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Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 9:17am On Jun 04, 2015

MizJanet:
@bold , Jesus born by Mary is son of God NOT God. K

Dear one,You may want to try and explain that to the Jews:

"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:18.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Nobody: 9:27am On Jun 04, 2015

thorpido:
It's unproductive and does not in any way improve one spiritually,so I've never said it.
We pray in the Name of Jesus and He is the one to be hailed.

What is the difference from calling Mary or Jesus? Has anyone of them answered you before? Be honest!

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by OkuDiOver1(f): 9:54am On Jun 04, 2015

thorpido:
It's unproductive and does not in any way improve one spiritually,so I've never said it.
We pray in the Name of Jesus and He is the one to be hailed.

well to me and i know to other Catholics, its very productive and it improves us spiritually especially the sorrowful mystery. I pray everyday for the grace to be consistent in praying the rosary. It has really helped me in many ways. So kind sir just say you dont pray it because you dont believe in it but not that its not productive.

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Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 10:14am On Jun 04, 2015

OkuDiOver1:
well to me and i know to other Catholics, its very productive and it improves us spiritually especially the sorrowful mystery. I pray everyday for the grace to be consistent in praying the rosary. It has really helped me in many ways. So kind sir just say you dont pray it because you dont believe in it but not that its not productive.

Nne jisie ike biko, Oku di over walahi. All they need is "taste and see".

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by thorpido(m): 10:49am On Jun 04, 2015

Ask yourself if people around you believe you or not?That should answer your question.

ifeness:
What is the difference from calling Mary or Jesus? Has anyone of them answered you before? Be honest!

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by MizJanet(f): 10:51am On Jun 04, 2015

Syncan:
Dear one,You may want to try and explain that to the Jews:

"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:18.

Lolsssss , i know you agree with the jews , so we can arrive at two conclusion from the bible verse you quote above

1) Jesus broke the sabath.

2) since Jesus calling God his Father make him equal to God, all xtians that call God their own father are also automatically equal to God.

Nice reasoning from the jews cheesy

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by MizJanet(f): 10:56am On Jun 04, 2015

johnw74:
You have little to no understanding

God has satan blind those who love a lie
God Himself blinds those who hate truth
look up the verses.

I asked you a simple question, you are beating around the bush and to make it worse you start contradicting youself.

Religion fooling its followers since time immemorial

grin

which church is your own ? Confuse bunch

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by thorpido(m): 10:56am On Jun 04, 2015*

OkuDiOver1:
well to me and i know to other Catholics, its very productive and it improves us spiritually especially the sorrowful mystery. I pray everyday for the grace to be consistent in praying the rosary. It has really helped me in many ways. So kind sir just say you dont pray it because you dont believe in it but not that its not productive.

There are people who go somewhere and start throwing stones at a structure saying they are stoning satan.How come satan still roams around despite all the stoning all these years?
That something feels good doesn't make it of spiritual significance.

Mary is not in a position to hear or answer prayers and the bible doesn't show otherwise.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by MizJanet(f): 10:57am On Jun 04, 2015

johnw74:
You have little to no understanding

God has satan blind those who love a lie
God Himself blinds those who hate truth
look up the verses.

I asked you a simple question, you are beating around the bush and to make it worse you start contradicting youself.

Religion fooling its followers since time immemorial

grin

which church is your own ? Confuse bunch

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 11:07am On Jun 04, 2015

MizJanet:
Lolsssss , i know you agree with the jews , so we can arrive at two conclusion from the bible verse you quote above

1) Jesus broke the sabath.

2) since Jesus calling God his Father make him equal to God, all xtians that call God their own father are also automatically equal to God.

Nice reasoning from the jews

Dear one,

1) Yes Jesus did break the Sabbath according to the dictates of their laws, but Jesus is Lord even of the Sabbath and enlightened them on the spirit of the law.

2). Please do not argue for arguing sake, you know that the Jews were not referring to Jesus Calling God His father, just like Christians call God their father, because even Christians call Jesus "Son of God" not in the same way as they are "sons and daughters of God". We need to be truthful.

The Jews had no problem with reasoning, they were wise people and they know what they were talking about. You don't have to ridicule their reasoning just because you want to stick to an error.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Nobody: 11:19am On Jun 04, 2015

thorpido:
Ask yourself if people around you believe you or not?That should answer your question.

I asked someone around me,he said "that story was meant for Africans"

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 11:31am On Jun 04, 2015

Syncan:
Hahahaha, Can't you see how trying to deny what God has given her is making you stumble and somersault? Just hear yourself, she is the mother of the "son of God"

Yes she is the Mother of the Son of God.
Luk_1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

then you split the son of God into two, "flesh of Jesus" and "spirit which is God the word",
hahahaha, can someone be the mother of a flesh? A flesh without life (dead meat) abi or what? Is your mother just the mother of your flesh?

Jesus flesh was from God and Mary, His parents, the same as any childs flesh is from their parents. God gives the spirit, in Jesus case it was the Spirit of God.

Question: In her womb, was Jesus God?

Jesus the Son of Mary is God.

He is God, and He is the Son of God, and you didn't understand anything I said.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 11:41am On Jun 04, 2015

MizJanet:
I asked you a simple question, you are beating around the bush and to make it worse you start contradicting youself.

Religion fooling its followers since time immemorial

which church is your own ? Confuse bunch

Not beating around the bush, I told you I don't cast pearls before swine
as far as contradicting myself goes, show me where? I can make mistakes,
but of course it's bound to be just continuation of your big mouthing-bad mouthing.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 11:52am On Jun 04, 2015

johnw74:
Yes she is the Mother of the Son of God.
Luk_1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Jesus flesh was from God and Mary, His parents, the same as any childs flesh is from their parents. God gives the spirit, in Jesus case it was the Spirit of God.

He is God, and He is the Son of God, and you didn't understand anything I said.

1."For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". Is.9:6.

2.I don't know what you're running round and round about. That your mother is the mother of your flesh and did not give birth to you; body, soul and spirit? This is ridiculous to say the least. So now God made the spirit but your mother (and not God) made the flesh?

3.As long as the bold is true, then Jesus the son of Mary is God. That makes Mary the one who bore God in her womb. That makes Mary the one who gave birth to God " And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. Matt.2:11. That Makes Mary the mother of God in English language.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by thorpido(m): 12:00pm On Jun 04, 2015

ifeness:
I asked someone around me,he said "that story was meant for Africans"

The joke is on you.It's obvious the person you asked must be wondering what kind of answer to give you. cheesy

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by kolajamesjnr(m): 12:16pm On Jun 04, 2015

Blakjewelry:
I do most times when I play 2pac hail mary

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 12:44pm On Jun 04, 2015*

Syncan:
1."For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". Is.9:6.

2.I don't know what you're running round and round about. That your mother is the mother of your flesh and did not give birth to you; body, soul and spirit? This is ridiculous to say the least. So now God made the spirit but your mother (and not God) made the flesh?

You don't understand what is said and you even misquote what is said,
how can you learn anything that way?

johnw74: Jesus flesh was from God and Mary, His parents, the same as any child's flesh is from their parents....

3.As long as the bold is true, then Jesus the son of Mary is God. That makes Mary the one who bore God in her womb. That makes Mary the one who gave birth to God " And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. Matt.2:11. That Makes Mary the mother of God in English language.

That makes Mary the Mother of the Son of God, just like the scriptures say
God was never born.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Word became flesh ...

God Fathered Jesus, that makes Jesus the Son of God
Mary gave birth to the son of God just as scriptures say.

You cannot understand how Jesus can be God, and the Son of God,
hint: it's something to do with the diffrence between Spirit and flesh,
Word of God = Spirit
Son of God = flesh.
Mary didn't give birth to the Word of God did she.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Rilwon: 1:21pm On Jun 04, 2015

Anas09:
ChristiaNs don't pray hail mary, Catholics do. And Catholics are hardly christians. They oppose every godly (Biblical) doctrin. The queen of heaven which is mary(of the catholic not the mother of Jesus) is a demon. Jere 7:18. Stop your idolatry. Repent and accept Jesus. You can't stand the anger of God.

Utter nonsense,

what makes you think you are better than them?

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 2:13pm On Jun 04, 2015

johnw74:
You don't understand what is said and you even misquote what is said,
how can you learn anything that way?

That makes Mary the Mother of the Son of God, just like the scriptures say
God was never born.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Word became flesh ...

God Fathered Jesus, that makes Jesus the Son of God
Mary gave birth to the son of God just as scriptures say.

You cannot understand how Jesus can be God, and the Son of God,
hint: it's something to do with the diffrence between Spirit and flesh,
Word of God = Spirit
Son of God = flesh.
Mary didn't give birth to the Word of God did she.

Hahahaha.

1. I did not misquote you, I quoted you correctly, just added emphasis to show how ridiculous your claims are. Can't you see you're the one failing to learn and still rude while at it?

2. If Mary bore God in her womb after the overshadow of the Holy spirit, and gave birth to God; who was worshiped by the wise men, then God was born in Bethlehem by Mary.

3. Mary gave birth to the Mighty God just as scripture says. Is 9:6., why are you disputing it?

4. Jesus is the Son of God and He is God, Jesus is the word of God and the word of God is God. Both statements are scriptural, hence Jesus is God. Mary is his Mother, hence Mary is the mother of Jesus who is God. Mary is the mother of God. It is embedded in it's entirety in scripture. Your nonsense about flesh and spirit is horrendous. Your mother gave birth to you a man. A man is made of flesh and spirit. She did not give birth to flesh and another person the spirit. In her womb you were a living being, made up of flesh and spirit. So also was Jesus in Mary's womb, He was everything that He is, both human and God in her womb. Do not deny her a privilege God gave her, if God decided to dwell in her womb, why are you quarreling with that?

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Ubenedictus(m): 2:36pm On Jun 04, 2015

thorpido:
There are people who go somewhere and start throwing stones at a structure saying they are stoning satan.How come satan still roams around despite all the stoning all these years?
That something feels good doesn't make it of spiritual significance.

Mary is not in a position to hear or answer prayers and the bible doesn't show otherwise.

logical falacy.
Arguement from silience.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Nobody: 3:16pm On Jun 04, 2015

thorpido:
The joke is on you.It's obvious the person you asked must be wondering what kind of answer to give you.

You wanted me to ask,which I did.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Empredboy(m): 5:44pm On Jun 04, 2015

Anas09:
I thought you were going to past a passage of the scripture that enjoin the christians to pay alligience to her. Catholic church is Babylon the great. The harlot spoken of by John in revelation.
The Premadona(queen of heaven) the Catholics worship is a demon, period. Catholic church in trying to stop true christianity Raised Islam to help them stampede christianity. They made mohammed to eradicate other idols and elevate his family idol has the supreme to stand at par with the Catholic god, but satan their master had his own plans.
Check Islam, hinduism and Catholic church. The same pattern of counting beats and chanting to their idols.

how did u know?

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 12:20am On Jun 05, 2015

Syncan:
Hahahaha.

1. I did not misquote you, I quoted you correctly,

You are as blind as they come, for the third and last time,
here is one of your misquotes:

Syncan: So now God made the spirit but your mother (and not God) made the flesh?

johnw74: Jesus flesh was from God and Mary, His parents, the same as any child's flesh is from their parents....

You don't understand what is said, you misquote, and you go around and around in circles.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 2:13am On Jun 05, 2015

Syncan:
This is scripture.
Hence:

"Hail (Mary), full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (Jesus) " is scriptural.

It's funny how RC's pray to the dead Saints who are awaiting the resurrection.
Christians with the Holy Spirit pray directly to God.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 2:23am On Jun 05, 2015

Syncan:
Dear one,

To an atheist he says "Dear one,"
similar spirits perhaps.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by btoks: 3:19am On Jun 05, 2015

johnw74:
That makes Mary the Mother of the Son of God, just like the scriptures say
God was never born.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Word became flesh ...

God Fathered Jesus, that makes Jesus the Son of God
Mary gave birth to the son of God just as scriptures say.

You cannot understand how Jesus can be God, and the Son of God,
hint: it's something to do with the diffrence between Spirit and flesh,
Word of God = Spirit
Son of God = flesh.
Mary didn't give birth to the Word of God did she.

Brother,this heresy was addressed way back in 431AD at the council of Ephesus. Please check wiki link - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Ephesus.
The Nestorian heresy was trying to state that Jesus was 2 persons as you're inadvertently doing. In essence,this was why Mary was defined as Mother of God(Jesus being 1 person both fully God and fully Man)
It's easy to quote scriptures but some mysteries are hard to understand without the church's guidance.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 3:56am On Jun 05, 2015

btoks:
Brother,this heresy was addressed way back in 431AD at the council of Ephesus. Please check wiki link - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Ephesus.
The Nestorian heresy was trying to state that Jesus was 2 persons as you're inadvertently doing.

I don't say Jesus is two persons, RC apparently have trouble understanding.

In essence,this was why Mary was defined as Mother of God(Jesus being 1 person both fully God and fully Man)
It's easy to quote scriptures but some mysteries are hard to understand without the church's guidance.

without the RCC guidance, now that is funny,
scriptures are not only easy to quote, they are easy to believe,
the RCC is one of the last places I would go to get enlightenment on scriptures.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 5:13am On Jun 05, 2015

Here are just a few of the many heresies of the RCC

1. The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus
(and is not Biblical)

2. The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church.
Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshiped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

3. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans
The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

4. The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin.
Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.

5. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III
By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ

6. The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius
So the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel.

7. The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia

8. The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk
It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin.

9. In the year 1931 pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God"
This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431
(and is not Biblical)

There are many many more.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by johnw74: 6:13am On Jun 05, 2015

Speaking of rc:
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 6:39am On Jun 05, 2015

johnw74:
You are as blind as they come, for the third and last time,
here is one of your misquotes:

You don't understand what is said, you misquote, and you go around and around in circles.

Inspite of your rudeness, I'm determine to expose your Ignorance and deceit. Yes I stated that point in bracket to expose the stupidity in your post. You keep using "Son of God" as separate from "God" as if Son of God is a nature in its self. So you are "son of man" and not "man" since your parents only gave you the flesh abi? Your argument reminds me of the saying that "a lunatic indeed goes along comfortably with his thoughts", Yet he is seen by the populace as making no sense. You kept avoiding the scriptures I lay bare in front of you and continue chasing shadows, the Son of the Virgin is called "Mighty God" by Isaiah and you're here telling me she is not the Mother of God. It doesn't matter how much you shout a stupid sentence, it doesn't give it sense.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 6:50am On Jun 05, 2015

johnw74:
It's funny how RC's pray to the dead Saints who are awaiting the resurrection.
Christians with the Holy Spirit pray directly to God.

Wow! I quoted scripture (Lk1:28,42) once again he avoids it to chase shadows. I took on you because of the arrogance in your response on this thread, yet behind that arrogance is a massive ignorance of scripture. Be humble and learn. God bless you.

Re: When Last Did You Say The Hail Mary As A Christian by Syncan(m): 7:02am On Jun 05, 2015

johnw74:
To an atheist he says "Dear one,"
similar spirits perhaps.

Did i not say you are ignorant of scriptures?

"When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" Matt. 9:11.

Mr Pharisee, is your question not the same as your fore fathers asked earlier? You may go now to that scripture and see the reply of the Master.

And to you o Pharisee, the master has one word for you....Hypocrite! Matt. 23:13

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