gatiano:
ok, shigidi

Hallucinating baboon.. Is that the language Louis Farrankan taught you When you woke up from your other hallucinations... oloriburuku bastard like you .!!

alagidi in forgetful mode.

GooseBaba:


Hallucinating baboon.. Is that the language Louis Farrankan taught you When you woke up from your other hallucinations... oloriburuku bastard like you .!!

gatiano:
alagidi in forgetful mode.

Oloriburuku omo ale on hallucinating mode...

oluamid:



It isn't "ultimately stupid to say God does not exist" if there are no evidences to the contrary.

There are posts in this thread that have already dealt with the issues of evolution, big bang theory, existence of God, Science and religion. No need reinventing the wheel going over it again.

My submission can be summarised thus: there are no concrete evidences of God's existence outside the "holy books" written by men. If God exists, then he should reveal himself in an unambiguous way. Relying on man's interpretation of God is essentially flawed since man is easily influenced.

Man created God in man's image and not the other way round...until proven otherwise with verifiable "facts" and not conjectures or philosophy.

Dude where would you say you came from.

Where would you say life as we know it came from.

You study science and you read a host of laws and see how everything in nature is in perfect balance. Those things couldnt have come by chance could it?

I mean you see a beautiful engineering architecture and you readily conclude that someone must have put them there. Why is it any different for the intricate designs of nature you see.

I just think you submission is just a cheap excuse for not wanting to be answerable. But you know what? You are just like an ostrich. Stick your head in the sand and hope the danger passes. But hey, your whole behind is out exposed.

mmsen:


The fact that your English is not up to scratch is probably the reason why you fail to fully understand the dogma that you hide behind.

The whole god = good, satan = evil is the most childish fairy tale that I have ever heard.

Interesting!

And I suppose holding on to the fact that there is no God is the most noble of ideas.

Well here is something for your fickle brain.

The internet through which you are able to post your thoughts did not just appear out of nothing. Something was responsible for it. And you can readily admit that the internet was borne out of man's intelligence. Who put that capacity for intelligence there. Oh maybe it came by chance. Ok maybe life as we have it came by chance too. Or the big bang. Yes! That just suddenly happened out of nothing right? ANd then out of it came a primordial soup that just swigged around and formed all the stuff we see today.

Well dude, that has got to be the greates bullshiit I've heard. And its no surprise you believe it.

Seriously? The creationists are back?

Ganoderma:


Dude where would you say you came from.

Where would you say life as we know it came from.

You study science and you read a host of laws and see how everything in nature is in perfect balance. Those things couldnt have come by chance could it?

I mean you see a beautiful engineering architecture and you readily conclude that someone must have put them there. Why is it any different for the intricate designs of nature you see.

I just think you submission is just a cheap excuse for not wanting to be answerable. But you know what? You are just like an ostrich. Stick your head in the sand and hope the danger passes. But hey, your whole behind is out exposed.

Going by your reasoning I could throw back your question at you and ask like the OP did: WHERE DID GOD COME FROM?

If I agree God exists and he created everything because something cannot come out of nothing, then you should also tell me who created God. By your logic, It follows that for something to exist it must have been created by someone. Then God too must have a creator and so on.

The logic does not hold. Except you bring faith into it.

oluamid:


Going by your reasoning I could throw back your question at you and ask like the OP did: WHERE DID GOD COME FROM?

If I agree God exists and he created everything because something cannot come out of nothing, then you should also tell me who created God. By your logic, It follows that for something to exist it must have been created by someone. Then God too must have a creator and so on.

The logic does not hold. Except you bring faith into it.

And what is wrong with Faith?

The bible says God had no beginning. As unfathomable as that may sound, we accept it by faith, because there is so much we don't know about God, except the things he has revealed to us. If he chooses not reveal his beginning to us yet, we just have to accept it by faith.

It takes an even greater amount of faith to believe that he doesn't exist. There are too many things in life that counters that belief.

Ganoderma:


And what is wrong with Faith?

The bible says God had no beginning. As unfathomable as that may sound, we accept it by faith, because there is so much we don't know about God, except the things he has revealed to us. If he chooses not reveal his beginning to us yet, we just have to accept it by faith.

It takes an even greater amount of faith to believe that he doesn't exist. There are too many things in life that counters that belief.

The Bible says God has no beginning. Is that what the God told the white people to tell me? Where have you seen aliens talk to white people in real life?

The God has revealed nothing to you yourself, but you believe that he revealed something to some now dead white people. And they wrote it down.

SMH.

Looking at a bicycle and calling it an Audi is not considered an act of faith. At least to me. Faith is based on evidence, like prior observations. Unless you can show me that this God talks to people, the bible is just another gimmick.

Weah96:


The Bible says God has no beginning. Is that what the God told the white people to tell me? Where have you seen aliens talk to white people in real life?

The God has revealed nothing to you yourself, but you believe that he revealed something to some now dead white people. And they wrote it down.

SMH.

Looking at a bicycle and calling it an Audi is not considered an act of faith. At least to me. Faith is based on evidence, like prior observations. Unless you can show me that this God talks to people, the bible is just another gimmick.

Prior Observation! Let me ask Observation of what?

The Earth revolves round the Sun for approx 365 days give or take 1 day.

The Earth spins on its axis for exactly 24 hours. And it has done that since forever. It has never changed. Have you ever wondered what powers the Sun that it never goes out. The Earth is in constant state of motion. What propels the Earth? What fuels it that it has never stopped for once?

The magnetic shield on the Earths surface has never disintegrated despite the Sun's unrelenting nuclear barrage. Who put that shield there?

You are able to board a heavy aircraft that relies on specific laws of gravity and motion to stay put in the air. It consistently stays in the air because those laws are constant. Who put those laws there.

You studied in Geography that the moons magnetic pull on the earth is responsible for the ocean tides. Who put the moon there? Where does it get its magnetic force from?

Man is able to launch a satellite into space and accurately calculate which orbit it needs to be to fully function and they have never missed it. The satellites stay in orbit and never disappear unless there is a malfunction from the satellite itself. Who made that possible.

Do you want me to continue?

Could all of this things come just by blind chance with all the precision and purposefulness. I have not even quoted on single portion of the bible and yet I can still bring up all of these.

It would take the greatest magnitude of self-denial to maintain that God does not exist. Deep down within you, you know that this denial is all a farce. And I find it really comical, the way you so passionately PRETEND that you really believe there is no God. Too bad for you your life has no direction. It must be a life of misery.

Ganoderma:


Prior Observation! Let me ask Observation of what?

The Earth revolves round the Sun for approx 365 days give or take 1 day.

The Earth spins on its axis for exactly 24 hours. And it has done that since forever. It has never changed. Have you ever wondered what powers the Sun that it never goes out. The Earth is in constant state of motion. What propels the Earth? What fuels it that it has never stopped for once?

The magnetic shield on the Earths surface has never disintegrated despite the Sun's unrelenting nuclear barrage. Who put that shield there?

You are able to board a heavy aircraft that relies on specific laws of gravity and motion to stay put in the air. It consistently stays in the air because those laws are constant. Who put those laws there.

You studied in Geography that the moons magnetic pull on the earth is responsible for the ocean tides. Who put the moon there? Where does it get its magnetic force from?

Man is able to launch a satellite into space and accurately calculate which orbit it needs to be to fully function and they have never missed it. The satellites stay in orbit and never disappear unless there is a malfunction from the satellite itself. Who made that possible.

Do you want me to continue?

Could all of this things come just by blind chance with all the precision and purposefulness. I have not even quoted on single portion of the bible and yet I can still bring up all of these.

It would take the greatest magnitude of self-denial to maintain that God does not exist. Deep down within you, you know that this denial is all a farce. And I find it really comical, the way you so passionately PRETEND that you really believe there is no God. Too bad for you your life has no direction. It must be a life of misery.

In other words..."I do not know, therefore...God"?

Ganoderma:


Prior Observation! Let me ask Observation of what?

The Earth revolves round the Sun for approx 365 days give or take 1 day.

The Earth spins on its axis for exactly 24 hours. And it has done that since forever. It has never changed. Have you ever wondered what powers the Sun that it never goes out. The Earth is in constant state of motion. What propels the Earth? What fuels it that it has never stopped for once?

The magnetic shield on the Earths surface has never disintegrated despite the Sun's unrelenting nuclear barrage. Who put that shield there?

You are able to board a heavy aircraft that relies on specific laws of gravity and motion to stay put in the air. It consistently stays in the air because those laws are constant. Who put those laws there.

You studied in Geography that the moons magnetic pull on the earth is responsible for the ocean tides. Who put the moon there? Where does it get its magnetic force from?

Man is able to launch a satellite into space and accurately calculate which orbit it needs to be to fully function and they have never missed it. The satellites stay in orbit and never disappear unless there is a malfunction from the satellite itself. Who made that possible.

Do you want me to continue?

Could all of this things come just by blind chance with all the precision and purposefulness. I have not even quoted on single portion of the bible and yet I can still bring up all of these.

It would take the greatest magnitude of self-denial to maintain that God does not exist. Deep down within you, you know that this denial is all a farce. And I find it really comical, the way you so passionately PRETEND that you really believe there is no God. Too bad for you your life has no direction. It must be a life of misery.

You're arguing like a child and running around in circles. So it was the bible God who arranged everything? How do you know that? Did he tell you this himself, or did he tell a white man (according to the white man), to tell you this?

Weah96:


You're arguing like a child and running around in circles. So it was the bible God who arranged everything? How do you know that? Did he tell you this himself, or did he tell a white man (according to the white man), to tell you this?

Ok! So tell me what do you beleive

Him alone knows. He is the God of mysteries

Ganoderma:


Ok! So tell me what do you beleive

My own lying eyes and ears. Just like your biblical Thomas.

On a more serious note, I believe that mother Nature created everything. Don't ask me how, unless you expect me to fabricate answers like the bible.

Weah96:


My own lying eyes and ears. Just like your biblical Thomas.

On a more serious note, I believe that mother Nature created everything. Don't ask me how, unless you expect me to fabricate answers like the bible.

So who is mother Nature and who created her?

And what is the basis of that belief?

Ganoderma:


So who is mother Nature and who created her?

And what is the basis of that belief?

Why would you ask me who created Nature, when you will later tell me that the bible God is uncreated? Did I not just tell you that Nature, based on observation, is GOD?

Weah96:


Why would you ask me who created Nature, when you will later tell me that the bible God is uncreated? Did I not just tell you that Nature, based on observation, is GOD?

SO what exactly are you driving at?

I mean you are pretty much chasing your own tail.

oluamid:


Can you discuss the subject without quotes from the Koran, please?

Why, you may ask. The reason is: I don't expect the Koran to contradict itself and say there's no God. Secondly, the Koran was written by humans. To believe it's content, I have to believe (faith) that it was inspired by God. Problem is I don't believe there is a "God', so how can I have faith in what I don't believe in?

I need concrete evidence about God's existence and not just quotes from the Koran.

After all, if there is a God what is the probability that Allah is the right one and not Jehovah, Krishna, Buddha, Obatala or any of the other God/gods known to man?

Thanks for your question

Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people. Muslims believe in One, Unique, Incomparable God (called Allah in Arabic); in the Angels created by Him; ; in the Angels created by Him; in the prophets through whom His revelation were brought to mankind; in the Day of Judgement and individual accountability for actions; in God’s complete authority over human destiny and in life after death. Muslims believe in a chain of prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the Baptist, and Jesus, peace be upon them. But God’s final message to man, a reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing-up of all that has gone before was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) through Angel Gabriel.
Most religions would equate Ultimate Reality with the Creator; those who deny the existence of God would call the Ultimate Reality nature or primordial energy or something of the kind.

There is no doubt that we humans have only limited powers of reasoning and comprehension. But, from the point of view of scientists, we have enough brain power to comprehend reality, and religions base their beliefs upon faithful acceptance of revealed truth that exceeds our common understanding.

Judging from the order discernible in the world around us — from the minutest atom to the colossal galaxies — we cannot rule out the existence of a super designer, who created and organized everything in due proportion:

{Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of humankind; in the rain which Allah sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- Here indeed are signs for a people who are wise.} (Al-Baqarah 2:164)

Thus, we see that the Ultimate Reality according to Islam is God (Allah in Arabic), the Creator, Sustainer, and Law-Giver of the universe.

The Quran says what means:

{He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent: and He has full knowledge of all things.} (Al-Hadid 57:3)

{And verily, it is We Who give life, and Who give death: it is We Who remain inheritors after all else passes away.} (Al-Hijr 15:23)

The above verses clearly point to the fact that God is the Ultimate Reality, and all other things we see as existent have only a transient existence, which they owe to the Ultimate Reality. And as free and responsible beings, our ultimate concern must be to have undiluted and total faith in the Ultimate Reality.

To quote the German-American theologian Paul Tillich (1886–1965), our faith ought to be "a cognitive affirmation of the transcendent nature of Ultimate Reality. This is achieved, not simply by a process of intellectual inquiry, but by an act of acceptance and surrender." (Paul Tillich, Dynamics of Faith. New York: Harper & Row, 1957)

In Islamic parlance, faith must be based on strong conviction as well as unconditional submission to Allah Almighty. Conviction is possible when faith is compatible with reason.

In Islam, there is no conflict between faith and reason; rather, faith complements reason and vice versa. And both faith and reason derive their validity from the Ultimate Reality.

Islam and the World

The world from the point of view of Islam is Allah's creation, and so it had a beginning and it will have an end. The world is made up of matter and it exists in the space-time continuum as Einstein called it.

We humans have been created as Allah's vicegerents on earth, and so we are permitted to use the blessings of the world for our own benefit, but only with responsibility. Allah says in the Quran what means,

{It is He Who has created for you all things that are on earth} (Al-Baqarah 2:29)

{Know you that the life of this world is but play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying, in rivalry among yourselves, riches and children. Here is a similitude: How rain and the growth which it brings forth, delight the hearts of the tillers; soon it withers; you will see it grow yellow; then it becomes dry and crumbles away. But in the hereafter is a penalty severe for the devotees of wrong. And forgiveness from Allah and His good pleasure for the devotees of Allah. And what is the life of this world, but goods and chattels of deception?} (Al-Hadid 57:20)

As evidenced by the above verses, Islam attaches little value to this world and its allurements as opposed to the eternal world of happiness prepared in the hereafter for those who believe and do good.

All the same, this world has its importance as the tilth for the hereafter. So anyone who seeks the blessings of the hereafter should work for it in this world, even by making good use of its provisions:

{But seek, with the wealth which Allah has bestowed on you, the Home of the hereafter, nor forget your portion in this world: but do you good, as Allah has been good to you, and seek not occasions for mischief in the land: for Allah loves not those who do mischief.} (Al-Qasas 28:77)

The above verse about this world clearly underscore the middle course, or the path of moderation, that Islam designates for its adherents. Because of this, Muslims are advised to pray:

{Our Lord, give us good in this world and good in the hereafter and defend us from the torment of the Fire} (Al-Baqarah 2:201)

Humanity

Allah tells us in the noble Quran about the creation of humans,

{Behold, your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said, "Will You place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Your praises and glorify Your holy (name)?" He said, "I know what you know not."

And He taught Adam the nature of all things; then He placed them before the angels and said, "Tell me the nature of these if you are right."

They said, "Glory to You, of knowledge We have none, save what You have taught us: In truth, it is You Who are perfect in knowledge and wisdom."

He said, "O Adam, tell them their natures." When he had told them, Allah said, "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what you reveal and what you conceal?"

And behold, We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis. He refused and was haughty. He was of those who reject Faith.} (Al-Baqarah 2:30–34)

The above verses mean that the role of humans on earth as decreed by Allah Almighty is that of a khalifah (i.e., a vicegerent). In order to fulfill their role as vicegerents, humans are given all the required faculties. They are given special qualities that make them competent to be Allah's vicegerents. This means that humans possess powers of intelligence, imagination, critical faculty, memory, and so on. It is these qualities that make humans superior to all other creatures of Allah.

One of Allah's most important spiritual gifts to humans is their free will, which makes them unique among Allah's creation. This implies that humans can rise spiritually to become angels or plunge to the depths to become "the lowest of the low":

{We have indeed created man in the best of moulds, then do We abase him (to be) the lowest of the low,- except such as believe and do righteous deeds} (At-Tin 95:4–6)

Just as we have a lot of creative potential (the best of moulds), we have a latent tendency for evil (the lowest of the low) that often drives us to lead a precarious existence that militates against our very survival on the planet.

We need not forget that Allah the All-Merciful has bestowed on humans a self-transcending nature that enables them to critically evaluate themselves and find meaning in their existence. Through His prophets, Allah has also sent humans His guidance, by means of which they can raise themselves to the level of angels or they can plunge to the level of the lowest of the low. The choice is theirs.

neoapocalypse:


The last time I tried this with Reyginus , thinking he was rational , he kept dancing in circles never giving me direct straight to the point answers but expecting me to give straight forward answers. You can check threads where such issues are discussed and please yourself

You called me..

Johnysky:

lolzz this guy believes nothing can come out of nothing, but yet again he believes his God (a sky man) just came out of nothing, then magically created everything out of nothing... Imagine the irony..

Fifth Truth – Claim 5:
Hebrews 11:3 enlightens, “By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.”[size=12pt][/size]

Science came to this realization when the atom was discovered. Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements. Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes. Atoms are the basic building blocks of matter that make up everyday objects. A desk, the air, even you are made up of atoms! There are 90 naturally occurring kinds of atoms. Scientists in labs have been able to make about 25 more.

http://education.jlab.org/atomtour/
& http://education.jlab.org/atomtour/listofparticles.html

I would like to add what you shared with me on skype, too:
Atoms are the building blocks of elements, elements are the building blocks of molecules, molecules form chemicals; chemicals combine to form compounds, compounds combine to form cells. Cells combine to form organs, organs combine to form systems; systems combine to form an organism.

The invisible is turned into the visible. This mystery is a showcase of the Invisible God who created the visible (matter/man) from invisible things. How awesome He is!

To the atheists, enjoy!

>>> copied from https://www.nairaland.com/2320024/only-fool-say <<<

Weah96:


My own lying eyes and ears. Just like your biblical Thomas.

On a more serious note, I believe that mother Nature created everything. Don't ask me how, unless you expect me to fabricate answers like the bible.

[size=14pt]Go ahead and fabricate , but even if the Bible was "fabricated", SCIENCE has proved the fabrication to be true! I will cite a 3,500 year old Bible "fabrication", which was proven as very true as RECENT as 2014![/size]

A battered diamond that survived a trip from “hell” confirms a long-held theory: Earth’s mantle holds an ocean’s worth of water.
“It’s actually the confirmation that there is a very, very large amount of water that’s trapped in a really distinct layer in the deep Earth,” said Graham Pearson, lead study author and a geochemist at the University of Alberta in Canada. The findings were published recently (March 12, 2014) in the journal Nature (see reference below).

Job 38:30 says, “The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.” Written over 3,500 years ago.
Science just caught up in 2014 – “Rare Diamond Confirms That Earth’s Mantle Holds an Ocean’s Worth of Water: The diamond contains ringwoodite, which is water-rich but only forms naturally under the extreme pressure found in Earth’s mantle”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rare-diamond-confirms-that-earths-mantle-holds-an-oceans-worth-of-water/

[size=18pt]When did your Geochemistry teach that 10, 20, 50 years ago?[/size]
Sorry, no Geology professor ever knew!

Taken from "Third Truth – Claim 3:"
http://brotherjohn.org/only-a-fool-will-say-there-is-no-god/

oluamid:


Going by your reasoning I could throw back your question at you and ask like the OP did: WHERE DID GOD COME FROM?

If I agree God exists and he created everything because something cannot come out of nothing, then you should also tell me who created God. By your logic, It follows that for something to exist it must have been created by someone. Then God too must have a creator and so on.

The logic does not hold. Except you bring faith into it.

God is Uncaused...

Weah96:


The Bible says God has no beginning. Is that what the God told the white people to tell me? Where have you seen aliens talk to white people in real life?

The God has revealed nothing to you yourself, but you believe that he revealed something to some now dead white people. And they wrote it down.

SMH.

Looking at a bicycle and calling it an Audi is not considered an act of faith. At least to me. Faith is based on evidence, like prior observations. Unless you can show me that this God talks to people, the bible is just another gimmick.

Should God talk to you, You'd probably misunderstand... Actually most definitely you would..\

Weah96:


Why would you ask me who created Nature, when you will later tell me that the bible God is uncreated? Did I not just tell you that Nature, based on observation, is GOD?

This is the greatest level of Confusion I have seen in my entire life. I bet you did not read deep meaning into this..

BossTtdiamonds:


Should God talk to you, You'd probably misunderstand... Actually most definitely you would..\

Does he have problem with communication?

Weah96:


Does he have problem with communication?

No, you do have a problem with understanding as well as always mixing things up (confusing things)....

BossTtdiamonds:


No, you do have a problem with understanding as well as always mixing things up (confusing things)....

So whose fault is it? According to you, the God you worship was my custom designer. He customized me to misunderstand you guys.

BossTtdiamonds:


God is Uncaused...

Care to explain the above?

Weah96:


So whose fault is it? According to you, the God you worship was my custom designer. He customized me to misunderstand you guys.

According to me?? What about according to you??
According to me, God gave you choice to decide which path you tread; but you chose the part of confusion. God didn't customize you to misunderstand, you chose to install the software of confusion into your system the day you subscribed to the tenets of what's outside your original configuration.

I hope you've noticed the flaw in your "According to me(You) premise"...

oluamid:


Care to explain the above?

How do you want me to explain it so you can understand?
This is not a derogatory statement, I mean/meant every word in the above question.

BossTtdiamonds:


How do you want me to explain it so you can understand?
This is not a derogatory statement, I mean/meant every word in the above question.

In plain English.