Scholar8200:
Let's go down to some verses in the same chapter, see John 14:9-12
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Jesus' life was such that The Father was revealed through Him. As Luke 10:22, declares, “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” And He revealed the Father to the disciples as stated in John 17:6


This is why Jesus could pray the way He did in John 17:6
6 I have manifested Your Name [I have revealed Your very Self, Your real Self] to the people whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, and You gave them to Me, and they have obeyed and kept Your word.

bingbagbo:


DEVIATION!!!!......stick to that verse

Scholar8200:
What was deviated from? I simply quoted some verses in the same chapter you quoted that clearly explains the one you quoted! Telling me to stick to that verse and explain it 'from the brain' while ignoring other relevant verses explains why you are making the mistakes in interpretation you have made!

bingbagbo:


i Mean what is the meaning of the verses i quoted?

JESUS CLEARLY SAID HE WAS THE FATHER,....DO YOU DOUBT THAT?

Scholar8200:
Kindly show me this as stated verbatim in your initial quote.
And why are you allergic to the immediate verses 9-12? I guess they contradict what you think/wish vs 8 said! While they offer clarity to the unbiased.

bingbagbo:



are u saying that JESUS lied in saying HOW CAN YOU ASK ME TO SHOW YOU THE FATHER?....I THE FATHER HAVE BEEN WITH YOU FOR LONG....DID JESUS LIE?

Scholar8200:
Kindly show me the highlighted text, verbatim, in your initial post. Now you twist that verse, even though this contradicts the immediately succeeding verses in the same chapter!
Note that any conclusion you arrive at that does not follow the line of thought declared by Jesus in verses 9 - 12,that conclusion is an error.

bingbagbo:


i give you the benefit of the doubt, what did JESUS imply in that verse?

Scholar8200:
Exactly what verse 9-12 and Luke 10:22 expressed as stated in my initial reply viz Jesus revealed the Father to His disciples.

Scholar8200:
Exactly what verse 9-12 and Luke 10:22 expressed as stated in my initial reply viz[b] Jesus revealed the Father to His disciples.[/b]

bingbagbo:



so which father again did Jesus reveal?

Scholar8200:
The Father referred to in John 14:9-12 and many other parallel verses.

bingbagbo:



WHO IS HE?

Scholar8200:
The Father to whom Jesus returned to after perfecting the redemption, John 14:12,"... I go unto My FATHER"

Scholar8200:
The Father to whom Jesus returned to after perfecting the redemption, John 14:12,"... I go unto My FATHER"

Scholar8200:
The Father to whom Jesus returned to after perfecting the redemption, John 14:12,"... I go unto My FATHER"

bingbagbo:


JOHN 4:22

You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

OPEN YOUR EYES AND PRAY MY BROTHERS

Scholar8200:
John 4:23-26 shows that the Messiah sent by the Father, is distinct from the Father,"...worship the Father in spirit and in truth; the Father seeks such to worship Him. . . God is A Spirit. . . Messiah comes . . . Called Christ. . . I that speaks unto you am He"[THE MESSIAH].

bingbagbo:


1 Corinthians 12:3

Therefore I am informing you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Scholar8200:
Truth! Let me add, 1 Corinthians 8:6,"... The Father of Whom are all things, and we in Him; And One Lord Jesus Christ by Whom are all things, and we by Him" and 1 John 5:7," For There are three that bear record in Heaven, The Father,The Word, and The Holy Ghost: and These Three are One." and finally Hebrews 1:1,2" God Who at sundry times and divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son..."

Scholar8200:
Truth! Let me add, 1 Corinthians 8:6,"... The Father of Whom are all things, and we in Him; And One Lord Jesus Christ by Whom are all things, and we by Him" and 1 John 5:7," For There are three that bear record in Heaven, The Father,The Word, and The Holy Ghost: and These Three are One." and finally Hebrews 1:1,2" God Who at sundry times and divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son..."

An2elect2:


It is so easy to believe that there are three persons in one God from few passages in the new testament. How then do we explain the old testament where God is described multiple times as numerically one?

Okay that aside we are speaking of the Father here. Was prophet Isaiah not under the Unction of the Holy spirit when he said this in Isaiah 9:6?


"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is
given: and the government shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The
everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Is Jesus, the promised messiah not being referred to here as the Father? or are you saying there are two Fathers?

Scholar8200:

Hebrews 1:1,2 answers this,
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, ... Other passages like Psalm 2:11,12 ; Proverbs 30:4, Psalm 110:1 are all in the OT.


The use of the word Father there is the same usage in Genesis 45:8 spoken by Joseph when he became prime minister or one that administered Egypt
8 So now it was not you who sent me here, but God; and He has made me a father to Pharaoh and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt. Compare this with the rendition of the same verse in NIV
8 “So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God. [b]He made me father to Pharaoh, [/b]lord of his entire household and ruler of all Egypt.
So the usage of Everlasting Father as concerns Jesus Christ, relates to His Lordship.

You may want to consider the striking similarity between Genesis 41:41-43 and Daniel 7: 13,14 as regards this.

Scholar8200:

Hebrews 1:1,2 answers this,
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, ... Other passages like Psalm 2:11,12 ; Proverbs 30:4, Psalm 110:1 are all in the OT.

Scholar8200:


The use of the word Father there is the same usage in Genesis 45:8 spoken by Joseph when he became prime minister or one that administered Egypt
8 So now it was not you who sent me here, but God; and He has made me a father to Pharaoh and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt. Compare this with the rendition of the same verse in NIV
8 “So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God. He made me father to Pharaoh, lord of his entire household and ruler of all Egypt.
So the usage of Everlasting Father as concerns Jesus Christ, relates to His Lordship.

You may want to consider the striking similarity between Genesis 41:41-43 and Daniel 7: 13,14 as regards this.

bingbagbo:

An2elect2:


Abeg what is he trying to say? there are two fathers. Big father and small father?