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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:28pm On Apr 19, 2015
kaboninc:


Money is stolen but how much?

20 billion USD?

I think we should be realistic here. To fight a disease, let's identify the cause. The best way to fight any disease is by prevention. I hope you agree.
Secondly you sounded like borrowing was bad. That was why I said NO, it is not.

Then again, this debate, we ought to have had it before now, during the campaigns. Why bring it now? Prolly you guys rode to victory on the hope that when you get there, you'll spark up debates like this and our responses will shape your programmes?

Oby......
I have explained how we can double our present income through mining, i was just irritated by barcanista's topic.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by taharqa: 11:28pm On Apr 19, 2015
kaboninc:


Zenith Bank!!!

That's where the money is!

Lolz cheesy

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by garrix8: 11:29pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

Except i don't know i to interpret your figures, all i see here is 40%

Sure.

From his post, NNPC (Which represents the interest of the FG) takes 60% while the IOCs share 40%. This 60-40 sharing is done after deduction of Royalty, PPT and Cost Oil.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kaboninc(m): 11:30pm On Apr 19, 2015
Firefire:



Kudos,

Like I said, we got overnight emergency Economist, half-baked for that matter, claiming to understand the interpretation of the numbers with the mere knowledge of plus and minus.

Nigerians are watching with keen interest the government of APC and how they would fulfill all their electoral promises.

God help their government.

Even with common arithmetic, you should be realistic.

God help us too.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:31pm On Apr 19, 2015
Billyonaire:


That's what I am talking about; Read more there;

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/07/shell-nigeria-csr-corporate-social-responsibility/

http://www.nipc.gov.ng/oil&gaspage.html

The recalculate what is accruing to NIGERIA; Re-base your calculations on current exchange rate not 200 naira. Factor in the Distribution of the Net based on Revenue Allocation Formula as a function of distribution to States and Local Government. Factor in teh Debt Management at current interest rate, also set aside funds as you like for External Reserves, excess crude Account, Subsidy, and do not forget to budget for emergency needs of the military if North decides to keep sponsoring terrorism and also the Fluctuation Marginal Difference from possible inflation.
I think i factored most all you posted above, i even used 2million barrels per day against 2.6.
My calculations were based on dollar at 160 naira.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nazeeboy(m): 11:32pm On Apr 19, 2015
kaboninc:


It is people like this, very lazy and ignorant I was referring to, when I reply the opening post!

I think the mods should not only validate the source of a story but also the meaning of its content. This guy here is a scapegoat!
hey man you don't have to be shouting and throwing insults to get attention. Calm down let's talk rationally as human beings.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by atlwireles: 11:32pm On Apr 19, 2015
taharqa:


Lolz cheesy

Can you believe that, this what most of them carry in their heads. You wonder why 419 is still successful in 2015. Just talk to an average APC supporter. undecided

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:32pm On Apr 19, 2015
garrix8:


Sure.

From his post, NNPC (Which represents the interest of the FG) takes 60% while the IOCs share 40%. This 60-40 sharing is done after deduction of Royalty, PPT and Cost Oil.
God bless you and i believe royalties goes to the FIRS?

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by pdrefurb: 11:33pm On Apr 19, 2015
MuguliciousMUGU:
Nonsense

go school, you won't go... You can see how buhari certificateless brain is affecting yours.

Just as they say, show me your friend and i will tell you who you are.

I rest my case.

We are watching the miracles...
Ɣ☺ΰ are a big fool....see how supporting the clueless one has affected your brain?what is wrong in her analysis?whether Ɣ☺ΰ like it or not the certificaless one will rule over Ɣ☺ΰ 4 4 years better than the clueless one that has certificate and spent 2trillion 2 win election and was scammed by fools like Ɣ☺ΰ and still lost...get over your sef oga....big mumu

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nazeeboy(m): 11:34pm On Apr 19, 2015
sarahatuba:

GOD BLESS YOU cheesy
Amen dear!

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Firefire(m): 11:34pm On Apr 19, 2015
Bayswater:
I won't even try to counter the oshodi economics obiagelli showcased above. The APC think-tanks know that our revenue this year won't be enough to finance the budget and other immediate needs hence we are looking at a budget of deficit (expenditure will exceed revenue). Therefore, it will be useless for us to start analyzing Oby's figures - it is meaningless to even talk about oil revenue as a source of financing our budget.

The top hierarchy of the APC knows the revenue to be made from from oil and other sources of revenue this year won't be enough to finance the 2015 budget hence the reason why they are planning to raise taxes and VAT by the middle of the year! That's a shocker right.

Just get ready to pay a VAT of between 10% - 15% and higher income taxes. I know some people will ask what this means.

It simply means the price of every item you buy in the market now will go up as traders will find a way of passing this additional tax to buyers (consumers).

Buhari did this same thing in 1984 and it failed, now he is doing it again. All welcome the new change!!! embarassed embarassed

barcanista, anonimi, truckpusher, firefire, onatisi

Honestly speaking, if Nigeria cut the cost of governance, reduce fraudulent businesses, cut the cost of all political office holder, then we can have more money to fund our developmental projects and not feeding the children at another bogus cost as postulated in APC campaign promises.

Increasing of Taxes in Nigeria is inevitable but should not be the first option in generating more revenue, all loopholes should be blocked first.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:35pm On Apr 19, 2015
garrix8:


From a fields Production, the State takes:

1. Royalty

2. Petroleum Profit Tax

3. It's share of the profit oil

The IOCs take

1. Cost oil (to defray expenses incurred during Field Development)

2. Their share of the profit oil.

[img]http://www.ccop.or.th/epf/cambodia/images/cam01.gif[/img]

Thanks brother. Learning something new here.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:35pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

I think i factored most all you posted above, i even used 2million barrels per day against 2.6.
My calculations were based on dollar at 160 naira.
You did not take out the % of crude taken by Oil companies. You merely calculated amounts based on price of crude and projected production. Re-based your calculation based on what Federal Governt earns, what you calculated belongs to the Oil companies, the Federal Government, the State governments and Local Governments. Split the damn digits based on Revenue Allocation and Petroleum Industry Sharing ratio. Will Buhari not give Oil company their share ? He will not give state government ? Will he not give Local Government ? Factor in Debt Management in the Federal Govenment share, and also factor in External Reserve and Excess Crude Reserve. Why are you stubborn ?

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:36pm On Apr 19, 2015
Firefire:


Honestly speaking, if Nigeria cut the cost of governance, reduce fraudulent businesses, cut the cost of all political office holder, then we can have more money to fund our developmental projects and not feeding the children at another bogus cost as postulated in APC campaign promises.

Increasing of Taxes in Nigeria is inevitable but should not be the first option in generating more revenue, all loopholes should be blocked first.
One meal for primary school kids isn't too much brother, have thought of the effect on the agric sector? Massive boom.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kaboninc(m): 11:37pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

I have explained how we can double our present income through mining, i was just irritated by barcanista's topic.

Double?

We can improve our tax collection drive thereby boosting revenue. Do you know how many people evade tax? But people wouldn't want to pay too if there's nothing to show for it. We can strengthen people and institutions thereby reducing (not completely eliminating) corruption.

We can continue the drive of diversifying our economy, improving our income streams.

But doubling....that will take years to come. As it stands today, oil is our major source of income. The PIB will also help shore up our income too.

Oby, are you saying that you APC folks know nothing about this? APC, they never forget to disappoint!

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:37pm On Apr 19, 2015
Billyonaire:
You did not take out the % of crude taken by Oil companies. You merely calculated amounts based on price of crude and projected production. Re-based your calculation based on what Federal Governt earns, what you calculated belongs to the Oil companies, the Federal Government, the State governments and Local Governments. Split the damn digits based on Revenue Allocation and Petroleum Industry Sharing ratio. Will Buhari not give Oil company their share ? He will not give state government ? Will he not give Local Government ? Factor in Debt Management in the Federal Govenment share, and also factor in External Reserve and Excess Crude Reserve. Why are you stubborn ?
I already covered the revenue formula in my first post nah.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:38pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

I already covered the revenue formula in my first post nah.
You didnt. I have a copy of your write up here. Its complete bullshit honey.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:39pm On Apr 19, 2015
kaboninc:


Double?

We can improve our tax collection drive thereby boosting revenue. Do you know how many people evade tax? But people wouldn't want to pay too if there's nothing to show for it. We can strengthen people and institutions thereby reducing (not completely eliminating) corruption.

We can continue the drive of diversifying our economy, improving our income streams.

But doubling....that will take years to come. As it stands today, oil is our major source of income. The PIB will also help shore up our income too.

Oby, are you saying that you APC folks know nothing about this? APC, they never forget to disappoint!
Are you saying mining can't double our income? Of course we need to work on taxes too.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Olaone1: 11:40pm On Apr 19, 2015
I dey laugh oo
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:41pm On Apr 19, 2015
Billyonaire:
You didnt. I have a copy of your write up here. Its complete bullshit honey.
Read the last paragraph, after the edit.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by atlwireles: 11:42pm On Apr 19, 2015
Firefire:


Honestly speaking, if Nigeria cut the cost of governance, reduce fraudulent businesses, cut the cost of all political office holder, then we can have more money to fund our developmental projects and not feeding the children at another bogus cost as postulated in APC campaign promises.

Increasing of Taxes in Nigeria is inevitable but should not be the first option in generating more revenue, all loopholes should be blocked first.

Cutting the cost of government means sacking thousands of civil servants, there is no two ways about that. Reducing fraudulent business acts, is best imagined in this country. We refuse to restructure, so we are paying the price for inefficiency. Any form of Tax increase MUST AND WILL BE VIGOROUS OPPOSED. You will not tax hard working regions to fund loads of lazy poor people. Increasing any form of tax must be done at the state level.

Let APC take the same revenue as is today and perform their miracle, they promised Nigeria before the election.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by chronique(m): 11:42pm On Apr 19, 2015
I was about pointing this out. I'm surprised at how most of these folks have been going about their crayfish accounting and sharing whole oil revenue from crude oil sales,without deducting operational costs and expenses. It's even more worrisome when they tend to talk with authority and all sense of conviction that they are saying the right thing. Nairaland keeps exposing the ignorance exhibited by a larger percentage of Nigerians,on a daily basis. I think govt should start making basic accounting principles and practice,a compulsory course for every Nigerian undergraduate. With the way the OP has done her calculations,I have no doubt that she'd be very successful in running down multi-billion dollar businesses within a very short time frame,if given the opportunity.
taharqa:


Lolz

Obi, I like you so I would be kind. Plzzz, reread what you just wrote here and modify. I'm fact, rewrite everything.


CLUES when rewriting:
----Nigeria and the Oil companies only share the PROFIT from the Crude Oil sales after the Cost for the exploration, exploitation, storage, transportation, etc have been removed
---- This Share of the Oil Profit goes to the 3 tiers if Govt, and not just the FG
----- Most of the revenue that FIRS raise in a year come from taxes (royalties, production sharing fees, etc) from these same OIL COMPANIES, and so indirectly still come from the Profit of Crude Oil sales. It is therefore wrong to calculate it as though it is a stand-alone revenue source
--- Amongst others


The truth id that none of you chaps has even the slightest clue how to respond to that painstakingly well researched OP from barcanista. FULL STOP. We expect the main APC guys to tell Nigerians HOW they intend to fulfill the many promises they made during the campaigns. Apparently, they 'forgot' to do so before now

Greatings

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nobody: 11:44pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

Read the last paragraph, after the edit.
You are fucking crazy sweetie, so you re-ammended the post. I didnt see that, but based on earlier calculus, we need 1.87 trillion, and you are able to realize 0.6 trillion that is 600 billion ? How will you get the remaining 1.2 trillion to fulfil the idiotic promise of free food ? Yeye dey smell oh. I got to go to bed, you are mischievous.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by trillville(m): 11:45pm On Apr 19, 2015
Firefire:


Honestly speaking, if Nigeria cut the cost of governance, reduce fraudulent businesses, cut the cost of all political office holder, then we can have more money to fund our developmental projects and not feeding the children at another bogus cost as postulated in APC campaign promises.

Increasing of Taxes in Nigeria is inevitable but should not be the first option in generating more revenue, all loopholes should be blocked first.

Have you thought critically about the benefits Nigeria as a whole will gain from feeding children? Or you've simply assumed is just campaign propaganda?
Today we have ND militants, boko haram, ombaste, Fulani herdsmen, opc, biafranist, etc, all recruiting young illiterate people to commit atrocities against Nigerians.

Given these children free food would hopefully make them stay in school and give them a better chance of not becoming destroyers of Nigeria in the future. Do you understand?

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Nazeeboy(m): 11:46pm On Apr 19, 2015
olumide4christ:


True talk, Nazeeboy!! When I see all these enemies of progress on nairaland, I feel like weeping for Nigeria because some Nigerians dont want the country to move forward simply because their candidate lost.
I tell you - all the haters of Buhari on Nairaland will be disappointed if God uses Buhari to make things better in Nigeria and will rejoice if things don't go well under Buhari.

Why can't all Nigerians come together and be hopeful for a better Nigeria, irrespective of whoever is in power?? If Nigeria becomes better, it will favour us and our future generations. Some Nigerians only want Nigeria to progress under the leadership of their own candidate or brother or kinsman! SO DISAPPOINTING!
yeah my brother. These people hates to hear even a bit of the truth and i wonder why? Whenever the truth is being said, they go mad on the person that said it. There is nothing wrong in admitting that you are wrong and somebody is right. We are all human beings and making mistakes are parts of what defines us and characterizes us as rational beings.

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kaboninc(m): 11:47pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

One meal for primary school kids isn't too much brother, have thought of the effect on the agric sector? Massive boom.

Hmmmm...so by giving primary school children, one meal per day, there will be a massive boom in the agricultural sector? Hian!

The MDGs were developed for certain reasons. These goals amongst other things seek to eradicate extreme poverty. Spending money on a meal per day and empowering these homes (the parents), which do you think is an effective way of reducing poverty?

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by taharqa: 11:47pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

I already covered the revenue formula in my first post nah.

Obiagelli o, for Goodness sake, accept your huge errors and bow out gracefully. Your initial OP was a complete mess. Am sure you know that by now cos you are a smart gurl.

You would have noticed that most of us have been somewhat cautious in responding to you on this thread, in spite of the glaring errors in the OP. That cos you are considered about the sanest APC supporter here on NL. Don't overstretch that welcome, biko.

Do the graceful thing...
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Firefire(m): 11:47pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

One meal for primary school kids isn't too much brother, have thought of the effect on the agric sector? Massive boom.

I see your analysis in attempting to counter Bacarnista, but your projection make it looks as if Buhari will feed the children from all the revenue accrued to the government going by your computations, thou with many noticed loopholes.

Buhari and APC govt. cannot afford to fail, the faith reposed in their government is beyond any complain or excuses.

They must deliver all their electoral promises, if it would involve borrowing some money from Bukola Saraki, Ahmed Tinubu, Rotimi Amaechi and others in their camp.

Peace.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by garrix8: 11:48pm On Apr 19, 2015
Firefire:


Honestly speaking, if Nigeria cut the cost of governance, reduce fraudulent businesses, cut the cost of all political office holder, then we can have more money to fund our developmental projects and not feeding the children at another bogus cost as postulated in APC campaign promises.

Increasing of Taxes in Nigeria is inevitable but should not be the first option in generating more revenue, all loopholes should be blocked first.

There's nothing wrong in feeding Children who attend Public schools. The benefits of the program outweighs the cost in my opinion.
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by kaboninc(m): 11:49pm On Apr 19, 2015
trillville:


Given these children free food would hopefully make them stay in school and give them a better chance of not becoming destroyers of Nigeria in the future. Do you understand?

Only if you know that there's no free meal even in Freetown!
Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by Abok1(m): 11:49pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:

Thanks brother. Learning something new here.
Obiagelli:

I already covered the revenue formula in my first post nah.




[b]
I posted the following earlier on another thread:
Shell royalties paid to Nigeria
2003 - 1.8 billion
2004 - $3.3 billion
2005 - $4.3 billion
2006 - $3.5 billion


Source:
http://reports.shell.com/sustainability-report/2011/servicepages/previous/files/shell_report_2003.pdf
http://reports.shell.com/sustainability-report/2013/servicepages/previous/files/shell_report_2004.pdf


between 2007 to 2011
$38 billion

Source:
http://reports.shell.com/sustainability-report/2011/ouractivities/deliveringenergyresponsibly/nigeria.html


From the figures above which is from Shell alone, the cost of crude oil at 2006 was $58 per barrel and shell paid $3.5 billion, this figure is also factoring the Niger delta constant pipeline blow ups. Also in 2006 shell had the Bonga oil field oil leakage, which led to loss of products to the leaks and also extra cost of fixing the leakages.

Using the above figures, if Shell alone is paying approximately 855 billion naira (using today's rate), how much do think the FG would make from the other firms considering the fact that there is an increased output form the Oil companies and there is peace in the region.


[/b]

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Re: Buhari's Social Program: Very Possible. by ngoziama: 11:50pm On Apr 19, 2015
Obiagelli:
Officially, Nigeria exports 2 million barrels of crude oil
daily. At the current price of 60 US dollars per barrel, that
translates into 120 million US dollars.

120 million x 365day = 43,800,000,000

43 billion dollars @ 60% ( rumoured sharing formula between Nigeria and oil companies)

That means Nigeria makes 25.8 billion dollars annually.

$25.8 billion x 200 naira = 5.1 trillion naira.


Nigeria's 2014 budget was N4.6 trillion meaning we still have about 0.5 trillion naira change.
www.channelstv.com/2014/04/09/nigerian-senate-passes-4-6-trillion-naira-2014-budget/


FEDERAL INLAND REVENUE

Nigeria generated N4.69tn Revenue in 2014

www.thisdaylive.com/articles/firs-generates-n4-69tn-revenue-in-2014/200484/

Adding N4.69 trillion (firs) + 5.1 trillion (crude oil) = 9.79 trillion.

If our budget was N4.6 trillion then we have a balance of 5.1 trillion naira that nobody accounts for.

Barcanista asked where we will find 1.8 trillion to take care of our most vulnerable citizens, this balance of 5.1 trillion will be taken away from the pockets of criminals and militants.




EDIT.


I forgot the FG gets 52% of total income, even at that we have a balance of 0.6 trillion naira which is sufficient for the first stage of the social programs.
The APC government has said one of its major income earners is the mining industry.

This plans with financial discipline is very much achievable.

Please note that my analysis is based our major source of income ( oil and taxes), i have not touched other income earnings.



Obiageliiiiii nodu nwayo plsssssss.you are just becoming unecessarily loud.The same you that destroyed unity schools just because the rich wanted to buy them over.mmmmmhhhhhh

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