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Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by morpheus24: 8:13pm On Apr 15, 2015
samtol4:
SA government now finding way to pacify the local looters

What are they doing, passing out free government checks??
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by morpheus24: 8:22pm On Apr 15, 2015
Great article. I have been echoing this all along

The attacks on migrant shop owners in Durban this week reminds us the position of foreigner in South Africa is a complex one. After decades of isolation from the rest of the African continent, and the world, during apartheid, South Africa finally opened up to the rest of world in 1994.

Under apartheid, South Africa’s immigration mirrored the narrow mindedness and prejudice of the National Party. Several laws made visiting or living in South Africa unpalatable to many. Particularly those of non-European descent.

At the dawn of the “new South Africa” in 1994, the country became home to many outsiders playing a key role in offering protection and refuge to people who had suffered unfavorable conditions in their home countries.


At the heart of South Africa’s complex problem with xenophobia is the loaded meaning of the term “foreigner.” Pejoratively, the term “foreigner” in South Africa usually refers to African and Asian non-nationals.

“Other” foreigners—particularly those from the Americas and Europe go unnoticed—they are often lumped up with “tourists,” or even better, referred to as “expats.”

It is this reason why the South African government says its hesitant to call the recent attacks on foreign nationals as xenophobic.



Is it “Afrophobia” or xenophobia?

Many South Africans look at the attacks on enterprising African immigrants from Somalia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Mozambique, Nigeria and Malawi—often running shops, stalls and other businesses in the informal economy—and resolve that the current attacks on foreigners are more afrophobic, than xenophobic.



Many ask: “Why is it that a Somali man can run a shop in a township, get raided and beaten up, while a white immigrant in town continues to run a restaurant full of patrons?”



It is this delineation that breeds ground for denial.


While this sentiment may be correct—that the violent expression of xenophobia in South Africa is meted out mainly against African immigrants – it is unhelpful to resolve the crisis that has left many foreign nationals homeless, tortured and dispossessed.


While we can ascribe the attacks to sentiments of Afrophobia, we must be willing to agree that the attacks are fuelled by a sense of hatred, dislike and fear of foreigners – and that is xenophobia. And given the fact that foreign nationals from Pakistan and Bangladesh have been profiled in this wave of attacks, it will soon no longer be enough for South Africans to cry “Afrophobia.”


A hangover from the past, fueled by present

South Africa’s xenophobia reflects the country’s history of isolation. As a country at the Southern most tip of Africa, South Africans are fond of referring to their continental counterparts as “Africans” or “people from Africa.” Many business ventures, news publications and events—aimed at local audiences—routinely speak about “going to Africa.”



Of course this narrow-mindedness, suffered by both black and white South Africans, is a by-product of apartheid. For black people, apartheid was an insidious tool used to induce self-hate and tribalize people of the same race. For white South Africans, apartheid was a false rubber-stamp of the white race as superior.


It is these two conceptions that gave rise to the myth that South Africa is not part of the African continent, but a different place that just happens to be on the tip of the continent.

Long after the scourge of apartheid, it is also clear that we’re fueling this prejudice in the present.

It remains to be seen whether South Africans will break away from these shackles, and rid themselves of this horrid prejudice anchored in our past, but seemingly fuelled by our present.





http://qz.com/384041/why-black-south-africans-are-only-attacking-foreign-africans-but-not-foreign-whites/
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by Nobody: 8:41pm On Apr 15, 2015
South Africans are oftentimes laughable in their ignorance and excuses. Aren't we talking about the same nation whose president claimed to take a thorough bath cures AIDS? Bwahaha... Now the xenophobic attack is AFROPHOBIA! Hahaha... Primitive human beings! angry angry angry angry cry cry cry cry

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Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by samtol4(m): 8:44pm On Apr 15, 2015
morpheus24:


What are they doing, passing out free government checks??
hahahahahah.God bless you bros .From your comments you really understand the situation on ground .Durban city is calm like Ghost city today as foreigners locked up and stood outside with weapons of self defense.These attacks started last week SA government was quite while looters have their way stealing and killing in some township,Since police didn't stop them these hungry and lazy locals stormed Durban town yesteday but met large numbers of Nigerian with dangerous weapons displaying before policemen. The looters went back to their various homes fearing Nigerians.No Nigerians have been attacked the name "Nigeria "create serious fear among Zulus .SELF DEFENSE is not a crime .Many Nigerian have invested a lot in businesses here and they said where were the locals when they pay huge money for shops?Nigerian in Durban are not like those in Nigeria who are busy dancing tribal makosa .WE ARE ONE here in Durban!

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Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by Nobody: 9:10pm On Apr 15, 2015
Nigerian shouldn't just wait on the South African leaders who aren't prepared to project them and their properties. Please, guard yourselves and family with whatever arms you've got. Zulus are brutes!

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Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by vandalZA(m): 9:40pm On Apr 15, 2015
crisycent:


Of all the countries in the world? A country where 80% of girls that are 20 years already have a child? A country ravaged by HIV? A country that is still enslaved by their colonial masters? A country whose citizens don't have ambitions other than to drink alcohol and poorly cooked meat? Wake up from your fvcking slumber.
proudly south African

Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by Nobody: 9:42pm On Apr 15, 2015
vandalZA:
proudly south African
You drunk! angry
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by Emasel(m): 9:52pm On Apr 15, 2015
samtol4:
hahahahahah.God bless you bros .From your comments you really understand the situation on ground .Durban city is calm like Ghost city today as foreigners locked up and stood outside with weapons of self defense.These attacks started last week SA government was quite while looters have their way stealing and killing in some township,Since police didn't stop them these hungry and lazy locals stormed Durban town yesteday but met large numbers of Nigerian with dangerous weapons displaying before policemen. The looters went back to their various homes fearing Nigerians.No Nigerians have been attacked the name "Nigeria "create serious fear among Zulus .SELF DEFENSE is not a crime .Many Nigerian have invested a lot in businesses here and they said where were the locals when they pay huge money for shops?Nigerian in Durban are not like those in Nigeria who are busy dancing tribal makosa .WE ARE ONE here in Durban!

cheesy I trust Naija, them no dey carry last.
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by vandalZA(m): 9:55pm On Apr 15, 2015
all4naija:
You drunk! angry
by my money and I'm not ashamed because I worked for it

Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by Nobody: 10:00pm On Apr 15, 2015
vandalZA:
by my money and I'm not ashamed because I worked for it
Oh, yeah! That now gives you the right to disturb the peace of the society. You walking alcoholic! Go make your bed and lay down on it at the corner of shops. Shameless Zulu!
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by vandalZA(m): 10:21pm On Apr 15, 2015
all4naija:
Oh, yeah! That now gives you the right to disturb the peace of the society. You walking alcoholic! Go make your bed and lay down on it at the corner of shops. Shameless Zulu!
first of all I'm not Zulu and retail its not the kind of business I deal with sub contracting construction that's my thing

Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by 14(m): 11:40pm On Apr 15, 2015
morpheus24:


Tufiakwa!

The country is already going down, its just a matter of time my friend.

The country has never been up, it has always been down.

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Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by Nobody: 11:43pm On Apr 15, 2015
vandalZA:
first of all I'm not Zulu and retail its not the kind of business I deal with sub contracting construction that's my thing
Okay! Xhosa barbarian.
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by Nobody: 11:47pm On Apr 15, 2015
ULSHERLAN:
Come back home. No place like home
lol you forgot in nigeria they put tire in ur head if you accused of stealing..so no where its safe abeg
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by Nobody: 11:48pm On Apr 15, 2015
14:


The country has never been up, it has always been down.
Smelling Townships! angry angry angry angry angry
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by ULSHERLAN(m): 11:55pm On Apr 15, 2015
ikp4succes:

lol you forgot in nigeria they put tire in ur head if you accused of stealing..so no where its safe abeg

Why avnt u been accused of stealing and tyres put on u to burn u? There is a high probability of u been attacked in anoda mans land dan in ur country if u thread carefully
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by mikron(m): 12:06am On Apr 16, 2015
emmanuel90:
In the 80s, Nigerian civil servants donated 5% of their
salaries to the South African Relief Fund for the liberation
struggle.
And now this!!!...How easy they forget.
they keep saying we didnt do anything to help them that zambia, tanzania, angola and zimbabwe are the countries that helped not Nigeria
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by 14(m): 12:12am On Apr 16, 2015
morpheus24:


Restructure that statement. 'The very same Nigerians, Ethiopians and Egyptians are utilizing opportunities poor South Africans can't figure out yet.




In which country?

The very same poor South Africans aren't the ones giving them economic opportunity. Unless foreigners start respecting South Africans in their own country, things like these will always come up everytime. How do you insult your host day in and day out and expect no retaliation. I am not supporting this xenophobia or Afrophobia, whatever you wanna call it. But i blame both sides, south africans and foreigners. How do you go to America and start insulting americans, instead of blending in with the local communities and become part of them. The biggest mistake foreigners make in South Africa, is to isolate themselves. It becomes "Them and us"

Foreigners have no close contact with their host, hence we have this issue on our hands. Even zimbabweans who are very close to South africa, isolate themselves. South Africans by their nature, are very sceptical about the unknown, there is more education that needs to happen both sides. Whats happening is just an embarrasment to the black race. We have 400 africans dying trying to cross to Italy, whats wrong with us. Are we a hopeless race?

I have to commend the Ghanaians, Batswanas, basothos, zwasis, zambians, malawians, they blend easily to local communities, the rest, they keep their distance hailing insults to their host. Its rare to find a Nigerian, zimbabwean, mozambican, congolese, ethiopian or somalians with a South African friend, it does not happen, why?

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Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by morpheus24: 12:26am On Apr 16, 2015
14:

In which country?
The very same poor South Africans aren't the ones giving them economic opportunity. Unless foreigners start respecting South Africans in their own country, things like these will always come up everytime. How do you insult your host day in and day out and expect no retaliation. I am not supporting this xenophobia or Afrophobia, whatever you wanna call it. But i blame both sides, south africans and foreigners. How do you go to America and start insulting americans, instead of blending in with the local communities and become part of them. The biggest mistake foreigners make in South Africa, is to isolate themselves. It becomes "Them and us".Foreigners have no close contact with their host, hence we have this issue on our hands. Even zimbabweans who are very close to South africa, isolate themselves. South Africans by their nature, are very sceptical about the unknown, there is more education that needs to happen both sides. Whats happening is just an embarrasment to the black race. We have 400 africans dying trying to cross to Italy, whats wrong with us. Are we a hopeless race?
I have to commend the Ghanaians, Batswanas, basothos, zwasis, zambians, they blend easily to local communities, the rest, they keep their distance hailing insults to their host. Its rare to find a Nigerian, zimbabwean, mozambican, congolese, ethiopian or somalians with a South African friend, it does not happen, why?

That is why you guys need to be more exposed, cause the rubbish you just spewed shows you know nothing about immigration and are again looking for St.tupid excuses to display your frustrations at your self loathing and the inability of your government to solve your issues. If you look at every single migration of people anywhere including that or your boers, people always group up as a "community" first before intermingling with the locals. Its a natural human tendency to do this.

Even Africans that end up in other countries such as China create a community within a community. Why are the Chinese not butchering them. You travel to the US, the UK you see communities of Africans within an area. Why are the locals not killing them. Nigerians hang with Nigerians, Liberians with Liberians, Congolese with Congolese yet they are able to display a mutual respect for each other. THey don't have to like each other, as long as there is respect. This is the reason you have places like little Haiti, Little Havana, CHina town in other countries. Do you normally see Nigerians hanging out with Ethiopians yet there is a mutual respect or at least they cross each other with no beef. Do you see Congolese hanging out with Ghanaians, yet there still is a mutual respect.

Can you mention a derogatory term used by other Africans for Africans such as your "makwerekwere". We identify ourselves based on nationality

The problem with you people is you have been so isolated from other Africans that you see them as a threat when they band together. You see them coming into your community and outsmarting you. You see they have international connections and are able to do business well while your unskilled men and women don't know what to do . This is where your hatred and jealousy comes from.

The only thing being insulted here is your intelligence when you react like animals to your OWN SELF HATRED by trying to destroy what you don't understand.

Please spare us the gibberish

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Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by Nobody: 12:39am On Apr 16, 2015
14:


In which country?

The very same poor South Africans aren't the ones giving them economic opportunity. Unless foreigners start respecting South Africans in their own country, things like these will always come up everytime. How do you insult your host day in and day out and expect no retaliation. I am not supporting this xenophobia or Afrophobia, whatever you wanna call it. But i blame both sides, south africans and foreigners. How do you go to America and start insulting americans, instead of blending in with the local communities and become part of them. The biggest mistake foreigners make in South Africa, is to isolate themselves. It becomes "Them and us"

Foreigners have no close contact with their host, hence we have this issue on our hands. Even zimbabweans who are very close to South africa, isolate themselves. South Africans by their nature, are very sceptical about the unknown, there is more education that needs to happen both sides. Whats happening is just an embarrasment to the black race. We have 400 africans dying trying to cross to Italy, whats wrong with us. Are we a hopeless race?

I have to commend the Ghanaians, Batswanas, basothos, zwasis, zambians, malawians, they blend easily to local communities, the rest, they keep their distance hailing insults to their host. Its rare to find a Nigerian, zimbabwean, mozambican, congolese, ethiopian or somalians with a South African friend, it does not happen, why?
A Nigerian would call you mumu for this writeup.

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Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by 14(m): 1:04am On Apr 16, 2015
morpheus24:


That is why you guys need to be more exposed, cause the rubbish you just spewed shows you know nothing about immigration and are again looking for St.tupid excuses to display your frustrations at your self loathing and the inability of your government to solve your issues. If you look at every single migration of people anywhere including that or your boers, people always group up as a "community" first before intermingling with the locals. Its a natural human tendency to do this.

Even Africans that end up in other countries such as China create a community within a community. Why are the Chinese not butchering them. You travel to the US, the UK you see communities of Africans within an area. Why are the locals not killing them. Nigerians hang with Nigerians, Liberians with Liberians, Congolese with Congolese yet they are able to display a mutual respect for each other. THey don't have to like each other, as long as there is respect. This is the reason you have places like little Haiti, Little Havana, CHina town in other countries. Do you normally see Nigerians hanging out with Ethiopians yet there is a mutual respect or at least they cross each other with no beef. Do you see Congolese hanging out with Ghanaians, yet there still is a mutual respect.

Can you mention a derogatory term used by other Africans for Africans such as your "makwerekwere". We identify ourselves based on nationality

The problem with you people is you have been so isolated from other Africans that you see them as a threat when they band together. You see them coming into your community and outsmarting you. You see they have international connections and are able to do business well while your unskilled men and women don't know what to do . This is where your hatred and jealousy comes from.

The only thing being insulted here is your intelligence when you react like animals to your OWN SELF HATRED by trying to destroy what you don't understand.

Please spare us the gibberish

whatever you wanna believe.

i said it, unless foreigners start respecting south africans in their own country, xenophobia will always come and go. underline that statement, this one will subside very soon. the government has learned from 2008 where more than 60 people were killed.

But if the relationship between foreigners and south africans does not get better, we are bound to experience more of this.

I never said nigerians must miggle with somalians, respect your host. if i go to nigeria and start instulting nigerian, telling them they are lazy and they breed to much, do you think i would be loved in nigeria or i would be creating more enemies.

If SOUTH AFRICANS were lazy, do you think they would have built a country what south africa is today, where the very same foreigners enjoy the infrustructured built by lazy south africans. if my mind serves me well, , foreigners were never involved.

so lets stop this xenophobia and start respecting each other and learn from each other

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Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by Nobody: 1:13am On Apr 16, 2015
14:


whatever you wanna believe.

i said it, unless foreigners start respecting south africans in their own country, xenophobia will always come and go. underline that statement, this one will subside very soon. the government has learned from 2008 where more than 60 people were killed.

But if the relationship between foreigners and south africans does not get better, we are bound to experience more of this.

I never said nigerians must miggle with somalians, respect your host. if i go to nigeria and start instulting nigerian, telling them they are lazy and they breed to much, do you think i would be loved in nigeria or i would be creating more enemies.

If SOUTH AFRICANS were lazy, do you think they would have built a country what south africa is today, where the very same foreigners enjoy the infrustructured built by lazy south africans. if my mind serves me well, , foreigners were never involved.

so lets stop this xenophobia and start respecting each other and learn from each other
Ha!!! This is bollocks - according to the English man!
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by AAinEqGuinea: 1:56am On Apr 16, 2015
Am I the only one who sees inferiority complex on all affected sides.

Nigerians can talk plenty sh.it and so can Somalis, hell sometimes they even team up to try come at African Americans, African Americans talk sh.it as well. But it escalates to nothing more than e-wars. Like S.A., African Americans know racism too, but this is absolutely the wrong way to carry out frustration, knowing Nigeria fought with them as well.

What's stopping S.A. from setting up shops in Nigeria? Is there not enough of whitey's imported shine in Nigeria for S.A. and Nigerians alike to chance it? Told ya inferiority was here grin
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by seppuku: 2:19am On Apr 16, 2015
14:

whatever you wanna believe.
i said it, unless foreigners start respecting south africans in their own country, xenophobia will always come and go. underline that statement, this one will subside very soon. the government has learned from 2008 where more than 60 people were killed.
But if the relationship between foreigners and south africans does not get better, we are bound to experience more of this.
I never said nigerians must miggle with somalians, respect your host. if i go to nigeria and start instulting nigerian, telling them they are lazy and they breed to much, do you think i would be loved in nigeria or i would be creating more enemies.
If SOUTH AFRICANS were lazy, do you think they would have built a country what south africa is today, where the very same foreigners enjoy the infrustructured built by lazy south africans. if my mind serves me well, , foreigners were never involved.
so lets stop this xenophobia and start respecting each other and learn from each other

What is this st.u.pid respect you are asking for. You want us to bow down to you and lick your boots. Nonsense.

If someone says you are lazy and you are not, why does that justify you coming and looting his goods.

Your problem is your government, go and face them in parliament instead of embarrassing yourselves in front of the entire world.
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by nembudziya(m): 4:26am On Apr 16, 2015
samtol4:
God bless you my Sister .God is helping us here .The situation came to standstill yesterday when Nigerians came out in large number with unbelievable weapons for self defense.Now SA government seeing that Nigerians are not Zimbabwe and Congolese who ran away when looters came .
ah! Nigga, are you dead serious, that you came out to the xenophobes with weaponry. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, why didn't unleash the weapons on them?
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by samtol4(m): 5:07am On Apr 16, 2015
nembudziya:

ah! Nigga, are you dead serious, that you came out to the xenophobes with weaponry. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, why didn't unleash the weapons on them?
It is easy for people to type different opinions from Lagos,Abuja ,Uyo etc .While some are just talking trash because they don't know true position of things .Bros the Xenophobia attacks in Durban are carried out not by educated blacks and employed black Citizens but few hungry,lazy and frustrated Citizens .They started last week looting and killing congolese,Ethiopian and Zimbabwe in Umlazi and Kwa Mashu .All what the SA govt could do was "we condemned these attacks".They did nothing to stop these boys. These hungry locals seeing that the government is less concern in protecting citizens move to Durban City in large numbers to continue the looting and killing .what do u expect us to do?fold our hands and be killed ?or Run ?run to where when the locals surrounded everywhere with weapons and policemen were only watching .It was at this point Nigerian mobilized all foreigners and informed them " if you sit down and look you will perish like fowl and decided to armed themselves with weapons for self defense and with large number started marching to confront the locals .That act by Nigerian marked the turning point here because the government officials and policemen saw "dangerous weapons displayed by Nigerian.It was at this point the security personnel saw that casualty will be much if confrontation take place .They began speaking Zulu language to the locals telling them Nigerian weapons are much and that Nigerian are ready to die than to allow any looting in the shops and stores.The locals now went back to township(their base) to loot Ethiopian and Somalian shops .Are u saying this act is WRONG?

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Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by delishpot: 5:50am On Apr 16, 2015
samtol4:
Xenophobia is barbaric and devilish ..Many have businesses and families here .I know a Medical doctor that is over 15years here and acquire properties u want him to abandon his labour ? where were you when they were investing in their businesses?where was the Zulu king when they paid huge money for business permit? now the business is booming hungry locals want to loot shops and chase them away .That is not possible Nigerians are not Congolese or Malawian . Nigerians resisted and defended themselves with various weapons yesterday ,now the SA govt can see that there will be serious casualty if confrontation continue .They are now calling the locals to order .Why didn't they do that last week when 5foreigners were killed(Congolese and Ethiopians).


If you look well, you will see I was clearly blaming the bad eggs over there causing this problem.


I do not want any more deaths. Until the government solves this is, let them come home. Better alive than a dead medical doctor. South Africans are going about their anger the wrong way but the fact is nothing I type or think will change the hearts of south Africans if they thirst for blood. I can only sugest Nigerians leave before they are killed like chickens.
Re: Save Us From Xenophobic Attacks, Nigerians In S Africa Urge FG by delishpot: 6:05am On Apr 16, 2015
samtol4:
hahahahahah.God bless you bros .From your comments you really understand the situation on ground .Durban city is calm like Ghost city today as foreigners locked up and stood outside with weapons of self defense.These attacks started last week SA government was quite while looters have their way stealing and killing in some township,Since police didn't stop them these hungry and lazy locals stormed Durban town yesteday but met large numbers of Nigerian with dangerous weapons displaying before policemen. The looters went back to their various homes fearing Nigerians.No Nigerians have been attacked the name "Nigeria "create serious fear among Zulus .SELF DEFENSE is not a crime .Many Nigerian have invested a lot in businesses here and they said where were the locals when they pay huge money for shops?Nigerian in Durban are not like those in Nigeria who are busy dancing tribal makosa .WE ARE ONE here in Durban!

Good. I just hope it ends there sha. That they dont go looking for weapons to match yours.

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