KellamLeTorneau:
Tell me one single war Muhammad fought that wasn't out of necessity, or self defense.

See silly excuse, ALL THE DISCIPLES and Early Christians were persecuted YET they didn't FIGHT FOR self-defense.

Read the parts in bold, your claims say until they acknowledge islam and the verse you brought as proof says until they pay Jizya, see how confused or rather blind you are?

Are you asking question for putting QUESTION MARK at the end of that statement
Beside, you lack undrrstanding of simple English.

The last time I check to acknowledge can mean to declare one's belief in; as, to acknowledge the being of a God

So the command of Allah to Muhammad is what Mr?

Read it again: "FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN Allah, nor the LATTER DAY, nor do they prohibit what Allah and his Apostle prohibited, nor FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, out of those who have been given the the Book, UNTIL they pay tax in acknowledgment of superiority AND they are in the state of SUBJECTION"

Yes, and Allah does not contradict himself.

Because you still want to defend your false Qur'an if not this is a plain contradiction, mind you I'm not even talking about contradiction here but to let you know that Allah knows that there should be NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION but still went ahead commanding Muhammad to FORCIBLY CONVERT PEOPLE INTO Islam. Which trashed any meaning Muslims can apply to that S. 2:256

Emusan:


See silly excuse, ALL THE DISCIPLES and Early Christians were persecuted YET they didn't FIGHT FOR self-defense.

Neither did the muslims at first. First muslims were ordered to my migrate, then the mekkans tried to turn every muslim sympathizer against them, including a christian King that gave the muslims safe haven, then they followed them to where they were and wanted to finish them, then God ordered them to defend themselves. What's so silly about this? What's so silly about asking where the prophet killed anyone unjustly? Get a grip?

Are you asking question for putting QUESTION MARK at the end of that statement
Beside, you lack undrrstanding of simple English.

Look who's talking, but like I always have, I will bring facts to back up this claim.

The last time I check to acknowledge can mean to declare one's belief in; as, to acknowledge the being of a God

Acknowledgement of superiority as used i. The verse to your deluded mind means to acknowledge a god? Where did the verse mention the non Muslims acknowledging muslim God after you fight them? Don't twist words mate. If I say I acknowledge Real Madrid is superior arsenal, does that mean I'm talking about God? Lol! You and your buffoonery. The verse says until and they pay Jizya and acknowledge superiority. Superiority here obviously as any sane person will view it is physical.

So the command of Allah to Muhammad is what Mr?

Read it again: "FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN Allah, nor the LATTER DAY, nor do they prohibit what Allah and his Apostle prohibited, nor FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, out of those who have been given the the Book, UNTIL they pay tax in acknowledgment of superiority AND they are in the state of SUBJECTION"



Because you still want to defend your false Qur'an if not this is a plain contradiction, mind you I'm not even talking about contradiction here but to let you know that Allah knows that there should be NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION but still went ahead commanding Muhammad to FORCIBLY CONVERT PEOPLE INTO Islam. Which trashed any meaning Muslims can apply to that S. 2:256

Again you have refused to show me where or how the verse says to convert people by force. It says fight until until they pay tax/Jizya, did it say until they become muslims? You don't even know what you're arguing about.

KellamLeTorneau:
Neither did the muslims at first. First muslims were ordered to my migrate, then the mekkans tried to turn every muslim sympathizer against them, including a christian King that gave the muslims safe haven, then they followed them to where they were and wanted to finish them, then God ordered them to defend themselves. What's so silly about this? What's so silly about asking where the prophet killed anyone unjustly? Get a grip?

Lol...do you even know that what they did to Jesus' disciples and the early Christians half of it were not done to Muhammad? YET God didn't tell them to fight for their defence.

Jesus said to his disciples "if they persecute you in one city flee to another...", "...PRAY for them who despitefully use you, and PERSECUTED you"

Can you compare this with Allah's decision?

Look who's talking, but like I always have, I will bring facts to back up this claim.

Can someone help me interpret this

Acknowledgement of superiority as used i. The verse to your deluded mind means to acknowledge a god?

But fight those who do not believe in Allah is not to acknowledge Allah is to praise Jesus.

Where did the verse mention the non Muslims acknowledging muslim God after you fight them? Don't twist words mate. If I say I acknowledge Real Madrid is superior arsenal, does that mean I'm talking about God?

See how you just wasted the money...

Does Real Madrid and Arsenal relate to God? We're talking about your false Qur'an here.

Lol! You and your buffoonery. The verse says until and they pay Jizya and acknowledge superiority. Superiority here obviously as any sane person will view it is physical.

Again you have refused to show me where or how the verse says to convert people by force. It says fight until until they pay tax/Jizya, did it say until they become muslims? You don't even know what you're arguing about.

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah,...nor follow the religion of truth" what does it mean?

" .. in 1396, Richard II of England was joined in marriage to young Isabel of France, who had been 7 years old when their engagement was announced the previous year in Paris. Not only was there no uproar; there was considerable happiness expressed over the assumed probability that this marriage would end the Hundred Years War then in one of its periodic states of truce between the two kingdoms. Peace was to be ensured by joining together this man and this little girl in marriage.

Bianca of Savoy, Duchess of Milan was married aged 13 (1350), and aged 14 when she gave birth to her eldest son, Giangaleazzo (1351).

Theodora Comnena was aged 13 when she was married King Baldwin III of Jerusalem (1158).

Agnes of France was 12 when, widowed, she was married to Andronicus Comnenus, Byzantine Emperor (1182).

St Elizabeth of Portugal was aged 12 when she was married to King Denis of Portugal and gave birth to three children shortly thereafter.

Caterina Sforza was betrothed aged 9, married aged 14, and gave birth aged 15.

Lucrezia Borgia was married to her first husband aged 13 and bore a son within a few years.

Mary became pregnant with jesus at the age of 12, around the same perspire she was betrothed to Joseph.

Further proof of its acceptability is the fact that the marriage is the fathers idea, no one thought of such marriage as a taboo. Not even Muhammads enemies used it against him.

As a christian, what determines a woman's readiness for marriage, sexual maturity or age? Bear In mind God gave order to the universe.


But he was the best man of his time was he not?


Christ or the disciples? And what did they say?



Your point is?


Again, based on the evidence I provided earlier I beg to differ.

t Aha! But then if the law of Moses allows polygamy you must agree with it or you're going against the wishes of jesus.

17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…Matthew 5:17



Oh please, the most terrible of wars were fought by christians. War is more rampant amongst christians than muslims.

The lord is a man of war, the lord is his name. Exodus 15:3

so, those people u quoted marrying children were muhammed examples?

Jesus says 'I am the Way, the Truth and Life, no man comes to The Father but by Me' . So what Moses,david , Solomon, etc did are not really relevant now. If you ever wish to go to heaven, where God is, and where Christ promises that in 'My Father house' where there will be no sin, accept Jesus as your Savior, no more i never heard!

The age of Mary is not given in the Bible, if you can give me the verse, not outside the Bible, i will appreciate it. I need you to quote the law of Moses that says thou shalt marry more than one wife. Do you know how Jesus was stern on divorse and remarry? Muhammed with the assistance of Allah endorse it.

Jesus says 'you have heard by them of old, thou shalt hate your enemy and love your friend, BUT I SAY UNTO YOU LOVE YOUR ENEMIES...'. Read Matthew 5 to 7, from there, you can see example of how Christ explains and fulfils the law of Moses. Stop turning the Bible upside down.
Does it mean quran alone is not enough to prove muhammed prophethood? Y don't you go and meet ur brothers bombing each day, and preach muhammed peaceful ways to them, or is there war goin on among the Christian faith now, as we have among and within Islamic countries? Y don't you take this knowledge of yours to the terrorist and make them follow muhammed way of peace, so they can be at peace with each other and non-muslims?

Lilimax:
Akuko n'egwu!
Mohammed is existing in your imagination and not in the Bible.

No mind them... na so them tAke dey look for Wetin dem no kiip...


Ndi iberibe...



Help check my signatory dear...

Nonsense!!!

alansary0064:
PROPHET MUHAMMAD (pbuh) IN THE BIBLE
by Dr. Zakir Naik
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament:
The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7
verse 157:
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered
Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own
(scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".
1. MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK
OF DEUTERONOMY:
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of
Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their
brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in
his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all
that I shall command him."
The Christians say that this prophecy refers to
Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like
Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well
as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a
Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.
If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy
to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible
who came after
Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel,
Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist,
etc. (pbut) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well
as prophets.
However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is
like Moses (pbuh):
i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus
(pbuh) was born miraculously without any male
intervention.
[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an
3:42-47]
ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh)
according to the Bible did not marry nor had
children.
iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been
raised up alive. (4:157-158)
Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of
Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews.
Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac
(pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail
(pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac
(pbuh).
Words in the mouth:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and
whatever revelations he received from Almighty
God he repeated them verbatim.
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their
brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in
his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that
I shall command him."
[Deuteronomy 18:18]
iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e.
they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus
(pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this
world." (John 18:36).
v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in
their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by
his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came
unto his own, but his own received him not."
iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for
their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible
did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).
2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy
chapter 18:19
"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will
not harken unto my words which he shall speak
in my name, I will require it of him."
3. Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of
Isaiah:
It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29
verse 12:
"And the book is delivered to him that is not
learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he
saith, I am not learned."
When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad
(pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am
not learned".
4. prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in
the old testament:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by
name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
" Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim
Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."
"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether
lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend,
O daughters
of Jerusalem."
In the Hebrew language im is added for respect.
Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet
Muhammad
(pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English
translation they have even translated the name of
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether
lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the
name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet
present.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New
Testament:
Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O
Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah
(sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came)
before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger
to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.'
But when he came to them with clear signs, they
said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
All the prophecies mentioned in the Old
Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides
applying to the Jews also hold good for the
Christians.
1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you
another Comforter, that he may abide with you
forever."
2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will
send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of
truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of
me."
3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient
for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the
Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him
unto you".
"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who
praises" or "the praised one" is almost the
translation of the
Greek word Periclytos . In the Gospel of John
14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is
used in the English translation for the Greek
word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind
friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos .
Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by
name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh)
who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter
mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy
Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus
(pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible
states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before
and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb
of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was
being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to
none other than Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).
4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye
cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the
Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall
not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall
hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you
things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy
referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh)
NOTE : All quotations of the Bible are taken from
the King James Version.

Op...


Did Jesus experience death and was raised after that or he was taken up to heaven without experiencing death

http://time.com/6662/the-mystery-of-the-bibles-phantom-camels/

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/20/world/meast/do-camel-bones-discredit-the-bible/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2551511/Do-camels-prove-Bible-INACCURATE-Archaeologists-reveal-mammals-domesticated-900BC-centuries-Biblical-characters-rode-them.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/02/140210-domesticated-camels-israel-bible-archaeology-science/

About the camels, read any of the articles above.

Various articles have been written about the study carried out by university of tel aviv, which used camel bones to date the earliest time camels were in that part of the world. They conducted their research and concluded the earliest time as 900BC, long after the bible claims in some verses that certain people rode them as seen below.

Genesis 37:25 'Then they sat down to eat a meal. And as they raised their eyes and looked, behold, a caravan of Ishmaelites was coming from Gilead, with their camels bearing aromatic gum and balm and myrrh, on their way to bring them down to Egypt.'
Genesis 24:10 'Then he loaded ten of Abraham’s camels with all kinds of expensive gifts from his master, and he traveled to distant Aram-naharaim.'
Genesis 24:61 'Then Rebekah arose with her maids, and they mounted the camels and followed the man. So the servant took Rebekah and departed.'
Source: KnowingJesus.com


This research was was conducted by non muslims. This further re asserts the claims by modern historians that the bible has been tampered with and that its some contents aren't as old or original as claimed.


About the contradictions between teachings of Paul and jesus, I'll give you one example.

Jesus said, he did not come to abolish the laws of past prophets but to confirm every single letter of them till the end of time. In the book of Matthew if I'm not mistaken.

But apparently, due to Paul's inventions, christians dis regard the law of Moses. This can also be seen in the fact that jesus obviously a Jew, he supports circumcision and was circumcised. Also the fact that the don't eat pork but christians do, or the fact that your bible clearly forbids shell fish but christians gobble the heck out of these things. The Torah was a book of laws, the bible has no laws but as the bible says, it confirms the laws of the Torah. I.e its law was to follow that of the Torah .So if christians these days don't follow the bible or its laws , they don't follow the laws of God but that of man, it's evident in the way christians are becoming more tolerant of adultery faggotry and other heinous acts, because the laws of man are flexible, but that Of God is rigid. You may claim to be against them now, but seeing as the crusaders who brought the religion to you are starting to become the opposite of what they sold to you, it won't be long before you follow suit.

For the records, when Jesus said He didn't come to abolish the Law, He was talking about the Decalogue not some ceremonial laws or that that concerns foods and drinks. Didn't Jesus Himself say, what you put into your mouth is not what makes you unclean but what comes from your inner mind?
Paul was refering to ceremonial laws-which have been nailed to the cross by virtue of Jesus death- while Jesus was talking about upholding the Law- the moral law and 10 commandment.
While eating pork is not a sin under grace, murder is. See the difference? Paul never contradicts Jesus.

Urge these to be calm and let allah fight if he can.

RapLawd:




Op...


Did Jesus experience death and was raised after that or he was taken up to heaven without experiencing death

abi, d op should answer.

RapLawd:




Op...


Did Jesus experience death and was raised after that or he was taken up to heaven without experiencing death

do you mind them? No sane human will claim that muhammed exists in the Bible. Jesus says the comforter is the Holy Ghost, yet they keep trying to force muhammed to fit in. The same john wrote that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and Life, they don't believe that.

For instance, I don't believe a single word from the quran! It is 100% lies!! And Satan is the father of lie as Jesus says.

Ovacoma:

no sane human will claim that muha exist in the Bible. Jesus says the comforter is the Holy Ghost, yet they keep trying to force muhammed to fit in. The same john wrote that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and Life, they don't believe that.

For instance, I don't believe a single word from the quran! It is 100% lies!! And Satan is the father of lie as Jesus says.

The worst case is that most of them don't get to read Koran in their own language or dialect for Better understanding, instead, they prefer the indomie hair man's language...

Quoting Deut 18:18 and twisting it to be refering to Mohammed

Can we now agree that that chapter has never been altered as usually claimed by our Moslem brothers?
If you agree, now go to verse 20 of that chapter
"but the Prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, that prophet shall die"

Now read Mohammed's own confession:
"I have fabricated things against God and have inputed to Him words which He has not spoken"~Mohammed [Al-Tabari 6:111]

You must be ready to accept that Mohammed is aa fake prophet according to Bible standard.
Stop picking and choosing the texts that make you feel best.

RapLawd:



The worst case is that most of them don't get to read Koran in their own language or dialect for Better understanding, instead, they prefer the indomie hair man's language...

they usually go and copy what some blind and derailed man wrote, then come here to paste without any understanding of what they are copying and pasting. God will deliver them.

otr1:
Quoting Deut 18:18 and twisting it to be refering to Mohammed

Can we now agree that that chapter has never been altered as usually claimed by our Moslem brothers?
If you agree, now go to verse 20 of that chapter
"but the Prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, that prophet shall die"

Now read Mohammed's own confession:
"I have fabricated things against God and have inputed to Him words which He has not spoken"~Mohammed [Al-Tabari 6:111]

You must be ready to accept that Mohammed is aa fake prophet according to Bible standard.
Stop picking and choosing the texts that make you feel best.

no single verse in the Bible points to this self acclaimed prophet, yet, to get legitimacy, some mentally challenge people say muha is all over the Bible. He was rejected by the Jews because of the introduction of a strange god to them. God had already commanded them to reject such false prophet that introduce them to any other gods. This is y muhammed was rejected, and he began to kill them, if he was from the same God of the Jews, he will not be slaughtering them and also command his followers to do the same, which they are doing today. Jesus was crucified by the Jews, yet, he didn't even threaten them or ask his followers to be killing them when they could. Many Jewish prophets were persecuted by the Jews, none of them formed an army and began killing the Jews. Aren't the Muslims tired of peddling lies to promote muhammed who was just an original false prophet? Do we need much arguments like these before we can believe this prophet of allah?

Ovacoma:

no single verse in the Bible points to this self acclaimed prophet, yet, to get legitimacy, some mentally challenge people say muha is all over the Bible. He was rejected by the Jews because of the introduction of a strange god to them. God had already commanded them to reject such false prophet that introduce them to any other gods. This is y muhammed was rejected, and he began to kill them, if he was from the same God of the Jews, he will not be slaughtering them and also command his followers to do the same, which they are doing today. Jesus was crucified by the Jews, yet, he didn't even threaten them or ask his followers to be killing them when they could. Many Jewish prophets were persecuted by the Jews, none of them formed an army and began killing the Jews. Aren't the Muslims tired of peddling lies to promote muhammed who was just an original false prophet? Do we need much arguments like these before we can believe this prophet of allah?

That Al Tabari verse I quoted earlier is enough not to take Mohammed and his words seroiusly.
Let them continue, but I've said my own.

Emusan:


Accept your point that?

That ishmaelite today are blessed, fertile and multiplying him exceedingly ., AND THEY ARE GREAT NATION.....
For what great nation is THERE that has gods so close to it as the LORD, our God, is to us whenever we call upon him? Deut 4:7

Proffdada:
what comes first? truth or lie

Of course the former.

Rilwon:


That ishmaelite today are blessed, fertile and multiplying him exceedingly ., AND THEY ARE GREAT NATION.....
For what great nation is THERE that has gods so close to it as the LORD, our God, is to us whenever we call upon him? Deut 4:7

pathetic!

Ovacoma:
pathetic!

Way over your head, isn't it?

Rilwon:


Way over your head, isn't it?

it is unbelievable to see blessed people daily soaking themselves in blood. Perhaps, you mean cursed people. Middle east should be the most peaceful region in the world ,but d reverse is d case as majority of the inhabitants are cursed.

Rilwon:


Of course the former.

Christianity came before the corruption called Islam

Proffdada:
Christianity came before the corruption called Islam

I believe you didn't reason well before making the above post. Now, if we are to follow your logic above, judaism also came before the corruption called xtianity.

Rilwon:


I believe you didn't reason well before making the above post. Now, if we are to follow your logic above, judaism also came before the corruption called xtianity.

Judaism is adjacent to Christianity, Islam is parallel

Proffdada:
Judaism is adjacent to Christianity, Islam is parallel

Lol. Indeed, you are confuse. Judaism came first, which by your logic earlier, it is the TRUE, any other thing aside what came first, whether adjacent or parallel is false. I see no reason for christianity again since you claim Judaism is TRUE.

Rilwon:


Lol. Indeed, you are confuse. Judaism came first, which by your logic earlier, it is the TRUE, any other thing aside what came first, whether adjacent or parallel is false. I see no reason for christianity again since you claim Judaism is TRUE.

christianity IS Judaism after Christ, Islam is a corruption of Christianity

Proffdada:
christianity IS Judaism after Christ, Islam is a corruption of Christianity

Whichever name you choose to call it is your problem not mine.

Now, judaism came first which is supposed to be TRUE according to your logic that True came before falsehood. judaism after christ came after pure judaism, that makes it FALSE.

Islam as you claimed is a corruption of xtianity, while xtianity is a corruption of judaism. Therefore, the onus is on you to prove to us that pure Judiasm is FALSE, and your judaism after christ is the true one, because both cannot be true at the same time.

Rilwon:


Whichever name you choose to call it is your problem not mine.

Now, judaism came first which is supposed to be TRUE according to your logic that True came before falsehood. judaism after christ came after pure judaism, that makes it FALSE.

Islam as you claimed is a corruption of xtianity, while xtianity is a corruption of judaism. Therefore, the onus is on you to prove to us that pure Judiasm is FALSE, and your judaism after christ is the true one, because both cannot be true at the same time.

Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism

Proffdada:
Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism

Does the jews acknowledge the above point? Did they abandon judaism for christianity if truly it came to fulfil it?

Rilwon:


Does the jews acknowledge the above point? Did they abandon judaism for christianity if truly it came to fulfil it?

the birth of Jesus, the death, and resurrection of Jesus are predicted accurately in the Jewish book. Jesus quoted from all the five books of Moses, the psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah and many more. The first Christians were Jews, all the books of the Bible were written by Jews. When Jesus taught he explains what the law really meant, away from what the scribes and d pharisees were teaching and practising. Besides, God had revealed through his prophet that he would make a new covenant with the children of Israel in Jeremiah 31:31. So, if the majority of the Jews didn't accept Christ doesn't make the new covenant a corrupt one.
When a woman caught in an adultery was brought to Christ, Jesus never said they shouldn't apply Moses law, He just asked them to stone her if they were qualified to carry out the judgement. They all ran away! That is d fulfilment of law.
Jews asked Jesus questions and he replied, please, read Mark 12: 28-34, u will find out that Christ came to fulfil the law and that Christianity is never antijudaism, but its fulfilment. Have you ever read Jesus disciples killing the Jews? Don't quote political war of Hitler here. He never fought to propagate Christianity as muhamed did to propagate his islam.
As said by another person above, Islam is parallel to either Judaism or Christianity, that is y muhammed killed many Jews and Christians when he couldn't convince them to serve his allah.

Ovacoma:

the birth of Jesus, the death, and resurrection of Jesus are predicted accurately in the Jewish book.

Quote them out and lets analysis them one after the other. Secondly, why is that most jews don't believe him still if truly it is predicted accurately? what are their objections to these predictions?

Jesus quoted from all the five books of Moses, the psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah and many more.

Books of moses or books attributed to moses?

The first Christians were Jews, all the books of the Bible were written by Jews.

Is paul included?

When Jesus taught he explains what the law really meant, away from what the scribes and d pharisees were teaching and practising.

What were they teaching (not practsing) that was different from what was written in their books?

Besides, God had revealed through his prophet that he would make a new covenant with the children of Israel in Jeremiah 31:31.

What is this covenant? to die on the cross? I believe the preceeding verse of this verse is against you.

Now, Proffdada said, what came first is TRUE while anything after that us false, this NEW covenant according to him is false don't you think?

So, if the majority of the Jews didn't accept Christ doesn't make the new covenant a corrupt one.

Perhaps they think this new covenant is a scam, if not they all ought to accept it, if truly they are reading the same book.

As said by another person above, Islam is parallel to either Judaism or Christianity.

You own your phone, type whatever you want.