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Continue extravagant living & see













Meanwhile.... #TearingMyChickenLap

Your wife is 7mths pregnant and you say you want to settle your debts and start buying baby things in the next 3 mths?Your baby will come in about 2 months.
Well now you need to cut down on all unnecessary spending and look for ways of settling your debts.

Now as a Christian,do you personally believe in tithing?Abraham,Isaac and Jacob tithed and they didn't do it because there was a law that compelled them to do it.They gave it of faith,they made God a partner.Those who don't understand it may disagree with the principle.If a man pays tithe and says it makes him more indebted,he should look more towards his confessions.

Take practical steps to manage your finances well.

Thanks

Refer to this thread and learn https://www.nairaland.com/1189741/tithes-offerings

A man who cannot take care of his family is worse than a gentile

The thing is this, I have done my calculations and if I follow them from this month, by early March, 2015 I will be be done and even have some extra cash.
But it will be easier to stop all spending including tithe (God please forgive me).
Am just looking for matured responses, thanks in advance.

What exactly is the dilemma?
The payment of tithe?
The offsetting of debts?
The unemployed state of your wife?
The purchasing of baby things?

What Sir?
What exactly do you need help with?

@ evina should I stop paying my tithe for the next 3 mths and settle my bills? Yes or no? That's my question. Because wifey is making it seem like am a sinner, she says we should trust in God, fine I agree, but I need to make plans.

tron23:
@ evina should I stop paying my tithe for the next 3 mths and settle my bills? Yes or no? That's my question. Because wifey is making it seem like am a sinner, she says we should trust in God, fine I agree, but I need to make plans.

If the 90% of your income is not enough for you, how will 100% be enough? How much difference will your 10% make?

As a christian, anything you choose to do as an art of worship to God must be done in faith. If you choose to tithe, do it in understanding and in total trust to God because only then will you experience the reward.

I understd u perfectly. I've been in tight situatns were I cudnt afford 2 pay my tithe, cos I can't borrow 4rm nyone, so I live strictly within my means. God knows wen I den have d means 2 pay, I pay cos my heart isn't against tithing its just a temporary situatn, wen I get myself 2geda again, I start paying.

@ dahmie2013, thanks alot

You know what to do.

Cut down on expenses (which includes tithing), live low, stop eating out, buy only the essentials, and give yourself a target. Every month evalute to see if u are on track, try and carry madam along
I understand the annoyance of living with debt, hopefully you will get out of it soon

Evina:


If the 90% of your income is not enough for you, how will 100% be enough? How much difference will your 10% make?

As a christian, anything you choose to do as an art of worship to God must be done in faith. If you choose to tithe, do it in understanding and in total trust to God because only then will you experience the reward.

that 10percent could buy diapers or clothes which he desperately needs now for the coming baby.

tron23:
Okay, I dont always do this. Here is my wahala. I am married, living abroad, my wife is 7mths pregnant. We are expecting our baby soon.
Now wifey isnt working, cash is abit tight. An owing some money, we haven't started buying things for baby yet.
I intend to clear my debt in the next 3 mths, and start buying baby stuffs. Now, as am the sole bread winner I want to stop paying my tithe, settle my debts and begin to live Within my financial means, wifey is insisting we pay tithe.
Also, we have Bills, rent and she aint contributing cash. I can't keep asking people for help, I don't like this life style. Presently wifey is vexing. She just went out. So what do you all think, an I wrong.

Please mature comments only.
I personally feel that I need to live within ny means this new 2015. No more extravagant living.

Bro.. Forget this Tithe and God matter, take the practical step that will help you come off your debts and be financially ok to take care of your unborn child and unemployed wife..If your wife insist she should get a job and pay the tithe or call her parents or relatives to give her the 10% for the tithe.. Read 1Timothy 5:8...

Evina:


If the 90% of your income is not enough for you, how will 100% be enough? How much difference will your 10% make?

As a christian, anything you choose to do as an art of worship to God must be done in faith. If you choose to tithe, do it in understanding and in total trust to God because only then will you experience the reward.

so true

zeb04:
so true

Merry Christmas.

tron23:
The thing is this, I have done my calculations and if I follow them from this month, by early March, 2015 I will be be done and even have some extra cash.
But it will be easier to stop all spending including tithe (God please forgive me).
Am just looking for matured responses, thanks in advance.

No you are not.
If you are truthful to yourself, you will admit that you are just looking for encouragement to do what you know is not right. You are looking for endorsements for your error.

You should know better than to seek answers to spiritual things from sources whose spirituality you ain't sure of. You have Gods word, you have the Holy Spirit, you have pastors, you have a wife who seems to have some level of spiritual understanding. Yet, you choose a secular forum for answers.

No brother, you really don't need "mature advice".

One more thing,

I am quite sure that before you married your wife, you made her believe you both were on the same page, as to spiritual matters.

You let her know tithing is non negotiable. Now the storms of life have come raging, you are looking at the wind instead of staying steadfast.

I am glad she is a good woman, who inspite of the challenges, refuses to compromise. Listen to your wife and the voice of reasoning within you. Remember, he that faints in the day of adversity has little strength. Ask for grace. This one too shall pass.

@ evina, sincerely speaking, there are sine things that I hear that make me laugh.
I have been married for over 1 yr now. Part of what has caused me being in debt now is my failure to be firm when it matters.
Over the last year we have been living above our means, as a nice guy that believes I should provide the best for my family I have done my duties. Please answer me what is 10 percent. wifey will day pay your tithe, when it's middle of the month and we need money to pay Bills or buy food she will start nagging
.
Let me ask you have you travelled outside naija? No one here gives a damn even the so called religious leaders.
As am speaking now, I ain't git savings, haba is that life.

Going into 2015, I have resolved to cut my coat according to my size. Please us that a sin. I started paying tithe as early as 16yrs for your information.
Am asking for matured answers and I have got them.

Normally I don't do this, recently we went to see someone And I didn't have enough money to pay the Cab fare. Why should I put myself through all that.
I am a believer and I have prayed, this isn't lack of faith. I believe that it's time I made some changes to my life style.
God forgive me.

tron23:
Okay, I dont always do this. Here is my wahala. I am married, living abroad, my wife is 7mths pregnant. We are expecting our baby soon.
Now wifey isnt working, cash is abit tight. An owing some money, we haven't started buying things for baby yet.
I intend to clear my debt in the next 3 mths, and start buying baby stuffs. Now, as am the sole bread winner I want to stop paying my tithe, settle my debts and begin to live Within my financial means, wifey is insisting we pay tithe.
Also, we have Bills, rent and she aint contributing cash. I can't keep asking people for help, I don't like this life style. Presently wifey is vexing. She just went out. So what do you all think, an I wrong.

Please mature comments only.
I personally feel that I need to live within ny means this new 2015. No more extravagant living.

Bruv, God is not a man, he is omnipotent and his judgment transcends beyond the physical.. God does not need your tithe, it is your heart towards him that matters.. I have 2 kids and knows that heaven will curse me should i fail to plan for their future because i want to pay tithe..What God needs from you is a clean and Christ like heart, to serve him in true worship and righteousness.. Plan for your unborn child and unemployed wife..

This good wife should get a job and help pay the tithe.
How can only one person be doing everything and she's expecting more or doesn't she know the coming baby is another responsibility too?

Evina:
One more thing,

I am quite sure that before you married your wife, you made her believe you both were on the same page, as to spiritual matters.

You let her know tithing is non negotiable. Now the storms of life have come raging, you are looking at the wind instead of staying steadfast.

I am glad she is a good woman, who inspite of the challenges, refuses to compromise. Listen to your wife and the voice of reasoning within you. Remember, he that faints in the day of adversity has little strength. Ask for grace. This one too shall pass.

cococandy:
This good wife should get a job and help pay the tithe.
How can only one person be doing everything and she's expecting more or doesn't she know the coming baby is another responsibility too?

You don't know why she isn't working. Why not ask the OP so you can make an informed contribution rather than speculate?

Evina:


If the 90% of your income is not enough for you, how will 100% be enough? How much difference will your 10% make?

Exactly what I wanted to ask? so 10% of your salary can offset your debts, buy baby stuffs ??

Just as you said, you have to cut expenses, live within your means.. doing this, you will make enough savings. . You can't be in debt and be living an extravagant life, then blame your indebtedness on tithe paying. .

Evina:


You don't know why she isn't working. Why not ask the OP so you can make an informed contribution rather than speculate?

Because she isn't working is the more reason she should stop imposing her views on the man who is working & paying the bills & try to see issues from his view point. "Them say na person wey wear shoe know where e dey pain am".

Did you hear the Dude say he could barely pay their taxi fare the last time they went out? He has no savings? He is in debt? Be realistic because even God is a realist that is why he created you so beautiful & perfect.

Today am off work so let's all talk

@ evina and marvellous

The 10 percent doesn't matter, the issue is that I need to control my life style. Wifey won't agree to do any menial or questionable job, I don't want her to have that experience. I need to clear all my debts fast, how can I be entering a new tear with debt. God forbid. I want to clear everything, credit cards, Bills, everything.

Listen to me I have lived outside naija for close to 5 yrs, I don't go borrowing, I like my peace of mind.
Furthermore, late next year, we need to renew our visa, more money (Times two),
Wifey and I have tried this living by faith policy, I believe God, but as I said I got no savings, no emergency funds. Haba.


I don't believe in living in denial, that's the height of stupidity.

MarvellousGod:
Exactly what I wanted to ask? so 10% of your salary can offset your debts, buy baby stuffs ??

Just as you said, you have to cut expenses, live within your means.. doing this, you will make enough savings. . You can't be in debt and be living an extravagant life, then blame your indebtedness on tithe paying. .

really it is funny how tron23 is referring to tithing as extravagant lifestyle. how much is the tithe? Infact, if you van discipline yourself to tithe, it shows you can discipline yourself to manage your finances properly.

But hey, it is his choice and decision to make. I just wonder why he claimed to need advice in the first instance when it was actually encouragement to do what he already proposed to do.

Evina:


You don't know why she isn't working. Why not ask the OP so you can make an informed contribution rather than speculate?

mmm. Do you think your contribution is informed?

Hey evina, am actually enjoying this talk.

Number one, na only me dey work oh,
Number two, let me ask you have you ever lived outside naija, even if na masters.
When you live with your parents it's easy to do certain things with ease.
I actually feel very sad this year, because I didn't send any cash or things back home as Xmas present to ny folks. That's life.
Believe me, I am a giver, maybe not in millions of naira, but atleast thousands.

When or if you get married we will talk again.
My wife is on study leave from her bank in Naija. I have been paying transport fare ( train) to school 3 Times a week. Am not complaining, what I just don't get if why all the condemnation, if I need money now will you or your Leaders give me, question?

If we were both working then it's a different matter.

So this church you pay tithes too, when you are in financial trouble can you confidently run to them and be sure that they will help you out?

Thats the essence of christain giving so those who have can bring and those in need can get not for one pastor to feed fat on the sweat and blood of others.

Bros be practical, pastors are not levites, the tribe of Levi were lost hundreds of years ago not one can be traced today. They manipulate you with fear and guilt and make you part with your hard earned money no questions asked.

Me I have never given tithe, instead from little I have I give those in need and practically meet the nEeds of the least among us as Christ commanded, I was sick and one crazy person was celebrating because he said it was due to my stance on tithing, he said since I refused to give to "God" doctors will finish my money lol. First thing, God sent my husband my way who had a very solid insurance cover married me quickly and covered me, so I didnt spend a kobo. Sadly his sister had the same illness and while they were casting rejecting and binding hoping to prove that tithes as they told them will cover them she passed.


I am not writing that story to gloat God forbid, just showing an example of how impractical false doctrines have turned us to.

So brother plan your life according to your means, having a baby is no small task

Frankly Aisha2 you have said too much
If a man can't understand neglect of family is a bad thing..he is still debating up n down

The man is enjoying his debate with the lady evina

When his baby comes
They will use nylon as diaper
While the pastors will continue buying private jets

Op pls just live on what you earn,everyone needs to learn that.I know it can be hard but impossible is nothing.
During my service year,I lived on my 19,800 although very difficult and I had parents who could help but I just resolved to live on it.

As for your tithe issue,God will help you understand but until you get there ,keep having faith for increase.

God will help you.