I wonder why won't pastors talk about the possibility of divorce, instead they advocate for a never ending marriage between a man and a woman, even in cases when it is obvious that one partner may die before time while trying to endure believing the union will eventually work.

I will leave the old testament out of this because people might say "it was before the birth and teaching of the lord jesus, so those rules were amended by him"
But according to Mathew 19:9, a man is allowed to divorce his wife under the reason of unfaithfulness/adultery.

my belief is, I won't die or suffer unnecessarily in a marriage for a partners misbehavior, not only in cases of adultery but any intense level of insanity introduced into the marriage by my partner, Nobody, no pastor can talk or preach me out of divorce.
it is better for me to take that chances of committing a sin ,"which to an extent I don't believe is a sin", than bear hell given to me by my partner.

(with reference to the bible) I really don't know about how possible it is for a woman to divorce her husband.

But in all, I still think no one deserves to bear and suffer for their partners misbehavior and/or abuse [so long it is not an illness of the body organ(s)], SINCE EVEN ON JUDGEMENT DAY EVERYONE WILL BE JUDGED SEPARATELY/ INDEPENDENTLY.

if you don't agree, state your reasons .

I meant no insult to anyone else's belief.

Let it be clear that God does not encourage divorce.
However, according to God, the Author of marriage, and according to His Word as contained in the Holy Bible, the only valid grounds for divorce are:
1. Pretence: (EZRA 10). Any marriage under deceptive identity is not valid. If anyone is deceived into marriage, such marriage does not count before God. Some unbelievers pretended to be children of the light, and deceived Israel to marriage, until those strange wives were sent packing, the anger of God was upon Israel.
2. Immorality: (Matthew 5:32). Unfaithfulness on the part of either of the couple is also a valid ground for divorce.
3. Irreconcilable differences that could endager the lives of the couple: ( Matthew 19: .

Silvofitz:
Booked

did you booked in agreement?
that no one should suffer in marriage, even as a Christian all in the name of "happy ever after"?

i have always had dis thought too

but its usually not talked much abt so dat it will not be rampant

kelvyn7:
,

why now? it concerns you whether married or not.

Dheartless:
I wonder why won't pastors talk about the possibility of divorce, instead they advocate for a never ending marriage between a man and a woman, even in cases when it is obvious that one partner may die before time while trying to endure believing the union will eventually work.

I will leave the old testament out of this because people might say "it was before the birth and teaching of the lord jesus, so those rules were amended by him"
But according to Mathew 19:9, a man is allowed to divorce his wife under the reason of unfaithfulness/adultery.

my belief is, I won't die or suffer unnecessarily in a marriage for a partners misbehavior, not only in cases of adultery but any intense level of insanity introduced into the marriage by my partner, Nobody, no pastor can talk or preach me out of divorce.
it is better for me to take that chances of committing a sin ,"which to an extent I don't believe is a sin", than bear hell given to me by my partner.

(with reference to the bible) I really don't know about how possible it is for a woman to divorce her husband.

But in all, I still think no one deserves to bear and suffer for their partners misbehavior and/or abuse [so long it is not an illness of the body organ(s)], SINCE EVEN ON JUDGEMENT DAY EVERYONE WILL BE JUDGED SEPARATELY/ INDEPENDENTLY.

if you don't agree, state your reasons .

I meant no insult to anyone else's belief.

Directing your posts to men is very strange

Men have always divorced their wives for infidelity; infact, a man forgiving infidelity is an exception

Your posts should be directed to women instead.

As for why people do not divorce unfaithful partners, I do not know.

kelvyn7:
i have always had dis thought too

but its usually not talked much abt so dat it will not be rampant

agreed .
but even at that,
why do most of this pastors insist that a crumbling, abusive and unfaithful marriage continue even while the evident are obvious.

bukatyne:


Directing your posts to men is very strange

Men have always divorced their wives for infidelity; infact, a man forgiving infidelity is an exception

Your posts should be directed to women instead.

As for why people do not divorce unfaithful partners, I do not know.

I meant to address the issue base on pastors insisting on continuation of an abusive and an unfaithful marriage.

I think at the end of the op, I stated that no one should be forced to remain in a bad marriage.

but do you think it's right for pastors to insist on continuity of a bad marriage?

Dheartless:

I meant to address the issue base on pastors insisting on continuation of an abusive and unfaithful marriage.

I think at the end of op, I stated that no one should be forced to remain in a bad marriage.

but do you think it's right for pastors to insist on continuity of a bad marriage?

Anyone who says in a bad marriage because his/her pastor said so has not started.

When the person is tired, he/she would disappear

A lot of 21st century folks aren't meant to be married. We marry for the wrong reasons and so we must face all these consequences. By the way, has anyone seen were a man divorced his wife in the scriptures

Let me add, no woman can commit the type of offence that Eve did but Adam forgave. So it can handle.

Stop giving ur self or other people hopeless assurance, jesus christ has amended every law or reason soliciting divorce,
he said "HE THAT MADE THEM IN THE BEGINING, Made THEM MALE ND FEMALE...there is no escape route as far the better-for-worse vow has been taken...remember until death do them part.

Maccoy1:
Stop giving ur self or other people hopeless assurance, jesus christ has amended every law or reason soliciting divorce,
he said "HE THAT MADE THEM IN THE BEGINING, Made THEM MALE ND FEMALE...there is no escape route as far the better-for-worse vow has been taken...remember until death do them part.

did you read the part where the bible state "except for marital unfaithfulness"?

do you know God also understands that it is better for a man to stay on the roof top than bear a nagging wife?
Yes, because the bible also states that.

lastly which would be a better news?

a man beats an unfaithful wife to death.

a woman stabbed a cheating husband to death

a court granted a man/woman appeal for divorce.

you decide.

okotv:
A lot of 21st century folks aren't meant to be married. We marry for the wrong reasons and so we must face all these consequences. By the way, has anyone seen were a man divorced his wife in the scriptures

Let me add, no woman can commit the type of offence that Eve did but Adam forgave. So it can handle.

these days the events that goes on in a bad marriage are different so don't you think we need amendment?

which would be a better news?

a man beats an unfaithful wife to death.

a woman stabbed a cheating husband to
death

a court granted a man/woman appeal for
divorce.

you decide.

okotv:
A lot of 21st century folks aren't meant to be married. We marry for the wrong reasons and so we must face all these consequences. By the way, has anyone seen were a man divorced his wife in the scriptures

Let me add, no woman can commit the type of offence that Eve did but Adam forgave. So it can handle.

You go to Deeper life right?

Had a peep at your diary

Dheartless:

these days the events that goes on in a bad marriage are different so don't you think we need amendment?

which would be a better news?

a man beats an unfaithful wife to death.

a woman stabbed a cheating husband to
death

a court granted a man/woman appeal for
divorce.

you decide.

What type of marriages do you guys get into today. I would never get into that situation.

bukatyne:

You go to Deeper life right?
Had a peep at your diary

I do.

okotv:
What type of marriages do you guys get into today. I would never get into that situation.

how can you tell if your spouse will remain faithful?
how can you tell if your spouse won't want to end you to gain freedom and possess your wealth?
how can you tell if your spouse will not seek for divorce in the future?

since even some well known and anointed pastors of these days and their wife's commits adultery and some even ended their union.

Dheartless:

did you booked in agreement?
that no one should suffer in marriage, even as a Christian all in the name of "happy ever after"?

I booked to check my bible references to back up my view. Check my response.

Dheartless:

how can you tell if your spouse will remain faithful?
how can you tell if your spouse won't want to end you to gain freedom and possess your wealth?
how can you tell if your spouse will not seek for divorce in the future?

since even some well known and anointed pastors of these days and their wife's commits adultery and some even ended their union.

Men of God or not, a lot of folks marry because of artificial things. I would know all that you asked because I would only marry whom God picks for me whether ugly(discretional), an illiterate, or even disabled. I have seen enough and mind you God cannot change, if he did for those in the days of old, he can still do it now. I believe.

Dheartless:
I wonder why won't pastors talk about the possibility of divorce, instead they advocate for a never ending marriage between a man and a woman, even in cases when it is obvious that one partner may die before time while trying to endure believing the union will eventually work.

I will leave the old testament out of this because people might say "it was before the birth and teaching of the lord jesus, so those rules were amended by him"
But according to Mathew 19:9, a man is allowed to divorce his wife under the reason of unfaithfulness/adultery.

my belief is, I won't die or suffer unnecessarily in a marriage for a partners misbehavior, not only in cases of adultery but any intense level of insanity introduced into the marriage by my partner, Nobody, no pastor can talk or preach me out of divorce.
it is better for me to take that chances of committing a sin ,"which to an extent I don't believe is a sin", than bear hell given to me by my partner.

(with reference to the bible) I really don't know about how possible it is for a woman to divorce her husband.

But in all, I still think no one deserves to bear and suffer for their partners misbehavior and/or abuse [so long it is not an illness of the body organ(s)], SINCE EVEN ON JUDGEMENT DAY EVERYONE WILL BE JUDGED SEPARATELY/ INDEPENDENTLY.

if you don't agree, state your reasons .

I meant no insult to anyone else's belief.

What happened to my mention - planned to come back to this, did, and it was missing? Anyway, I'll respond and delete if for some reason I am persona non grata !

- Adultery is the only reason for divorce in a properly constituted marriage
- Divorce does not suppose re-marriage (a woman is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives - Romans 7:2)

So even if "divorce" happens because of adultery, or due to other contrived or seemingly valid reasons, re-marriage is not permitted.


TV

^{...there is one possible exception, but lets not go creating snares now, shall we}

Silvofitz:
Let it be clear that God does not encourage divorce.
However, according to God, the Author of marriage, and according to His Word as contained in the Holy Bible, the only valid grounds for divorce are:
1. Pretence: (EZRA 10). Any marriage under deceptive identity is not valid. If anyone is deceived into marriage, such marriage does not count before God. Some unbelievers pretended to be children of the light, and deceived Israel to marriage, until those strange wives were sent packing, the anger of God was upon Israel.
2. Immorality: (Matthew 5:32). Unfaithfulness on the part of either of the couple is also a valid ground for divorce.
3. Irreconcilable differences that could endager the lives of the couple: ( Matthew 19: .

I think I want to agree to this post , even though many people will not agree to your point number 3.

nice post
I would still like to get an insight of your last point if you don't mind

TV01:

What happened to my mention - planned to come back to this, did, and it was missing? Anyway, I'll respond and delete if for some reason I am persona non grata !

- Adultery is the only reason for divorce in a properly constituted marriage
- Divorce does not suppose re-marriage (a woman is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives - Romans 7:2)

So even if "divorce" happens because of adultery, or due to other contrived or seemingly valid reasons, re-marriage is not permitted.


TV

^{...there is one possible exception, but lets not go creating snares now, shall we}

sorry about the mention, I knew you already saw it.

please read this again.
Mathew 19;9
and I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, EXCEPT IT BE FORNICATION, and shall marry another committed adultery, and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

when a wife fornicates and she is put away, it is no longer adultery if the husband marries another woman and I believe from that verse also, it is no longer adultery if another man marries the woman.

and another version of Bible says "marital unfaithfulness"
I also want to believe a wife can be unfaithful in more than one way.

Dheartless:

sorry about the mention, I knew you already saw it.

please read this again.
Mathew 19;9
and I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, EXCEPT IT BE FORNICATION, and shall marry another committed adultery, and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

when a wife fornicate and she put away, it is no longer an adultery if the husband marries another woman and I believe from that verse also, it is no longer an adultery if another man marries the woman.

What you are saying above is once divorce happens, both parties are "scripturally" free to re-marry. This is a charter for serial marriages. It belies what scripture clearly teaches about marriage being for life.

And I believe - I stand to be corrected - that it may only have been men that could put away wives then, not vice-versa. Read the scriptures in total. My position is the sum total of everything I can find.


TV

Dheartless:

I think I want to agree to this post , even though many people will not agree to your point number 3.

nice post
I would still like to get an insight of your last point if you don't mind

Point 3. Irreconcilable differences that could endager the lives of the couple mean sharp differences that could provoke assaults, or even, arsons, dangerous acts that could lead to the death of the couple. This is what Jesus referred to as the hardness of their hearts in Matthew 19 : 8. If the disagreement is so sharp that could lead to death, Moses okayed divorce.

Dheartless:
[b][/b]
I think I want to agree to this post , even though many people will not agree to your point number 3.

nice post
I would still like to get an insight of your last point if you don't mind

Point 3. Irreconcilable differences that could endager the lives of the couple mean sharp differences that could provoke assaults, or even, arsons, dangerous acts that could lead to the death of the couple. This is what Jesus referred to as the hardness of their hearts in Matthew 19 : 8. If the disagreement is so sharp that could lead to death, Moses okayed divorce.

Silvofitz:

Point 3. Irreconcilable differences that could endager the lives of the couple mean sharp differences that could provoke assaults, or even, arsons, dangerous acts that could lead to the death of the couple. This is what Jesus referred to as the hardness of their hearts in Matthew 19 : 8. If the disagreement is so sharp that could lead to death, Moses okayed divorce.

TV01 what say you to this?

in response to the last mention directed at me.
if we refer to the bible in total, we will build many contradictions, so it is better we stick to verses in relation to the topic.

in addition to silvofitz post
some version of bible used word like
*unfaithfulness
* immorality
instead of fornication,
-we know a wife can be unfaithful in more than one way.
-we know "immorality" doesn't specify sexual immortality ( and we know all sexual immorality are not just sleeping with another man other than a husband)

Dheartless:

did you read the part where the bible state "except for marital unfaithfulness"?

do you know God also understands that it is better for a man to stay at the roof top than bear a nagging wife?
Yes, because the bible also states that.

lastly which would be a better news?

a man beats an unfaithful wife to death.

a woman stabbed a cheating husband to death

a court granted a man/woman appeal for divorce.

you decide.

before you quoted me,i hope you read where i wrote"jesus has amended the law(the law given to moses by God)...read the new testament...

Maccoy1:
before you quoted me,i hope you read where i wrote"jesus has amended the law(the law given to moses by God)...read the new testament...

this is what Jesus said
Mathew 19;9
and I say unto you, whosoever shall put away
his wife, EXCEPT IT BE FORNICATION, and
shall marry another committed adultery, and
whoso marrieth her which is put away doth
commit adultery.

Dheartless:

this is what Jesus said
Mathew 19;9
and I say unto you, whosoever shall put away
his wife, EXCEPT IT BE FORNICATION, and
shall marry another committed adultery, and
whoso marrieth her which is put away doth
commit adultery.

i bet you thr is no sin that's unforgiveable, remember jesus said if ur brother offends you, you have to forgive him/her 70x7..as a true beliver if you've really forgiven him/her you have to take her back....

I think apostle paul also wrote that you can divorce an unbelieving spouse. Correct me if i'm wrong,thanks

okotv:
What type of marriages do you guys get into today. I would never get into that situation.

Lols

Strange things are happening

bukatyne:


Lols

Strange things are happening

I tell you. Things are getting worse. My pastor calls it the mystery of sin.