Joagbaje:

I teach the complete counsel of God. And I show references for everything I tech from scriptures. But you are yet to back up the wrong teachings you do from scripture. Few occasions when I corner you on them ,you get insultive. If you're willing to discuss . Let's open our bibles .

PastorKun:
Your "quoting" scripture to promote your scam does no mean anything to the discerning believer, it only goes to prove that you are adept in the art of scriptural manipulation.

Joagbaje:

I teach the complete counsel of God. And I show references for everything I tech from scriptures. But you are yet to back up the wrong teachings you do from scripture. Few occasions when I corner you on them ,you get insultive. If you're willing to discuss . Let's open our bibles .

shdemidemi:

Experience based christianity is the reason for the countless denominations we have in the body of Christ today. Unfortunately, experiences come and go, they are temporal, they are unique to individuals thus cannot be used as a standard for measuring biblical truth.

Many have started ministries based on personal convictions, experiences and revelations which have no precedence in scripture. People have been fooled and deceived to join such ministers because of what they see seem more real than what they can only read through scripture.

Are we in a position to actually test scriptures? I believe the only thing that needs testing is the so called miracles men ostentatiously display.

I am not adding nothing for him. Apostle Paul went past sickness, he went for the jugular when he mentioned death. There is a slight hope in sickness and disease but the man picked death.

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

'In all these things'- Even at death, I am more than a conqueror.

You did not answer the question-will a christian go through anything without God's knowledge?

Without God's permission, would it be possible for the devil to touch a man like Job?

It is easy to get carried away by the stories hence turning our backs to the main substance and reason for the stories. God showed different dimensions of Himself in scripture that we might trust, believe and worship Him as God. But, through our selfie- me myself and I way of viewing things, we hold on to the wrong end of the stick.

We make a whole mess of the stories because of our lustful nature. These stories must be seen in the light of God and not in a way to put us in a position where we see God as a placebo and ourselves as the one who really matter. God said 'worry not about these things' meaning He is in control but we ignore the word only to misinterpret and misapply all tat was suppose to be a progressive revelation of the person of God.

Well, I see the understanding of Romans 8 as a chapter that adds at least ten to twenty years to ones life. Paul said amid all we are more than conquerors. That gives me the impression of hope even as I go through my daily challenges.

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit(christians), even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

As far as this chapter and God is concerned, everyone on the face of the earth is suffering. No man has it all. I am not deceived by the luxury cars, houses and the bright smile.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

The entire chapter did not say we should do a single thing, It is an indicative chapter that tells us who we are and what awaits us after our short journey through the present life.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Before we were born, He knew us, we didnt come by accident and our journey in life isn't by accident either. There is a purpose, there is a will, and there is a record. Only God sees all that will happen to us tomorrow clearly, we only have the present and that is as far as our senses can take us.

God's will and purpose cannot be changed by prayers.

Joseph will be incarcerated until the appointed time

No matter how much Mary prayed, the will of God concerning the slaughter of Jesus on the cross cannot be changed.

Job couldn't have prayed himself out of his ordeal...

Esau I hate.. even before Esau was born. He couldn't have prayed himself to be Jacob. It was already predestined.


Prayer isn't commanding God but a relationship with God.. Thy will of God shall be done os His will and purpose is far better than whatever conjectures we may gather.

I never asked for other attributes. I only asked if He is a comforter and who needs such.

A pregnant woman that goes through the pangs and pains of child birth needs a comforter. Her comforter may be her husband, her other family members or the labor delivery nurse. None of these people can stop her from going through the pain, they can only encourage her by comforting her in whichever way or form to endure and persevere. That is exactly what the Holy Spirit does with us through God's word when we go through the pangs of life. He works on our mind like the anaesthetic does . We will hardly sob over anything even the sort of things that will naturally kill an unbeliever.

Elijah78:

How can you prove the message you believe is right and what others believe is wrong?

Joagbaje:

If I take you up for defense on this nonsense statement if yours I know you will run away. So let's not borther.

PastorKun:
I dare you to take me up if you are not a coward.

Gombs: ^^
he'd type tithe now!..

Joagbaje:

Ok so what scam have I promoted.

PastorKun:

CEC and all it stands for. As we all know CEC is nothing more than a 'legal' organised crime syndicate.

Joagbaje:

Just as Jesus had syndicate too!

John 7:12
And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.

John 7:12
And there was among the mass of the people much whispered discussion and hot disputing about Him. Some were saying, He is good! [He is a good Man!] Others said, No, He misleads and deceives the people [gives them false ideas]!John 7:12

sonOfLucifer: Spread confusion in their midst. May they be blinded by their own ignorance. May those who reject knowledge be trampled by their ignorance.

Gombs:

Hush!... be still thou foul spirit... be gone from here!

sonOfLucifer:
Slaves have no authority. Don't flex what you have not possessed.

mbaemeka:

When you hear from God I will respond to your question even if you avoided mine. While at it ask shdemidemi if it is possible to hear from God. I will like to see his "accurate" response to that question.

Elijah78:
@mbaemeka, i am very happy to know that you have been diligently following me on the other thread. Please address your question on the other thread and i will give you an ''accurate'' answer. Please do not shy away.
shdemidemi gave accurate answers to the questions you asked me, and didn't see anything that i could question. If he had done so, i will ask him questions and he will respond as we have done on other threads. I take nairaland as a learning platform. I grap what i ''think'' is good for my spiritual growth and drop the rest. just as i disagree with gombs, you, Jo etc doesn't mean that i have not learn positively from your postings.
The fact that you have sported me out on the other thread and concluded that i do not agree with shdemidemi doesn't mean that in the near future we can agree.
Looking forward to seeing you on the said thread for an ''accurate'' answer.
Food for thought ''How then could you ever find the real God amid the religions of the world that portray Him in so many different ways?''
''Religion is a man-made institution. It consists of man’s concept of who he wants God to be, what he wants Him to do and how he wants Him to do it. And when you look at all the different denominations and groups, it’s clear that opinions vary. It’s a result of man’s rational, selfish thought and has little or nothing to do with the invisible, yet real, Sovereign of the Universe''.
Thanks

mbaemeka:

Don't get your hopes up, I don't follow you on any thread. Just as I read through someone's post on a thread many times I go back to other threads to see some consistency in his beliefs. If I see inconsistencies in his beliefs it helps me understand his person and the quality of information he listens to and believes as truth.

In your case, you believe you will hear God's voice. So you are waiting patiently on him but you disbelieve he will heal people or you endorse the posts of those who say that healings have stopped. You try. The same miracle that makes you listen to and hear God's audible voice is the same one responsible for healing people because they are achieved by the same Holy Spirit. So if you disbelieve his ability to heal you might as well disbelieve his ability to speak to you.

This reminds me of some Pentecostal pastors in Nigeria years back who criticised miracles in their country but then went to invite Benny Hinn and Reinhard Bonnke to come to Nigeria to administer the anointing of God on the sick. (These men are real men of God, I have no doubts) but the meetings didn't produce as much healings as was anticipated and I will tell you why. The Nigerian Pastors that invited them had insulted the Holy Spirit yet expected him to perform mighty miracles. It doesn't work that way. You cannot insult the Holy Spirit in Nigeria and then expect the 'one' in America to come and do mighty works-as if they are different.

So you can keep waiting on God. I can assure you, you would not hear from him until you go on your knees and ask him to forgive you for blaspheming his works and disbelieving his words. When you do this he will make the grey areas in your studies clearer for you and then some of your questions will be answered.

If you are of the Spirit, you will be able to tell that I don't discuss religion with men that's why I back what I say from the scriptures with the power that should follow. There are many Atheists I would never be able to convince with mere words but just a simple demonstration and they will cower under God's power. That's what Paul said.

For instance, if I tell you the name of Jesus is the only name given amongst men by which anyone can be saved and you are calling Buddha or any other name I will walk up to a sick person or one afflicted of the devil and command that devil to check out In Jesus' name and then I will ask you to do so in the name of whatever deity you say you believe in. I have no doubts that your deity will be put to shame afterall Jesus told us that Satan cannot cast out satan and I believe Jesus.

So instead of arguing nonsense and shielding it with misappropriated scriptures you better meditate on God's word and believe it. Then go on to apply it and see with your very eyes that the word works.

I do love you in the right way, that's why I am advising you.

Cheers.

Elijah78:
Food for thought ''How then could you ever find the real God amid the religions of the world that portray Him in so many different ways?''

''Religion is a man-made institution. It consists of man’s concept of who he wants God to be, what he wants Him to do and how he wants Him to do it. And when you look at all the different denominations and groups, it’s clear that opinions vary. It’s a result of man’s rational, selfish thought and has little or nothing to do with the invisible, yet real, Sovereign of the Universe''.

Thanks

Elijah78:
Okay thank you sir! Should i wait on you to answer the question you asked me?
How can you prove the message you believe is right and what others believe is wrong?? Thanks
Note i have also gone through some of your posts and realize how you call people demon infested etc. Is that what God is teaching you? You are advising me to follow that? Any time i read a post from you, i see some bitterness, why?

mbaemeka:

I can prove the message I believe is right because I can (first of all) show you the scripture that teaches it and then I can demonstrate to you that it works. My style is different from those who talk, talk and. . .talk more. Those who can quote logos (albeit misappropriated) but then will shy away from showing us that what they believe works or will altogether say it is not supposed to work. No No No!

Paul said: "my preaching wasn't done with just mere persuasive words of man's wisdom. It was backed up with demonstration of the Spirit's power in what I believe. I did this so that your faith will not rely on the wisdom of men but in the power of God" (Paraphrasing 1 Corinthians 2:4-5)

If Paul needed to brother, then it is good for every Christian. Do you think I would like to believe in something that doesn't work? I am just like you too- I never want to put my trust in something that doesn't work and God's word works!!

As per me calling some people demon-infested, brother it is because they are. If you are full of the Spirit and can discern spiritually this will not be new to you. Many times I don't even write of my own volition, he gives me the words and I type it down. Sometimes I use the word to judge and the word is a wise judge- He judges rightly.

Don't get me wrong I know the difference between sheer ignorance and when someone is possessed. For the former just show them the word and they will refrain from doing what they have been doing (The entrance of God's word brings light and understanding the Psalmist says), while for the latter, no amount of clear scriptures will convince them because they are controlled by a spirit whose soul aim is to destroy them. Don't be mistaken.

The urge to bring another Christian down (for example) can never be from God no matter how we try to dress it. So when I see "supposed" Christians writing lies about a fellow or even bearing false witness I know it cannot be from God. Jesus told the Jews (who thought they were Children of God) that they were of their father the devil and his acts they must do. He was a murderer from the beginning and when he talks he speaks only lies because he is the father of lies (not the father of liars).

So when people believe lies and start reposting it everywhere they are unwittingly taking in seeds of Satan. That type of thing will only grow into full time demons and that's what I am addressing.

Hope you understand.

mbaemeka:

I can prove the message I believe is right because I can (first of all) show you the scripture that teaches it and then I can demonstrate to you that it works. My style is different from those who talk, talk and. . .talk more. Those who can quote logos (albeit misappropriated) but then will shy away from showing us that what they believe works or will altogether say it is not supposed to work. No No No!

Paul said: "my preaching wasn't done with just mere persuasive words of man's wisdom. It was backed up with demonstration of the Spirit's power in what I believe. I did this so that your faith will not rely on the wisdom of men but in the power of God" (Paraphrasing 1 Corinthians 2:4-5)

If Paul needed to brother, then it is good for every Christian. Do you think I would like to believe in something that doesn't work? I am just like you too- I never want to put my trust in something that doesn't work and God's word works!!

As per me calling some people demon-infested, brother it is because they are. If you are full of the Spirit and can discern spiritually this will not be new to you. Many times I don't even write of my own volition, he gives me the words and I type it down. Sometimes I use the word to judge and the word is a wise judge- He judges rightly.

Don't get me wrong I know the difference between sheer ignorance and when someone is possessed. For the former just show them the word and they will refrain from doing what they have been doing (The entrance of God's word brings light and understanding the Psalmist says), while for the latter, no amount of clear scriptures will convince them because they are controlled by a spirit whose soul aim is to destroy them. Don't be mistaken.

The urge to bring another Christian down (for example) can never be from God no matter how we try to dress it. So when I see "supposed" Christians writing lies about a fellow or even bearing false witness I know it cannot be from God. Jesus told the Jews (who thought they were Children of God) that they were of their father the devil and his acts they must do. He was a murderer from the beginning and when he talks he speaks only lies because he is the father of lies (not the father of liars).

So when people believe lies and start reposting it everywhere they are unwittingly taking in seeds of Satan. That type of thing will only grow into full time demons and that's what I am addressing.

Hope you understand.

mbaemeka: As per me calling some people demon-infested, brother it is because they are. If you are full of the Spirit and can discern spiritually this will not be new to you. Many times I don't even write of my own volition, he gives me the words and I type it down. Sometimes I use the word to judge and the word is a wise judge- He judges rightly.

mbaemeke: I can prove the message I believe is right because I can (first of all) show you the scripture that teaches it and then I can demonstrate to you that it works. My style is different from those who talk, talk and. . .talk more. Those who can quote logos (albeit misappropriated) but then will shy away from showing us that what they believe works or will altogether say it is not supposed to work. No No No!

shdemidemi:

And what is the counsel/advise of God that you preach and What exactly is your mission statement?

Joagbaje:

All four people had false positive result? What about the symptoms ? It's people like you that claim Lazarus was only in a coma . And that the Red Sea was only akle deep for isreal to cross it?

Joagbaje:


Salvation is complete Prosperity spirit soul and
Body.

Elijah78:


If salvation is complete according to you, why do your members still fall sick?
Why do you still make careless mistakes like the editing of Jeff's script?

Candour:


Really?? I thought you're intelligent? Videos? Hmm. I met one CEC media staff at a conference once and the way she spoke so glowingly of your media arm, I doubt there's any photo and film trick Hollywood invents that you won't be able to mimic. My friend, leave all those una videos. This is the last place you should bring such as 'proof' for anything except your dexterity at altering reality.

He doesn't need validation and yet he opens countless threads to tell NL he heals? Your man is dangerously narcissistic. He needs public acclaim like air. You should help him instead of encouraging him on.

As for quarell, whenever I remember you also played football at St Murumba field, even if I dey vex, I go just chill. So we won't quarell. I've pointed out what I wanted with the tithe reference and I trust you got the message.

mbaemeka:


How can you prove the message you believe is right and what others believe is wrong?

Are we to trade words till eternity? If what you believe is true let God back it up or else we can assume he doesn't exist.

vooks:
John 10:41 King James Version (KJV)
41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.

John must have been a hopelessly boring prophet; all talk and no show