tartar9:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that
the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)
said: Men will continue to question one another
till this is propounded: Allah created all things but
who created Allah? He who found himself
confronted with such a situation should seek the refuge of Allah from satan and say: I
affirm my faith in Allah.

You can only seek refuge from someone you KNOW is real. If you KNOW Allah exists, the identity of his parents is an irrelevant concern.

halix239:
what sort of silly thread did you just open re you high on weed or what,you can open other silly threads but not you dare question the existence of God. mind the type of threads you open, rubbish

I stand corrected,but i don't think the o.p questioned the existence of God.I think he's just been curious.Except we want to lie to ourselves,most of us have at one time or another asked the question "who created God"?

That said,i think it is best to think of God as "The Uncaused Cause".Because we are finite,we think that everything that exists must have come from somewhere;but not God.
He is called the "Alpha",because he is the beginning of all things.Bible says "All things were made by him & without him was not anything made that was made"...that includes time,space,choice,good,evil,satan-everything.Yet,not everything is of God.This may look contradictory,but it is not [explanations later,little character space left].

The point is,we cant know all abt God,not now...

I never thought I'll see two Christians arguing over evolution with the bible as a reference. Kudos guys!

DProDG:


I was hoping you saw my reply to a question on paranormal activities somewhere on this thread. It pretty much covers most of these so this will be brief.

1)I'm aware that people that believe it works practice it, I just don't think it has any effect on reality.

2)I've heard convincing accounts, but that's what they remain, accounts. I don't take such things at face value.

3)Depends on your definition. I consider surviving without the internet a miracle.

4)Just another myth.

5)Really complex scientific topic. Falls under quantum physics which one on truly understands...yet

6)It's generally accepted that an asteroid collision was the 'cause. I know a little about it, it sounds plausible and I have no reason to reject it.

7)It surprises me how anyone believes that story.

Natural process of reproduction.

9)Haven't read any of them. It's just another proof of the poor authorship and politics behind the bible.

10)I'm no philosopher but I think we all get to give our life meaning. If you think God's existence gives your meaning, great. I don't like the concept of a supreme being with human characteristics watching and judging me. Would make e feel like an experiment(this is not why I'm an atheist) but I understand people interpret it differently.

Hmm ... I'll reply later .. I dey blog now ... You go dey online now

KingEbukasBlog:


Hmm ... I'll reply later .. I dey blog now ... You go dey online now and Horus I see you ... here is my statement of result . Keep shut and drown in your ignorance next time

Your uniform looks familiar. Is that Christian Child Care, Owerri?

streetzdreamz:
bless u bro,read ur comments on d home page and I must say am impressed,the thing about this set of humans is likened or synonymous to drug,liquor,cigar,weed addicts,they know the truth but shuns it and tries to talk a sane being into falling into dia disgusting world,most atheist are guys who can't take d odds of lifes but'l rather blame it on God,concluding he doesn't exist,u can't expect to drive ur point home wen discussing with an atheist cuz dey know the truth already....

Lol, thanks... good points you raised too ... followed your comments and replies

KingEbukasBlog,when you say "pre-adamic creation",are you suggesting that there were men who existed before Adam? Please clarify,thnx.

DProDG:


Your uniform looks familiar. Is that Christian Child Care, Owerri?

nah ... Dority Int Sec Schl , Aba

Sheikwonder:
KingEbukasBlog,when you say "pre-adamic creation",are you suggesting that there were men who existed before Adam? Please clarify,thnx.

wow , I already did that page 14 of this thread .. that should be .. the last post

DProDG:


1. After reading that excellent display of ignorance, this is honestly the best thing I can do for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

2. That's the definition of 'ruling science out'. You contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

PS. I'm going to try to be polite to you and ask you to please read a little from the link I posted. Also, your assertions on guess work in science was really ****, that was the reason I gave blunt 'no's to most of your questions. I'm sorry but I won't reply you till you've educated yourself more on the topics.

excellent display of ignorance,yea u r right,told ya earlier science aint d answer to everything,ma own knowledge of d big bang was what I was taught n what i didn't further to seek answers to cuz t doesn't appeal to me in anyway,we av diff views and ways of interpreting issues,ur link didn't state much other than d expansion of some universe,which sounds really silly to me,I never said anything contradictory,I said am nt ruling science out,cuz of some dev dats visible like fossil studies e.t.c, and am nt worshiping science either as t can't give me answers to some questions,what's contradictory there? Seems u lack comprehension skills......u still beating around d bush,what makes scientific analysis and conclusions I earlier mentioned facts and nt guess works? U said no,without any proof and am supposed to give u a thumbs up,yes? Duh!!yea right I'l appreciate it if u quit quoting me as u can't give answers to ma questions.
Ps:won't reply u nomore.

KingEbukasBlog:


wow , I already did that page 14 of this thread .. that should be .. the last post

I saw the post,and you kept referring to a deluge that lucifer and his hosts were involved in.My question is simple:was Adam the 1st man God made,or were they others before him,i.e "Pre-adamic men"? Just a yes or no will suffice,thnx.

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol, thanks... good points you raised too ... followed your comments and replies

yea right.

Sheikwonder:


I saw the post,and you kept referring to a deluge that lucifer and his hosts were involved in.My question is simple:was Adam the 1st man God made,or were they others before him,i.e "Pre-adamic men"? Just a yes or no will suffice,thnx.

Yes

KingEbukasBlog:


LOL Its hilarious to see how people believe nothing can create something so insanely complex as life, the cosmos, CONSCIOUSNESS, A CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM, DNA OH WAIT TO A POINT WHERE EVERYTHING IN LIFE AND THE UNIVERSE IS EVEN SYMMETRICAL?! You expect me to believe nothing created that? LOL I don't have enough faith to think millions of accidents just took place at the right time. Of course there is a Creator.

You all are not even afraid of d king of kings d one who has d power to kill & make alive. Romas 9:20-22.Has smth for all of u.Rmber d sin of blasphemy can't be foggiven be warned n beware.

KingEbukasBlog:


Yes

In that case,i disagree with you.Pre-adamic creation fails to account for the problem of sin.
The bible makes it clear that through one man [adam],sin came into the world and through another [jesus],there is salvation.
If sin through pre-adamic man had existed before adam,then it made no sense to punish adam for eating the forbidden fruit.Also it would make the word of God untrue.So except the pre-adamic creatures were not "men",i disagree with your assertions.

uwaifo1234:
You all are not even afraid of d king of kings d one who has d power to kill & make alive. Romas 9:20-22.Has smth for all of u.Rmber d sin of blasphemy can't be foggiven be warned n beware.

Hmmm ... I just defended my belief in God Almighty ...

Sheikwonder:


In that case,i disagree with you.Pre-adamic creation fails to account for the problem of sin.
The bible makes it clear that through one man [adam],sin came into the world and through another [jesus],there is salvation.
If sin through pre-adamic man had existed before adam,then it made no sense to punish adam for eating the forbidden fruit.Also it would make the word of God untrue.So except the pre-adamic creatures were not "men",i disagree with your assertions.

Please re-read the post and understand what I meant oo . I don't get where you are coming from . Don't force words into my mouth

GOD does not need to come from anywhere because HE is EVERYWHERE!

okikiolajerry:
GOD does not need to come from anywhere because HE is EVERYWHERE!

Biblical evidence, please.

KingEbukasBlog:


Please re-read the post and understand what I meant oo . I don't get where you are coming from . Don't force words into my mouth

Quite simply,your theory of pre-adamic creation is an error.

timonski:

Biblical evidence, please.

Rev 22 : 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Sheikwonder:


Quite simply,your theory of pre-adamic creation is an error.

kai ... with all the biblical proof ... You asking me as if I was there . If you need extra attention on the pre-adamic/antechaotic period quickly point out the areas from my post .I'll explain , maybe with more bible verses in relation to the areas pointed out . Mbok

KingEbukasBlog:


kai ... with all the biblical proof ... You asking me as if I was there . If you need extra attention on the pre-adamic/antechaotic period quickly point out the areas from my post .I'll explain , maybe with more bible verses in relation to the areas pointed out . Mbok

that the Curse of death in the created world was not the result of Adam’s sin, as Genesis 3 states. If pre-Adamite creatures were living and dying for hundreds of thousands/millions of years before Adam, then the connection is lost between the first Adam, who brought physical death into the world, and the last Adam (the Lord Jesus Christ), who brought physical resurrection from the dead ( 1 Corinthians 15:22, 45). 12As Adam was federal head of the entire creation, his Fall affected everything else ( Romans 8:20–22). The fact is that, Biblically, all physical death has occurred since Adam’s Fall, not before...

mmsen:


All gods have the same origins - the imagination of man.

and the same imagination of man created man? and this same man have the ability to imagine!!

you wise die!!

KingEbuka,my point is this.If adam was not the 1st man,even after God had said in Genesis 2 vs 7 that "he formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", or when adam named the woman 'eve' because "she was the mother of all living",then the bible contradicts itself.I also stated earlier that the problem of sin negates pre-adamic creation.I hope you get me.

Sheikwonder:


that the Curse of death in the created world was not the result of Adam’s sin, as Genesis 3 states. If pre-Adamite creatures were living and dying for hundreds of thousands/millions of years before Adam, then the connection is lost between the first Adam, who brought physical death into the world, and the last Adam (the Lord Jesus Christ), who brought physical resurrection from the dead ( 1 Corinthians 15:22, 45). 12As Adam was federal head of the entire creation, his Fall affected everything else ( Romans 8:20–22). The fact is that, Biblically, all physical death has occurred since Adam’s Fall, not before...

After the second/young/new earth which was God's second plan for humanity was tampered with after man's sin of disobedience through Lucifer's temptation . Our dear Lord Jesus came to redeem man from sin as seen in John 3 : 16 . You see , evolutionists use fossils as an evidence of evolution . But nah , they are pre-adamic creations , they did not evolve to what we have presently . Fossils are proofs that the was actually the antechaotic age , they are pre-adamic creations .

You cannot understand God for we are humans and things of the spirit are hidden from us as seen in Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.

I only know little .. this comes from God's given gift of analysis and deduction

KingEbukasBlog:

Rev 22 : 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

And how does that translate to been everywhere?

many know the truth but never want to accept it. many just want to make ridicule of themselves, a few claim to be wise because they are too proud to worship The Creator.

my own word; we are in the last days, the grace is still sufficient for all.
are you prepared to be left behind and endure a lawless dark world with no firmament? oh yeah, the Owner of the sun and clouds will surely take away his glory
no arguments please, just ponder.

Sheikwonder:
KingEbuka,my point is this.If adam was not the 1st man,even after God had said in Genesis 2 vs 7 that "he formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", or when adam named the woman 'eve' because "she was the mother of all living",then the bible contradicts itself.I also stated earlier that the problem of sin negates pre-adamic creation.I hope you get me.

Simply ... I go to the market with three baskets -brown, yellow and green . I then buy apples and oranges . Each type of fruit , I put in a different basket . I choose to put the apple in the green basket and orange in the yellow basket . How will I let someone know what Ive done. I'd say check that yellow basket for oranges and green basket for apples . I then place both baskets in the brown basket

That same way , we are in God's green or yellow basket but inside his brown basket . Everything we needed to know for our own existence , He gave us . We don't actually need to know what happened in the gap theory - between Genesis 1 : 1 and Genesis 1 : 2.

In the brown basket , the oranges in the yellow basket has no business with the apples in the green basket for they have been differentiated even though you looking at it know which is .

Conclusion :Eve was mother of all living as regards to the second/young/new earth we have no business with whoever was the mother of the living in the old earth . We have been given our own laws and evidence of existence though both periods occur(because we are still living) in the same earth (brown basket) for they(green and yellow basket) have been differentiated

GerogeI:
A little detour for the Evolutionist and Creationists in the House:

Each time you try to bring up evolution as source of creation of carbon based beings please note the following:

1. Evolution and its proofs only reference the mechanisms of variation and change (i.e gene mutation, variation, use and disuse, survival of the fittest, etc.)

2. Evolution does not scientifically answer the question of the origin of what ever was being evolved. Which is the most crucial of any creation story.

3. In essence evolution is just an optimization process with particular objectives of diversity and survival. The open question of origin of the seed specie leaves a lot of room for GOD. Yes GOD is implied in the so called "Evolution"!!!

4. I am sure if you see evolution in the bible, you will not expect it to be called "evolution" rather a description.

5. So I take you to the book of Genesis 1: 20

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

People like to read this verse too fast, however what this verse say is that God caused or induced the water to bring forth water dwelling life form according to their kinds. In a shorter form- God caused the waters to evolve life forms of variety (evolution does not occur on its own, it needs a driver)

7. Again I take you to Genesis 1:24

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Again God caused the land to evolve creatures that live on land. That is both Seeding and Evolution

8. There is another evidence of evolution in the second chapter of the Book of Genesis: 2:19-20

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

The story here is that God evolved one animal into another in a bid to satisfy Adams need for companionship (no wonder dogs seem to have been made for man). When he could not satisfy Adam, he evolved him into a male and a female. Since, he could only love himself.


Bottom line:
To evolutionists: There is a huge gap in evolution theory that as far as we know for now, can only be filled by GOD

To Creationists: Read your bible, evolution is not a mantra, but an optimization process which GOD used as well, so it is real but did not start from some accidental tadpole. Infact the only thing GOD sat down to mould is Man, the rest he caused to evolve.

2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Kindly note that the reference to dust is likely a reference to same carbon based material of which other organisms where made. Hence the similarities. But he put in an alien nature as well - different from every other thing we know. Hence our biological similarity to other organisms, yet amazingly outstripping capabilities. Evolution does not exclude GOD!

God of the gaps.

dubemivan:
I will liken the answer to your question as one trying to gather water into a basket! It is an effort in futility trying to know and understand the origin of OMNISCIENCE and OMNIPOTENT GOD with your little, limited and myopic human brian!
This question actually came to your mind by the DEvil because no sane man should abandon the use of his brain to think on the WORD and seek how to please GOD to trying to answer this foolish question that will not in any way impact or help you life!
I beseech everyone here to desist from pondering on this thread to get answers because the result will be confusion and fatal madness! Remember what happened to Lucifer when he thought about usurping the throne of GOD, you know the outcome of it. Now this same Devil is imputing this devilish thought in people so as to make them go astray and attract GOD'S wrath! becareful what you think and what you say... thank you!

Your God obviously doesn't like being asked questions. I daresay your God Is a dictator.

oluamid:



Your God obviously doesn't like being asked questions. I daresay your God Is a dictator.

... and science still doesn't and won't provide answers to mysterious events in life