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RAO1:
.....But why are Nairalanders blaming Saudi and relating this issue to religion....I ddnt read/hear anything like this when the U.S.A gvt ddnt sell military arms to Nigeria...
religion and ethnicity are our major problemata in Nigeria..
#GodblessNigeria

Cus of religion, APC couldn't choose the people's choice as the VP .....BRF
many youth won't vote GMB "only " bcus he's a Muslim... not that he's not a credible candidate ...not that they believe he wld loot...



Itwas not easy for Lawrence Anini
It was not easy for Oyenusi
It was not easy for Shina Rambo
Lawrence Anini did it.
Oyenusi did it.
Shina Rambo did it
Now, President Goodluck Jonathan is doing it.
Mr President keep stealing because STEALING
IS NOT CORRUPTION and thieves behind you
are more than the saints against you.
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Go tell the NA that they do not need much sophisticated weapons or armory to win this war.

Lets save the hard earned foreign currency and time.

This is the only weapon they need in pix here.

Chukwugekwu:
and you expecting a semi illiterate buhari vampire to be our president

watever! He is stil better than dis usless man because during his tym in power wasn't bad like dis..









#jonathan out

WhiteTechnology:
If Northern and Western elites who ruled Nigeria had involved our higher institutions in weapons development ( Design , Fabrication and Testing ) as DICON mass produces, we won't be receiving these insults.


Question guys like you should ask is

What effort did Buhari make in encouraging our higher institutions in weapons development when he was military head of state.

What effort did OBJ make in seeing that Nigeria through the help of her higher institutions developed weapons that are exportable.

If Buhari did nothing, Obasanjo too, must Jonathan also follow them?
Why can't he be different?
Why did we vote him then?
People are already being enlightened in Nigeria more than ever that's nore reason why almost everyone is critisizing Jonathan.
We need a leader who is ready to work for us not someone who only sees the FG as a money making machine.

chronique:
Most times,when I read comments on nairaland as regards politics,wars and who the real terrosists of the world are,I feel so heartbroken. "Most" of the current youths of this generation are extremely stupid,ignorant,lacking in intelligence quotient and almost aren't useful to the nation called Nigeria,based on the silly comments they make online. These are the same ones who go through school,come out and can hardly defend their certificates.

I need most of you,to read this piece on the Afghan war and see the contributions from the US,Britain and Saudi Arabia. It would also give you guys an insight as to how the Osama Bin Laden problem,came into existence. I culled this from wikipedia.

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The Soviet war in Afghanistan lasted nine years from December 1979 to February 1989. Part of the Cold War, it was fought between Soviet-led Afghan forces against multi-national insurgent groups called the Mujahideen, mostly composed of two alliances – the Peshawar Seven and the ....................................... 1989. Due to the interminable nature of the war, the conflict in Afghanistan has sometimes been referred to as the "Soviet Union's Vietnam War" or the "Bear Trap" by the Western media.

It would be better if you could please explain your own view point on how the Wikepedia article relates to the topic of discussion, before we have to read it verbatim.

I think you are trying to explain how proxy wars are financed and fought. It has been going on for 100 years.
The Bolsheviks & Communists & Nazis were financed & supported by Wall Street financial elite who wanted financial gain. It was a business venture.

Billyonaire:
Smart ? That's an understatement. Your patriotism is questionable. Your resentment for your government and security forces are disgusting to say the least. Please recalibrate the fulcrum of your reasoning, it is totally flawed.

And narcissist too.

Congrats, you have been noticed

Mynd44:
You are going to blame the Saudi Government for not allowing a government they don't trust fly arms over their airspace?

Perhaps you will say Saudi Arabia is also supporting Boko Haram next.

Trust? As in Nigeria was gonna bomb them?

We might see an unexpected new ally come into play in the coming weeks. Nigeria will not be left without help.

RayCharles:
Shey USA gov't bin give em reason! Oya Saudi Arabia! Give una own! Bam

Man! it took them over a week or thereabouts to give us the reason (the main reason known by God )... relax!.....

Mynd44:
We import toothpick and office pins in this country sef.

As much as I'd like to see my country flourish again, I'd like to ask:
Is it the govt that should begin the production of toothpick and office pins?
Can't anyone venture into this as private business and cash in on it?
Or is there any specific law that expressly forbids the production of toothpick and office pins in the country?

Bro, except there's very sound argument in favour, I find this very flawed.

just because de otuoke ma* is weak dat is de reaso* all dis ab*ormalities are *appe*i*g,,,,we wa*t a ge*eral to roll de table arou*d,,,,,,

dcaliph:
Saudi Arabia is USA puppet, if USA don‘t want Nigeria to get arms, Saudi would not grant permission. Gej should talk to Obama, if Obama agrees, Saudi agrees.

Let us not forget that saudi refuses to allow OPEC to reduce oil output, though reducing it would be of their interest, just because USA want to punish Russia.

Saudi and Nigeria were close, when Nigeria and USA were close.

. The most logical comment thus far. You must have a very intelligent mind.

Mynd44:
If that is the reason, we have not been friendly with Muslims (even we who are not in government hell even the admins here).

And if it is not religion, what if it is terrorism as they dont trust u? I addressed that too.

Continue with your obsession, it's your life.

Before, I quit the thread, let me put things straight.

Nobody is unfair with Muslims and by extension Islam as a religion rather the culture of intolerance and ability to accept criticism are the factors making the difference.

For example, one lunatic says Jesus is a bastard, yes this should be up for debate rather than insults and threat, reason being that the Bible confirmed he has no human father and moreover science says it's impossible.

Second example, an atheist calls prophet Mohammed (PBUH) a pedophile, yes this is partly if not entirely true and should be up for debate, reason being the record he married under ten.

Refusal to placate the culture of intolerance, impunity and hyper sensitivity to criticism do not constitute unfairness rather a challenge to adapt and defend your faith in conversation and practice as to shame your critics.

Humans are created to adapt, everyone is not expected to understand you or me

Bye

jaysniggs:
If Buhari did nothing, Obasanjo too, must Jonathan also follow them?
Why can't he be different?
Why did we vote him then?
People are already being enlightened in Nigeria more than ever that's nore reason why almost everyone is critisizing Jonathan.
We need a leader who is ready to work for us not someone who only sees the FG as a money making machine.

That's why I am disappointed in him not realising the need to involve our best minds in our higher institutions in weapons development.

kmariko:
S’Arabia Refuses to Grant Flight Permit for Nigerian Arms Procured from Pakistan

29 Dec 2014

By Senator Iroegbu

Nigeria’s effort at ending the Boko Haram insurgency has run into another hitch with the refusal by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to grant over-flight permits to cargo planes conveying military equipment and armoured tanks procured by the Nigerian government from Pakistan.

THISDAY gathered authoritatively from intelligence sources that the decision by the Saudi authorities is certain to cause a diplomatic row at a time the Jonathan administration is eager to end the insurgency in the North-east before the 2015 general election.

President Goodluck Jonathan is seeking re-election in less than two months time and had given the green light to the military authorities to procure arms from alternative sources such as Pakistan and Russia other than Nigeria’s traditional allies led by the United States of America, United Kingdom and France.

The decision, THISDAY gathered, was premised on Nigeria’s displeasure with the US after the country blocked the sale of American-manufactured Cobra attack helicopters from Israel.

With the position of the West, Nigeria decided to turn to the East, chiefly Pakistan, from which the federal government was able to procure a huge cache of military hardware needed to prosecute the war against Boko Haram.

However, an intelligence source said: “Getting the equipment into Nigeria immediately has run into a hitch owing to Saudi Arabia’s refusal to grant the cargo planes that will convey the arms over-flight permits through its airspace.

“We got permission to fly through Sudan and other countries but have been blocked by Saudi Arabia, which has impeded the urgency of the operation.”
He added that owing to Saudi Arabia’s refusal, the only alternative is for Nigeria to ship the armament by sea, but using this as an option would take much longer.

“If we resort to shipping the arms via the high seas, they would reach us well after the elections which may be too late for the desired impact, especially now that we have the insurgents on the run,” he explained.

Flight permits are required by all aircraft to overfly, land or make a technical stop in any country’s airspace. All countries have their own regulations regarding the issuance of flight permits, as there are generally a number of considerations including payment involved.

When asked if there might have been religious undertones in Saudi Arabia’s decision to withhold the flight permit, the intelligence source said he was not certain but would not rule it out.

“Nigeria has always had close ties to Saudi Arabia, but with a war that has a religious slant, we may not be able to rule it out. But what I can say for certain is that this would lead to diplomatic tensions between both countries,” he said.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/-s-arabia-refuses-to-grant-flight-permit-for-nigerian-arms-procured-from-pakistan/197883/

This is not a joking matter. Im so worried that Nigeria is losing her traditional allies.
We have lost USA as an ally and we r losing more allies. This has never happened b4. GEJ ADMINISTRATION LACK DIPLOMATIC RELATIONSHIP. He cant get new ally and we r losing our old allies.

Country without heavy-weight allies will remain under-dog. Recently we lost South Africa too.

JF-17 Thunder and Al-Khalid MBT Things.

kmariko:
S’Arabia Refuses to Grant Flight Permit for Nigerian Arms Procured from Pakistan

29 Dec 2014

By Senator Iroegbu

Nigeria’s effort at ending the Boko Haram insurgency has run into another hitch with the refusal by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to grant over-flight permits to cargo planes conveying military equipment and armoured tanks procured by the Nigerian government from Pakistan.

THISDAY gathered authoritatively from intelligence sources that the decision by the Saudi authorities is certain to cause a diplomatic row at a time the Jonathan administration is eager to end the insurgency in the North-east before the 2015 general election.

President Goodluck Jonathan is seeking re-election in less than two months time and had given the green light to the military authorities to procure arms from alternative sources such as Pakistan and Russia other than Nigeria’s traditional allies led by the United States of America, United Kingdom and France.

The decision, THISDAY gathered, was premised on Nigeria’s displeasure with the US after the country blocked the sale of American-manufactured Cobra attack helicopters from Israel.

With the position of the West, Nigeria decided to turn to the East, chiefly Pakistan, from which the federal government was able to procure a huge cache of military hardware needed to prosecute the war against Boko Haram.

However, an intelligence source said: “Getting the equipment into Nigeria immediately has run into a hitch owing to Saudi Arabia’s refusal to grant the cargo planes that will convey the arms over-flight permits through its airspace.

“We got permission to fly through Sudan and other countries but have been blocked by Saudi Arabia, which has impeded the urgency of the operation.”
He added that owing to Saudi Arabia’s refusal, the only alternative is for Nigeria to ship the armament by sea, but using this as an option would take much longer.

“If we resort to shipping the arms via the high seas, they would reach us well after the elections which may be too late for the desired impact, especially now that we have the insurgents on the run,” he explained.

Flight permits are required by all aircraft to overfly, land or make a technical stop in any country’s airspace. All countries have their own regulations regarding the issuance of flight permits, as there are generally a number of considerations including payment involved.

When asked if there might have been religious undertones in Saudi Arabia’s decision to withhold the flight permit, the intelligence source said he was not certain but would not rule it out.

“Nigeria has always had close ties to Saudi Arabia, but with a war that has a religious slant, we may not be able to rule it out. But what I can say for certain is that this would lead to diplomatic tensions between both countries,” he said.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/-s-arabia-refuses-to-grant-flight-permit-for-nigerian-arms-procured-from-pakistan/197883/

idumuose:
Myndd44 is shekau a christian? Is ISIS christian militants? Did shekau quote the bible to support his terrorist activities?

Reread your post and edit it incase you typed it in darkness.

Reason from your brain dude.
All the killers like isis,bh are not representing the true Islam.They may quote and shout Islamic words,but you definitely know that is crazy and devilish.

Is reverend king a good xtian?How about Lord resistance army?How about gay pastors?How about pastors that engage in child abuse?...Here even though they proclaim bible,I dont think they are true xtian..Are they?

trillville:
why do you say government has no business in business? what is the logic behind this highly idiotic phrase? i hope u understand that governments purpose is the wellness of its citizenry?

America developed as a market based economy. this was possible because, business people invented the technologies that are being used there.
for example, a tractor, an engineer designs one tractor and sells it to a farmer. the farmer produces more food as a result of his new tractor. other farmers request for tractors and a tractor making business is born. this takes a very long time to be achieved

In nigeria, we don't need to invent new technology to develop. we can simply import tractors or manufacture tractors since we already know it is a viable business. the issue we have in nigeria, is we do not have nigerians who are both rich enough and are willing to invest in businesses. only a few corrupt individuals and the dangotes have such money to carry out big business.

lucky for us, we have been blessed with oil. most countries do not have this luxury.

the nigerian government needs to step in to develop these industries and then possibly privatize the industries sometime in the future (to improve quality and not because it can't fight corruption). does this make any sense to you?

finally, government runned businesses are not inherently corrupt, corrupt leadership is what makes government runned businesses corrupt.

You must be a complete retarrd not to understand what that phrase was all about and in your rush to sound intelligent you rushed and started off by abusing your parents. I won't waste my megabyte educating iidiots like you in this forum.

Simple figure of speech you can't figure it out without an English teacher , yet you want to talk about Governance....smh, what an arrogant bastard.

Who is to blame for all these uncertainties?

amsad19:
Why arr you southerners alway think tru ur anus?

israel refused a deal with the govt and yet u said it's u.s so y didn't u say it's u.s when it concerns saudi Arabia?

if you take Muslims as terrorist then tell me 1 imam that have a private jet and the jet is caught in south Africa for illegal arms deal

the crab you write above shows that you ar a he goat . Even Hegoat is far better than you. Isis,Taliban al Shabbab,,islamiyya in Egypt ,jams at ansar al Sunna , al Qaeda ,mujahideen,Hezbollah Kurdish Sunni terrorist group, boko haram etc: these are few terrorist group and they are all Muslims,this pple use Islamic motivation for their action. They cited quranic verses and Hadith to justify their action. Most Muslims draw sympathy on this group including you. Logically, you are some how a terrorist too

Habibuisah1:
how many years does buhari spent as d head of military government?he spent not more than eight months but he was able to three nigeria famous refineries......mtssw sentiment in action

so it was Buhari, out of tribal sentiment that built refinery in Kaduna, so far from where the oil is being drilled. This has caused so much distress to the communities the pipeline cuts through due to oil spillage.

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I have modified it.

jantavanta:
It would be better if you could please explain your own view point on how the Wikepedia article relates to the topic of discussion, before we have to read it verbatim.

I think you are trying to explain how proxy wars are financed and fought. It has been going on for 100 years.
The Bolsheviks & Communists & Nazis were financed & supported by Wall Street financial elite who wanted financial gain. It was a business venture.

WhiteTechnology:
Perfect

In fact you saw it deeper than me

GEJ should involve our higher institutions in weapons development through registered private arms companies.


But I will still recommend that the higher institutions are involved in design fabrication and testing


As for abuse of such privilege, the students involved in successful projects should be registered members of the security community employed as spies , military reserve etc to keep them busy until when they find jobs of their choice. And must remain members of the security community.



GANJAFARMER

What do you think.?

Ok, that's another way of ensuring that they do not go criminal.

You have a nice point though but how will you start this process with these numerous challenges at hand?

But again ,your point is a valid point and it can work out perfectly.

Mynd44:
Nigerians are hilarious. When America did it they said it was because of the anti-gay law forgetting that most of America's allies in the middle east don't support homosexuality.

We cannot be trusted with arms. The way our military give up their outpost to terrorists is ridiculously worrying.

How does a barrack get captured in one day? And when we say they government is complacent they blame everyone else except themselves.

It is even more worrying that this comment came up

So this is about the elections all along. If there was no elections they wont even bother more. I wonder why our military is just having them on the run too.

Crappy country with crappy leaders and even we the followers are crappy

Very intelligent post. God bless you.

cjrane:
[size=15pt]I completely believe this story is untrue and designed to leak Nigeria's source of arms procurement for it's military.

However, "If" Saudis refuse access over their airspace, they can always break the trip.

Fly from Pakistan to Dubai.
Then from Dubai, fly over the Indian ocean to avoid Saudi Arabia and then land at Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.
Then from Addis Ababa to Abuja, Nigeria.

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Then quietly deny Saudi Arabian airlines landing rights in Nigeria.


.Don't say i told you so...

Seriously u jst took it out of my mouth, if ds same news was "leaked" by saharareporters we wl sy dy lyk rubbishin d government-An issue ds sensitive n its ol in d news olredy. Before som1 shouts sabotage, who hs paid wt his job for all d past "sabotage" where somone is found culpable! D thing is the government doesnt manage information well. As they say "No b one road enter market", it also applies that "No b one road u go take comot for market". Simply put, if d Saudis are actin up for whatevr reason, what are other options you have. Like d geography lesson u jst gave them-must they fly over Saudi Arabia? The thing is Nigerians dnt care whether they are stuck in Bethlehem or Ajegunle-get d equipemnts in n get to work to end d needless bloodletting!

Mynd44:
When top government officials were busy slandering Islam you people cheered them on. You all walked around smiling while your leaders make silly statements about religion and it was okay to all of you abi?

I guess next the FG will blame Sauidi Arabia

what nonsense is this?

No10:
. The most logical comment thus far. You must have a very intelligent mind.

Thanks

Mynd44:
When top government officials were busy slandering Islam you people cheered them on. You all walked around smiling while your leaders make silly statements about religion and it was okay to all of you abi?

I guess next the FG will blame Sauidi Arabia

can any good ever come out of islam? can you see that even you dont want BH to end!!!! just to have GEJ look bad. well you all have already lost GEJ till 2019 or pack back to you sahara and have sharia.

Bokoharam ll hijack it

GANJAFARMER:
Ok, that's another way of ensuring that they do not go criminal.

You have a nice point though but how will you start this process with these numerous challenges at hand?

But again ,your point is a valid point and it can work out perfectly.

That's why GEJ must be firm in matters like this

To me, GEJ thinks everyone loves peace like him and seek the good of the nation like him

danjumakolo:
Reason from your brain dude.
All the killers like isis,bh are not representing the true Islam.They may quote and shout Islamic words,but you definitely know that is crazy and devilish.

Is reverend king a good xtian?How about Lord resistance army?How about gay pastors?How about pastors that engage in child abuse?...Here even though they proclaim bible,I dont think they are true xtian..Are they?

you have to accept the fact that they is something in Islam and the quaran that supports violence and in extension terrorism.
The crusaders clutched to and interpreted the old testament to suit their evil acts, but modern day christians are looking towards christ and the old testament.

One big problem is that...