What really does scriptures say about the rapture and when it will happen...Before or after the tribulation...

diverse views..!!
4rm when i was small,they told me b4 tribulation BUT i neva sure

I think it shuld b afta d election...

Resurrection/rapture happens on the LAST day. If after resurrection you have 7 years or 1000 years, then clearly that is not THE LAST DAY


John 6:40 King James Version (KJV)

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

efficiencie:
What really does scriptures say about the rapture and when it will happen...Before or after the tribulation...

There's no need for confusion, I think the bible is explicit enough about the timing of the resurrection and the rapture relative to the tribulation.

Matthew 24v29,31 -Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four wind, from one end of heaven to the other.

So there you have it; according to Jesus, the resurrection and the rapture will take place AFTER THE TRIBULATION.

Another scripture;

Revelation 20v4-5 -....and they lived and they reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again, until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

Can you see? The FIRST resurrection will take place at the beginning of the millenial reign which is after the tribulation.

So no dead in Christ will rise or be raptured until after the tribulation.

vooks:
Resurrection/rapture happens on the LAST day. If after resurrection you have 7 years or 1000 years, then clearly that is not THE LAST DAY


John 6:40 King James Version (KJV)

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

There are two resurrections, the resurrection of the just which takes place at the beginning of the millenial. And the resurrection of the unjust which takes place at the end of the millenial.

Rev 20v4-5 -...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection

teemanbastos:
diverse views..!!
4rm when i was small,they told me b4 tribulation BUT i neva sure

Yeah, I was told before too; and many still wrongly believe that.

But that's why its good to be berean with scripture, no matter what you're told. And scripture clearly said, the FIRST resurrection will take place at the beginning of the millenial -after the tribulation.

No resurrection or rapture before the tribulation -it is after.

I know about Revelation 20 paradox.
Fact is outside that chapter, and am not suggesting we ignore it, Resurrection is a singular event from the gospels,epistles all the way back to Daniel 12

ayoku777:


There are two resurrections, the resurrection of the just which takes place at the beginning of the millenial. And the resurrection of the unjust which takes place at the end of the millenial.

Rev 20v4-5 -...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection

vooks:
I know about Revelation 20 paradox.
Fact is outside that chapter, and am not suggesting we ignore it, Resurrection is a singular event from the gospels,epistles all the way back to Daniel 12

What do you mean paradox? Are you saying, the just and the unjust will resurrect at the same time? Don't talk in ambiguities.

I mean Rev 20 is the ONLY place of apparent multiple resurrections in the Bible. It basically is Rev 20 versus the rest of the 66 books.

The just and the unjust will resurrect at the same time

ayoku777:


What do you mean paradox? Are you saying, the just and the unjust will resurrect at the same time? Don't talk in ambiguities.

ayoku777:


Yeah, I was told before too; and many still wrongly believe that.

But that's why its good to be berean with scripture, no matter what you're told. And scripture clearly said, the FIRST resurrection will take place at the beginning of the millenial -after the tribulation.

No resurrection or rapture before the tribulation -it is after.

yap

vooks:
I mean Rev 20 is the ONLY place of apparent multiple resurrections in the Bible. It basically is Rev 20 versus the rest of the 66 books.

The just and the unjust will resurrect at the same time

Yeah other passages talked about resurrection of the just and the unjust but they didn't detail when each will happen.

No book also detailed the millenial reign of Christ, the casting of the Devil into the bottomless pit, and release after. Its also the only book that differentiates the lake of fire from hell.

Revelation detailed what other books didn't. There is a 1000year gap between the resurrection of the just and the unjust.

There is nothing paradoxical about that, it is as literal as it was expressed. We must learn to reconcile scriptures, unless we want to claim that some parts of it are not true.

And no book of the bible is "versus" another. They all complement each other.

On the contrary my broda, resurrection is quite detailed plus, who said 1000 years are necessarily literal?

Look at these verses

Daniel 12:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29 King James Version (KJV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Acts 24:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Quickly
1. Is there anything in Daniel to suggest multiple resurrections?
2. Do you honestly believe the 'hour' is interspersed with 1000 years within it?
3. Paul speaks of 'a resurrection'. Singular


PS: when the book details what is not found elsewhere, we welcome that. But when it details what has been repeated elsewhere, we can't ignore nor elevate it above the others. I want us to examine Rev 20 and see if it really talks of multiple resurrections

ayoku777:


Yeah other passages talked about resurrection of the just and the unjust but they didn't detail when each will happen.

No book also detailed the millenial reign of Christ, the casting of the Devil into the bottomless pit, and release after. Its also the only book that differentiates the lake of fire from hell.

Revelation detailed what other books didn't. There is a 1000year gap between the resurrection of the just and the unjust.

There is nothing paradoxical about that, it is as literal as it was expressed. We must learn to reconcile scriptures, unless we want to claim that some parts of it are not true.

vooks:
On the contrary my broda, resurrection is quite detailed plus, who said 1000 years are necessarily literal?

Look at these verses

Daniel 12:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29 King James Version (KJV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Acts 24:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Quickly
1. Is there anything in Daniel to suggest multiple resurrections?
2. Do you honestly believe the 'hour' is interspersed with 1000 years within it?
3. Paul speaks of 'a resurrection'. Singular

What are my saying, what are you saying?

Every scripture talked about two resurrection -one for the just and one for the unjust.

You said is there anything to suggest Daniel is talking of multiple resurrection? Well is there anything to suggest Revelation is talking of a single resurrection?

Will we have a FIRST resurrection, if there is no SECOND resurrection?

You assume 1000 years is not literal but "an hour" is, right?

Paul said "a resurrection" BOTH for the just and the unjust. So does that mean "THE BOTH" happened the same time?

Is the resurrection of Christ not the same type with our own, did it happen at same time.

Scriptures don't contradict eachother, they complement. Some scriptures talk about an event but don't detail how or when it will happen. While others talk about it and tell how.

Paul talked about the rapture but didn't tell when it will happen relative to the tribulation. But Jesus talked about the rapture and said it will happen after the tribulation.

You must learn to reconcile scripture with scripture, use the one that detailed timing and information to explain the one that didn't. Instead of saying one book or chapter is versus another book.

Daniel talks of a singular resurrection with different fates for the resurrectees

Look at John closely. AFTER the hour has come, the dead hear his voice and rise. Up to this point, the hour has come and resurrection has occurred. Next, is the fate of the reurrectees

Paul, a resurrection of the dead. One singular event emphasized by the article 'a'. And probably to preempt people like Frosbel who believe that the unjust won't resurrect, he tells us BOTH unjust and the just will resurrect. in all honesty and logic, can Paul call two distinct events a resurrection?

Scriptures don't contradict which is why am examining Revelation against EVERY other scripture on the subject.

You must learn to drop your biases when examining scriptures

ayoku777:


What are my saying, what are you saying?

Every scripture talked about two resurrection -one for the just and one for the unjust.

You said is there anything to suggest Daniel is talking of multiple resurrection? Well is there anything to suggest Revelation is talking of a single resurrection?

Will we have a FIRST resurrection, if there is no SECOND resurrection?

You assume 1000 years is not literal but "an hour" is, right?

Paul said "a resurrection" BOTH for the just and the unjust. So does that mean "THE BOTH" happened the same time?

Is the resurrection of Christ not the same type with our own, did it happen at same time.

Scriptures don't contradict eachother, they complement. Some scriptures talk about an event but don't detail how or when it will happen. While others talk about it and tell how.

Paul talked about the rapture but didn't tell when it will happen relative to the tribulation. But Jesus talked about the rapture and said it will happen after the tribulation.

You must learn to reconcile scripture with scripture, use the one that detailed timing and information to explain the one that didn't. Instead of saying one book or chapter is versus another book.

vooks:
Daniel talks of a singular resurrection with different fates for the resurrectees

Look at John closely. AFTER the hour has come, the dead hear his voice and rise.

Paul, a resurrection of both the just and the unjust. In all honesty and logic, can Paul call two distinct events a resurrection?

Scriptures don't contradict which is why am examining Revelation against EVERY other scripture on the subject.

That's exactly what I'm trying to do as well. I'm trying to show you how that the book of revelation detailed with precise information things that other books said in passing or in a generalized way.

Revelation is the most detailed book in end-time prophecy in the entire scriptures. It wrote with detailed precision information that other scriptures said with generalization.

Well since you're examining Revelation; examine and explain this:

Revelation 20v5 -THE REST OF THE DEAD LIVED NOT again until the thousand years were finished.

ayoku777:


There's no need for confusion, I think the bible is explicit enough about the timing of the resurrection and the rapture relative to the tribulation.

Matthew 24v29,31 -Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four wind, from one end of heaven to the other.

So there you have it; according to Jesus, the resurrection and the rapture will take place AFTER THE TRIBULATION.

Another scripture;

Revelation 20v4-5 -....and they lived and they reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again, until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

Can you see? The FIRST resurrection will take place at the beginning of the millenial reign which is after the tribulation.

So no dead in Christ will rise or be raptured until after the tribulation.

Where will the stars fall to?

AM still pondering my broda.

Revelation 20:4-6 King James Version (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

ayoku777:


That's exactly what I'm trying to do as well. I'm trying to show you how that the book of revelation detailed with precise information things that other books said in passing or in a generalized way.

Well since you're examining Revelation; examine and explain this:

Revelation 20v5 -THE REST OF THE DEAD LIVED NOT again until the thousand years were finished.

After the tribulation. The tribulation is now ending; in the finalest phases now.

Negroes are the Israelites of the Bible. The tribulations was the slave trade, colonialism, pestilences and diseases, and mental death.

Jeremiah 12:7
I have forsaken mine house, I have left mine heritage; I have given the dearly beloved of my soul into the hand of her enemies.

Jeremiah 49:12
For thus saith the Lord; Behold, they whose judgment was not to drink of the cup have assuredly drunken; and art thou he that shall altogether go unpunished? thou shalt not go unpunished, but thou shalt surely drink of it.

Bozrah is another name for Esau, Israel's brother. It is Esau's time now; when Christ returns for judgment; and the dead awaken.
Jeremiah 49:13
13 For I have sworn by myself, saith the Lord, that Bozrah shall become a desolation, a reproach, a waste, and a curse; and all the cities thereof shall be perpetual wastes.

This is so retard.ed that a response would be dignifying intellectual bankruptcy

MrPresident1:
After the tribulation. The tribulation is now ending; in the finalest phases now.

Negroes are the Israelites of the Bible. The tribulations was the slave trade, colonialism, pestilences and diseases, and mental death.

vooks:
This is so retard.ed that a response would be dignifying intellectual bankruptcy

Luke 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Hey Hey Hey Jesus is no longer coming back. There is nothing like a coming rapture. Your just wasting your time.

Pr0ton:
Hey Hey Hey Jesus is no longer coming back. There is nothing like a coming rapture. Your just wasting your time.

2Peter 3:3-4
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Pr0ton, just fear God: this is your salvation.

vooks:
. And probably to preempt people like Frosbel who believe that the unjust won't resurrect, he tells us BOTH unjust and the just will resurrect. in all honesty and logic, can Paul call two distinct events a resurrection?

What is this ignorant one saying ?

Please quote me where I stated ;

"the unjust won't resurrect,"

Didn't you say that karma means the wicked get their reward right here on earth?

This question was thrown at you

First let me start my questions from the your belief on hell fire.You sincerely believe that hell is a fabricated concept that was smuggled to keep some people in check. well my question is,if there no hell and eternal condemnation, what punishment should be melted out to those who sin and continually sin against God? what is the reward for the iniquity of those who died as enemies of the true GOD?

And here is your answer

People receive punishment for their actions in this life as is very evident from their experiences......When Paul talked about the wrath of God in Romans, he talked about it in the present tense, i.e it is being revealed, not that it will be revealed -Romans 1:18.......This is all karma on this earth.

https://www.nairaland.com/2060992/sincere-questions-frosbel/1#29199174

frosbel:


What is this ignorant one saying ?

Please quote me where I stated ;

"the unjust won't resurrect,"

vooks:
Didn't you say that karma means the wicked get their reward right here on earth?

This question was thrown at you


And here is your answer


https://www.nairaland.com/2060992/sincere-questions-frosbel/1#29199174

I never knew you were this DUMB, so how does what I said translate to the lack of a final resurrection and subsequent judgement ?

Think before you talk !

OK
So,what's the purpose of resurrection of the wicked?
You are saying there is no need of hellfire because they have had their reward on earth, and you gave examples of Hitler and Amin

frosbel:


I never knew you were this DUMB, so how does what I said translate to the lack of a final resurrection and subsequent judgement ?

Think before you talk !

@vooks
On what basis is someone declared righteous?
Would your answer imply that every other person is unrighteous?

Righteousness is a topic. For anyone exposed to Christ, that is faith in Christ, the rest is up to God

dorox:
@vooks
On what basis is someone declared righteous?
Would your answer imply that every other person is unrighteous?

MrPresident1:


2Peter 3:3-4
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Pr0ton, just fear God: this is your salvation.

Wow.. The obvious truth is Jesus lied in those verses.


And again, Peter was in the same generation Jesus was referring to, so his words hold no merit to explain away the failed prophecies.