:
but their tongues, abilities to heal people and cast out demons etc vanished with them. Is it fair? Is it rightfully dividing the scriptures?.

I am sure none of the apostles loved to die such gruesome death they were subjected to. If they were god or if they had that power to do something miraculous at that time they would have definitely done it. I believe the spiritual privileges they had was all God inspired, they only latched unto what God was doing at Pentecost.

Even Jesus did not want to go through that much pain and death, but He eventually submitted to the will of the father.

mbaemeka:
What about God's power to make someone wealthy, did he relinquish that power in the OT?

If anyone desires to be rich today, they should get a good job if they can. The time of Manna is not now, its far gone.

mbaemeka:
What about God's ability and willingness to keep us healthy. Did he cancel such an agreement after Jesus died? Is it fair? I thought the NT was better and founded on better promises.

God is fair. The health, wealth and life eternal that you seek is waiting for you. That is why we hope, if those things are readily available now, who will need Christ to come take us home?

18 For I consider that our present sufferings cannot even be compared to the coming glory that will be revealed to us.
23 Not only this, but we ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we eagerly await our adoption, the redemption of our bodies. [size=28pt]24 For in hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope, because who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with endurance.[/size]

vooks:
My brother, that thread was about NT prophets not tongues

Can you support this dichotomy from scriptures?

It is this one that you brought it to that is about tongues right!

I am not going to discuss tongues all over again on this thread, sorry.

Just make sure you quote me right if you must do so. Thanks

You never discussed tongues nowhere but you robotically kept repeating that tongue and tongues are different and that self-edification is wicked and carnal but edification of the church is not . I stopped laughing when I discovered you were dead serious

I can excuse your inability to defend the indefensible. I would get a heart attack out of shock if you could

shdemidemi:
It is this one that you brought it to that is about tongues right!

I am not going to discuss tongues all over again on this thread, sorry.

Just make sure you quote me right if you must do so. Thanks

vooks:
You never discussed tongues nowhere but you robotically kept repeating that tongue and tongues are different and that self-edification is wicked and carnal but edification of the church is not . I stopped laughing when I discovered you were dead serious

I can excuse your inability to defend the indefensible. I would get a heart attack out of shock if you could

ok

Shdemidemi,

1. If there was a different assignment between suffering and then the concomitant signs of the believers in Mark 16 please show it to me. I have never seen it in all my years of studying the bible. Thanks.

2. Jesus told his disciples that they would be killed dor the gospel. That much is explicitly stated. What he NEVER told them was that they were to latch unto anything that God was doing at any time. That is weak and unscriptural. Peter and John said the reason the Lame man was made to walk was because of the name of Jesus and their faith in that name- nothing else!

Has the name lost it's power?

3. I asked a question, when did God relinquish the power to give people wealth? We know about diligence and Hard work. The most hard working people I know are Hawkers- they are all broke.

4. What do I need wealth for in Heaven? Where in scripture did God tell us we would get eternal life in the future? What do I need health for in Heaven? And what in that verse you posted suggests or alludes to Paul referring to health or wealth in heaven there? Mrs Folorunso Alakija is a christian billionaire and she's healthy. So what again is she waiting for?

UNKNOWN TONGUE. Google that on shdemidemi's beloved 'infallible' 'closer-to-originals' KJV and you get six (6) hits ALL in 1 Corinthians and ALL in the fourteenth chapter. It don't stop there, the UNKNOWN is italicized in ALL the six occurrences because it was the dilligent translators that interpolated. The word was not in the ORIGINAL.

Here are the occurrences;

1 Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14:4
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

1 Corinthians 14:13
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

1 Corinthians 14:14
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

1 Corinthians 14:19
Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

1 Corinthians 14:27
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

So speaking in an unknown tongue is actually speaking in a tongue!
Now, is speaking in tongues different from speaking in a tongue?
I said before, doctrines which can only be propped using a SPECIFIC version or translation of the Bible are weak and man made and most certainly unworthy clinging to or passing them on

mbaemeka:
Just thought to throw this into the mix.

1 Corinthians 13:1 KJV

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Paul said there is a Tongues of men and then there is one of Angels- heavenly beings, God. And he said he spoke both.

Tongues of men can be understood by men but I wager that Tongues of Angels can't be interpreted by men.

Yes Paul called it TONGUES of Angels not Tongue or what not.

mbaemeka:
2 Corinthians 9:6 KJV

But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

thank you sir, pls explain in context as to whether it is a doctrine. Remain blessf.

mbaemeka:
Shdemidemi,

1. If there was a different assignment between suffering and then the concomitant signs of the believers in Mark 16 please show it to me. I have never seen it in all my years of studying the bible. Thanks.

2. Jesus told his disciples that they would be killed dor the gospel. That much is explicitly stated. What he NEVER told them was that they were to latch unto anything that God was doing at any time. That is weak and unscriptural. Peter and John said the reason the Lame man was made to walk was because of the name of Jesus and their faith in that name- nothing else!

Has the name lost it's power?

3. I asked a question, when did God relinquish the power to give people wealth? We know about diligence and Hard work. The most hard working people I know are Hawkers- they are all broke.

4. What do I need wealth for in Heaven? Where in scripture did God tell us we would get eternal life in the future? What do I need health for in Heaven? And what in that verse you posted suggests or alludes to Paul referring to health or wealth in heaven there? Mrs Folorunso Alakija is a christian billionaire and she's healthy. So what again is she waiting for?

1) the primary purpose of Christianity is to herald the message of God. Suffering happens to be part of that deal.
2 Tim 4
2 Preach the message, [size=22pt]be ready whether it is convenient or not[/size], reprove, rebuke, exhort with complete patience and instruction. 3 For there will be a time when people will not tolerate sound teaching. Instead, following their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves, because they have an insatiable curiosity to hear new things. 4 And they will turn away from hearing the truth, but on the other hand they will turn aside to myths. 5 You, however, be self-controlled in all things, [size=22pt]endure hardship[/size], do an evangelist’s work, fulfill your ministry.

The commission in Mark 16 was given to authenticate and it served as a link to what is to become the church: body of Christ built on GRACE

2) God is a God of providence. He is the God who knows the end right from the beginning. It was never by Paul's power nor that of Peter nor their ability that they wrought the miracles, It was God working through them.

Like I said earlier, if it were to be by their power, no one would have killed them the way they died.

3) God stopped raining Manna from heaven the day He chose a new people for Himself. There is a difference between those He led by pillar of fire and wall of cloud and those He is leading by His Spirit today.

The Israelites were God's earthly people, they did not have any spiritual promise. It was not about hell or heaven in the Old Testament, it was all about instant death and destruction or God's wealth and mercy.

For us(the church) today, we have a spiritual promise through Jesus.

4) Mrs Alakija is the one wearing the shoes, only her can tell where it hurts. Our sufferings are relative my brother.

I don't think there are words to describe what heaven will be like.

vooks:
I expect everything but brains,logic,sense,intelligence and wisdom from Mrs Dumbo Obtuse Esq.

Pro 11:23 The desire of the righteous is only good: but the expectation of the wicked is wrath.

WinsomeX:
Do not answer a foolish man in his folly...

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Mr spiritual, who is a fool? Oh, sorry, you don't even know the meaning of the passage.